RE: drastic diet change update

[Guest guest]

To detox the fastest, try all raw. But if you can't do that, I'd at

least do Henry Bieler's diet: raw milk, raw eggs, rare beef/lamb,

large salads(emphasize cucumber, celery, zucchini), and lightly

steamed veggies slathered in butter. If it were me, I'd avoid any

sort of grains at all for a little while. Some nuts might be OK.

You need to focus on digestion (eating above diet is good), and your

liver function: eat as much raw food as possible (try to include raw

liver if you can), dandelion leaves and roots are excellent (make a

tea), juicing the above veggies would be great too. I would avoid

all sweetners for a long time also.

just my 2 cents which has worked miracles for me!,

Becky

> I read a thread today but lost it before I could catch it that

carbo-loading is

> for the birds and it takes a while to adjust to another form of

intake for

> fuel, what was that?

> How long is a little while to adjust to a lean mean fighting

machine without

> wheat?

> It seem I have come quite use to running on it and now there is a

big whole in

> my get up and go, and I have to have it to do just what has to be

done.

> I'm not talking a trip to Tibet to climb mountians, I am moving

into the

> busiest time of the year and need a fix to get me through the day.

> Meat seems to be ok but doesn't last to long. The fatter the better

as always

> for me, but we are low on fatty cuts.

> If I ever see Betty Crocker on the street I'm going to strangle

her, my youth

> was wasted on eating her white cake and canned frosting and look

where it got

> me.

> Anybody up for a class action law suit?

> Maybe in the next life..

> Thanks in advance

> Tim Clearview

[Guest guest]

At 11:18 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>How long is a little while to adjust to a lean mean fighting machine without

>wheat?

If you have a damaged gut, it takes up to a year to heal. My son's

allergist pretty much said anyone with a wheat allergy has gut damage, but

I didn't have time to question him on that. ( tested positive for

wheat allergy on a skin test).

I follow the Celiac list, and they all have pretty much the same problem.

If the gut is damaged, all the starches and some of the sugars can cause

problems for a lot of people (the SCDiet issue), although they are not the

root cause of the damage. But probiotics work wonders!!!!! Now that I have

my own kimchi I'm eating it with every meal, but I was taking probiotic

pills before that. If you digest fats ok, fattier meals are easier to

digest (they coat the food and make it less reactive). Lactose is very

often a problem for the first year or two.

The only starches I can handle without problems are masa (corn tortillas),

rice, and Tinkyada pasta. The Tinkyada pasta is enzymatically processed, so

even though it is brown rice it's not hard to digest. Also, watch out for

rice -- the " enriched " kind that is sold in the US often has gluten.

>It seem I have come quite use to running on it and now there is a big whole in

>my get up and go, and I have to have it to do just what has to be done.

>I'm not talking a trip to Tibet to climb mountians, I am moving into the

>busiest time of the year and need a fix to get me through the day.

>Meat seems to be ok but doesn't last to long. The fatter the better as always

>for me, but we are low on fatty cuts.

Peanut butter apples work for me, but it's hard to find peanut butter

without Canola oil in it! Also goat cheese on rice crackers (the rice

crackers I get aren't great, I'm working on making my own).

>If I ever see Betty Crocker on the street I'm going to strangle her, my youth

>was wasted on eating her white cake and canned frosting and look where it got

>me.

I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally figure

out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary staple in

life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I can't figure

out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the bottom! Let's

sue the govmt!

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

> Peanut butter apples work for me, but it's hard to find peanut butter

> without Canola oil in it! Also goat cheese on rice crackers (the rice

> crackers I get aren't great, I'm working on making my own).

If you have access to a Whole Foods, they have a product called something

like WholeKids Peanut Butter. It is essentially natural organic peanut

butter with palm oil to prevent separation and a small amount of sugar to

prevent child-whining. The sugar is unfortunate, but the palm oil is

brilliant. It gives the peanut butter a much more 'normal' texture while

improving it's shelf-life and providing some lauric fatty acid.

[Guest guest]

At 12:54 PM 5/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> > Peanut butter apples work for me, but it's hard to find peanut butter

> > without Canola oil in it! Also goat cheese on rice crackers (the rice

> > crackers I get aren't great, I'm working on making my own).

>

>If you have access to a Whole Foods, they have a product called something

>like WholeKids Peanut Butter. It is essentially natural organic peanut

>butter with palm oil to prevent separation and a small amount of sugar to

>prevent child-whining. The sugar is unfortunate, but the palm oil is

>brilliant. It gives the peanut butter a much more 'normal' texture while

>improving it's shelf-life and providing some lauric fatty acid.

>

>

THANKS!!!!!

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote:

>

> I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally figure

> out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary staple in

> life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I can't figure

> out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the bottom! Let's

> sue the govmt!

If you write it I'll buy a copy! In hard cover, even!

AP

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[Guest guest]

At 06:48 PM 5/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> > I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally figure

> > out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary staple in

> > life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I can't figure

> > out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the bottom! Let's

> > sue the govmt!

>

>If you write it I'll buy a copy! In hard cover, even!

>

>

>AP

>--

If I write it I'll post it on our website ... free even. It could be really

interesting, the site is mainly for programmers, who generally subsist on

twinkies and donuts (present company excepted) ... not that it would change

much. Our last conference it turns out half of them smoke (much to the

sinus displeasure of the rest of us!).

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

At 07:45 AM 5/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally

>figure out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary

>staple in life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I

>can't figure out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the

>bottom! Let's sue the govmt!

>

>

>Heidi Schuppenhauer

>Trillium Custom Software Inc.

>heidis@...

Heidi,

This statement on the web site of Cereal Food Processors, Inc., America's

largest independent flour milling company and the fourth largest of all

flour milling operations in the United States, will explain how we got the

food pyramid:

http://www.cerealfood.com/pyramid.htm

In summary it is an extra 7 billion dollars a year.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they

finally

> >figure out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our

primary

> >staple in life and causes national panic ... the more I read the

more I

> >can't figure out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains

on the

> >bottom! Let's sue the govmt!

> >

> >

> >Heidi Schuppenhauer

> >Trillium Custom Software Inc.

> >heidis@t...

>

> Heidi,

> This statement on the web site of Cereal Food Processors, Inc.,

America's

> largest independent flour milling company and the fourth largest of

all

> flour milling operations in the United States, will explain how we

got the

> food pyramid:

>

> http://www.cerealfood.com/pyramid.htm

>

> In summary it is an extra 7 billion dollars a year.

Alec, I imagine they spend some of that to sway the farm bill authors

so they can " buy " raw materials cheaper while the taxpayers pay some

of the subsidy. It's a big loop it seems to me and the farmer is

barely in it. Regards, Dennis

[Guest guest]

At 07:31 PM 5/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally

> >figure out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary

> >staple in life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I

> >can't figure out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the

> >bottom! Let's sue the govmt!

> >

> >

> >Heidi Schuppenhauer

> >Trillium Custom Software Inc.

> >heidis@...

>

>Heidi,

>This statement on the web site of Cereal Food Processors, Inc., America's

>largest independent flour milling company and the fourth largest of all

>flour milling operations in the United States, will explain how we got the

>food pyramid:

>

><http://www.cerealfood.com/pyramid.htm>http://www.cerealfood.com/pyramid.htm

>

>In summary it is an extra 7 billion dollars a year.

Thanks! You made my day!

(And congress just passed a big ol' farm bill today that benefits, I hear,

mostly the big producers of soy, wheat, and corn, so I guess I'm

subsidizing all that grain they are making the extra 7 billion off of).

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

Have you tried either Maranatha(1-800-299-0048) or East Wind peanut

butter? Neither would have sugar or added oils...Available from

health food stores and food co-ops (less expensive especially if you

buy in bulk).

Tesh

> > > Peanut butter apples work for me, but it's hard to find peanut

butter

> > > without Canola oil in it! Also goat cheese on rice crackers

(the rice

> > > crackers I get aren't great, I'm working on making my own).

> >

> >If you have access to a Whole Foods, they have a product called

something

> >like WholeKids Peanut Butter. It is essentially natural organic

peanut

> >butter with palm oil to prevent separation and a small amount of

sugar to

> >prevent child-whining. The sugar is unfortunate, but the palm oil

is

> >brilliant. It gives the peanut butter a much more 'normal'

texture while

> >improving it's shelf-life and providing some lauric fatty acid.

> >

> >

>

> THANKS!!!!!

>

>

>

>

>

> Heidi Schuppenhauer

> Trillium Custom Software Inc.

> heidis@t...

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

I'd add faux fats and processed sugar to that. Really sucks to find out the

truth that you have been poisoned when you were taught to be trusting or were

too young to question change. Am mad as a hornet right now as I watch the

doctor amputating my mother's legs piece by piece due to the vascular damage

from diabetes and my father in law in a nursing home with diabetic neuropathy

so intense he can barely stop shaking well enough to feed himself. They both

enjoy eating which up until the last 40 years or so meant prolonging and

adding

quality to life. Why should anyone young, elderly or in between have to risk

their lives by sitting down to a meal? Corporate class action seems to be the

crime of this century. It surely will trickle down through the economics.

Wanita

>At 07:31 PM 5/2/2002 -0700, Heidi wrote:

>> >I was thinking on writing a science fiction story where they finally

>> >figure out what's poisoning America and it turns out to be our primary

>> >staple in life and causes national panic ... the more I read the more I

>> >can't figure out HOW they got that silly " food pyramid " with grains on the

>> >bottom! Let's sue the govmt!

[Guest guest]

>>>> Am mad as a hornet right now as I watch the

doctor amputating my mother's legs piece by piece due to the vascular damage

from diabetes and my father in law in a nursing home with diabetic

neuropathy

so intense he can barely stop shaking well enough to feed himself.

***Wanita, just an FYI, but lipoic acid has been very helpful in treating

diabetic neuropathy in a number of people. I supplement myself and my dogs

with it regularly. It's also a powerful antioxidant - both water- and

fat-soluble, and is great at supporting/healing the liver as well.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

At 10:05 PM 5/3/02 -0400, Suze wrote:

>>>>> Am mad as a hornet right now as I watch the

>doctor amputating my mother's legs piece by piece due to the vascular damage

>from diabetes and my father in law in a nursing home with diabetic

>neuropathy

>so intense he can barely stop shaking well enough to feed himself.

>

>***Wanita, just an FYI, but lipoic acid has been very helpful in treating

>diabetic neuropathy in a number of people. I supplement myself and my dogs

>with it regularly. It's also a powerful antioxidant - both water- and

>fat-soluble, and is great at supporting/healing the liver as well.

>

Thanks, Suze but I doubt the nursing home/doctor would allow it. About a month

ago an x ray found an aneurysm in his lung.The family was told when it goes he

goes. It won't be diabetes that takes his life.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

At 09:41 PM 5/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Heidi,

>

>I'd add faux fats and processed sugar to that. Really sucks to find out the

>truth that you have been poisoned when you were taught to be trusting or were

>too young to question change. Am mad as a hornet right now as I watch the

>doctor amputating my mother's legs piece by piece due to the vascular damage

>from diabetes and my father in law in a nursing home with diabetic neuropathy

>so intense he can barely stop shaking well enough to feed himself. They both

>enjoy eating which up until the last 40 years or so meant prolonging and

>adding

>quality to life. Why should anyone young, elderly or in between have to risk

>their lives by sitting down to a meal? Corporate class action seems to be the

>crime of this century. It surely will trickle down through the economics.

It probably already is in the economics ... there is a HUGE medical cost to

these avoidable diseases. Those costs, due to our great medical system are

mostly borne by the individual and the insurance companies and businesses,

while the folks in government get their input (and re-election dollars)

from the food industry.

Ironically enough, the diseases that USED to kill people a lot have rather

cheap solutions (like better sanitation to avoid typhoid). But diabetes is

really, really heartbreaking and is getting to be an epidemic. Your

situation has got to be a hard one!

But they do get the kids started young, and you are right, they are

trusting. They are teaching the " food pyramid " in my daughter's school now,

and the teacher is buying it hook line and sinker (she may be a vegetarian

too, or close to it). Anyway, they are serving puffed sugared corn cereal

for their " healthy snack " , which my daughter had the chutzpah to get up and

say " that's not healthy! " , and now they are serving more fresh fruit. But

serving a sugared powdered carb, with no balancing fats or protein to boot,

is the quickest way to ruin a person's blood sugar! The teacher would not

let her eat her sausage that I had packed for a snack because the teacher

figures meat isn't healthy.

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

At 10:58 PM 5/3/02 -0700, Heidi wrote:

The teacher would not

>let her eat her sausage that I had packed for a snack because the teacher

>figures meat isn't healthy.

Did you complain, Heidi? I would. With your celiac and your daughter's

susceptibilty to it the teacher/school needs an education to the dangers of

what they teach/believe.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>>>> The teacher would not

let her eat her sausage that I had packed for a snack because the teacher

figures meat isn't healthy.

****Hunh??!! " Would not let...?? " Oh no, no, no - not acceptable!!! Oh boy

that irks me!! She had no right to shove foods that lead to degenerative

diseases down her throat and deny her healthy foods! Grrr....that really

pisses me off!!!

(Big deep breath....breathe out....) OK, i'm calm now....what did you do,

Heidi?

P.S. I'm a former teacher who used candy in an award system i had set up for

my fifth graders (out of ignorance, of course). I'm so ashamed!!! But would

never have denied a student a food their parent packed for them. Wish i'd

had a parent like you who could've helped educate me about nutrition...

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

hi, heidi--

> The teacher would not let her eat her sausage that I had packed for

a snack because the teacher figures meat isn't healthy.<

what kind of school is this? even when i taught in a public school,

we didn't have that kind of power; and the parents are too powerful

in private ones....?????

please, tell me that you raised a major stink

allene, in shock

[Guest guest]

At 07:38 AM 5/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>The teacher would not

> >let her eat her sausage that I had packed for a snack because the teacher

> >figures meat isn't healthy.

>

>Did you complain, Heidi? I would. With your celiac and your daughter's

>susceptibilty to it the teacher/school needs an education to the dangers of

>what they teach/believe.

>Wanita

Oh yeah, I complained! When I talked to her she backed down immediately and

said of course it would be ok for Frances to have sausage, but none of the

other kids, because sausage in general was bad. I asked her why it would be

bad (other than nitrates, which I'm getting around by making my own) but

she didn't really answer, just something about, well, all that meat. On

field trips she lives mostly on raw veggies (no meat, no starch). So it's a

major philosophical gulf.

It's a very small (6 kids) private school, and they need a MAJOR teaching

lesson, but Frances is changing schools next year and it doesn't seem worth

the fight (I'm already busy fighting with ' doctors over HIS diet!).

The owner has an autistic kid that is more or less gfcf, but still feeds

him plenty of sugar, and the other kid now has been diagnosed with ADD of

some sort so needs special teaching, which is why the school is closing. I

talked to the owner's husband at a party, and he really didn't like the

amount of junk food they were eating or how often they ate out (Mcs)

but he didn't see how there was any alternative, they don't have time for

anything else. He said I should write a cookbook on how to eat healthy and

actually make meals with today's lifestyle. Which is exactly what my sister

says. And since I DO spend a huge amount of time in the kitchen nowadays,

it's difficult to argue: I certainly have not " arrived " myself. So I just

pack my own kid's lunch.

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

At 05:34 PM 5/4/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>hi, heidi--

>

> > The teacher would not let her eat her sausage that I had packed for

>a snack because the teacher figures meat isn't healthy.<

>

>what kind of school is this? even when i taught in a public school,

>we didn't have that kind of power; and the parents are too powerful

>in private ones....?????

Schools are a lot different than when you and I went to school, which was

32 years ago for me. I graduated from the famous Santana. For example you

may think zero tolerance applies only to guns and knives. Well that is

wrong. My daughter was sent to the Vice Principals office because she wore

a hat to school - BECAUSE IT WAS RAINING - HELLOO It's freaking

raining. Way back 32 years ago when I went to school girls were not

allowed to wear pants or jeans to school (but micro mini skirts were OK if

that makes sense). But the no pants rules was ignored on cold days (well

when it gets below 60 here in San Diego we think we are dying). Have you

heard that now a school less than 20 miles from here was conducting

underwear checks? The vice Principal (a female) was pulling up the skirts

of girls entering a school dance to inspect for " appropriate

underwear " . Her excuse was that last year a girl exposed herself on the

dance floor - not clear if it was accidental while being spun around while

dancing or deliberate. So to prevent a girl form possibly exposing herself

this genius exposes all the girls entering the dance. There was a crowd of

boys gathered around watching the underwear checks. With all this insanity

in schools I am not at all surprised they are now checking school lunches

for politically correct food. While at the same time allowing soft drink

soda machines on campus because the schools are raking in thousands of

dollars. Remember our government still considers sugar harmless but a

speck of fat could kill you.

[Guest guest]

At 05:34 PM 5/4/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>hi, heidi--

>

> > The teacher would not let her eat her sausage that I had packed for

>a snack because the teacher figures meat isn't healthy.<

>

>what kind of school is this? even when i taught in a public school,

>we didn't have that kind of power; and the parents are too powerful

>in private ones....?????

>

>please, tell me that you raised a major stink

It's a private school, and in general they are doing a great job with her.

But being very small, it also is rather informal. They have a " class snack "

in the morning, provided by the school, and Frances asked the teacher to

replace it with her own, because she wanted to avoid wheat (this was on her

own doing, I didn't know about it!). Frances is 7, and doesn't really know

what has wheat and what doesn't, but she figured all cereals have wheat,

and since I was avoiding it, she should too. But she decided that a candy

bar would make a great snack (since the chocolate didn't have wheat), so

the teacher told her it had to be a " healthy " snack -- which is about the

time I even found out about all this. So I started packing what I figured

were healthy snacks: I.e. something with some protein in it, which was my

Mom's definition. I was a hypoglycemic kid, and would actually pass out on

occasion, so Mom REALLY insisted on protein with every meal (cheese, nuts,

meat).

Anyway, the teacher did back down, but still obviously doesn't like meat

much -- really, they'll do whatever the parent wants, but the teacher

didn't have any input from me and figured it was Frances' initiative. I'm

kind of proud of Frances for taking so much on her own, and even being

interested, though obviously she has more learning to do to (I never told

her a chocolate bar was a healthy snack either!).

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

At 01:34 PM 5/4/02 -0700, Alec wrote:

Way back 32 years ago when I went to school girls were not

>allowed to wear pants or jeans to school (but micro mini skirts were OK if

>that makes sense). But the no pants rules was ignored on cold days (well

>when it gets below 60 here in San Diego we think we are dying).

ROTFL (rolling on the floor laughing ) Do I remember that! We couldn't wear

pants till high school. By the time we got to 7th and 8th grade we weren't

going to wear snowpants in the New England winter recesses. One day there

was a

king on the mountain thing at recess on the parking lot snowbank. Some boys

pushed some girls over and there was exposure. The principal our 8th grade

teacher called all the girls inside and called us all s*u*s. Pants were

allowed

for recess after that. The boys were not spoken to at all. Our perverted old

bus driver would turn to watch girls in shorter skirts walk up the bus stairs.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/5/2002 1:26:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

me@... writes:

> >P.S. I'm a former teacher who used candy in an award system i had set up

> >for my fifth graders (out of ignorance, of course). I'm so ashamed!!! But

> >would never have denied a student a food their parent packed for them.

> >Wish i'd had a parent like you who could've helped educate me about

> >nutrition...

>

> OK, here is a dilemma. My kids are now adults (no not the goats). But when

>

> they were in Brownies, Girl Scouts, Soccer, High School, they would sell

> cookies or candy bars to raise money. Now having been a parent to one of

> those little hucksters, what do I say to them now when they try to sell me

> that poison? It is hard to say no to those little kids.

>

Buy a box from each little huckster, bring them to work and you'll have the

kids loving you as well as your co-workers?

Belinda

[Guest guest]

At 08:25 AM 5/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>P.S. I'm a former teacher who used candy in an award system i had set up

>for my fifth graders (out of ignorance, of course). I'm so ashamed!!! But

>would never have denied a student a food their parent packed for them.

>Wish i'd had a parent like you who could've helped educate me about

>nutrition...

OK, here is a dilemma. My kids are now adults (no not the goats). But when

they were in Brownies, Girl Scouts, Soccer, High School, they would sell

cookies or candy bars to raise money. Now having been a parent to one of

those little hucksters, what do I say to them now when they try to sell me

that poison? It is hard to say no to those little kids.

[Guest guest]

At 08:25 AM 5/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>P.S. I'm a former teacher who used candy in an award system i had set up for

>my fifth graders (out of ignorance, of course).

Suze:

LOL. You remind me of my hubby with all these " former jobs " -- is there

anything you did NOT do? (OK, I'm a former watchmaker, waitress, and

workerbee on a lawsuit, so my background is limited!).

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

sucks!

I sent this 8 hours ago No need to respond, since you already answered

the question.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

-----Original Message-----

From: Suze Fisher [mailto:s.fisher22@...]

Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:26 AM

Subject: RE: drastic diet change update

>>>> The teacher would not

let her eat her sausage that I had packed for a snack because the teacher

figures meat isn't healthy.

****Hunh??!! " Would not let...?? " Oh no, no, no - not acceptable!!! Oh boy

that irks me!! She had no right to shove foods that lead to degenerative

diseases down her throat and deny her healthy foods! Grrr....that really

pisses me off!!!

(Big deep breath....breathe out....) OK, i'm calm now....what did you do,

Heidi?

P.S. I'm a former teacher who used candy in an award system i had set up for

my fifth graders (out of ignorance, of course). I'm so ashamed!!! But would

never have denied a student a food their parent packed for them. Wish i'd

had a parent like you who could've helped educate me about nutrition...

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...