raw liver revisited

May 1, 2002

Suze,

Could you post your morning shake recipe? TIA

FWIW, I think raw liver from feedlot steer is basically what you get at the

grocery store, isn't it? I bought some and asked here if I should eat it and

someone said emphatically, no! So I fed it to my dogs. They lived. ;-)

C.

----- Original Message -----

From: Suze Fisher

Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 6:56 AM

Subject: raw liver revisited

hey there WAPers,

OK, i had my first 'serving' of raw liver yesterday. I put about a teaspoon

of pureed raw liver in my morning shake, and was thrilled that I couldn't

*taste* it! I thought that i'd better start with baby steps. Had I had my

raw goat's milk, yesterday would've been a very good day for my foray into

adding more raw animal foods to my diet because i had my raw egg yolk and

some partially raw steak as well. (broiled on the outside - raw on the

inside). I had a little 'air' in my system later in the day (Ok, gas

actually - mostly a little belching) but am not sure if it was connected to

the liver, or if my belt was too tight! <g>

So here's where I'm at...i'm consuming raw milk regularly, have been

consuming raw egg yolks regularly for about 3 weeks, and maybe 1-2 times a

week consume partially raw steak. I don't think my gut is in 'optimal'

condition, which is why i'm taking it slowly. I could easily add a small

amount of raw liver to my shake every day, but am thinking i shouldn't do it

every day at this early stage, until my gut adjusts. I only have a small

supply of grass-fed liver, but now that it's almost summer, will have access

to grass-fed liver and other organs fairly regularly, and would like to add

more raw organs to my diet on a regular basis.

So, my questions are:

--any suggestions on how frequently i should eat raw liver now as i'm just

starting out?

--what are obvious signs that it would be causing any problems? stomach

pain? diarrhea? what?

--for those of you who consume raw liver fairly regularly, how much do you

consumer per week? I think i recall that sally recommends 3-4 ozs./wk for

pregnant women? what about folks who aren't pregnant?

--does anyone eat raw liver from feedlot steer? if so, how often? any

problems? (hmm...i think i've asked this before)

--does anyone eat raw liver from *partially* grain-fed steer? from local

farms, perhaps? how often? (most of my winter supply is hay/grain-fed, and

i'm not sure if i should be eating it raw).

TIA

Suze Fisher

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May 1, 2002

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>>>>Could you post your morning shake recipe? TIA

***Darn, i thought i already did, but don't see it in the archives. i

remember writing it out. oh well, here it is - most amounts are

approximations because i don't measure anything:

8-12 oz. raw goat's milk (or yogurt, or both)

1-2 raw egg yolks

1/2 cup berries (usually blueberries, but sometimes includes raspberries,

cranberries, strawberries)

1 banana (minus a few chunks that i give to my min pin who is a banana

freak)

1-2 Tbsp. coconut milk

1/4+ pure organic juice (usually apple, orange or berry juice)

1 sachet cili bao (rose hip with tons of superoxide dismutase)

5-10 drops beta-plex (mixed carotenoid supplement)

1 Tbsp. organic grass powder (moo!)

and now, 1-2 tsps. raw pureed liver (grass-fed!) I think I'm going to

alternate this with raw kidney

a dollop of raw honey gathered a mile away from me (occassionally)

>>>>FWIW, I think raw liver from feedlot steer is basically what you get at

the grocery store, isn't it?

***Yes.

>>>>I bought some and asked here if I should eat it and someone said

emphatically, no! So I fed it to my dogs. They lived. ;-)

***LOL! I don't feed store-bought meats/organs to my dogs unless i'm

absolutely desperate, such as this week when i ran out of local stuff and

couldn't make it to the farm. I fed them coleman beef from the grocery store

But usually, when push comes to shove, *they* get the local grass-fed

stuff, and *I* eat the store-bought, when there's not enough grass-fed to go

around

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

May 6, 2002

On Fri, 31 May 2002 07:56:43 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...>

writes:

hey there WAPers,

OK, i had my first 'serving' of raw liver yesterday. I put about a

teaspoon

of pureed raw liver in my morning shake, and was thrilled that I couldn't

*taste* it!

******I like the idea of using your shake as a catchall. Makes life a lot

easier. Though there are many who would caution you against mixing fruit

and meat or mixing foods in general.

I thought that i'd better start with baby steps. Had I had my

raw goat's milk, yesterday would've been a very good day for my foray

into

adding more raw animal foods to my diet because i had my raw egg yolk and

some partially raw steak as well. (broiled on the outside - raw on the

inside). I had a little 'air' in my system later in the day (Ok, gas

actually - mostly a little belching) but am not sure if it was connected

to

the liver, or if my belt was too tight! <g>

*****My experience has been that certain food combinations do not work

well, fruit and meat being one. The only fruits I seem to get away with

mixing with meat w/o causing flatulence is pineapple and sometimes

papaya.

So here's where I'm at...i'm consuming raw milk regularly, have been

consuming raw egg yolks regularly for about 3 weeks, and maybe 1-2 times

a

week consume partially raw steak.

*****BTW, Aajonus Vonderplanitz contends that just eating the yolk on a

regular basis revs up the metabolism, which might create an undesired

effect in your case.

I don't think my gut is in 'optimal'

condition, which is why i'm taking it slowly. I could easily add a small

amount of raw liver to my shake every day, but am thinking i shouldn't do

it

every day at this early stage, until my gut adjusts. I only have a small

supply of grass-fed liver, but now that it's almost summer, will have

access

to grass-fed liver and other organs fairly regularly, and would like to

add

more raw organs to my diet on a regular basis.

So, my questions are:

--any suggestions on how frequently i should eat raw liver now as i'm

just

starting out?

*****I eat organ meats a couple of times a week. Always have even from

the beginning when I first discovered them.

--what are obvious signs that it would be causing any problems? stomach

pain? diarrhea? what?

*****These aren't necessarily signs of " problems. " Unless you are eating

non organic organ meats you should not encounter any real problems.

--for those of you who consume raw liver fairly regularly, how much do

you

consumer per week? I think i recall that sally recommends 3-4 ozs./wk for

pregnant women? what about folks who aren't pregnant?

--does anyone eat raw liver from feedlot steer? if so, how often? any

problems? (hmm...i think i've asked this before)

*****Organ meats are the one place you should not make exceptions - grass

fed, organic, better bio-dynamic.

--does anyone eat raw liver from *partially* grain-fed steer? from local

farms, perhaps? how often? (most of my winter supply is hay/grain-fed,

and

i'm not sure if i should be eating it raw).

****Why not raw?

Bianca

May 9, 2002

>

> On Fri, 31 May 2002 07:56:43 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@v...>

> writes:

> hey there WAPers,

>

> OK, i had my first 'serving' of raw liver yesterday. I put about a

> teaspoon

> of pureed raw liver in my morning shake, and was thrilled that I

couldn't

> *taste* it!

>

> ******I like the idea of using your shake as a catchall. Makes life

a lot

> easier. Though there are many who would caution you against mixing

fruit

> and meat or mixing foods in general.

>

>>snip>>>>>>>>>

>

>I tried the raw chicken liver again this week in a tomato juice,

worcestershire, tabasco, lime juice and salt blended drink. It

(liver) does taste much better (than straight up raw)in the drink.

But I must say I started eating smoked oysters in cottonseed oil this

week and they taste a 100 times better. Like there's a pleasurable

factor in the food. Any chance the oysters are healthy? Dennis

May 9, 2002

>From: " dkemnitz2000 " <dkemnitz2000@...>

>But I must say I started eating smoked oysters in cottonseed oil this

>week and they taste a 100 times better.

Cottonseed oil?

>Like there's a pleasurable

>factor in the food. Any chance the oysters are healthy? Dennis

I should venture to say that just about any animal would be an excellent

source of vitamins and other nutrients when eaten whole.

Berg

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May 9, 2002

Dean-

>Any chance the oysters are healthy?

Oysters are great, but you should avoid cottonseed oil like the

plague. I'm not sure about whether it's good to eat smoked things, but

definitely avoid cottonseed oil.

-

May 9, 2002

On Thu, 09 May 2002 00:35:14 -0000 " dkemnitz2000 "

<dkemnitz2000@...> writes:

>

>I tried the raw chicken liver again this week in a tomato juice,

worcestershire, tabasco, lime juice and salt blended drink.

****Sounds yummy!

It

(liver) does taste much better (than straight up raw)in the drink.

But I must say I started eating smoked oysters in cottonseed oil this

week and they taste a 100 times better. Like there's a pleasurable

factor in the food. Any chance the oysters are healthy? Dennis

****Oysters are healthy but cottonseed oil?

May 11, 2002

Please see my responses below. Regards, -=mark=-.

At 07:56 AM 5/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>So, my questions are:

>

>--any suggestions on how frequently i should eat raw liver now as i'm just

>starting out?

Increase the amount of raw foods- to cooked foods slowly to allow your body

to adjust. You say you are having raw steak about 1-2 times a week. If

that is OK then you could try increasing that by adding raw liver. How

fast to increase is an individual thing. I went at about 5% more raw food

per each 2 weeks when starting out. Whether I eat beef, bison or liver (or

other raw meats or fowl) doesn't seem to matter to me - just what taste I

have at the moment.

>--what are obvious signs that it would be causing any problems? stomach

>pain? diarrhea? what?

I'm not sure what you are expecting here? If the liver is fresh and

grass-fed I can't think of why it would cause problems. I never had any

problems with grass-fed liver, beef or bison - even when it was aged for

months.

>--for those of you who consume raw liver fairly regularly, how much do you

>consumer per week? I think i recall that sally recommends 3-4 ozs./wk for

>pregnant women? what about folks who aren't pregnant?

That, again, is an individual choice. I eat about .5 pound every 2 days or

more but I alternate between liver and other types of meats and

fowl. After 2.5 years on the raw diet (at about 80% raw) I usually eat

about 3/4 pound of meat a day.

>--does anyone eat raw liver from feedlot steer? if so, how often? any

>problems? (hmm...i think i've asked this before)

If " feedlot " means the animals (Bison or Cows) are being fed something

other than grass - then I rarely eat such meat. I prefer to eat grass-fed

red meat.

>--does anyone eat raw liver from *partially* grain-fed steer? from local

>farms, perhaps? how often? (most of my winter supply is hay/grain-fed, and

>i'm not sure if i should be eating it raw).

I avoid red meat that is not grass-fed. But I do occasionally have some

beef at about 5% of my total red meat intake at some times during

the year. At other times it is 100% grass-fed red meat.

May 31, 2002