Re: Topper -- ok FINALLY got with and without meds numbers

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Ok, finally the results are in... I went on 4/27 to my endo and DID not take ANY T3 or T4 that morning.

I went the next day on 4/28 and took BOTH my T3 and my T4 morning dose before the draw.

Here are the results — you are right on the money about the T4 affecting the results — which is surprising since the T3 is the faster acting of the two, the T4 had a much higher difference and only 24 hours apart, too! Both sets were done at the same lab, too.

Sue

4/27, NO MEDS:

TSH: .41 range: .40-5.50

T3F: 285 range: 230-420

T4F: 1.1 range .8-1.8

4/28, took ALL MEDS, both T3 and T4 prior

TSH: .35 (L) range: .40-5.50

T3F: 295 range: 230-420

T4F: 2.5 (H) range: .8-1.8

I was on .112 levoxyl and 15 mcg Cytomel. We changed me to .88 Levoxy and 25 mcg of Cytomel. I feel definitely hyper with the lower TSH and am not sleeping well so asked to cut back the T4 and up the T3 since that still had room to grow.

Two months ago my numbers at same lab, same ranges on .100 mcg Levoxyl and NO Cytomel T2 were:

TSH (H) 7.37

T24: 240

Tf4: 1.2

I still eat soy and take Prozac — so neither of those were the “culprit” for me — I think I just really need T3 — don’t convert...

I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.

Any ideas why I don’t convert?

I do have hashis:

Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03

Thanks,

Sue

ok ,here it goes see my reply in with yours below

Re: Ok. What is Happening Now ????

Lets back up a bit and cover some of the basics....

You're on Eltroxin, right? Still 100 mcg? yes this is Correct

How long have you been on that dose? 3 days only

What country do you live in? Canada If you are in the US they HAVE to give your copies of your labs upon request.. there is no saying no. he was good dr this time ,gave them to me I asked nicely Ha ! The only thing that they can do is to ask for a fee to cover the cost of copying... they dont' get to NOT give them to you.

Since you've had problems with eating in the past, and food and when/how/what you eat affects conversion and how well synthetic T4 (like Eltroxin and Synthroid and the others) work.... Lets talk about your eating. ok , really don't fall off the chair ...........ok

What is your ideal healthy weight?not really sure ,I'm 5.5 so about 110- 115 maybe, thats what the DrSays I shound weigh I'm tiny, small boned ,

How much do you weight now? 98 pds

How much have you lost over what period of time? went from a size 8 down to size 3-4 I don't weight my self, scales set me off when the Doc weighted me I was freaking inside over the numbers ,and getting on the Scale I have not weighted myself for over 10 years ,as long as I stay off the Scale them I'm fine

What was your original diagnosis, the reason for being given T4? he said I have Hashi and my Tyorid was messed up and back in Nov I ended up in Emergency with could not think properly ,confused ,passed out ,chest pain, numbmess ,tingling ,cold ,body temp dropped, pluse way down I think my pluse dropped to 23 ,skin was surning grey , going into shock ,Can't remember what else ,happened

How many times a day do you eat? 1 main meal, eat very little , sometimes the odd lunch

If you had to guess how many calories you are taking in... about how many? about 400= 600 cal

What types of foods do you eat? don't eat meat at all. maybe once in while fish,salads,yogaurt ,no sweets , no junk food ,drink lots of water 6-8 bottles a day , some fruit ,Veggies,yes , lots of veggies ,rice, odd potato

meats, carbs, processed, fast foods, fruits, vegies..... that kind of stuff.

List everything else you are taking, meds, vitamins, herbs... and anything 'odd'.... just the meds the Dr has given me

Do you drink teas? nope ,don't care for it

Do you do caffeine? yep 3-4 in the morning to wake me up and get me going ,

Do you smoke yep, want to quit ....... darn hard to do ,hate the taste and smell or drink? once in a blue mood ,very very rarely unless special day maybe 1-2 glass don't really care for Drinking (this isn't a judgement question, it's to see if your body is showing symptoms of being easily addicted to things, its on of the symptoms of hypo) have to look at that again !!!

Eltroxin 100 mcg tabs are white... so this isn't a dye allergy.... nope ,yep they are white

When do you take your pill? fiest thing in the morning Time of day... 6:45 am empty stomach... yep what do you use to wash it down? water

I can't remember now.. what dose did you start on? doc started me on 0.05 mg every week he increased it to 0.025 mg then 0.088 mg ,then 0.1 mg How long ago?started meds on April 06 ,06 How much were your increases? How far apart? 1 week apart each dose then last one at 2 weeks apart and now 1 month apart

What is your resting pulse? no idea

(sit quietly for about 20 minutes, count the number of beats in 6 seconds and then multiply by 10) ok will do this

That's all that is coming to mind right now..... thanks

oh oh oh... cravings... anything that you are craving, either food or drink? yep craved chocolate last night I never eat sweets

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On Thu, 4 May 2006 21:46:46 -0700 " hollyberrys " writes:

Boy........... with all these Changes with my Body it is driving me nuts here ,

Legs are Puffy but now my Eyes are Puffy lids and underneath my eyes ,( This started yesterday ,

Why is this happening ?

Mild chest pain at night ,can't sleep at night at all,

Still Losing Weight ,eating pretty good ,

Cramps in my Legs ,and Fingers ,Muscles seize up especally in my hands ,makes typing hard

Tingling in my Hands and Feet ,

Jeepers ( Wish this would just go away,and

Cranky tonight ,as I so blasten ,flippin COLD

grrrrr ( Sorry for rant , needed to Vent )

Deborah not a happy camper )

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Ok, finally the results are in... I went on 4/27 to my endo and DID not take ANY T3 or T4 that morning.

I went the next day on 4/28 and took BOTH my T3 and my T4 morning dose before the draw.

Here are the results — you are right on the money about the T4 affecting the results — which is surprising since the T3 is the faster acting of the two, the T4 had a much higher difference and only 24 hours apart, too! Both sets were done at the same lab, too.

Sue

4/27, NO MEDS:

TSH: .41 range: .40-5.50

T3F: 285 range: 230-420

T4F: 1.1 range .8-1.8

4/28, took ALL MEDS, both T3 and T4 prior

TSH: .35 (L) range: .40-5.50

T3F: 295 range: 230-420

T4F: 2.5 (H) range: .8-1.8

I was on .112 levoxyl and 15 mcg Cytomel. We changed me to .88 Levoxy and 25 mcg of Cytomel. I feel definitely hyper with the lower TSH and am not sleeping well so asked to cut back the T4 and up the T3 since that still had room to grow.

Two months ago my numbers at same lab, same ranges on .100 mcg Levoxyl and NO Cytomel T2 were:

TSH (H) 7.37

T24: 240

Tf4: 1.2

I still eat soy and take Prozac — so neither of those were the “culprit” for me — I think I just really need T3 — don’t convert...

I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.

Any ideas why I don’t convert?

I do have hashis:

Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03

Thanks,

Sue

ok ,here it goes see my reply in with yours below

Re: Ok. What is Happening Now ????

Lets back up a bit and cover some of the basics....

You're on Eltroxin, right? Still 100 mcg? yes this is Correct

How long have you been on that dose? 3 days only

What country do you live in? Canada If you are in the US they HAVE to give your copies of your labs upon request.. there is no saying no. he was good dr this time ,gave them to me I asked nicely Ha ! The only thing that they can do is to ask for a fee to cover the cost of copying... they dont' get to NOT give them to you.

Since you've had problems with eating in the past, and food and when/how/what you eat affects conversion and how well synthetic T4 (like Eltroxin and Synthroid and the others) work.... Lets talk about your eating. ok , really don't fall off the chair ...........ok

What is your ideal healthy weight?not really sure ,I'm 5.5 so about 110- 115 maybe, thats what the DrSays I shound weigh I'm tiny, small boned ,

How much do you weight now? 98 pds

How much have you lost over what period of time? went from a size 8 down to size 3-4 I don't weight my self, scales set me off when the Doc weighted me I was freaking inside over the numbers ,and getting on the Scale I have not weighted myself for over 10 years ,as long as I stay off the Scale them I'm fine

What was your original diagnosis, the reason for being given T4? he said I have Hashi and my Tyorid was messed up and back in Nov I ended up in Emergency with could not think properly ,confused ,passed out ,chest pain, numbmess ,tingling ,cold ,body temp dropped, pluse way down I think my pluse dropped to 23 ,skin was surning grey , going into shock ,Can't remember what else ,happened

How many times a day do you eat? 1 main meal, eat very little , sometimes the odd lunch

If you had to guess how many calories you are taking in... about how many? about 400= 600 cal

What types of foods do you eat? don't eat meat at all. maybe once in while fish,salads,yogaurt ,no sweets , no junk food ,drink lots of water 6-8 bottles a day , some fruit ,Veggies,yes , lots of veggies ,rice, odd potato

meats, carbs, processed, fast foods, fruits, vegies..... that kind of stuff.

List everything else you are taking, meds, vitamins, herbs... and anything 'odd'.... just the meds the Dr has given me

Do you drink teas? nope ,don't care for it

Do you do caffeine? yep 3-4 in the morning to wake me up and get me going ,

Do you smoke yep, want to quit ....... darn hard to do ,hate the taste and smell or drink? once in a blue mood ,very very rarely unless special day maybe 1-2 glass don't really care for Drinking (this isn't a judgement question, it's to see if your body is showing symptoms of being easily addicted to things, its on of the symptoms of hypo) have to look at that again !!!

Eltroxin 100 mcg tabs are white... so this isn't a dye allergy.... nope ,yep they are white

When do you take your pill? fiest thing in the morning Time of day... 6:45 am empty stomach... yep what do you use to wash it down? water

I can't remember now.. what dose did you start on? doc started me on 0.05 mg every week he increased it to 0.025 mg then 0.088 mg ,then 0.1 mg How long ago?started meds on April 06 ,06 How much were your increases? How far apart? 1 week apart each dose then last one at 2 weeks apart and now 1 month apart

What is your resting pulse? no idea

(sit quietly for about 20 minutes, count the number of beats in 6 seconds and then multiply by 10) ok will do this

That's all that is coming to mind right now..... thanks

oh oh oh... cravings... anything that you are craving, either food or drink? yep craved chocolate last night I never eat sweets

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On Thu, 4 May 2006 21:46:46 -0700 " hollyberrys " writes:

Boy........... with all these Changes with my Body it is driving me nuts here ,

Legs are Puffy but now my Eyes are Puffy lids and underneath my eyes ,( This started yesterday ,

Why is this happening ?

Mild chest pain at night ,can't sleep at night at all,

Still Losing Weight ,eating pretty good ,

Cramps in my Legs ,and Fingers ,Muscles seize up especally in my hands ,makes typing hard

Tingling in my Hands and Feet ,

Jeepers ( Wish this would just go away,and

Cranky tonight ,as I so blasten ,flippin COLD

grrrrr ( Sorry for rant , needed to Vent )

Deborah not a happy camper )

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I have been feeling as invisible as Tammy... Some of just have no “luck” I guess

Sue

Ok, finally the results are in... I went on 4/27 to my endo and DID not take ANY T3 or T4 that morning.

I went the next day on 4/28 and took BOTH my T3 and my T4 morning dose before the draw.

Here are the results — you are right on the money about the T4 affecting the results — which is surprising since the T3 is the faster acting of the two, the T4 had a much higher difference and only 24 hours apart, too! Both sets were done at the same lab, too.

Sue

4/27, NO MEDS:

TSH: .41 range: .40-5.50

T3F: 285 range: 230-420

T4F: 1.1 range .8-1.8

4/28, took ALL MEDS, both T3 and T4 prior

TSH: .35 (L) range: .40-5.50

T3F: 295 range: 230-420

T4F: 2.5 (H) range: .8-1.8

I was on .112 levoxyl and 15 mcg Cytomel. We changed me to .88 Levoxy and 25 mcg of Cytomel. I feel definitely hyper with the lower TSH and am not sleeping well so asked to cut back the T4 and up the T3 since that still had room to grow.

Two months ago my numbers at same lab, same ranges on .100 mcg Levoxyl and NO Cytomel T2 were:

TSH (H) 7.37

T24: 240

Tf4: 1.2

I still eat soy and take Prozac — so neither of those were the “culprit” for me — I think I just really need T3 — don’t convert...

I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.

Any ideas why I don’t convert?

I do have hashis:

Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03

Thanks,

Sue

ok ,here it goes see my reply in with yours below

Re: Ok. What is Happening Now ????

Lets back up a bit and cover some of the basics....

You're on Eltroxin, right? Still 100 mcg? yes this is Correct

How long have you been on that dose? 3 days only

What country do you live in? Canada If you are in the US they HAVE to give your copies of your labs upon request.. there is no saying no. he was good dr this time ,gave them to me I asked nicely Ha ! The only thing that they can do is to ask for a fee to cover the cost of copying... they dont' get to NOT give them to you.

Since you've had problems with eating in the past, and food and when/how/what you eat affects conversion and how well synthetic T4 (like Eltroxin and Synthroid and the others) work.... Lets talk about your eating. ok , really don't fall off the chair ...........ok

What is your ideal healthy weight?not really sure ,I'm 5.5 so about 110- 115 maybe, thats what the DrSays I shound weigh I'm tiny, small boned ,

How much do you weight now? 98 pds

How much have you lost over what period of time? went from a size 8 down to size 3-4 I don't weight my self, scales set me off when the Doc weighted me I was freaking inside over the numbers ,and getting on the Scale I have not weighted myself for over 10 years ,as long as I stay off the Scale them I'm fine

What was your original diagnosis, the reason for being given T4? he said I have Hashi and my Tyorid was messed up and back in Nov I ended up in Emergency with could not think properly ,confused ,passed out ,chest pain, numbmess ,tingling ,cold ,body temp dropped, pluse way down I think my pluse dropped to 23 ,skin was surning grey , going into shock ,Can't remember what else ,happened

How many times a day do you eat? 1 main meal, eat very little , sometimes the odd lunch

If you had to guess how many calories you are taking in... about how many? about 400= 600 cal

What types of foods do you eat? don't eat meat at all. maybe once in while fish,salads,yogaurt ,no sweets , no junk food ,drink lots of water 6-8 bottles a day , some fruit ,Veggies,yes , lots of veggies ,rice, odd potato

meats, carbs, processed, fast foods, fruits, vegies..... that kind of stuff.

List everything else you are taking, meds, vitamins, herbs... and anything 'odd'.... just the meds the Dr has given me

Do you drink teas? nope ,don't care for it

Do you do caffeine? yep 3-4 in the morning to wake me up and get me going ,

Do you smoke yep, want to quit ....... darn hard to do ,hate the taste and smell or drink? once in a blue mood ,very very rarely unless special day maybe 1-2 glass don't really care for Drinking (this isn't a judgement question, it's to see if your body is showing symptoms of being easily addicted to things, its on of the symptoms of hypo) have to look at that again !!!

Eltroxin 100 mcg tabs are white... so this isn't a dye allergy.... nope ,yep they are white

When do you take your pill? fiest thing in the morning Time of day... 6:45 am empty stomach... yep what do you use to wash it down? water

I can't remember now.. what dose did you start on? doc started me on 0.05 mg every week he increased it to 0.025 mg then 0.088 mg ,then 0.1 mg How long ago?started meds on April 06 ,06 How much were your increases? How far apart? 1 week apart each dose then last one at 2 weeks apart and now 1 month apart

What is your resting pulse? no idea

(sit quietly for about 20 minutes, count the number of beats in 6 seconds and then multiply by 10) ok will do this

That's all that is coming to mind right now..... thanks

oh oh oh... cravings... anything that you are craving, either food or drink? yep craved chocolate last night I never eat sweets

Topper ()

On Thu, 4 May 2006 21:46:46 -0700 " hollyberrys " writes:

Boy........... with all these Changes with my Body it is driving me nuts here ,

Legs are Puffy but now my Eyes are Puffy lids and underneath my eyes ,( This started yesterday ,

Why is this happening ?

Mild chest pain at night ,can't sleep at night at all,

Still Losing Weight ,eating pretty good ,

Cramps in my Legs ,and Fingers ,Muscles seize up especally in my hands ,makes typing hard

Tingling in my Hands and Feet ,

Jeepers ( Wish this would just go away,and

Cranky tonight ,as I so blasten ,flippin COLD

grrrrr ( Sorry for rant , needed to Vent )

Deborah not a happy camper )

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You posted twice and added a bit.... you're going to confuse me!!! eeeekkkk hehehehehehehe

Poor Conversion... all kinds of reasons.

insufficient selenium

inconsistent eating, skipping meals, not eating often enough, eating too little

Body not able to process synthetic T4 - this can be a quirk of the individual, food choices, adrenal levels, damaged receptors. genetics

Taking the T4 on a full stomach - leaving insufficient acid levels to break the synthetic T4 down.

Taking antacids - reducing stomach acid so the synthetic T4 isn't broken down to the usable form

Consuming things that inhibit conversion - the biggest on this list is High Fructose Corn Syrup.

That's why testing both of the Frees is so important, especially when taking the synthetics. To make sure that Free T4 levels are sufficient enough to be converted to the T3 that the body needs to function. Adding Cytomel or switching to natural can increase the levels of T3, yes... but conversion is still needed, and must be monitored, to be able to tell if there is sufficient conversion to allow for enough T2 and T1 as well.

.... getting preachy.... quieting down now... after a couple of days of light emails I just got a bunch so I have more to go through... hehehehe

With your antibodies so high.... I'm wondering if your TSH should be dropped down some more...

Your 4/27 labs are still showing that your Free T3 is too low and your Free T4 is relatively high... So conversion is still lacking.

You can try to work on doing more to increase conversion... or you can split your T3 dose, if you're not already, and maybe add more. It's also possible that your body doesn't like the synthetic T4 and it's free levels in the blood are higher cuz your body isn't taking it in so at the cellular level your stored T4 is still low so your body doesn't have enough to convert. The solution for that particular problem is to drop the synthetic and go to natural.

I'm just finding myself staring at the numbers... see how taking the meds before the labs dropped the TSH level? Just as it's chemistry is said to do.

It's one thing to read the studys and such, it's something else to see it in a real person... assuming, Sue, that you're real! hehehehehe

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On Sat, 06 May 2006 12:47:45 -0500 jytdtp writes:

Ok, finally the results are in... I went on 4/27 to my endo and DID not take ANY T3 or T4 that morning. I went the next day on 4/28 and took BOTH my T3 and my T4 morning dose before the draw.Here are the results — you are right on the money about the T4 affecting the results — which is surprising since the T3 is the faster acting of the two, the T4 had a much higher difference and only 24 hours apart, too! Both sets were done at the same lab, too.Sue4/27, NO MEDS:TSH: .41 range: .40-5.50T3F: 285 range: 230-420T4F: 1.1 range .8-1.84/28, took ALL MEDS, both T3 and T4 priorTSH: .35 (L) range: .40-5.50T3F: 295 range: 230-420T4F: 2.5 (H) range: .8-1.8I was on .112 levoxyl and 15 mcg Cytomel. We changed me to .88 Levoxy and 25 mcg of Cytomel. I feel definitely hyper with the lower TSH and am not sleeping well so asked to cut back the T4 and up the T3 since that still had room to grow.Two months ago my numbers at same lab, same ranges on .100 mcg Levoxyl and NO Cytomel T2 were:TSH (H) 7.37T24: 240Tf4: 1.2I still eat soy and take Prozac — so neither of those were the “culprit” for me — I think I just really need T3 — don’t convert...I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.Any ideas why I don’t convert?I do have hashis:Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03Thanks,Sue

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>

> I have been feeling as invisible as Tammy... Some of just have no

³luck² I

> guess

>

>

> I still eat soy and take Prozac ‹ so neither of those were the

³culprit² for

> me ‹ I think I just really need T3 ‹ don¹t convert...

>

> I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.

>

> Any ideas why I don¹t convert?

>

> I do have hashis:

>

> Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03

>

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

>

It is not a matter of being invisible..I left the house this morning

at 8 am so I could go for a 45 min car ride, watched my oldest boy

in a gymnastics competition, got picked back up for another 45 min

drive so I could be at work at 2:30..worked til 10 pm and then had

to go to Safeway for some groceries..so home just before 11..carry

the boys in from the car and eat and now I am on here..but my last

few days have been just as busy..oh and I work in the morning..oh

and sitting here for 30 mins my pulse has finally come down to 123..

Soy and Prozac effect T4 to T3 conversion..they do not effect the

direct effect of T3 but only the conversion on a cellular level..

There is also a few other things that can effect your conversion

levels..ASA therapy..being Estrogen dominant and genetics..

One option to see if you are converting is having the dcotr run a

reverse T3 test..with additional illnesses the body will convert T4

to reverse T3 as a self protection mechanism instead of converting

it to the active Free t3..

Kats3boys

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Hi Topper, thanks for your response. See my comments / answers below:

You posted twice and added a bit.... you're going to confuse me!!! eeeekkkk hehehehehehehe

Poor Conversion... all kinds of reasons.

insufficient selenium could be, but funny you mention that cuz I just added that as part of my daily supplements last week

inconsistent eating, skipping meals, not eating often enough, eating too little I eat 5 times a day mini meals of — protein/carb and fat and fruit or veggies— I have gone over all this with a nutritionist and a biologist cuz I knew I was not metabolizing carbs.

Body not able to process synthetic T4 - this can be a quirk of the individual, food choices, adrenal levels, damaged receptors. Genetics I do have overactive adrenals as far as my spit tests showed

Taking the T4 on a full stomach - leaving insufficient acid levels to break the synthetic T4 down. I take the T4 in the A.M. Before I get out of bed and before I eat anything.

Taking antacids - reducing stomach acid so the synthetic T4 isn't broken down to the usable form Never take antacids

Consuming things that inhibit conversion - the biggest on this list is High Fructose Corn Syrup. None of that, either.

That's why testing both of the Frees is so important, especially when taking the synthetics. To make sure that Free T4 levels are sufficient enough to be converted to the T3 that the body needs to function. Adding Cytomel or switching to natural can increase the levels of T3, yes... but conversion is still needed, and must be monitored, to be able to tell if there is sufficient conversion to allow for enough T2 and T1 as well. I agree so that’s why I posed this question – even with the T3 added, I am not at high enough levels.

.... getting preachy.... quieting down now... after a couple of days of light emails I just got a bunch so I have more to go through... hehehehe

With your antibodies so high.... I'm wondering if your TSH should be dropped down some more... I have HASHIS — that was my initial diagnosis in 2003 via the antibodies and the hypo.

Your 4/27 labs are still showing that your Free T3 is too low and your Free T4 is relatively high... So conversion is still lacking.

You can try to work on doing more to increase conversion... or you can split your T3 dose, if you're not already, and maybe add more. I was at a split dose of 15 mcg T3 and am going up to 25 mcg this week.

It's also possible that your body doesn't like the synthetic T4 and it's free levels in the blood are higher cuz your body isn't taking it in so at the cellular level your stored T4 is still low so your body doesn't have enough to convert. The solution for that particular problem is to drop the synthetic and go to natural. Could be — the T4 never did a single thing for me—ever. It was not til I added the T3 in March that I felt ANY results from thyroid meds.

I'm just finding myself staring at the numbers... see how taking the meds before the labs dropped the TSH level? Just as it's chemistry is said to do. Yep. I see the biggest difference in the T4F huge difference in 24 hours with the meds... I am definitely feeling HYPER as hell --- so I dropped my T4 down to .88 mcg from .112.

I don’t feel good now with my TSH at .30 --- I think that’s way too low for me--- I can’t sleep...too much energy. I love the energy but high energy with sleep deprivation is a dangerous mix, especially with kids!

I will test in 8 weeks and if I can keep my TSH at below 1 on .88 mcg will stay with this. I think the T3 is my “best friend” in all this now, but if as you say, the SYNTHETIC t4 is not my thing, I will see if can switch to armour when I go back in 8 weeks.

It's one thing to read the studys and such, it's something else to see it in a real person... assuming, Sue, that you're real! Hehehehehe I am glad I was able to “put it to the test” as well — from now on no meds for me the day of testing til AFTER blood is drawn---makes sense to me.

Sue

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On Sat, 06 May 2006 12:47:45 -0500 jytdtp writes:

Ok, finally the results are in... I went on 4/27 to my endo and DID not take ANY T3 or T4 that morning.

I went the next day on 4/28 and took BOTH my T3 and my T4 morning dose before the draw.

Here are the results — you are right on the money about the T4 affecting the results — which is surprising since the T3 is the faster acting of the two, the T4 had a much higher difference and only 24 hours apart, too! Both sets were done at the same lab, too.

Sue

4/27, NO MEDS:

TSH: .41 range: .40-5.50

T3F: 285 range: 230-420

T4F: 1.1 range .8-1.8

4/28, took ALL MEDS, both T3 and T4 prior

TSH: .35 (L) range: .40-5.50

T3F: 295 range: 230-420

T4F: 2.5 (H) range: .8-1.8

I was on .112 levoxyl and 15 mcg Cytomel. We changed me to .88 Levoxy and 25 mcg of Cytomel. I feel definitely hyper with the lower TSH and am not sleeping well so asked to cut back the T4 and up the T3 since that still had room to grow.

Two months ago my numbers at same lab, same ranges on .100 mcg Levoxyl and NO Cytomel T2 were:

TSH (H) 7.37

T24: 240

Tf4: 1.2

I still eat soy and take Prozac — so neither of those were the “culprit” for me — I think I just really need T3 — don’t convert...

I go back in 8 weeks for new labs.

Any ideas why I don’t convert?

I do have hashis:

Antibodies >1000 same as 8/03

Thanks,

Sue