RE: Re: Long-chain saturated fats at body temperature

[Guest guest]

So you don't dispute that saturated fatty acids (or

only long chain saturated fatty acids?) increase

rigidity of cellular membranes, right? If so, is it

inconceivable that one can consume too much of them?

I am not an expert on the Zone theory, but as far as I

know, it does not state that all degenerative

diseases are caused by series 2 pro-inflammatory

prostaglandins. Neither does it promote decreasing

their production by all means. What it's about is a

*balance* of both types of prostaglandins.

Roman

--- justinbond <justin_bond@...> wrote:

> Barry Sears is a little quackish:

>

> 1. Cholesterol, which is much, much, much stiffer

> than saturated fat

> is an *essential* component of cellular membranes.

> One of the

> theories about why low cholesterol and

> polyunsaturated fats are a

> risk factor for cancer is that there isn't enough

> cholesterol to firm

> up the cellular membranes, and polyunsaturated fats

> require more

> cholesterol in cellular membranes because

> polyunsaturated fats make

> soft membranes.

>

> 2. Cellular membranes, like most of the body, are

> homeostatically

> controlled. Too soft = more cholesterol. Too hard =

> less. In fact,

> the most plausible mechanism for how dietary fat

> influences blood

> cholesterol is that polyunsaturated fats drive

> cholesterol into

> membranes while saturated fats release it, although

> we still don't

> know for sure how it works.

>

> 3. The Zone has other quakish theories. It

> stipulates that all

> degenerative diseases are caused by series 2

> pro-inflammatory

> prostaglandins. But those same prostaglandins are

> produced when you

> are injured. Inflammation plays an important role in

> the treatment of

> injury. The current mainstream (and WAP-ish)

> nutritional thought is

> that oxidation damage is causing chronic injury to

> our arteries. If

> that's true, the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins are

> helping prevent

> heart disease, not causing. Eating a contrived diet

> that hamstrings

> your bodies ability to produce these prostanglandins

> would actually

> make you more likely to have a heart attack because

> your body can't

> heal from the damage.

>

> Furthermore, just as anti-oxidants can deal with

> oxidation damage,

> unsaturated fats are more likely to become oxidized

> than saturated

> fat. So consuming diets rich in saturated fat would

> minimize the

> oxidation damage to our bodies *and* help our bodies

> to heal the

> damage that is done. Sear's diet increases the

> oxidation and

> hamstrings the bodies ability to heal itself.

>

> Which sounds like a prescription to cardiovascular

> wellness to you?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>>Yes it does. Hence the talk about " good " eicosoanoids and " bad "

eicosanoids. I remember the quote almost verbatim, " vitually all

disease states are the result of " bad " eicosanoids. "

***I remember Sears talking about 'good' and 'bad' eicosanoids on the zone

web site. someone posted the link and a blurb about these eicosanoids to one

of my pet health lists last year, and i made the same point you are making

here. there's really no such thing as *good* and *bad* eicosanoids as they

all have their own necessary biological function.

Here's the zone url where he talks about goo and bad eicosanoids:

http://www.zonehome.com/zlib0011.htm

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:x5yDQAqhKEwC:www.zonehome.com/zlib0011.

htm+%22bad+eicosanoids%22 & hl=en & ie=UTF8

(highlighted version)

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

-

>Hence the talk about " good " eicosoanoids and " bad "

>eicosanoids. I remember the quote almost verbatim, " vitually all

>disease states are the result of " bad " eicosanoids. " My copy of the

>book is at my parents house, so I can't reference it at the time

>being. But that's the whole point of playing " the eicosanoid game "

At one point he does say that " good " and " bad " are essentially misnomers

and that both are necessary, but his emphasis is nonetheless all wrong, and

he misses the basic fact that foods rich in the " bad " eicosanoids are only

bad in the face of the imbalances resulting from modern methods of food

production and modern diets.

-

[Guest guest]

justinbond wrote:

> Yes it does. Hence the talk about " good " eicosoanoids and " bad "

> eicosanoids. I remember the quote almost verbatim, " vitually all

> disease states are the result of " bad " eicosanoids. " My copy of the

> book is at my parents house, so I can't reference it at the time

> being. But that's the whole point of playing " the eicosanoid game "

>

> > Neither does it promote decreasing

> > their production by all means. What it's about is a

> > *balance* of both types of prostaglandins.

>

> Again it does. His whole theory is about tons of GLA and no AA. He

> calls liver " your worst nutritional nightmare " because its rich in

> AA. His only interest in balance is increasing the DGLA derived anti-

> inflammatory omega-6 eicosanoids as well as the omega-3 derived anti-

> inflammatory eicosanoids. He tries to hamstring the pro-inflammatory

> AA derived eicosanoids at every step.

>

>

>

He must have modified his theory. When I heard his interview a couple of

weeks ago, he was talking about a need to balance these two types of

eicosanoids and also AA and other fatty acids.

Roman

[Guest guest]

justinbond wrote:

> 3. The Zone has other quakish theories. It stipulates that all

> degenerative diseases are caused by series 2 pro-inflammatory

> prostaglandins. But those same prostaglandins are produced when you

> are injured. Inflammation plays an important role in the treatment of

> injury. The current mainstream (and WAP-ish) nutritional thought is

> that oxidation damage is causing chronic injury to our arteries. If

> that's true, the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins are helping prevent

> heart disease, not causing. Eating a contrived diet that hamstrings

> your bodies ability to produce these prostanglandins would actually

> make you more likely to have a heart attack because your body can't

> heal from the damage.

>

Don't we, the WAP folks, promote decreasing Omega-6 rich oils? This

recommendation usually comes with " they are inflammation promoting " type of

explanation.

While inflammation is important in healing, so is curbing it. That's why

there are so many means (natural and not so) available to subdue

inflammation. Wobenzym and other proteolytic enzymes come to mind -- they are

effective in helping the body heal. And they are said to work by reducing

inflammation.

Roman