Re: Wheat intolerance

[Guest guest]

At 07:56 AM 4/22/02 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Ok folks need your help.

>

>I gave up wheat about a month ago due to the thing called leaky gut.

>Well I got better and allergies did receed, as well as some of the other

>symptoms.

>I tried a rasian bread toast with butter last week and got a runny nose

>and allergy symptom right away.

>Today and as we speak after eating 6 small whole wheat fresh ground

>fermented pancakes with syrup and butter (all organic) I am a absolute

>mess..

>1 runny nose

>2 back ache

>3 headache

>4 blurred vision

>5 slowed motor controls

>6 numbness in my shoulders

>7 dull clouded thought process

>I had organic popcorn and butter last night with no ill effects, and I

>drink 1/2 gallon of raw milk a day with no effects as well as whey and

>cream cheese cheese (quark) now with no ill effect but when on wheat

>quark goes right through me.

>Does any body have any ideas whats up?

>Thanks for the help.

>Tim

>Clearview Acres

>

Hi Tim,

I get the blurred vision, slowed motor controls and clouded thought processes

from sugar. Got me thinking though as both the pancakes and syrup turn to

sugar. How do you make your quark?

Lactose for some reason is an acceptable sugar for me. Probably because of the

fat.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Tim,

Years ago I determined that I had gluten intolerance and stopped eating wheat

(and other gluten). I also had leaky gut and food allergies. I felt an

improvement right away. But, if I slipped and ate wheat, my symptoms came back

stronger than ever. Now after years of being relatively gluten free, I can eat a

little wheat with no adverse consequences, but if I eat it for two or more days,

I get symptoms.

I work with a lot of families who have autistic kids (who are frequently gluten

intolerant) and they have often said that if you go off wheat (gluten) and then

have some again, the intolerance (ie symptoms) are much worse than before you

went off the gluten.

Maybe your gut is not healed enough to tolerate the wheat yet.

Barb

Ok folks need your help.

I gave up wheat about a month ago due to the thing called leaky gut.

Well I got better and allergies did receed, as well as some of the other

symptoms.

I tried a rasian bread toast with butter last week and got a runny nose

and allergy symptom right away.

Today and as we speak after eating 6 small whole wheat fresh ground

fermented pancakes with syrup and butter (all organic) I am a absolute

mess..

1 runny nose

2 back ache

3 headache

4 blurred vision

5 slowed motor controls

6 numbness in my shoulders

7 dull clouded thought process

I had organic popcorn and butter last night with no ill effects, and I

drink 1/2 gallon of raw milk a day with no effects as well as whey and

cream cheese cheese (quark) now with no ill effect but when on wheat

quark goes right through me.

Does any body have any ideas whats up?

Thanks for the help.

Tim

Clearview Acres

[Guest guest]

Read the stuff at www.celiac.com. I have some good PDF's I've gleaned too,

if you would like them.

It's very scary and put me into depression for about a month. And caused me

to end up throwing out every packaged product in the house, learn to bake

gf bread, read NT, and totally change our lifestyle. But hey, you are

halfway there already! You already have your lifestlye changed.

On the up side, most of my nagging health problems (sinusitis, migraines,

arthritis, IBS) are GONE, and you can make pancakes just fine without wheat.

Basically if your gut reacts to gluten, then the villi " die " temporarily

(and permanently, if you ignore the problem long enough). Then you get

leaky gut and a LOT of other problems, and can't digest your food. It's

associated with lots of nerve problems, including the ones you mention,

plus MS, migraines, arthritis, etc. When your villi are reacting, you

usually can't digest milk products either. I does not matter if the gluten

is in a " natural " product or not, of if it is soaked, and for a lot of

people, a very tiny amount of flour contamination can cause 2 days of misery.

There IS a test for this, but it's rather inaccurate. It's worth getting in

that if you test positive, it gives you a firm diagnosis, but if you test

negative you may still have it.

-- Heidi

At 07:56 AM 4/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Ok folks need your help.

>

>I gave up wheat about a month ago due to the thing called leaky gut.

>Well I got better and allergies did receed, as well as some of the other

>symptoms.

>I tried a rasian bread toast with butter last week and got a runny nose

>and allergy symptom right away.

>Today and as we speak after eating 6 small whole wheat fresh ground

>fermented pancakes with syrup and butter (all organic) I am a absolute

>mess..

>1 runny nose

>2 back ache

>3 headache

>4 blurred vision

>5 slowed motor controls

>6 numbness in my shoulders

>7 dull clouded thought process

>I had organic popcorn and butter last night with no ill effects, and I

>drink 1/2 gallon of raw milk a day with no effects as well as whey and

>cream cheese cheese (quark) now with no ill effect but when on wheat

>quark goes right through me.

>Does any body have any ideas whats up?

>Thanks for the help.

>Tim

>Clearview Acres

>

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

Wanita

We make the quark by letting milk sit at room temp for 36 to 38 hours and then

strain it for twenty four in the fridge.

Then we add milk to it to thin it out and eat it with maple syrup, or fruit.

It use to bother me while eating wheat, now that I have quit wheat it doesn't

bother me.

Have you noticed that commercial flour is hard on you as well? or is it the

fresh

ground whole wheat that trips you off..

We don't have access around here to commercial flour but may try some to see if

the effects are the same.

What is the gluten test, and where can you get it, and how on earth does on

survive in this world without fresh ground whole wheat organic chocolate chip

cookies???

It is the only thing I miss that has chocolate in it.

But yesterday I did have half of an organic chocolate bar and did not feel very

good after it, but nothing like this morning.

Thanks Tim

Wanita Sears wrote:

> At 07:56 AM 4/22/02 -0500, you wrote:

> >

> >Ok folks need your help.

> >

> >I gave up wheat about a month ago due to the thing called leaky gut.

> >Well I got better and allergies did receed, as well as some of the other

> >symptoms.

> >I tried a rasian bread toast with butter last week and got a runny nose

> >and allergy symptom right away.

> >Today and as we speak after eating 6 small whole wheat fresh ground

> >fermented pancakes with syrup and butter (all organic) I am a absolute

> >mess..

> >1 runny nose

> >2 back ache

> >3 headache

> >4 blurred vision

> >5 slowed motor controls

> >6 numbness in my shoulders

> >7 dull clouded thought process

> >I had organic popcorn and butter last night with no ill effects, and I

> >drink 1/2 gallon of raw milk a day with no effects as well as whey and

> >cream cheese cheese (quark) now with no ill effect but when on wheat

> >quark goes right through me.

> >Does any body have any ideas whats up?

> >Thanks for the help.

> >Tim

> >Clearview Acres

> >

> Hi Tim,

> I get the blurred vision, slowed motor controls and clouded thought processes

> from sugar. Got me thinking though as both the pancakes and syrup turn to

> sugar. How do you make your quark?

> Lactose for some reason is an acceptable sugar for me. Probably because of the

> fat.

> Wanita

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote:

>and for a lot of

> people, a very tiny amount of flour contamination

> can cause 2 days of misery.

A coworker of mine said that if he eats just very

little wheat, he gets a very bad rash that last for

weeks.

Roman

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

At 05:46 PM 4/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

>wrote:

> >and for a lot of

> > people, a very tiny amount of flour contamination

> > can cause 2 days of misery.

>

>

>A coworker of mine said that if he eats just very

>little wheat, he gets a very bad rash that last for

>weeks.

>

>Roman

I think it's more common than people think -- you should hang out in one of

the celiac groups for awhile. I predict it's going to be BIG deal in a

year or two: better tests are coming out (like a 15 minute

prick-your-finger blood test). If you have " wheat intolerance " that is

gut-based, it's an auto-immune reaction that is the cause of a whole slew

of related and expensive diseases, and it's usually not diagnosed for about

20 years.

Anyway, I reacted last week on one tiny piece of salmon jerky (a sample)

that had TVP in it (it was marked " protein " on the label, I should have

known better). It's different than, say, lactose intolerance where you can

drink a bit of milk and not be sick. It's an autoimmune disorder and it

causes your immune system to go into kamikaze mode attacking your own gut

-- incidentally releasing IgA immune factors into your blood that cause the

rash for some people. You can also get an IgG reaction (I THINK it's IgG,

anyway, it's the usual histamine-type allergic reaction), and a lot of

people get both. If wheat gives you diarrhea type symptoms, then it's

probably the gut-type reaction that leads to celiac.

Over half of the people with the gut-type reaction ONLY don't ever get

tested and don't think they have any symptoms (or none they can link to

eating wheat), which is why developing good tests is critical. You can live

your whole life feeling very sick and never knowing why.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

At 04:38 PM 4/22/02 -0500, Tim wrote:

Hi Tim,

This is from last week.

>We make the quark by letting milk sit at room temp for 36 to 38 hours and

then

>strain it for twenty four in the fridge.

>Then we add milk to it to thin it out and eat it with maple syrup, or fruit.

****I just tried a recipe that said leave in 150 degree oven overnight and

strain. It wasn't ready obviously as all I got in the strain was a yellow blob

of cheesy tasting cream and a lot of warm milk. Put it in the dehydrater with

some yogurt culture in it to save it. On second thought wasn't it said

here150

degrees is the breeding temp for some contaminants. Guess it will go down the

toilet to help the septic tank digest.

>It use to bother me while eating wheat, now that I have quit wheat it doesn't

>bother me.

******I could have wheat intolerance. Haven't quit it entirely but lots of

butter with it seems to offset some of reaction Ididn't know there was before.

Like a low grade hypoglycemic reaction. Pancakes and syrup gives me the shakes

from the inside out less than an hour later along with eye and motor problems.

>Have you noticed that commercial flour is hard on you as well? or is it the

fresh

>ground whole wheat that trips you off..

****Whole wheat bothers my stomach. Made the mistake of adding wheat germ to

some apple crisp topping while back and I could literally feel it scraping my

intestines. Oatmeal bread is most tolerable. Must be fiber.

how on earth does on

>survive in this world without fresh ground whole wheat organic chocolate chip

>cookies???

>It is the only thing I miss that has chocolate in it.

Sally says chocolate craving is a magnesium deficiency and I've seen it in

many

other places. Had a time when I had many magnesium deficiency symptoms. Higher

protein, saturated fat and especially it seems coconut milk (its my only

sweet

but really a fat besides lactose, some fruit too) is taking better care of the

chocolate urges (was daily about 3:00 for years) than some of the supplements

I've taken. I had chocolate chip cookies today. Think the body is on cycles

just like nature and stress along with what you've eaten all contribute to

your

willpower and what your body asks for. Long week. I don't think chocolate is

bad but the sugar in it is They say it takes 28 days to quit anything. A moon

cycle. Thats about how long it took me to give up sugar then pasteurized/

homogenized milk in my coffee years ago. I'd go that on the wheat then work on

the chocolate.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Just my un-professional opinion, but this sounds like you are craving

the chocolate for the " lift " it gives you, due to caffeine and

sugar. Being under stress depletes your body of nutrients even

faster than normal. If you are fatigued at mid afternoon, you need

to focus on getting your liver function improved...Read Bieler's book

(Food is Your Best Medicine) to understand how certain foods can

function as stimulants, rather than building health. There is a fine

line between what looks like health and what is just stimulation.

Most of today's society is only able to function because of all the

stimulants they ingest. Sad, but true....

Becky

Higher

> protein, saturated fat and especially it seems coconut milk (its

my only

> sweet

> but really a fat besides lactose, some fruit too) is taking better

care of the

> chocolate urges (was daily about 3:00 for years) than some of the

supplements

> I've taken. I had chocolate chip cookies today. Think the body is

on cycles

> just like nature and stress along with what you've eaten all

contribute to

> your

> willpower and what your body asks for. Long week. I don't think

chocolate is

> bad but the sugar in it is They say it takes 28 days to quit

anything. A moon

> cycle. Thats about how long it took me to give up sugar then

pasteurized/

> homogenized milk in my coffee years ago. I'd go that on the wheat

then work on

> the chocolate.

>

> Wanita