Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I always understood that fat isn't stored as fat *only* if it is eaten without carbs. But when you are eating carbs and fat together, the carbs stimulate insulin and the extra calories in fat *can* be stored as fat. So lowering your carbs may be all you need to do to stop the gain. ~ Carma ~ To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured, and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 >>> I'm thinking the raw milk, cod liver oil, evening primrose oil & borage oil have worked a virtual miracle on my menstrual cycle (sorry men, I know you don't want to here about female troubles). ****Carmen, is this combo reducing bloating and pain?? If so, what amounts and proportions are you taking? I'd really like to get off the naproxim sodium - the only drug I take (once or twice monthly) - because I just HATE menstrual pain! And I'm not a wimp, guys, like most women I have a fairly high threshold of pain, but menstrual pain really sucks!! Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 > My last cycle came as a total surprise! It's been a big relief. I'm hoping it > continues. I was on the verge of desperation, I was even thinking of going > to a doctor. Actually the absence of bloating helped me feel less fat. Even > so, I'd still love a magic pill that would make me lose ten pounds! My wife has had the same experience without adding any supplemental fatty acids to her diet. We went lower carb (not Atkins level, but less than 40% carb calories) though too, and that has a big impact on menstrual cycles. In addition, my wife went from about 145 lbs down to about 115. I went from about 180 lbs down to about 165. We've both found weight much *easier* to manage on an NT style diet...but our pre-NT diet was very high carb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 > ****Carmen, is this combo reducing bloating and pain?? If so, what amounts > and proportions are you taking? I'd really like to get off the naproxim > sodium - the only drug I take (once or twice monthly) - because I just HATE > menstrual pain! And I'm not a wimp, guys, like most women I have a fairly > high threshold of pain, but menstrual pain really sucks!! Suze, Try lowering the carbs. It worked miracles for my wife, and I've read other accounts of it being very beneficial even for more severe cases like endometriosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 > >>> I'm thinking the raw milk, cod liver oil, evening > primrose oil & borage oil have worked a virtual miracle on my menstrual > cycle (sorry men, I know you don't want to here about female troubles). *nods* us men have enough female troubles as it is! Just a small FYI, the reason to take evening primrose and borage is because they contain GLA, and converting from LA (the base omega-6 fatty acid) to GLA is a very slow an inefficient process for the same reason that converting from LNA to EPA and DHA on the omega-3 arm is an inefficent process - they both require the D6D enzyme. However, just as animal fats have the EPA and DHA preformed, they also have DGLA and AA on the omega-6 arm preformed. So there is no need to supplement with GLA if you get ample animal fats. the WAP site has a good article on this: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/tripping.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 >>>Just a small FYI, the reason to take evening primrose and borage is because they contain GLA, and converting from LA (the base omega-6 fatty acid) to GLA is a very slow an inefficient process for the same reason that converting from LNA to EPA and DHA on the omega-3 arm is an inefficent process - they both require the D6D enzyme. However, just as animal fats have the EPA and DHA preformed, they also have DGLA and AA on the omega-6 arm preformed. So there is no need to supplement with GLA if you get ample animal fats. ***Thanks, I've *studied* this article on numerous occassions, but for some reason never noticed that liver is a source of pre-formed DGLA. OK, time to bust the liver out of my freezer. Liver, it's not just for dogs anymore Suze Fisher Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Yes, I remember reading this and must admit I'm not even remotely able to discuss this fat stuff intelligently. I didn't add in the GLA until about six weeks ago and I could tell there was quite a difference. Seems like I'm getting quite a lot of animal fats, but maybe not. Will it hurt anything to take the GLA oils? Carmen <<< Just a small FYI, the reason to take evening primrose and borage is because they contain GLA, and converting from LA (the base omega-6 fatty acid) to GLA is a very slow an inefficient process for the same reason that converting from LNA to EPA and DHA on the omega-3 arm is an inefficent process - they both require the D6D enzyme. However, just as animal fats have the EPA and DHA preformed, they also have DGLA and AA on the omega-6 arm preformed. So there is no need to supplement with GLA if you get ample animal fats. the WAP site has a good article on this: http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/tripping.html >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 <<< What is the argument for primrose and borage oil being " traditional " ? Bianca >>> None as far as I know. It is recommended on WAP website as part of natural PMS relief. http://www.westonaprice.org/women/natural_pms.html " FOODS RICH IN KEY NUTRIENTS FOR PMS Vitamin A: Cod liver oil, liver, butter, egg yolks. Vitamin D: Oily fish, lard, cod liver oil. Vitamin B6: Brown rice, liver, beef, whole wheat, rye, lentils, alfalfa, tuna, peas, bananas, cashews, turkey, oats, blackstrap molasses, cabbage. Pantothenic Acid: Brewer’s yeast, brown rice, sunflower seeds, corn, lentils, whole wheat, rye. Vitamin E: Fresh wheat germ, wheat germ oil, whole wheat, raw nuts, olive oil, peanuts, broccoli, pecans. Calcium: Raw milk and raw milk cheeses, bone broths, sesame seeds, kelp, sardines, almonds, Brazil nuts, blackstrap molasses, watercress, dark green leafy vegetables, salmon, broccoli. Magnesium: Kelp, beef, blackstrap molasses, sunflower seeds, all nuts, oats, brown rice, dark green leafy vegetables, corn, bananas, tuna. Fatty Acids: Cod liver oil, salmon, sardines, mackerel, egg yolks and borage, black currant or evening primrose oil. " Carmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 , I have gained and I'm doing " everything right. " Sonja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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