treats

[Guest guest]

One of my and my kids' favorite treats is these carob balls. It's a fair

NT recipe except for the powdered milk. I've wondered what I could

substitute for it? I guess they have really expensive powdered whole

milk at the health food store, but is there something else that I could

put in to hold it together?

3/4 cup peanut butter

1/3 cup honey

1/4 cup carob powder

1/2 cup powdered milk

Mix well, roll into balls, and roll balls in shredded coconut, chopped

nuts, etc.

~ Carma ~

" Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity. " ~

Gatto

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

How about shredded coconut?

----- Original Message -----

From: Paden Family

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:07 PM

Subject: treats

One of my and my kids' favorite treats is these carob balls. It's a fair

NT recipe except for the powdered milk. I've wondered what I could

substitute for it? I guess they have really expensive powdered whole

milk at the health food store, but is there something else that I could

put in to hold it together?

3/4 cup peanut butter

1/3 cup honey

1/4 cup carob powder

1/2 cup powdered milk

Mix well, roll into balls, and roll balls in shredded coconut, chopped

nuts, etc.

~ Carma ~

" Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity. " ~

Gatto

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

> is there something else that I could

> put in to hold it together?

Shredded coconut would be a good option. Another one might be soaking some

oatmeal and spreading it on a cookie sheet and toasting it over relatively

low heat (maybe 200 degrees) until it's dry. Crumble it up and mix into

your carob balls...not to be confused with chocolate salty balls... (sorry

couldn't resist) :-P

[Guest guest]

hi, carma--

you're looking for a substitute for the powdered milk, which firms it

up, right? do you make your own peanut butter? i do (almond-peanut

butter), and, when the nuts come through my juicer (prior to adding

coconut oil, etc), the result is very powdery.

why not just add very finely ground --and not so oily-- nuts? or, if

you make your own pb, just cut back on whatever oil you use.

allene, who enjoys your quotes

[Guest guest]

Okay, I made them this morning, and just left out the powdered milk

altogether. The recipe calls for rolling them in coconut, but lazy me, I

always just mixed it in anyway. Well, I didn't measure exactly, just put

in approximate amounts of peanut butter, honey, carob, and then coconut.

They are a little richer than usual without the milk, but that's

probably good - think it will keep me from eating too many? However,

they are not too sticky at all, which is what I was afraid of. Thanks

for the advice!

~ Carma ~

" Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity. " ~

Gatto

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

You know what, you're right about the occasional treat! I've started doing

this myself. Even the woman who sold me the Yeast Fighters recommended that

after three months and feeling better, it's time for me to find a balance -

still eat healthy, but allow myself other things from time to time. I'm

happy with this.

The danger with diets like this, is that you can easily fall into a pattern

of denial - denying yourself everything, and eventually you can't get out

of the trap, even when you feel better. If this happens, it's basically an

anorexic eating pattern - never allowing yourself the pleasure of something

for an occasional treat. The women at the health shop say that they have

seen this happen to people many times. I once raised this point on another

message board, and it wasn't greeted very well by the moderator! I left

the group after that, because I firmly believe it is important to be able

to feel " ok " about having a treat sometimes.

Ali

> > I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I plan on staying on this

>diet, or one similar for the rest of my life. I've gotten used to it and

>it's healthy and I feel so much better on it. So I allow myself " forbidden

>food " once in a while without feeling guilty. I don't feel like I'm

>cheating at all, I just feel like I'm allowing myself that rare treat. You

>can't live like a hermit or you will be certain to " fall off the wagon " .

>)

> >

[Guest guest]

I think we must be clear on this point. Sure, treats are OK if you think you

want to have candida for life. But they are not ok if you are doing russ's

program and trying to eradicate systemic candida in a month or two. I know

because I messed up at thanksgiving and " had a treat " and am now paying for

it by having to wait longer for a full recovery.

From: Alison <ali-may@...>

Reply-candidiasis

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:53:04 +1300

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Treats

You know what, you're right about the occasional treat! I've started doing

this myself. Even the woman who sold me the Yeast Fighters recommended that

after three months and feeling better, it's time for me to find a balance -

still eat healthy, but allow myself other things from time to time. I'm

happy with this.

The danger with diets like this, is that you can easily fall into a pattern

of denial - denying yourself everything, and eventually you can't get out

of the trap, even when you feel better. If this happens, it's basically an

anorexic eating pattern - never allowing yourself the pleasure of something

for an occasional treat. The women at the health shop say that they have

seen this happen to people many times. I once raised this point on another

message board, and it wasn't greeted very well by the moderator! I left

the group after that, because I firmly believe it is important to be able

to feel " ok " about having a treat sometimes.

Ali

> > I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I plan on staying on this

>diet, or one similar for the rest of my life. I've gotten used to it and

>it's healthy and I feel so much better on it. So I allow myself " forbidden

>food " once in a while without feeling guilty. I don't feel like I'm

>cheating at all, I just feel like I'm allowing myself that rare treat. You

>can't live like a hermit or you will be certain to " fall off the wagon " .

>)

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh yes - but my point is WHEN YOU ARE FEELING BETTER. Please let me get

that straight.

Ali

At 09:33 p.m. 13/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>I think we must be clear on this point. Sure, treats are OK if you think you

>want to have candida for life.

[Guest guest]

Let me add also, that once you are feeling better - the occasional treat is

good for your psychological wellbeing. It's not good to be always like, " I

can't have this and I can't have that " when you are healthy! I'm talking

'quality of life' here.

Ali

At 07:23 p.m. 14/12/2002 +1300, you wrote:

>Oh yes - but my point is WHEN YOU ARE FEELING BETTER. Please let me get

>that straight.

>

>Ali

[Guest guest]

You know, I think I am so strict with my diet, because for the first time in

20 years I feel in control. When I start eating carbs and sugar, I loose all

control and will power. I guess I am just scared of falling into my old

patterns again. But you are so right, this could end up being a disorder in

itself.

Plus, I don't know if others suffer like this, but every time I cheat, the

cravings and withdrawals are terrible for the next few days. Starch and

sugary foods will be all I can think about. It is awful. I have not been

doing this for very long, so maybe I need to kill off more yeast before I

start cheating.

and, buy the way, I managed to survive the Christmas party last night. The

hostess actually had two things I could eat, so that is all I ate.

Hanida

[Guest guest]

Yes, I do. I eat 1/2 a cup a day or either brown rice, amaranth or Quina. I

alternate them every other day, and some times I eat rice cakes. That is

pretty much it for carbs. I only have problems with the grains after I eat

them. I want to finish the entire pot, but the cravings usually go away

after an hour or so.

I do have a question for you in regard to exercise. Right now I don't do

much. I walk daily with my dogs. My problem is two years ago I broke my

neck in a car accident. Most peoples necks look like a C well mine looks

like a } or a ) that someone kicked. Being a military spouse, the DR's we

have to go to see nothing wrong with my neck. (the funny thing is my

grandfather who is a DR. In Italy had x-rays done on me and all of his

orthopedic doctors found my neck to be in really bad shape, but not the DR's

here!) I have tried physical therapy and a chiropractor to no avail. So

every time I work out, weather it is weights, yoga or aerobics, I end up not

able to turn my head and having to take serious muscle relaxers. Hence I

just walk. I would swim but chlorine is a little hard to handle right now.

Do you have any suggestions? I would really like to get in shape.

Thanks

Hanida

[Guest guest]

Hanida,

Do you eat any cooked grains... amarnth, quinoa, kamut, oatmeal, brown

rice???

Mic

>Plus, I don't know if others suffer like this, but every time I cheat,

>the

>cravings and withdrawals are terrible for the next few days.† Starch and

>sugary foods will be all I can think about.† It is awful. I have not been

>doing this for very long, so maybe I need to kill off more yeast before I

>start cheating.

>and, buy the way, I managed to survive the Christmas party last night.†

>The

>hostess actually had two things I could eat, so that is all I ate.†

>

>Hanida

[Guest guest]

the best thing I can say for you to do would be deep breathing and lymphatic

drainage techniques..

the body is electrical..

every cell in the body generates an electrical field.. you have to make sure

your cells are getting the oxygen needed on a daily basis this is very very

crucial

jen

Re: Re: Treats

> Yes, I do. I eat 1/2 a cup a day or either brown rice, amaranth or Quina.

I

> alternate them every other day, and some times I eat rice cakes. That is

> pretty much it for carbs. I only have problems with the grains after I

eat

> them. I want to finish the entire pot, but the cravings usually go away

> after an hour or so.

> I do have a question for you in regard to exercise. Right now I don't do

> much. I walk daily with my dogs. My problem is two years ago I broke my

> neck in a car accident. Most peoples necks look like a C well mine looks

> like a } or a ) that someone kicked. Being a military spouse, the DR's we

> have to go to see nothing wrong with my neck. (the funny thing is my

> grandfather who is a DR. In Italy had x-rays done on me and all of his

> orthopedic doctors found my neck to be in really bad shape, but not the

DR's

> here!) I have tried physical therapy and a chiropractor to no avail. So

> every time I work out, weather it is weights, yoga or aerobics, I end up

not

> able to turn my head and having to take serious muscle relaxers. Hence I

> just walk. I would swim but chlorine is a little hard to handle right

now.

> Do you have any suggestions? I would really like to get in shape.

> Thanks

> Hanida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When talking treats, perhaps it helps to outline " treats " . Gooey

dark masses of sticky things are not treats to me, but a beautiful,

ripe strawberry, crisp green apple slice, juicy raspberry or crunchy

blueberry can be " the cat's meow " . Also, some popped popcorn

sometimes would be nice.

Many times, I think I need to rearrange my mind-desire connection to

teach myself to love what is good for me, not want what is bad for

me. I did that with men and love, why not food and tastebuds?!

Your mind is the strongest part of your body. It is what sends,

receives, processes messages, it is what keeps your heart pumping.

Use your mind and thoughts to your advantage.

> >Oh yes - but my point is WHEN YOU ARE FEELING BETTER. Please let

me get

> >that straight.

> >

> >Ali

[Guest guest]

Hanida, in your situation where the cravings take over, then I agree that

the diet needs to be very strict. It needs to be strict anyway when we are

killing off the yeast.

It's just that when we are healthy, it's good to do things like have a

sandwich made with normal bread (that to me would be a HUGE treat!). It's

when we deny ourselves that kind of thing, when there is no longer any

reason to, that we fall into " disordered eating " . Many people jump down my

throat when I say that. But I've seen people become anorexic, and their

life is all about denial - it's a terrible thing, and I can't help but want

to save people from that sort of thinking pattern. The naturopaths at my

health shop (including one who has HAD candida) see it happen all the time,

and they find it very sad.

Ali

>I guess I am just scared of falling into my old

>patterns again. But you are so right, this could end up being a disorder in

>itself.

[Guest guest]

This what has happened to me also - I don't have the desire for really

sweet things anymore, but I'd love to have some strawberries or

raspberries! But the biggest treat for me would a bad food combination -

chicken salad sandwiches made with yeast bread and cottage cheese!!!

Ali

At 08:20 p.m. 14/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>When talking treats, perhaps it helps to outline " treats " . Gooey

>dark masses of sticky things are not treats to me, but a beautiful,

>ripe strawberry, crisp green apple slice, juicy raspberry or crunchy

>blueberry can be " the cat's meow " . Also, some popped popcorn

>sometimes would be nice.

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you. I bought this book, " loosing the pounds of pain " ,

which deals with the psychological aspect of why we allow our bodies to get

out of balance. I am going to start reading that as my new years resolution

(since I have to survive the holidays first) and try to re-gain balance and

peace within. I think that if I remain on the strict diet for a while, maybe

three months or so, then I can test the waters and try to " treat " myself to

some bread or fruit. Right now, though, I am no where near that point. But

I am happy with myself in the fact that when I stick to the diet I don't

overeat, or eat things that produce " guilt " . that is nice. I will deal with

the other battles when I have kicked the candida, or at least gotten it under

control.

Hanida

[Guest guest]

<<I firmly believe it is important to be able to feel " ok " about having a treat

sometimes.

Ali >>

Being an " expert " on diets that haven't worked for me over the last 23 years, I

know that it really is important live you life! Other wise you can develop real

unhealthy feelings about food. You can live a health, happy life eating great

healthy food, but every once in a while it's also ok to let yourself " go " a bit

and HAVE FUN! )

in CA

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, I love this post!!! About 6 months ago I did a kidney and

bladder cleanse which required me to go on all raw fruits and veggies

for about 10 days. I'd already been doing the candida diet for about

a year and since this cleanse called for it I allowed myself to eat

as much fruit as I wanted. While eating a fruit salad one night I

said to my husband, " This is so much better than any candy bar out

there! I don't know how I ever convinced myself that I preferred

chocolate to fruit! " It's been great to have that awareness on my

side.

Ann

> When talking treats, perhaps it helps to outline " treats " . Gooey

> dark masses of sticky things are not treats to me, but a beautiful,

> ripe strawberry, crisp green apple slice, juicy raspberry or

crunchy

> blueberry can be " the cat's meow " . Also, some popped popcorn

> sometimes would be nice.

>

> Many times, I think I need to rearrange my mind-desire connection

to

> teach myself to love what is good for me, not want what is bad for

> me. I did that with men and love, why not food and tastebuds?!

> Your mind is the strongest part of your body. It is what sends,

> receives, processes messages, it is what keeps your heart pumping.

> Use your mind and thoughts to your advantage.

>

[Guest guest]

Ann,

What a GREAT post! It is wonderful how our tastes change to love such perfect

food instead of the unhealthy toxic food we once lived on!!! )

What cleanses did you do? I'm currently looking for some good cleanses to do.

I have been considering the Dr. H. , (you know, she wrote all those " A cure

for all cancers " books) since she sells them in packages. The Parasite,

gallbladder/liver, kidney cleanse is $143.00 and the bowel cleanse is $74.07.

I " m also planning on going on that 42 day juice fast. I really feel the need to

CLEANSE my whole insides before I continue on this candida diet.

In CA

[Guest guest]

> Ann,

> What a GREAT post! It is wonderful how our tastes change to love

such perfect food instead of the unhealthy toxic food we once lived

on!!! )

>

> What cleanses did you do? I'm currently looking for some good

cleanses to do. I have been considering the Dr. H. , (you know,

she wrote all those " A cure for all cancers " books) since she sells

them in packages. The Parasite, gallbladder/liver, kidney cleanse is

$143.00 and the bowel cleanse is $74.07. I " m also planning on going

on that 42 day juice fast. I really feel the need to CLEANSE my

whole insides before I continue on this candida diet.

>

> In CA

Hey ,

I haven't done any of Hulda 's cleanses though I've heard many

good things about them and have considered trying them. I had my

cleanse based off of Dr. Schultz's with some personal modifications.

I spent about $500 for all the stuff I needed for the month long

cleanse I did so her prices sound reasonable. I've now taken to

buying herbs in bulk or growing them myself and making up my own

remedies based on the recipes of reputable naturopaths. It's pretty

easy to do and much cheaper.

I actually did quite a bit of candida killing before doing the

cleanse but I've got to say that some of the ingredients in the colon

cleanse I did (which are the same as those in 's parasite

cleanse plus some) did wonders for my candida!

Ann

[Guest guest]

,

I have done all of Dr. 's cleanses, and here were my round about totals:

Liver cleanse: ebsome salts: $1.25

Olive oil: 4.00

Grape fruit: .75

The parasite program was more expensive, running around $50.00

Kidney cleanse: I bought all the herbs at whole foods and I think the total

under $10.00. The glycerin was around 3.00 and the cherry concentrate was

2.00.

the Bowel program I had to order online and that cost around $25.00.

So I think it is much cheaper to do it yoursef. Plus remember all of these

cleanses except for the liver cleanse take a few weeks. so you don't have

to buy all this stuff at once.

Hanida

P.S if you are going to buy one of Dr. s books I recommend " the cure for

all diseases " since it is more general than the cancer and aids books.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Ann!!!

Wow $500 is high! ( There's no way I would have enough for that so I guess

I'll go with the Dr. program. Geesh, I'm going to have to get a job, (I'm

a stay at home mom) just to pay for these cleanses! (

in CA

[Guest guest]

Ann

Could you share some of those recipes ?

Fiona

Re: Treats

> Ann,

> What a GREAT post! It is wonderful how our tastes change to love

such perfect food instead of the unhealthy toxic food we once lived

on!!! )

>

> What cleanses did you do? I'm currently looking for some good

cleanses to do. I have been considering the Dr. H. , (you know,

she wrote all those " A cure for all cancers " books) since she sells

them in packages. The Parasite, gallbladder/liver, kidney cleanse is

$143.00 and the bowel cleanse is $74.07. I " m also planning on going

on that 42 day juice fast. I really feel the need to CLEANSE my

whole insides before I continue on this candida diet.

>

> In CA

Hey ,

I haven't done any of Hulda 's cleanses though I've heard many

good things about them and have considered trying them. I had my

cleanse based off of Dr. Schultz's with some personal modifications.

I spent about $500 for all the stuff I needed for the month long

cleanse I did so her prices sound reasonable. I've now taken to

buying herbs in bulk or growing them myself and making up my own

remedies based on the recipes of reputable naturopaths. It's pretty

easy to do and much cheaper.

I actually did quite a bit of candida killing before doing the

cleanse but I've got to say that some of the ingredients in the colon

cleanse I did (which are the same as those in 's parasite

cleanse plus some) did wonders for my candida!

Ann

[Guest guest]

Um, sure. What's the policy on promoting other lists here? I got most

of them from another group where they already have all of the

info posted. I could direct you to that or if it's uncool to promote

another group then I could get all the information together and stick

it in the files or something. Let me know!

Ann

> > Ann,

> > What a GREAT post! It is wonderful how our tastes change to

love

> such perfect food instead of the unhealthy toxic food we once

lived

> on!!! )

> >

> > What cleanses did you do? I'm currently looking for some good

> cleanses to do. I have been considering the Dr. H. , (you

know,

> she wrote all those " A cure for all cancers " books) since she

sells

> them in packages. The Parasite, gallbladder/liver, kidney

cleanse is

> $143.00 and the bowel cleanse is $74.07. I " m also planning on

going

> on that 42 day juice fast. I really feel the need to CLEANSE my

> whole insides before I continue on this candida diet.

> >

> > In CA

>

> Hey ,

> I haven't done any of Hulda 's cleanses though I've heard

many

> good things about them and have considered trying them. I had my

> cleanse based off of Dr. Schultz's with some personal

modifications.

> I spent about $500 for all the stuff I needed for the month long

> cleanse I did so her prices sound reasonable. I've now taken to

> buying herbs in bulk or growing them myself and making up my own

> remedies based on the recipes of reputable naturopaths. It's

pretty

> easy to do and much cheaper.

> I actually did quite a bit of candida killing before doing the

> cleanse but I've got to say that some of the ingredients in the

colon

> cleanse I did (which are the same as those in 's parasite

> cleanse plus some) did wonders for my candida!

>

> Ann

>

>

>

>