Re: secrets-for what it's worth

[Guest guest]

> here is the list of " secrets " compiled from these three

> groups for what its worth.

> 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

> 2. Don't use preservatives or artificial colorants

> 3. Eat a frugal diet, high in fibber, low in salt, fat

> and refined sugars and rarely fry in oil.

> 4. Drink water with a high mineral content, from a

> well or mountain streams.

> 5. Consume plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.

> 6. Never experience loneliness.

> 7. Practice holistic medicine, using traditional herbs

> and medicines to prevent and cure disease.

> 8. Enjoy regular sex, even up to the age of 100. :-)

> 9. Live in extended families, which offer cradle to grave security

> 10. Seldom drink or smoke.

> 11. Live at high altitudes with little air pollution.

> 12. Respect their elders, who lead busy active lives

> into their 1oo's emphasize relationship bad harmony

> over the pursuit of wealth or success.

Hi panamabob:

My opinion of what it's worth. Nothing.

Chi

[Guest guest]

> > here is the list of " secrets " compiled from these three

> > groups for what its worth.

> > 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

> > 2. Don't use preservatives or artificial colorants

> > 3. Eat a frugal diet, high in fibber, low in salt, fat

> > and refined sugars and rarely fry in oil.

> > 4. Drink water with a high mineral content, from a

> > well or mountain streams.

> > 5. Consume plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.

> > 6. Never experience loneliness.

> > 7. Practice holistic medicine, using traditional herbs

> > and medicines to prevent and cure disease.

> > 8. Enjoy regular sex, even up to the age of 100. :-)

> > 9. Live in extended families, which offer cradle to grave

security

> > 10. Seldom drink or smoke.

> > 11. Live at high altitudes with little air pollution.

> > 12. Respect their elders, who lead busy active lives

> > into their 1oo's emphasize relationship bad harmony

> > over the pursuit of wealth or success.

>

> Hi panamabob:

> My opinion of what it's worth. Nothing.

I agree, politically correct anemic nonsense. Anemic is my new

favorite word to describe politically correct nutrition, I've decided.

[Guest guest]

> > here is the list of " secrets " compiled from these three

> > groups for what its worth.

> > 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

> > 2. Don't use preservatives or artificial colorants

> > 3. Eat a frugal diet, high in fibber, low in salt, fat

> > and refined sugars and rarely fry in oil.

> > 4. Drink water with a high mineral content, from a

> > well or mountain streams.

> > 5. Consume plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.

> > 6. Never experience loneliness.

> > 7. Practice holistic medicine, using traditional herbs

> > and medicines to prevent and cure disease.

> > 8. Enjoy regular sex, even up to the age of 100. :-)

> > 9. Live in extended families, which offer cradle to grave security

> > 10. Seldom drink or smoke.

> > 11. Live at high altitudes with little air pollution.

> > 12. Respect their elders, who lead busy active lives

> > into their 1oo's emphasize relationship bad harmony

> > over the pursuit of wealth or success.

>

> Hi panamabob:

> My opinion of what it's worth. Nothing.

> Chi

Chi, where you been? I been missing your soil info. No. 6 is good. 10

is good. And 1,2,3,4 and 5 are good, don't you think. Best Regards,

Dennis

[Guest guest]

> > > here is the list of " secrets " compiled from these three

> > > groups for what its worth.

> > > 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

> > > 2. Don't use preservatives or artificial colorants

> > > 3. Eat a frugal diet, high in fibber, low in salt, fat

> > > and refined sugars and rarely fry in oil.

> > > 4. Drink water with a high mineral content, from a

> > > well or mountain streams.

> > > 5. Consume plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.

> > > 6. Never experience loneliness.

> > > 7. Practice holistic medicine, using traditional herbs

> > > and medicines to prevent and cure disease.

> > > 8. Enjoy regular sex, even up to the age of 100. :-)

> > > 9. Live in extended families, which offer cradle to grave

security

> > > 10. Seldom drink or smoke.

> > > 11. Live at high altitudes with little air pollution.

> > > 12. Respect their elders, who lead busy active lives

> > > into their 1oo's emphasize relationship bad harmony

> > > over the pursuit of wealth or success.

> >

> > Hi panamabob:

> > My opinion of what it's worth. Nothing.

> > Chi

>

>

> Chi, where you been? I been missing your soil info. No. 6 is good.

10

> is good.

Why would living at altitude be healthier than living at sea level?

>And 1,2,3,4 and 5 are good, don't you think.

1. depends on what form of exercise. Some are bunk.

2. sure

3. Absolutely not. Frugal diets are not healthy. One of these days,

our obsession with poverty diets will be considered as strange as the

victorian's view on morality. What on earth made people look at third

world and post WWII countries that suffer from mass starvation and

malnutrition and decide to emulate their lifestyle? It boggles the

mind.

5. Why? WAP showed that plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables are not

essential for good health. Some primitives did just as well or better

with their carbs coming from cereal grains while some eschewed plant

foods altogether.

10. What's wrong with drinking? Every epidemiological study done has

found alcohol to be protective of heart disease. Its not limited to

red wine, although in our politically correct time its frowned upon.

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@y...>

wrote:

> > > 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

> > > 2. Don't use preservatives or artificial colorants

> > > 3. Eat a frugal diet, high in fibber, low in salt, fat

> > > and refined sugars and rarely fry in oil.

> > > 4. Drink water with a high mineral content, from a

> > > well or mountain streams.

> > > 5. Consume plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables.

> > > 6. Never experience loneliness.

> > > 10. Seldom drink or smoke.

> Chi, where you been? I been missing your soil info.

> No. 6 is good. 10 is good.

> And 1,2,3,4 and 5 are good, don't you think.

Hi Dennis:

Number 6, I guess, unless you are a hermit.

Number 10, I will never quit smoking.

Number 1, is exercise regular and consistent when it is for 5

minutes , twice a month?

Number 2, don't eat butter (it may contain artificial color).

Number 3, I never fib about my diet.

Number 4, the mineral content of the Hunza water was not a direct

benefit to the Hunza by their drinking it. The benefit was the silt

content in the melted glacier water that continuously renewed the

soil fertility where their cattle grazed and where they grew their

crops. As usual, it wasn't what they ate, but rather the soil

fertility that produced what they ate. (Some soil info for you

Dennis )

Number 5, especially if they are organic and grown on low soil

fertility.

Chi

[Guest guest]

> Oh I dont know how useless it is... they just are probably the same

>things are mom has always told us, passed down through folklore. If

>it bore repeating over so many generations it must have been

>something useful,,,if nothing else but the comfort they give in

>providing " secrets " to passon tou YOUR offspring

only if you are referring to the last 2 generations. Live from the

fat of the land, the cream rises to the top, the cream of the crop,

fallen on lean times, as sickly as skimmed milk and other traditional

advice to eat a high fat diet fly right in the face of 'eat a diet

high in fiber and low in fat', the current BS that you get.

OTOH, I get the ego boost of being by far the fittest beginner (and

probably intermediate for that matter. Only the ex-college squash

players could outlast me) at my local squash club. Maybe some good

does come from the low-fat crap.

[Guest guest]

>

> I've never heard the 'Sickly as skimmed milk' before,

I think it was in a Mark Twain book, and I may have noticed it

because it was excerpted on NT or the WAP site. I think it would

probably make more sense back in the day when skim milk was a waste

product from making butter, and given to the pigs or the poor family

down the way.

>

> To change gears a little and not intended to start a war or go

> seriously OT. When I was going to school in the 60's and early 70s

the

> weather worry was the coming Ice Age...

This will go OT! That's what makes me skeptical of claims about the

environment and global warming. People wanted to demonize technology

so they predicted it would create an ice age. Then that got debunked

and so it got immediately recast into global warming. If you read

beyondveg.com, that's exactly what vegetarian extremists have been

doing every time one of their veggie myths have been debunked. The

only defense against it is to recognize that the source is no longer

credible and stop paying attention.

[Guest guest]

> > Somehow, I'd feel better about a society that has more wisdom

> proportionate

> > to its intelligence...

>

> I don't believe in " wisdom. " One age's wisdom is another age's

wives' tale.

> One persons wisdom is another person's prejudice. To the extent

that we

> speak of " primitives " having wise traditions, we remove objectivity

and

> critical thought from our consideration of their methods. Let's

not forget

> how selectively we are looking at the traditions of primitive

peoples.

> Price didn't just walk around and collect wisdom from primitive

people; he

> had to *search* for especially healthy ones and try to study what

they did

> differently from the unhealthy ones.

Yes, but lets also recall what the pattern was: those that ate their

traditional diets were healthy, those that ate the displacing foods

of modern commerce weren't. So while his search was selective, this

one theory remained true (with the exception that he never found a

healthy tribe living soley on plant foods).

[Guest guest]

> > here is the list of " secrets " compiled from these three

> > groups for what its worth.

> > 1. Exercise regularly and consistently

>

> Okay but not always necessarily

>

I disagree. I think some exercises are so PC that they are nearly

worthless, but there are no sedentary primitives.

[Guest guest]

> > Yes, but lets also recall what the pattern was: those that ate

their

> > traditional diets were healthy, those that ate the displacing

foods

> > of modern commerce weren't. So while his search was selective,

this

> > one theory remained true (with the exception that he never found

a

> > healthy tribe living soley on plant foods).

>

> Yes, but he did find relatively unhealthy tribes consuming what was

> apparently their traditional diet.

He did? When did he talk about that?

[Guest guest]

> > He did? When did he talk about that?

>

> Well, the observations about the Bantu vs the Masai and Dinka for

one

> example. ...and recall, I wrote *relatively* unhealthy. The Bantu

may have

> been more healthy than Americans at the time, and they may or may

not have

> been more healthy than current Americans, but they were less

healthy than

> other African tribes with different dietary traditions. In other

words, the

> Bantu's diet was not a good model for creating optimum health

despite the

> fact that it was their " traditional " diet.

I don't think I agree with your interpretation. I think WAP had a

binary classification " healthy primitives " and those that ate the

displacing foods of modern commerce. Then you can split hairs amongst

the healthy primitives and say that bantu were too close to being

vegetarian and the masai were too carnivorous while the dinka were

just right, but my reading of it was that 99% of the emphasis was on

whether these tribes met his healthy primitive standard, and that a

further point was that there are a lot of differant healthy diets out

there. That led to his interest in uncovering the patterns that

united them - good soil, fat soluble activators etc...

[Guest guest]

> No I agree with you. I only meant that if you have an active

lifestyle

> (like the Price groups) a separate time for exercise is not

necessary.

I agree, I don't think the farmers on this list need to set aside

time to exercise!