Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 >>>So for the first time Friday, I got my hands on some raw milk. It was really nice, and I finished a half gallon in about 24 hours (That was yesterday afternoon). I was fighting off a little cold, but figured I could still drink it (and no one said otherwise). So today, my cold is worse (losing my voice), and totally irrelated (I think), I've had the most upset stomach on earth. I have been living in the bathroom since last night. Is this from the milk? Should I lay off it? Do I need to start slowly? Any ideas? ***Ramit, let me preface this first by telling you I am absolutely no authority on milk. But since no one else has responded since yesterday, I'll just tell you what I would do. I would stop drinking the milk, especially if I had spent so much time in the bathroom after having drinken it for the first time. Have you had the same reaction to drinking pasteurized milk, or did you just not drink milk prior to this? When I started drinking raw milk recently, I have had no problems with it, but everyone is different and our milk sources are different. Perhaps, you should take it a little more slowly, and try again when you are not under the weather. You could also improve your gut ecology by consuming lots of fermented foods, or, if that's not an option, you could take probiotics. I take them regularly now, as I haven't found time to make many fermented foods and i'm trying to improve my gut ecology, and make it less hospitalble to pathogenic microorganisms. Alternatively, could you be lactose-intolerant? Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hey there! Suze, thanks for the response. From my experience lactose-intolerance is out of the question, since I thrive on dairy. I use half and half daily in tea, eat yogurt and kefir all the time, have ice cream when I crave it, got my hands on raw cheese, and LOVE cottage cheese. I've never had a problem in that respect, and I also used to take probiotics daily (until I got lazy in the past few weeks, when I started eating more lacto-fermented foods, including home-made sauerkraut). But maybe it was a bacteria overload for me. Some people speak of die-offs? Or have I just given myself some mild food poisoning? Ramit _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 >>>Suze, thanks for the response. From my experience lactose-intolerance is out of the question, since I thrive on dairy. I use half and half daily in tea, eat yogurt and kefir all the time, have ice cream when I crave it, got my hands on raw cheese, and LOVE cottage cheese. I've never had a problem in that respect, and I also used to take probiotics daily (until I got lazy in the past few weeks, when I started eating more lacto-fermented foods, including home-made sauerkraut). But maybe it was a bacteria overload for me. Some people speak of die-offs? Or have I just given myself some mild food poisoning? ***Wish I had an answer...but I really don't know. There may have been something in there that didn't agree with you, but i think all you can do is guess as to what it is. I'd just lay off it until you feel better, then try again, but slowly. Maybe you could keep up with the probiotics just a bit longer until you are doing ok on the raw milk... Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hiya Ramit, I'm sorry to hear your raw milk experience did not go well. I loved the stuff I got, it was so smooth and creamy. The only thing I can think of is that I've noticed travelling that sometimes dairy messes with my stomach. Maybe if you go slowly and try again with a small glass, it will be ok? You may just need to get used to a differant kind of milk? just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Ramit- > From my experience lactose-intolerance is >out of the question, since I thrive on dairy. I use half and half daily in >tea, eat yogurt and kefir all the time, have ice cream when I crave it, got >my hands on raw cheese, and LOVE cottage cheese. All those dairy foods have less lactose than raw milk, so it could well be that you couldn't handle such a large influx of lactose. You should probably start slowly with the raw milk, and maybe make yoghurt with it. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hey Ramit! Slow down man!! Your internal system can't handle that much good stuff all at once, even though your brain is diggin it!! In our experience of raw milk customers (265 families) we have found that the degree of initial discomfort relates to the time frame from which no raw milk products were consumed. Imagine the poor soul who's last taste was from the breast.. Sounds like you've been off them for some time and no, fermented foods won't lesson the effect. Just back off a while but add yogurt to your diet made from the milk you would have drank like a sailor on leave. If this continues, you may have true allergies to milk, but it takes a few days to get your system switched over to the new " friendly bacteria " in the raw milk. Good luck, say a prayer for me! Tim Ramit wrote: > Hello all, > > So for the first time Friday, I got my hands on some raw milk. It was > really nice, and I finished a half gallon in about 24 hours (That was > yesterday afternoon). I was fighting off a little cold, but figured I could > still drink it (and no one said otherwise). So today, my cold is worse > (losing my voice), and totally irrelated (I think), I've had the most upset > stomach on earth. I have been living in the bathroom since last night. Is > this from the milk? Should I lay off it? Do I need to start slowly? Any > ideas? > > Ramit > > _________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 >>>>Sounds like you've been off them for some time and no, fermented foods won't lesson the effect. ***Hey there, tim. IF the problem is harmful bacteria, then fermented foods will indeed lessen the effect. But if it's something else that caused ramit's digestive upset, then they may not be so helpful. As I mentioned earlier, i was hesitant to respond to her post because I don't know much about milk, but I would like to know, now that it's come up - what precisely is going on biochemically/biologically (other than harmful bacteria or possible lactose intolerance) that would cause digestive problems in some one who hasn't had raw milk in a very long time, and then starts to drink it? Anyone know? Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Unfamiliar bacteria. I think it's like traveller's diarrhea -- new strains of e. coli, salmonella or whatever make you sick until your immune system and other intestinal flora control the growth of the new bacteria, and then either you develop immunity or it becomes part of your normal flora. It's probably best to start with small amounts or make kefir, so you only get a little bit of the new bacteria at a time. I would think in Ramit's case that lots of fermented foods would help by crowding out the bacteria that's causing the problem. > ***Hey there, tim. IF the problem is harmful bacteria, then fermented foods > will indeed lessen the effect. But if it's something else that caused > ramit's digestive upset, then they may not be so helpful. As I mentioned > earlier, i was hesitant to respond to her post because I don't know much > about milk, but I would like to know, now that it's come up - what precisely > is going on biochemically/biologically (other than harmful bacteria or > possible lactose intolerance) that would cause digestive problems in some > one who hasn't had raw milk in a very long time, and then starts to drink > it? > > Anyone know? > > > Suze Fisher > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ > mailto:s.fisher22@v... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hey there! So today I stepped back a bit and had about 16 ounces of raw milk with no problem. I guess a half gallon straight out was probably bacteria overload, but super-duper immune system that I have, I'm all adjusted. Ramit >Unfamiliar bacteria. I would think in Ramit's case that lots of >fermented foods >would help by crowding out the bacteria that's causing the problem. Took 'em a while! _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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