which adaptogen for low cortisol

[Guest guest]

Nil,

You are having high adrenaline symptoms which tells me you need more

cortisol supplementation. I think you need to focus on increasing the HC to

get you calmed down.

Cheri

Re: Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

I need to stop the hyper feeling,mind racing-hpaaxis overactivation. For

example at this point my adrenals are extremely exhausted. I know that

because I have adrenal pain. On the other side my mind is racing and I can

not relax. I am insisting on sitting in front of PC and doing various

Internet activities.

You said at one of your previous posts that Rhodiola would also lower

cortisol? Did you mean relora?

I had tried ashwaganda and siberian ginseng and I found them too

stimulating for me. Rhodiola is also little stimulating but I can feel its

regulation effect so it is fine. I use it at stressful days. I found relora

to be the best as far as this hyperactivity problem is concerned but after

hearing that it is not suitable for low cortisol persons I am not much eager

to use it at this point.

best wishes.

Nil/7

.

[Guest guest]

>

> I need to stop the hyper feeling,mind racing-hpaaxis

overactivation. For example at this point my adrenals are extremely

exhausted. I know that because I have adrenal pain. On the other side

my mind is racing and I can not relax. I am insisting on sitting in

front of PC and doing various Internet activities.

Sounds like you're running on adrenaline. Are you on HC and are your

temps stable yet? If not, you might need to raise.

> You said at one of your previous posts that Rhodiola would also

lower cortisol? Did you mean relora?

I never said anything about rhodiola. I don't know its effects. I

did say Relora lowers cortisol.

> I had tried ashwaganda and siberian ginseng and I found them too

stimulating for me. Rhodiola is also little stimulating but I can

feel its regulation effect so it is fine. I use it at stressful days.

I found relora to be the best as far as this hyperactivity problem is

concerned but after hearing that it is not suitable for low cortisol

persons I am not much eager to use it at this point.

>

> best wishes.

> Nil/7

> Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

>

>

> Relora's function is to lower cortisol, so if you have low

cortisol,

> it will lower it more. Seriphos also is supposed to lower

cortisol.

> Other than that, most other supplements should be okay. What are

you

> trying to accomplish?

>

> Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you take any magnesium?

Linn

>

> I need to stop the hyper feeling,mind racing-hpaaxis overactivation.

For example at this point my adrenals are extremely exhausted. I know

that because I have adrenal pain. On the other side my mind is racing

and I can not relax. I am insisting on sitting in front of PC and

doing various Internet activities.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, you can get the adrenaline thing with high or low cortisol issues (it

is the imbalance) but now you appear to have low which is why I recommended

that you need more HC.

Cheri

Re: Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Hi Cheri

I am not sure about that. I had this over active hpa axis problem when I

was high in cortisol and even before my cfs started.It is only that effect

is felt much strongly at this point as my adrenals are totally exhausted and

I can not handle changes in my body.It is going on. it has depleted my

adrenals. bw Nil

.

[Guest guest]

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-002.html

This website says to treat adrenal fatigue & Cushings with PS.

Gale

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I see that it was said rhodiola and relora should not be used if

> one has low cortisol. I wonder which adaptogen is fine for low

> cortisol cases.

> > bw

> > Nil/stage 7

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Taking magnesium supplements makes me worse, and gives me more pain. I'm

not sure why this is, but the insistence on magnesium is so high, that I

have tried to take it umpteen times, and will probably try yet again

sometime, but it has invariably made me feel worse. Especially if I

don't take calcium with it.

Truthfully, I am envious of those who can take a mag supplement and

sleep better, feel better.

This doesn't answer your question but it is:

my two cents,

sol

yildiz wrote:

> I took large amounts of magnesium but I decreased the dosage to 150 mg lately

as I am at point of being tired of taking 20 plus supplements. You might be

right. This might have contributed to my hyperness. I also noticed that if I do

not take at least equal amounts of calcium I am getting some bone pain.

[Guest guest]

Phosphatidylserine has soy as a main ingredient. Only the Seriphos has no

soy. Soy is not good for thyroid challenged people. This is why I recommend

Seriphos instead to people who also have thyroid issues:

http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/serphosser.html

This form of phosphatidyl serine is less expensive and more efficient in

converting the stress hormone cortisol than regular PS. Phosphorylated

Serine is a pure product and not derived from animal tissue. The serine is

from vegetable sources and the phosphate is from a pure phosphate donor

compound.

Regular PS acts as a precursor molecule and is not the active form of the

nutrient. In the tissue, regular PS is linked to glyceroland, the

appropriate fatty acids specific to each tissue, and is not linked to the

fatty acids provided in PS. In short, fatty acids can oxidize in regular PS.

Seriphos, Phosphorylated Serine, is less expensive and does not oxidize.

Absorption does not depend upon enzyme availability in the gastro-intestinal

tract of the user as does PS.

Seriphos, like PS, stimulates neuronal plasticity, acting as a compensatory

adaptive mechanism to cell deterioration, and is capable of preventing or

delaying the age-dependent decline of neurotransmitter function.

Chronic stress, physical and mental, can desensitize the

hypothalmic-Pituitary-Axis and elevate cortisol. Seriphos can help optimize

the stress response, and repair the damage wrought by catabolic stress

hormones. PS, when consumed in food provides only 20% of active

phosphorylated serine. Each 100 mg of PS only yields 20mg of activated

serine following consumption. The bulk of the weight is derived from two

fatty acids, acting as a precursor molecule and is not the active form of

the nutrient. Seriphos is more stable, economic, and a more active molecule

than PS.

Seriphos can improve memory and sleep. Clinical studies show an improvement

on both computerized and standard neuropsychological performance tests.

Cheri

Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-002.html

This website says to treat adrenal fatigue & Cushings with PS.

Gale

.

[Guest guest]

I would think you'd need to take at least 400 mgs of magnesium, maybe more to

help out.

Taking supplemental calcium would depend on what your diet consists of and how

much

calcium you're getting from your diet. Many people take way too much calcium

and don't

realize it. It's usually the magnesium that needs to be added, not the calcium.

Linn

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phosphatidylserine is made FROM soy, but other than that I don't think

it is the same as taking straight soy.

> The phosphatidylserine in soy is basically serine attached to

> saturated on monounsaturated fatty acids, along with other fats from soy,

above quote from http://www.raysahelian.com/ps.html

It is true it is derived from soy phospholipids but in the case of PS

and lecithin, I'm not at all worried that the anti-nutrients and phytic

acids and contaminants in soy are still present in these purified fats.

> Phosphorylated Serine (brand name, SERIPHOS®) is a pure product not

> derived from animal tissue. The serine is from vegetable sources and

> the phosphate is from a pure phosphate donor compound.

from http://store.agoodvitamin.com/inseadadsu10.html

I think we discussed this previously, but I find it suspicious they do

not identify the " vegetable sources " . Cheri, have you ever contacted the

mfr to find out what their source actually is? Simply to say veg source

doesn't mean it isn't soy derived.

sol

MsSquarepants wrote:

> Phosphatidylserine has soy as a main ingredient. Only the Seriphos has no

> soy.

[Guest guest]

Seriphos®

Seriphos® is a pure product, not derived from animal tissue. The serine is

from vegetable sources, and the phosphate is from a pure phosphate donor

compound.

Supplement Facts

*Free of milk, soy, egg and wheat.

Not sure what sources they use however this from the company's web site.

E-mailed them to ask so we will see what they have to say.

This is the link if anyone else want's to e-mail the company.

https://ssl.familypharmacy.net/contact.htm

From: sol

I think we discussed this previously, but I find it suspicious they do

not identify the " vegetable sources " . Cheri, have you ever contacted the

mfr to find out what their source actually is? Simply to say veg source

doesn't mean it isn't soy derived.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Great. Let us know what they say.

Cheri

Re: Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Seriphos®

Seriphos® is a pure product, not derived from animal tissue. The serine is

from vegetable sources, and the phosphate is from a pure phosphate donor

compound.

Supplement Facts

*Free of milk, soy, egg and wheat.

Not sure what sources they use however this from the company's web site.

E-mailed them to ask so we will see what they have to say.

This is the link if anyone else want's to e-mail the company.

https://ssl.familypharmacy.net/contact.htm

.

[Guest guest]

I haven't contacted them but I thought I read it on a lengthy website one

time. I will post if I find the link again. I just remember feeling safer

with it as I try to avoid all soy. I can't tolerate lecithin either. It

seems so many of the foods I would otherwise eat are soy based so I am

always having to look for alternatives which is a pain in the you know what.

You do have a good idea though. Contacting the manufacturer would clear that

up.

Cheri

Re: Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Phosphatidylserine is made FROM soy, but other than that I don't think

it is the same as taking straight soy.

> The phosphatidylserine in soy is basically serine attached to

> saturated on monounsaturated fatty acids, along with other fats from

soy,

above quote from http://www.raysahelian.com/ps.html

It is true it is derived from soy phospholipids but in the case of PS

and lecithin, I'm not at all worried that the anti-nutrients and phytic

acids and contaminants in soy are still present in these purified fats.

> Phosphorylated Serine (brand name, SERIPHOS®) is a pure product not

> derived from animal tissue. The serine is from vegetable sources and

> the phosphate is from a pure phosphate donor compound.

from http://store.agoodvitamin.com/inseadadsu10.html

I think we discussed this previously, but I find it suspicious they do

not identify the " vegetable sources " . Cheri, have you ever contacted the

mfr to find out what their source actually is? Simply to say veg source

doesn't mean it isn't soy derived.

sol

.

[Guest guest]

Hi all

I see that it was said rhodiola and relora should not be used if one has low

cortisol. I wonder which adaptogen is fine for low cortisol cases.

bw

Nil/stage 7

[Guest guest]

I need to stop the hyper feeling,mind racing-hpaaxis overactivation. For example

at this point my adrenals are extremely exhausted. I know that because I have

adrenal pain. On the other side my mind is racing and I can not relax. I am

insisting on sitting in front of PC and doing various Internet activities.

You said at one of your previous posts that Rhodiola would also lower cortisol?

Did you mean relora?

I had tried ashwaganda and siberian ginseng and I found them too stimulating for

me. Rhodiola is also little stimulating but I can feel its regulation effect so

it is fine. I use it at stressful days. I found relora to be the best as far as

this hyperactivity problem is concerned but after hearing that it is not

suitable for low cortisol persons I am not much eager to use it at this point.

best wishes.

Nil/7

Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Relora's function is to lower cortisol, so if you have low cortisol,

it will lower it more. Seriphos also is supposed to lower cortisol.

Other than that, most other supplements should be okay. What are you

trying to accomplish?

Barb

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri

I am not sure about that. I had this over active hpa axis problem when I was

high in cortisol and even before my cfs started.It is only that effect is felt

much strongly at this point as my adrenals are totally exhausted and I can not

handle changes in my body.It is going on. it has depleted my adrenals. bw Nil

RE: Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Nil,

You are having high adrenaline symptoms which tells me you need more

cortisol supplementation. I think you need to focus on increasing the HC to

get you calmed down.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Lynn

thanks for your answer.

I took large amounts of magnesium but I decreased the dosage to 150 mg lately as

I am at point of being tired of taking 20 plus supplements. You might be right.

This might have contributed to my hyperness. I also noticed that if I do not

take at least equal amounts of calcium I am getting some bone pain. So,if I

increase my mg dosage I will have to increase my cal dosage,too I am not sure

about the correct ratio of ca to mag.

Does anyone know what should be correct ratio of mg to ca for late stage adrenal

exhaustion.

bw

Nil

Re: which adaptogen for low cortisol

Do you take any magnesium?

Linn

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