RE: Re: where is food grown on fertile soils?

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In a message dated 4/24/2002 5:22:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Since I started getting grass-fed stuff last year, and only recently found

> a source of raw dairy from Jersey cows rather than Holsteins, I don't

> really know what to expect. How yellow should the butter be at this time

> of year? The farm I'm getting dairy from feeds their cows hay during the

> winter and pastures them for the rest of the year, and they recently

> started pasturing the cows. The butter is somewhat yellower than before,

> but it's hardly a bright yellow -- but then again it's still early in the

> season, and I don't know exactly what to expect, color-wise.

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Expect psychedelic, that's what we have.

Belinda

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In a message dated 4/24/2002 6:05:09 PM Central Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Belinda-

>

> >Expect psychedelic, that's what we have.

>

> Can you give me some kind of guide? Like, as yellow as a school bus? As

> yellow as corn kernels? I'm thinking the butter I'm getting isn't yellow

> enough, but I'm really not sure.

>

>

Dandelions, real egg's yolks, school bus is good. The color fades as the

rains leave during the summer. If we have rain then the color stays a bit

more but Spring is the best.

Belinda

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In a message dated 4/24/2002 9:07:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

ynos@... writes:

> Hi :

> Don't expect the butter to be yellow in the winter. The cows need to

> be back on grass to see how yellow the butter gets.

> In his chapter on activator X, Price talked about a dairy herd in

> Texas that was on high soil fertility. In the winter, their butter

> was white, but when the cows went back on green grass the butter went

> through different shades of yellow until it was a brilliant yellow.

> Price found the nutritional value of the butter also varied, with the

> white butter of little nutritional value, and the brilliant yellow

> butter of the highest nutritional value and suitable for producing

> his butter oil for his clinical experiments.

> So you should be able to judge the maximum nutritional value of your

> milk and butter when the butter reaches whatever its peak yellow

> color is.

> Chi

Chi,

Does this mean that the white butter I make from goat's cream is not as good

nutritionally as cow's butter while they are on the same pasture?

Belinda

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Chi-

>I think his soil

>fertility is good, but could still be better as his butter is yellow

>in season, not pale yellow but not brilliant yellow either.

Since I started getting grass-fed stuff last year, and only recently found

a source of raw dairy from Jersey cows rather than Holsteins, I don't

really know what to expect. How yellow should the butter be at this time

of year? The farm I'm getting dairy from feeds their cows hay during the

winter and pastures them for the rest of the year, and they recently

started pasturing the cows. The butter is somewhat yellower than before,

but it's hardly a bright yellow -- but then again it's still early in the

season, and I don't know exactly what to expect, color-wise.

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[Guest guest]

> Since I started getting grass-fed stuff last year, and only recently found

> a source of raw dairy from Jersey cows rather than Holsteins, I don't

> really know what to expect. How yellow should the butter be at this time

> of year?

Yes, that's an excellent question. What did Price mean by brilliant yellow

butter? I would imagine just about any yellow would have seemed brilliant

back then when everything was in black and white... ;-)

Time to call it a day; I'm starting to get too silly for my own good...

[Guest guest]

Belinda-

>Expect psychedelic, that's what we have.

Can you give me some kind of guide? Like, as yellow as a school bus? As

yellow as corn kernels? I'm thinking the butter I'm getting isn't yellow

enough, but I'm really not sure.

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[Guest guest]

>>>>Since I started getting grass-fed stuff last year, and only recently

found

a source of raw dairy from Jersey cows rather than Holsteins, I don't

really know what to expect. How yellow should the butter be at this time

of year? The farm I'm getting dairy from feeds their cows hay during the

winter and pastures them for the rest of the year, and they recently

started pasturing the cows. The butter is somewhat yellower than before,

but it's hardly a bright yellow -- but then again it's still early in the

season, and I don't know exactly what to expect, color-wise.

***, I am not chi, and he can probably answer this better than I, but I

thought I'd pipe up anyhow. He, or someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe the yellow pigment comes from beta carotene, which is probably not

present in great quantities in hay. OTOH, young grass, before the jointing

stage is LOADED with beta carotene. So, I'd expect the butter would start

getting much yellower when the cows begin grazing on young grasses.

Suze Fisher

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Belinda-

>Does this mean that the white butter I make from goat's cream is not as good

>nutritionally as cow's butter while they are on the same pasture?

Actually, it may be that your goat butter is *more* nutritious than the cow

butter. The yellow color is from carotenes, which cows fail to entirely

turn into vitamin A, but goats turn all the carotene into vitamin A. Since

humans have a fairly low conversion rate themselves, you're at least

getting more vitamin A from goat butter.

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Chi-

>Don't expect the butter to be yellow in the winter. The cows need to

>be back on grass to see how yellow the butter gets.

My raw Jersey butter has been pale yellow through the winter -- not white,

but definitely not a rich or dark or bright yellow. The butter I just got,

the first since they started grazing, is somewhat brighter, but I suppose

it might take a few weeks to see how yellow it will get. Unfortunately,

with raw dairy being illegal and/or difficult in so many places, I don't

know how many options I really have even if this butter turns out to be

pale through the summer.

>Price found the nutritional value of the butter also varied, with the

>white butter of little nutritional value, and the brilliant yellow

>butter of the highest nutritional value and suitable for producing

>his butter oil for his clinical experiments.

" Little value " is kind of discouraging, but I guess it's pretty common

nowadays.

Thanks for the info.

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In a message dated 4/25/2002 9:51:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

skroyer@... writes:

> > Dandelions, real egg's yolks, school bus is good. The color fades as the

> > rains leave during the summer. If we have rain then the color stays a bit

>

> > more but Spring is the best.

>

> Those of us who are more in the north probably wouldn't see that color in

> any case until June...right?

>

I figure you'd see them earlier than that. When the new grass begins to grow,

dandelions begin to flower ... you know...SPRING!!! <G>

Belinda

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>>>>Belinda-

>Does this mean that the white butter I make from goat's cream is not as

good

>nutritionally as cow's butter while they are on the same pasture?

>>>>>Actually, it may be that your goat butter is *more* nutritious than the

cow

butter. The yellow color is from carotenes, which cows fail to entirely

turn into vitamin A, but goats turn all the carotene into vitamin A. Since

humans have a fairly low conversion rate themselves, you're at least

getting more vitamin A from goat butter.

***, I don't think I'd agree that goat butter is *more* nutritious

*because* it contains more vitamin A and less beta carotene than cow butter,

because beta carotene has important biological roles in humans, too. One

function is that it has a protective effect against skin cancer. I think as

long as someone's getting enough vit A in the diet, then beta carotene-rich

cow milk is just as nutritious as vit A-rich goat milk.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

> Dandelions, real egg's yolks, school bus is good. The color fades as the

> rains leave during the summer. If we have rain then the color stays a bit

> more but Spring is the best.

Those of us who are more in the north probably wouldn't see that color in

any case until June...right?

[Guest guest]

> Actually, it may be that your goat butter is *more* nutritious than the

cow

> butter. The yellow color is from carotenes, which cows fail to entirely

> turn into vitamin A, but goats turn all the carotene into vitamin A.

Since

> humans have a fairly low conversion rate themselves, you're at least

> getting more vitamin A from goat butter.

That's actually a non sequitor. It may in fact be true, but we shouldn't

assume that it is. Just because goats don't secrete beta-carotene in their

milk doesn't mean that they're fully converting all of the beta carotene

they consume or even absorb.

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> I figure you'd see them earlier than that. When the new grass begins to

grow,

> dandelions begin to flower ... you know...SPRING!!! <G>

Yeah, but I'm in Minnesota, so that can often be as late as late may or

early june. :-(

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>That's actually a non sequitor. It may in fact be true, but we shouldn't

>assume that it is. Just because goats don't secrete beta-carotene in their

>milk doesn't mean that they're fully converting all of the beta carotene

>they consume or even absorb.

I wasn't concluding that goats fully convert the beta carotene into vitamin

A just from the color of their milk, but it's been stated here numerous

times by many people, so I assumed it's true that vitamin A levels in goat

milk are much higher than in cow's milk.

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Suze-

>, I don't think I'd agree that goat butter is *more* nutritious

>*because* it contains more vitamin A and less beta carotene than cow butter,

>because beta carotene has important biological roles in humans, too. One

>function is that it has a protective effect against skin cancer. I think as

>long as someone's getting enough vit A in the diet, then beta carotene-rich

>cow milk is just as nutritious as vit A-rich goat milk.

Is beta carotene's protective role just a function of it being a precursor

to vitamin A, or have they found actual specific uses of beta carotene

itself in the body?

As to your other point, I'd imagine you're right -- as long as someone's

getting enough vitamin A, the vitamin A content of goat milk versus cow

milk probably isn't significant -- but since WAP found that healthy people

consumed lots more fat-soluble vitamins than average Americans did, I'd

image goat milk might be very helpful to a lot of us.

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