RE: keeping weight on, NT-style

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In a message dated 5/6/2002 8:33:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

>

> >>>>Why do folks consume colostrum? Do you believe there are some health

> benefits?

>

> ****A holistic vet on another list i'm on swears it saved his life. he now

> uses it with his patients and is very enthusiastic about it's healing

> powers. I believe New Life colostrum (from NZ) has been shown to help boost

> immunity in some research or other, i don't remember the specifics.

>

>

That's interesting, every vet I've spoken to has told me that once a creature

is a day or two old colostrum is of little use. Our experience has been that

if an animal did not get colostrum within the first day or so of life it

wouldn't help them later on. We often get orphaned animals, the ones who

haven't rec'd colostrum at birth die. This is just our experience, I have no

studies to back it up.

Belinda

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In a message dated 5/6/2002 8:56:45 PM Central Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> >>>>That's interesting, every vet I've spoken to has told me that once a

> creature

> is a day or two old colostrum is of little use.

>

> ****I've heard the same thing belinda. But, theoretically, if you have a

> damaged gut (which it's possible many folks (and their pets) on a SAD diet

> do) then the colostrum macro molecules can be absorbed. If they can't, then

> I don't know of any possible benefit colostrum would have. Also, allopathic

> vets wouldn't know much about natural remedies anyway, so i don't put too

> much weight in what they say about colostrum.

>

> However, i've read a number of anecdotal accounts of people and pets who

> claim it's worked wonders for them.

>

> Suze Fisher

>

So what you are saying is if there's nothing wrong you won't fix it. I am

naturally suspicious of anything that is suddenly wonderful. Reminds me of

some herbalists I've met, introduce you to their favorite plant, the one that

cures everything. Or even soy, the wonder bean! In my opinion, when it

sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Belinda

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On Sun, 5 May 2002 21:28:22 -0400 " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...>

writes:

>>>>If I have cream or colostrum I will throw

that in as well.

***Hey that's a good idea, I *do* have new life colostrum that i could

add

to it.

+++++++Actually I use raw colostrum. The new life sounds like a

supplemental form of colostrum. For the most part, the raw stuff is

pretty hard to get.

Bianca

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Bianca-

>Actually I use raw colostrum. The new life sounds like a

>supplemental form of colostrum. For the most part, the raw stuff is

>pretty hard to get.

I've read what sounds like a good argument against consumption of

colostrum: it's extremely rich in hormones meant for growing calves. How

does this square with your experience?

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>>>>Why do folks consume colostrum? Do you believe there are some health

benefits?

****A holistic vet on another list i'm on swears it saved his life. he now

uses it with his patients and is very enthusiastic about it's healing

powers. I believe New Life colostrum (from NZ) has been shown to help boost

immunity in some research or other, i don't remember the specifics.

Suze Fisher

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>>>>That's interesting, every vet I've spoken to has told me that once a

creature

is a day or two old colostrum is of little use.

****I've heard the same thing belinda. But, theoretically, if you have a

damaged gut (which it's possible many folks (and their pets) on a SAD diet

do) then the colostrum macro molecules can be absorbed. If they can't, then

I don't know of any possible benefit colostrum would have. Also, allopathic

vets wouldn't know much about natural remedies anyway, so i don't put too

much weight in what they say about colostrum.

However, i've read a number of anecdotal accounts of people and pets who

claim it's worked wonders for them.

Suze Fisher

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

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On Mon, 06 May 2002 19:32:23 -0400 Idol <Idol@...>

writes:

Bianca-

>Actually I use raw colostrum. The new life sounds like a

>supplemental form of colostrum. For the most part, the raw stuff is

>pretty hard to get.

I've read what sounds like a good argument against consumption of

colostrum: it's extremely rich in hormones meant for growing calves. How

does this square with your experience?

****

I first read about colostrum years ago (1985?) in Dr. s' Milk

Book. He was very enthusiastic about it and went on further to talk about

medical milk therapy, i.e treating the animal so that certain antibodies

would show up in the colostrum to treat various disease states. He was

even quoting from a medical milk magazine that was published earlier in

the last century. Fascinating reading to say the least.

Over the years whenever I found a source I would always buy it and had

very good results. But I never used it therapeutically because it was a

here today gone tomorrow type of thing.

Some argue that milk period has hormones that are designed for that

particular species and that the soporific effect of milk is in fact the

hormones that are not designed for humans. This is an ongoing debate in

some RAF circles.

Bianca

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wrote:

> I've read what sounds like a good argument against consumption of

> colostrum: it's extremely rich in hormones meant for growing calves. How

> does this square with your experience?

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If that argument has any validity, then the same argument holds, albeit to a

lesser degree, when applied to *any* milk. Even *human milk* would be

loaded with hormones meant for human *babies* not human *adults*. They all

have hormones. They all have specialized ratios of micro and macro

nutrients, and in every single way, they are meant for rearing the young of

the species...not the adults of ours. ...the same argument holds for any

seed or nut. Absolutely nothing is *meant* to be consumed by adult

humans...other than maybe some unknown african fruits for which we may have

once been the symbiotes responsible for the spreading of their seeds...and

even that's an unlikely scenario, IMO.

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>If that argument has any validity, then the same argument holds, albeit to a

>lesser degree, when applied to *any* milk.

Not really. I don't know whether the anti-colostrum argument has any

validity -- that's why I asked -- but if, for the sake or argument,

colostrum is so rich in hormones that it's a problem whereas milk has

levels which aren't problematic at any normal levels of consumption, then

the seemingly logical argument you pose isn't valid. I have no experience

with colostrum, but I have read that in addition to being food (like milk)

it also provides a sort of rapid initial programming for the calf, so I'm a

little skeptical. I ask because I may have the opportunity to get a fair

amount of raw grass-fed colostrum, but I don't know whether it's a good idea.

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On Tue, 07 May 2002 15:29:43 -0400 Idol <Idol@...>

writes:

Not really. I don't know whether the anti-colostrum argument has any

validity -- that's why I asked -- but if, for the sake or argument,

colostrum is so rich in hormones that it's a problem whereas milk has

levels which aren't problematic at any normal levels of consumption, then

the seemingly logical argument you pose isn't valid. I have no

experience

with colostrum, but I have read that in addition to being food (like

milk)

it also provides a sort of rapid initial programming for the calf, so I'm

a

little skeptical. I ask because I may have the opportunity to get a fair

amount of raw grass-fed colostrum, but I don't know whether it's a good

idea.

****,

I'm only aware of anecdotal evidence in relation to raw colostrum. I have

read some negative articles about it but I don't remember them being too

convincing. There may be evidence in reference to the freeze dried stuff

but I don't know since that kind of supplementation does not interest me.

So unless you can get an audience with Dr. s, or find some issues

of the old Medical Milk magazine, or locate some obscure and ignored

studies, I think the rather large and positive anecdotal evidence is

about all you have. But if you do find some scientific proof one way or

the other I would like to read it.

However, I have been told by several farmers that they are able to use

colostrum from one animal to help raise animals from different species,

when their " native " colostrum is not available. On a practical level that

would seem to weaken the specificity argument, at least as far as animals

are concerned.

Bianca

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Bianca-

>On a practical level that

>would seem to weaken the specificity argument, at least as far as animals

>are concerned.

True. Well, I'm going to take the plunge and experiment on myself, at

least if there's still any raw colostrum available. I'll report back here

if there are any obvious effects.

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