Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > What animal foods (if any) are good sources of magnesium? I know animal > sources are often left off the lists of sources of nutrients (like zinc) > but while I know where to get some of them (like zinc) I haven't figured > out where to get enough magnesium without supplementation. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > > > - How about wheatgrass or milk from cow eating wheatgrass? Or, if you please, green grass? Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Dennis- >How about wheatgrass or milk from cow eating wheatgrass? Or, if you >please, green grass? I'm not going to eat or drink wheat grass, but do you know that milk from cows eating it is rich in magnesium? I am getting raw dairy from 100% grass-fed Jersey cows now. Is that enough? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > Dennis- > > >How about wheatgrass or milk from cow eating wheatgrass? Or, if you > >please, green grass? > > I'm not going to eat or drink wheat grass, but do you know that milk from > cows eating it is rich in magnesium? I am getting raw dairy from 100% > grass-fed Jersey cows now. Is that enough? > > > > > - , I don't know but there's lots of magnesium in chlorophyll. From what I've read on this board the nutrients pass thru so I'm GUESSING but not betting they'd be in the milk. We might have to eat more than milk from the cow. By the way is there a problem with wheatgrass or it's juice? Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 At 10:40 PM 4/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >What animal foods (if any) are good sources of magnesium? First, it might be interesting to say that magnesium is most often found in plants. Bulgur and Oat bran are fairly high (about 225 mg per cup). But halibut(about 91-170 mg per 1/2 fillet), haddock and flounder (about 75 per 1 fillet) are fairly good sources too along with Alaskan King Crab (about 53 mg per 3 oz.). Turkey and duck have some - relatively lower amounts. Check out the USDA reference site for this type of information (but you'll have to weed through the junk foods listed there to find more wholesome entries): http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ Regards -=mark=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 --- dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote: > > > What animal foods (if any) are good sources of > magnesium? > > - .... > How about wheatgrass or milk from cow eating > wheatgrass? Or, if you > please, green grass? Dennis I've read that milk contains very little magnesium. But maybe it wasn't from grass-fed animals. From http://www.sbwise.com/ingredients/magnesium.htm: " Approximately 60 percent of the total magnesium in the body is found in the bones, 26 percent in the muscles, and the remainder in soft tissues and body fluids. The tissues with the highest magnesium concentration are the brain, heart, liver, and kidney " So, maybe bone broth is a good source. However, from the next quote it appears that bone broth may not be such a good source. And maybe it explains the recommendation to remove fat from the broth. " Factors that inhibit magnesium absorption include excess fat and protein consumption, cod liver oil, phytates (found in grains and cereal), and oxalic acid (found in spinach and rhubarb) " . From the following quote you can see how it's important to have well functioning adrenals: " The adrenal hormone aldosterone regulates the rate of magnesium excretion through the kidneys. " Roman __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > > > What animal foods (if any) are good sources of > > magnesium? > > > - > ... > > > How about wheatgrass or milk from cow eating > > wheatgrass? Or, if you > > please, green grass? Dennis > > > I've read that milk contains very little magnesium. > But maybe it wasn't from grass-fed animals. > > From http://www.sbwise.com/ingredients/magnesium.htm: > " Approximately 60 percent of the total magnesium in > the body is found in the bones, 26 percent in the > muscles, and the remainder in soft tissues and body > fluids. The tissues with the highest magnesium > concentration are the brain, heart, liver, and kidney " > > So, maybe bone broth is a good source. However, from > the next quote it appears that bone broth may not be > such a good source. And maybe it explains the > recommendation to remove fat from the broth. " Factors > that inhibit magnesium absorption include excess fat > and protein consumption, cod liver oil, phytates > (found in grains and cereal), and oxalic acid (found > in spinach and rhubarb) " . > > From the following quote you can see how it's > important to have well functioning adrenals: " The > adrenal hormone aldosterone regulates the rate of > magnesium excretion through the kidneys. " > > Roman > > Roman, have you info regarding the numbers of enzymes in a well functioning body? Like any websites with this info? There must be about a million if each one is identified. TIA, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 --- dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote: > Roman, have you info regarding the numbers of > enzymes in a well > functioning body? Like any websites with this info? > There must be > about a million if each one is identified. TIA, > Dennis > No, Dennis, I don't. But http://www.painstresscenter.com/mall/DigestiveEnz-Wob-Acid.asp says the number is about 3000. Roman __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 At 08:20 PM 4/11/02 -0700, you wrote: >I've read that milk contains very little magnesium. >But maybe it wasn't from grass-fed animals. > There is some magnesium in milk. Dairy case lights destroy it in clear containers. Its not listed on them but the cardboard half gallons list it. Wanita Wanita If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. - Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 >>>>I'm not going to eat or drink wheat grass, but do you know that milk from cows eating it is rich in magnesium? I am getting raw dairy from 100% grass-fed Jersey cows now. Is that enough? Just an FYI, some grasses (at the unjointed stage) *far* exceed many vegetables in nutrient density. For example, there is 52,000 IU carotene in 100 g of wheat and barley grass as compared to 1,000 IU in kale or 8,000 IUs in spinach. Another example, there's 224.7 mgs magnesium in 100 g grass, 98 mgs in 100 g spinach, 14 mgs in 100 gs milk, and 11 mgs in 100 gs tomatoes. Finally, there's 8,880 mgs potassium in 100 gs grass, but only 348 mgs in 100 gs bananas, and 160 mgs in 100 gs milk. Note, these values will vary depending on soil fertility, and the milk is likely commercial. I have a comparison chart from the Wysong company that I can upload to the files section if anyone's interested. I'm not a big eater, and I feel that I don't eat enough vegetables in one day to meet my nutrient needs, so I add some organic powdered grasses to my morning shake, and I have to say the shakes I've been doing lately are absolutely delicious. But, if I put too much grass in, it does get a malty/grassy taste. Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Suze- >Just an FYI, some grasses (at the unjointed stage) *far* exceed many >vegetables in nutrient density. True, but are we really meant (and able) to eat grass? Ruminants, which evolved on grass, have multiple stomachs and a VERY different digestive system. Since our digestive tracts can't handle them, I don't think it's a good idea to eat them. Their nutrition probably isn't very available to us and they'll cause bowel disease and other problems. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Wanita- >Dairy case lights destroy it in clear >containers. Its not listed on them but the cardboard half gallons list it. How does light destroy the magnesium? Does it break down the magnesium compounds into metallic magnesium or something so that it's not absorbable? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 >>>>Just an FYI, some grasses (at the unjointed stage) *far* exceed many >vegetables in nutrient density. >>>>>True, but are we really meant (and able) to eat grass? ****I dunno... are we 'meant' to eat spinach? kale? lettuce? etc? I don't eat 'whole' grass, but rather 'powdered' so don't need a rumin to process it. It may not be the most 'natural' thing in the world, but since I just can't eat the amount of vegetables it would take to get the same amount of nutrients, I think it's a reasonable addendum to my diet. >>>>Since our digestive tracts can't handle them, I don't think it's a good idea to eat them. Their nutrition probably isn't very available to us and they'll cause bowel disease and other problems. ***Are you speaking of 'whole' grass, or powdered? Or both? If I'm not mistaken, dr. schulze has had great success returning 'very' sick folks to health in part with his superfood that contains a good amount of powdered grasses. Anyway, I'm not arguing that powdered grasses are 'natural' or 'right' for humans, they *are* more nutrient-dense than many (or most or all?) vegetables, and make for a better addendum to my diet than a synthetic vitamin would, IMO. But, if there's some evidence that they 'cause' bowel disease and other problems, I'd like to read it - maybe I'll remove them from my diet if I find they're detrimental. Do you have any URLs that might provide more info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 At 07:28 AM 4/12/02 -0400, you wrote: >Wanita- > >>Dairy case lights destroy it in clear >>containers. Its not listed on them but the cardboard half gallons list it. > >How does light destroy the magnesium? Does it break down the magnesium >compounds into metallic magnesium or something so that it's not absorbable? >- , I read this many years ago and don't remember where. Didn't say what it was altered to just that it was destroyed. It missing from plastic, light penetrable ingredient list and included on cardboard, non penetratable ingredients backed it up for me that that was the case. Wanita Wanita If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. - Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Suze- >I dunno... are we 'meant' to eat spinach? kale? lettuce? etc? To whatever degree our digestive systems can extract nutrition from them without us suffering any harm -- IOW to whatever degree we're adapted to them -- yes. >Are you speaking of 'whole' grass, or powdered? Or both? If I'm not >mistaken, dr. schulze has had great success returning 'very' sick folks to >health in part with his superfood that contains a good amount of powdered >grasses. I'm not sure how much of a difference being powdered makes, actually. While I suppose the process cracks the cell walls, isn't there still going to be a lot of indigestible starch in the grass? Humans just aren't grazers, so I just don't think grass formed part of our natural diet except as an occasional emetic or purgative. As to Dr. Schulze's experience, there are two possibilities as I see it. First, I'm wrong and his Superfood is a healthy supplement. Or second, I'm right and it's a double-edged sword -- it provides a lot of nutrition, but also slowly damages the system so that while it's initially helpful, over time it's harmful. >they *are* more nutrient-dense than many (or most or all?) >vegetables, They are more nutrient-dense, but that doesn't matter to us if we can't absorb the nutrients. >But, if there's some evidence that they 'cause' bowel disease and other >problems, I'd like to read it - maybe I'll remove them from my diet if I >find they're detrimental. Do you have any URLs that might provide more info? I'd recommend reading _Breaking The Vicious Cycle_ over any URLs I'm presently aware of. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 - >NOTHING tastes worse to me than wheatgrass juice! Amen to that! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 - >For what it's >worth, coconut milk is a much better source of magnesium at approximately >0.23 mg/KCal. Unfortunately, I just can't seem to find a good coconut milk, so I'll have to wait until Tropical Traditions introduces theirs. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > Unfortunately, I just can't seem to find a good coconut milk, so I'll have > to wait until Tropical Traditions introduces theirs. What are you looking for in a coconut milk that you're not finding? I've found many that are just coconut milk and water... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 >From: Wanita Sears <wanitawa@...> > >How does light destroy the magnesium? Does it break down the magnesium > >compounds into metallic magnesium or something so that it's not >absorbable? >I read this many years ago and don't remember where. Didn't say what it was >altered to just that it was destroyed. It missing from plastic, light >penetrable ingredient list and included on cardboard, non penetratable >ingredients backed it up for me that that was the case. Are you sure it's Magnesium? There are some other vitamins in milk which are destroyed by light, but Magnesium is a chemical element and cannot be destroyed chemically. A nuclear reaction could convert it to another element, but those typically don't occur in refrigerators. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 - >What are you looking for in a coconut milk that you're not finding? I've >found many that are just coconut milk and water... I can't seem to find any that only contain coconut milk and water anymore. Thai Kitchen reformulated and relabeled theirs (though it seems like they may have always been using some guar gum) but the taste has also gone dramatically downhill. I've also found that the occasional can of original TK milk I still find on the market is solid, like hydrogenated lard, and has an off smell. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > - > > >NOTHING tastes worse to me than wheatgrass juice! > > Amen to that! > > > > > - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and , you're wakin' me up! Where did you get it? I'm betting you had processed not raw, fresh, real. Am I right? I'll even give you odds. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > >From: Wanita Sears <wanitawa@b...> > > > >How does light destroy the magnesium? Does it break down the magnesium > > >compounds into metallic magnesium or something so that it's not > >absorbable? > >I read this many years ago and don't remember where. Didn't say what it was > >altered to just that it was destroyed. It missing from plastic, light > >penetrable ingredient list and included on cardboard, non penetratable > >ingredients backed it up for me that that was the case. > > Are you sure it's Magnesium? There are some other vitamins in milk which are > destroyed by light, but Magnesium is a chemical element and cannot be > destroyed chemically. A nuclear reaction could convert it to another > element, but those typically don't occur in refrigerators. > > _________________________________________________________________ > , check out dihydrogen monoxide site. There may be a clue there! Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 At 09:31 PM 4/12/02 +0000, wrote: >Are you sure it's Magnesium? There are some other vitamins in milk which are >destroyed by light, but Magnesium is a chemical element and cannot be >destroyed chemically. A nuclear reaction could convert it to another >element, but those typically don't occur in refrigerators. I'm sure its magnesium as its what I had the most symptoms of deficiency at the time so I followed it up by buying cardboard containers of milk. May have been fluorescent lighting though. Anyway its a good idea to keep your milk in the dark. Been a long day and I was bad and didn't bring my lunch. :-( Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > I can't seem to find any that only contain coconut milk and water > anymore. Thai Kitchen reformulated and relabeled theirs (though it seems > like they may have always been using some guar gum) but the taste has also > gone dramatically downhill. I've also found that the occasional can of > original TK milk I still find on the market is solid, like hydrogenated > lard, and has an off smell. , Keep an eye out for Port Arthur or Hokan brands, I'm pretty sure they're both still just water and coconut. Also, if you have any asian, polynesian, or indian markets nearby, try looking at the imported stuff they have there. Thai Kitchen is marketing to ignorant yuppies (nothing against yuppies in general, I'm quite certain that I strongly qualify as one of them) who are probably turned off by the separation in the can. To the average person, the can with the creamy smooth largely unseparated contents is going to understandably seem higher in quality than the gloppy inconsistent lumpy can. I have no trouble finding plain coconut milk around here. Granted, we have some fairly concentrated indian and south asian immigrant communities here, but I can get Hokan brand at my neighborhood grocery (no immigrants anywhere to be seen in my hood). The upscale groceries in the area all carry Port Arthur brand in addition to Thai Kitchen. Maybe there's something to be said about our little " flyover " cities... :-) Minneapolis, MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 Dennis- >Where did you >get it? I'm betting you had processed not raw, fresh, real. Am I >right? I'll even give you odds. Fresh-made at a health-food store. I watched them feed the wheat grass through the juicer into a cup which I had a couple sips from. My god, I'd rather face a firing squad or eat raw kidneys! <g> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > - > > >For what it's > >worth, coconut milk is a much better source of magnesium at approximately > >0.23 mg/KCal. > > Unfortunately, I just can't seem to find a good coconut milk, so I'll have > to wait until Tropical Traditions introduces theirs. > > > > > - , Do you cook it since it's plant material? Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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