Is this gaslighting? -warning - ODD and LONG POST!

[Guest guest]

Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000 miles

away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces of them in

our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but weird items that

appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it makes me feel like

that even tho they've all left they are still trying to control us after the

fact...

Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us crazyness?

1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house is

edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible colour

sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE ones for

their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had lectured/inquired for

like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how did we choose, how do we

know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah - he thought she was making

small talk re his previous job as a fashion designer...now I think more

sinisterly that she was making it obvious she knew we had a blue bathroom and

the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE

OUR OWN COLOURS!

2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten notes by

NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was rubbish or

Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF " " DEATH "

" forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I quickly put

the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND TORRID CONTENTS OF

HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it deliberately for me to read

like a confessional to make me feel her pain so i would be guilty about the

terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn

it or return it to her, or print copies and distribute them to all the people

who think she's such an amazing warm and giving christian woman!!!!

3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait - we

have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER destroy

damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose someone elses

books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed up the shelves but

has removed half a dozen books from a specific section - the christian life

books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she heartily disapproves of)

has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored cabinets

where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round dried out little

ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet! She spent the last

week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense of being able to smell

if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special cancer smell in our bathroom

and that we should get checked out urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven

tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not

bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to smell it off a room even if she had the

magical ability. SHe insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever

went into the bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my

husband).I asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff

us to see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly.

So now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying.

What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set up a

situation to make us look crazy?

[Guest guest]

The poo incident alone makes your nada certifiable! As you said, her behavior

is evil, torrid, sick, and twisted. Wow! Aren't you so glad she (along with

the FOO) are 12.000 miles away again? I believe all your assumptions about her

behavior are spot on!

Annie

>

> Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces of

them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but weird

items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it makes me

feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying to control us

after the fact...

>

> Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us crazyness?

> 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house is

edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible colour

sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE ones for

their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had lectured/inquired for

like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how did we choose, how do we

know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah - he thought she was making

small talk re his previous job as a fashion designer...now I think more

sinisterly that she was making it obvious she knew we had a blue bathroom and

the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE

OUR OWN COLOURS!

> 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten notes

by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was rubbish or

Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF " " DEATH "

" forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I quickly put

the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND TORRID CONTENTS OF

HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it deliberately for me to read

like a confessional to make me feel her pain so i would be guilty about the

terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn

it or return it to her, or print copies and distribute them to all the people

who think she's such an amazing warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait -

we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER

destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose someone

elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed up the

shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section - the

christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she heartily

disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored cabinets

where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round dried out little

ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet! She spent the last

week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense of being able to smell

if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special cancer smell in our bathroom

and that we should get checked out urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven

tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not

bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to smell it off a room even if she had the

magical ability. SHe insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever

went into the bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my

husband).I asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff

us to see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly.

So now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying.

What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

>

> So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set up a

situation to make us look crazy?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, , I'm just laughing out loud at the sheer craziness of

your nada!! I agree, it sure sounds like things were put there or put out of

order just for the purpose of making you insane/guilt trip you.

But the POO?? In the bathroom?? How the bleeping did that get up there?

The letter--you were wise not to read it! It sounds almost like my fada's

emails! And nothing is ever right for Nadas or Fadas--nothing, so of course

they would try to make you feel bad over your beautiful bathroom! Maybe her

bathroom is all nasty and disgusting and she feels bad that you one-upped

her?

The books--I was brought up the same way. I'm studying to be a librarian. So

yes, her stealing books and messing them up...that's outrageous. Part of me

would want to confront her about it, and ask that she return them. Part of

me would accept it as par for course and go out and buy new books, and a

beautiful copy of ina just to spite her memory. I'd advise the

latter--less pain for you, and besides, buying books is always fun

Geez--if I were you, I would never, ever invite them to stay again! If they

must come, there's always hotels...

Still chuckling about the cancer poo in the bathroom. Your nada is

certifiably insane, and she's trying to make you feel like you're the one

who's insane.

Holly

>

>

> Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

> miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces

> of them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but

> weird items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it

> makes me feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying to

> control us after the fact...

>

> Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us

> crazyness?

> 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house

> is edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

> styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible

> colour sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE

> ones for their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had

> lectured/inquired for like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how

> did we choose, how do we know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah -

> he thought she was making small talk re his previous job as a fashion

> designer...now I think more sinisterly that she was making it obvious she

> knew we had a blue bathroom and the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE

> WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE OUR OWN COLOURS!

> 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten

> notes by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was

> rubbish or Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF "

> " DEATH " " forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I

> quickly put the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND

> TORRID CONTENTS OF HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it

> deliberately for me to read like a confessional to make me feel her pain so

> i would be guilty about the terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT

> HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn it or return it to her, or print

> copies and distribute them to all the people who think she's such an amazing

> warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait

> - we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER

> destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose

> someone elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed

> up the shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section -

> the christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she

> heartily disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

> while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored

> cabinets where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round

> dried out little ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet!

> She spent the last week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense

> of being able to smell if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special

> cancer smell in our bathroom and that we should get checked out urgently

> (this was not easy to laugh offeven tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to

> her that cancer lives in cells not bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to

> smell it off a room even if she had the magical ability. SHe insisted the

> smell was especially prsent if my husband ever went into the bathroom for

> any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my husband).I asked her if

> we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff us to see which one

> had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly. So now she's gone

> and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our bathroom to make

> us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying. What a

> freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice amounts

> to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

>

> So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set

> up a situation to make us look crazy?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OMG sniffing out cancer - is she a bloodhound or something????? These women

(my nada included) really do seem to think they have super powers.

Wow these women are so freaking nuts. Yes, my nada did things like that too.

Wow, have you considered NC?

Your house and bathroom sound gorgeous. Art deco is my fav, and I'm an

amateur fashion designer. It sounds like you have fantastic taste. My thing

is clothes - I love them - and my nada typically attacked that about me and

gave me clothes 3 and 4 sizes too big in hideous KMart styles (I'm obsessed

with vintage and locally made - so you can see how that's a slap.)

Hugs hugs hugs! I think the cancer poo thing will become a funny example of

her insanity in time.

As for the papers, those would scare the shit out of me (ha ha no pun

intended, honest). I'd probably take them and cut them up and layer them on

a collage, paper mache them or something. Or I'd set fire to them. Or orgami

fold them into a boat and let it sail away down a river. I'm big into

symbolism like that.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Holly Byers wrote:

> I'm sorry, , I'm just laughing out loud at the sheer craziness of

> your nada!! I agree, it sure sounds like things were put there or put out

> of

> order just for the purpose of making you insane/guilt trip you.

>

> But the POO?? In the bathroom?? How the bleeping did that get up there?

>

> The letter--you were wise not to read it! It sounds almost like my fada's

> emails! And nothing is ever right for Nadas or Fadas--nothing, so of course

> they would try to make you feel bad over your beautiful bathroom! Maybe her

> bathroom is all nasty and disgusting and she feels bad that you one-upped

> her?

>

> The books--I was brought up the same way. I'm studying to be a librarian.

> So

> yes, her stealing books and messing them up...that's outrageous. Part of me

> would want to confront her about it, and ask that she return them. Part of

> me would accept it as par for course and go out and buy new books, and a

> beautiful copy of ina just to spite her memory. I'd advise the

> latter--less pain for you, and besides, buying books is always fun

>

> Geez--if I were you, I would never, ever invite them to stay again! If they

> must come, there's always hotels...

>

> Still chuckling about the cancer poo in the bathroom. Your nada is

> certifiably insane, and she's trying to make you feel like you're the one

> who's insane.

>

> Holly

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

> > miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd

> traces

> > of them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but

> > weird items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional

> meaning...it

> > makes me feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying

> to

> > control us after the fact...

> >

> > Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us

> > crazyness?

> > 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our

> house

> > is edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

> > styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible

> > colour sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew

> BLUE

> > ones for their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had

> > lectured/inquired for like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour,

> how

> > did we choose, how do we know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah

> -

> > he thought she was making small talk re his previous job as a fashion

> > designer...now I think more sinisterly that she was making it obvious she

> > knew we had a blue bathroom and the new towels are her way of saying WE

> ARE

> > WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE OUR OWN COLOURS!

> > 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten

> > notes by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was

> > rubbish or Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF "

> > " DEATH " " forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air.

> I

> > quickly put the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND

> > TORRID CONTENTS OF HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it

> > deliberately for me to read like a confessional to make me feel her pain

> so

> > i would be guilty about the terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT

> > HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn it or return it to her, or print

> > copies and distribute them to all the people who think she's such an

> amazing

> > warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> > 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family

> trait

> > - we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and

> NEVER

> > destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose

> > someone elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just

> messed

> > up the shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section

> -

> > the christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she

> > heartily disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> > 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my

> bathroom

> > while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored

> > cabinets where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round

> > dried out little ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing

> yet!

> > She spent the last week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like

> sense

> > of being able to smell if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the

> special

> > cancer smell in our bathroom and that we should get checked out urgently

> > (this was not easy to laugh offeven tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out

> to

> > her that cancer lives in cells not bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to

> > smell it off a room even if she had the magical ability. SHe insisted the

> > smell was especially prsent if my husband ever went into the bathroom for

> > any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my husband).I asked her

> if

> > we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff us to see which

> one

> > had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly. So now she's

> gone

> > and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our bathroom to

> make

> > us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying. What a

> > freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

> amounts

> > to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> >

> > So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set

> > up a situation to make us look crazy?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fedex the towels and poo and papers back with a note: " Mom, you forgot these so

I am returning them. "

Muhahahahahaha. Evil grin.

> So now she's

> > gone

> > > and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our bathroom to

> > make

> > > us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying. What a

> > > freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

> > amounts

> > > to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> > >

> > > So what do you all think?

[Guest guest]

mwahahaha, that'd be awesome!

>

>

> Fedex the towels and poo and papers back with a note: " Mom, you forgot

> these so I am returning them. "

> Muhahahahahaha. Evil grin.

>

> > So now she's

> > > gone

> > > > and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our bathroom

> to

> > > make

> > > > us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying. What

> a

> > > > freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

> > > amounts

> > > > to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > So what do you all think?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. This is me just speculating, I'm not a psychologist.

The first item you listed made me think that your nada is simply obnoxious and

somewhat narcissistic. Leaving bright green towels in your blue bathroom is an

indirect way of saying, " My aesthetic sense is superior to yours, see how great

these towels look in here. " It sounds like you have a lovely home that is

beautifully decorated, and perhaps nada is simply jealous and envious.

The second item you listed tends to confirm that for me; nada left something

like a mini-diary or critique for you to read of her thoughts/opinions, and

although you didn't specifically state what she wrote I got the impression that

the notes were negative and hostile. Again, nothing very specific in the way of

a disorder suggests itself; doing that has a kind of narcissistic flavor to it:

critique you and your home as though she is a writer critiquing a hotel for a

travel magazine.

However, the third thing your nada did is pretty severely disturbed behavior.

The deliberate smearing or hiding of feces, particularly on another person's

property, is called " voluntary encopresis. " From what I read about it, I gather

it is not an uncommon behavior in children who have oppositional-defiant

disorder or are in a power-struggle with their primary caregiver, as a kind of

" up yours " or " eff you " gesture.

It also occurs sometimes with mentally retarded individuals, the

elderly/Alzheimers patients, or those with severe schizophrenia for the same

reason: feces-smearing and feces-hiding is a gesture of hostility. Its a very

primitive, even pre-human gesture of maliciousness and rage to fling one's feces

and urine at an enemy.

(In the story of " Sybil " , Sybil reported that her mother would sneak into the

yards of neighbors she didn't like and leave her bowel movements there to " show

them a thing or two. " Sybil's mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia.)

So, bottom line: your nada is probably pretty severely mentally ill and is

feeling hostile towards you (most likely due to jealousy/envy) and she chose to

show it indirectly with these gestures, particularly the feces-hiding thing.

Very hostile; very disturbed.

Just my amateur opinion, to take or leave.

" Gaslighting " is more specifically about deliberately denying reality in order

to make a person doubt her own perceptions / make her " go crazy. "

If you haven't seen the movie " Gaslight " , which is about a suave older man

marrying a wealthy young girl and then deliberately setting out to make her

believe she is losing her mind so that he can get rid of her (ship her off to an

insane asylum) and have her property for himself, then you're in for an

interesting viewing. It won an academy award for Ingrid Bergman, as the young

wife being emotionally tortured and driven slowly insane by the man she loves,

and whom she believes loves her.

-Annie

>

> Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces of

them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but weird

items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it makes me

feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying to control us

after the fact...

>

> Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us crazyness?

> 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house is

edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible colour

sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE ones for

their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had lectured/inquired for

like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how did we choose, how do we

know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah - he thought she was making

small talk re his previous job as a fashion designer...now I think more

sinisterly that she was making it obvious she knew we had a blue bathroom and

the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE

OUR OWN COLOURS!

> 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten notes

by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was rubbish or

Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF " " DEATH "

" forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I quickly put

the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND TORRID CONTENTS OF

HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it deliberately for me to read

like a confessional to make me feel her pain so i would be guilty about the

terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn

it or return it to her, or print copies and distribute them to all the people

who think she's such an amazing warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait -

we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER

destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose someone

elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed up the

shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section - the

christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she heartily

disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored cabinets

where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round dried out little

ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet! She spent the last

week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense of being able to smell

if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special cancer smell in our bathroom

and that we should get checked out urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven

tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not

bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to smell it off a room even if she had the

magical ability. SHe insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever

went into the bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my

husband).I asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff

us to see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly.

So now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying.

What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

>

> So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set up a

situation to make us look crazy?

>

[Guest guest]

I like the way you think! Mwa-ha-ha-haaa! Plus a note that says, " BTW, you owe

me $$ for these books you took (list the books)! Have a good read! "

-Annie

>

> Fedex the towels and poo and papers back with a note: " Mom, you forgot these

so I am returning them. "

> Muhahahahahaha. Evil grin.

>

>

>

> > So now she's

> > > gone

> > > > and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our bathroom to

> > > make

> > > > us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying. What a

> > > > freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

> > > amounts

> > > > to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > So what do you all think?

>

[Guest guest]

Annie said:

However, the third thing your nada did is pretty severely disturbed behavior.

The deliberate smearing or hiding of feces, particularly on another person's

property, is called " voluntary encopresis. " From what I read about it, I gather

it is not an uncommon behavior in children who have oppositional-defiant

disorder or are in a power-struggle with their primary caregiver, as a kind of

" up yours " or " eff you " gesture.

It also occurs sometimes with mentally retarded individuals, the

elderly/Alzheimers patients, or those with severe schizophrenia for the same

reason: feces-smearing and feces-hiding is a gesture of hostility. Its a very

primitive, even pre-human gesture of maliciousness and rage to fling one's feces

and urine at an enemy.

(In the story of " Sybil " , Sybil reported that her mother would sneak into the

yards of neighbors she didn't like and leave her bowel movements there to " show

them a thing or two. " Sybil's mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia.)

Annie, you are 100% correct on this one.

Annie 2

> >

> > Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces of

them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but weird

items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it makes me

feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying to control us

after the fact...

> >

> > Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us

crazyness?

> > 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house

is edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible colour

sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE ones for

their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had lectured/inquired for

like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how did we choose, how do we

know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah - he thought she was making

small talk re his previous job as a fashion designer...now I think more

sinisterly that she was making it obvious she knew we had a blue bathroom and

the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE

OUR OWN COLOURS!

> > 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten notes

by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was rubbish or

Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF " " DEATH "

" forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I quickly put

the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND TORRID CONTENTS OF

HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it deliberately for me to read

like a confessional to make me feel her pain so i would be guilty about the

terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn

it or return it to her, or print copies and distribute them to all the people

who think she's such an amazing warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> > 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait -

we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER

destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose someone

elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed up the

shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section - the

christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she heartily

disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> > 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored cabinets

where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round dried out little

ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet! She spent the last

week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense of being able to smell

if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special cancer smell in our bathroom

and that we should get checked out urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven

tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not

bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to smell it off a room even if she had the

magical ability. SHe insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever

went into the bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my

husband).I asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff

us to see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly.

So now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying.

What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> >

> > So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set up

a situation to make us look crazy?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" voluntary encopresis " Annie, you rock. I'll be honest, my dogs do this kind

of thing once in a while. My little Girlscout peed on my hand last night

right after getting home from the groomers. I think she was trying to punish

me for sending her away for hours and making her hold still to have her

nails trimmed and ear hair plucked (they have to pluck it on terriers or it

can get infected).

But, I can't say a human has done that to me. My nada was very weird about

her bathroom habits. And I think I've mentioned that my family had very

substandard plumbing when I was growing up - a septic tank that had all

kinds of problems. Also when I was 10 my dad ripped the bathroom apart and

then didn't finish remodeling it for an entire year. And we only had one

bathroom - for a family of 4. Its no wonder that I always dream about

plumbing, it was a major issue in my childhood home - and I think its

related somehow to this " voluntary encopresis. " Its so weird to me that I

grew up in a middle class home but still had these sort of poverty

related issues like lack of access to a bathroom and scabies. As a kid I

peed my pants at school a few times - not because I didn't know better - but

because I was WAY to scared to speak directly to an adult and ask if I could

go to the bathroom. I mean that thought horrifyed the " pee " right out of me.

Looking back I don't think that's normal - and as someone who teaches kids

that age - I would definitely zero in on a kid who did that as needing extra

help and attention. If a child in my class was afraid to talk to me, I'd

totally start working with him or her more. But no one did that for me.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:30 AM, CA Annie wrote:

>

>

> Annie said:

> However, the third thing your nada did is pretty severely disturbed

> behavior.

> The deliberate smearing or hiding of feces, particularly on another

> person's

> property, is called " voluntary encopresis. " From what I read about it, I

> gather

> it is not an uncommon behavior in children who have oppositional-defiant

> disorder or are in a power-struggle with their primary caregiver, as a kind

> of

> " up yours " or " eff you " gesture.

>

> It also occurs sometimes with mentally retarded individuals, the

> elderly/Alzheimers patients, or those with severe schizophrenia for the

> same

> reason: feces-smearing and feces-hiding is a gesture of hostility. Its a

> very

> primitive, even pre-human gesture of maliciousness and rage to fling one's

> feces

> and urine at an enemy.

> (In the story of " Sybil " , Sybil reported that her mother would sneak into

> the

> yards of neighbors she didn't like and leave her bowel movements there to

> " show

> them a thing or two. " Sybil's mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia.)

>

> Annie, you are 100% correct on this one.

>

> Annie 2

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from

> 12,000 miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd

> traces of them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush,

> but weird items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional

> meaning...it makes me feel like that even tho they've all left they are

> still trying to control us after the fact...

> > >

> > > Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us

> crazyness?

> > > 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our

> house is edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

> styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible

> colour sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE

> ones for their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had

> lectured/inquired for like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how

> did we choose, how do we know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah -

> he thought she was making small talk re his previous job as a fashion

> designer...now I think more sinisterly that she was making it obvious she

> knew we had a blue bathroom and the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE

> WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE OUR OWN COLOURS!

> > > 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten

> notes by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was

> rubbish or Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF "

> " DEATH " " forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I

> quickly put the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND

> TORRID CONTENTS OF HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it

> deliberately for me to read like a confessional to make me feel her pain so

> i would be guilty about the terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT

> HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn it or return it to her, or print

> copies and distribute them to all the people who think she's such an amazing

> warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> > > 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family

> trait - we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and

> NEVER destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to

> lose someone elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just

> messed up the shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific

> section - the christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I

> know she heartily disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my

> home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> > > 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my

> bathroom while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the

> mirrored cabinets where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small

> round dried out little ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing

> yet! She spent the last week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like

> sense of being able to smell if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the

> special cancer smell in our bathroom and that we should get checked out

> urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven tho it was ridiculous. I

> pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not bathrooms, so she wouldnt

> be able to smell it off a room even if she had the magical ability. SHe

> insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever went into the

> bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my husband).I

> asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff us to

> see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly. So

> now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

> bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and

> dying. What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour

> choice amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

> > >

> > > So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they

> set up a situation to make us look crazy?

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Spooky!

it seems so obvious when you all point it out!

years of practice making excuses for her means I am trying to see her side even

in this!

We thought it was just a bizarre way to try and control us by setting it up to

prove her ridicuous cancer theory, HOWEVER! I have also remembered she left a

brand new white plastic bucket, toilet brush and cleaning sponge in the bathroom

that we found when we got home from the airport. still wrapped in their plastic

from the store...she had said in the morning that she was " sorry she had wanted

to clean the bathroom for me to try and help but she was just so busy she ran

out of time " ...don't exactly know what she did that she was too busy for 2 whole

months except to sit on the couch or stay in bed all day and give me jobs to

do!!!!!!

then we come home from the airport to see the green towels and the cleaning

bucket - big hint to clean the bathroom - so yes it looks as if she signalled a

big arrow / wanted me to clean up so i could find the hidden poo...

very bizarre

and actually I had cleaned the bathroom religiously while they were here as Dad

recently had bowel cancer and I wanted to make sure everything was good for him

post-op...

did i mention NADA is a renowned behavioural child psychologist specialising in

child abuse (prevention ?!!!) !!!

rebecca

[Guest guest]

, that is so odd that your nada specializes in child abuse!

My dad is a renowed homeschooling in high school specialist and has a PhD in

education, and used to be the principal of a small private school. He knew

about how to spot child abuse. But do you think he recognized it in our

family? Nooooo....

Holly

>

>

> Spooky!

> it seems so obvious when you all point it out!

> years of practice making excuses for her means I am trying to see her side

> even in this!

> We thought it was just a bizarre way to try and control us by setting it up

> to prove her ridicuous cancer theory, HOWEVER! I have also remembered she

> left a brand new white plastic bucket, toilet brush and cleaning sponge in

> the bathroom that we found when we got home from the airport. still wrapped

> in their plastic from the store...she had said in the morning that she was

> " sorry she had wanted to clean the bathroom for me to try and help but she

> was just so busy she ran out of time " ...don't exactly know what she did that

> she was too busy for 2 whole months except to sit on the couch or stay in

> bed all day and give me jobs to do!!!!!!

> then we come home from the airport to see the green towels and the cleaning

> bucket - big hint to clean the bathroom - so yes it looks as if she

> signalled a big arrow / wanted me to clean up so i could find the hidden

> poo...

> very bizarre

> and actually I had cleaned the bathroom religiously while they were here as

> Dad recently had bowel cancer and I wanted to make sure everything was good

> for him post-op...

>

> did i mention NADA is a renowned behavioural child psychologist

> specialising in child abuse (prevention ?!!!) !!!

> rebecca

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Damn, that's a whole lotta crazy. RG, I'd bring in the religious professional

of your choice and have your house blessed and exorcised, lol!

>

> Some of you know the NADA+FOO have been visiting for 2 months from 12,000

miles away...they went home 2 weeks ago and we are still finding odd traces of

them in our house. Not your usual lost-socks or spare toothbrush, but weird

items that appear to have been 'placed' for intentional meaning...it makes me

feel like that even tho they've all left they are still trying to control us

after the fact...

>

> Tell me if this is my imagination or are these 'plants' to cause us crazyness?

> 1 - two new towels appeared in bathroom - bright green towels - (our house is

edwardian period...the bathroom is blue and white and art-deco

styling....there's a point to this...) I excused it as my NADAs terrible colour

sense but then we don't need any new towels as I bought brandnew BLUE ones for

their visit - hubby then tells me the day before NADA had lectured/inquired for

like an hour as to why we chose the blue colour, how did we choose, how do we

know about colour matching, blah blah blah blah - he thought she was making

small talk re his previous job as a fashion designer...now I think more

sinisterly that she was making it obvious she knew we had a blue bathroom and

the new towels are her way of saying WE ARE WRONG (!?)NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO CHOOSE

OUR OWN COLOURS!

> 2- In thE exact center of their bedroom a flat 3-sheets of handwritten notes

by NADA - I was cleaning the room and scanned it to see if it was rubbish or

Important....words Like " FAMILY " " GOD " " SHAME " " SIN " " GRIEF " " DEATH "

" forgiveness " " names of FOO... " etc etc all floated into the air. I quickly put

the papers down. I thought I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE EVIL AND TORRID CONTENTS OF

HER SICK AND TWISTED MIND!!!! Hubby said she left it deliberately for me to read

like a confessional to make me feel her pain so i would be guilty about the

terrible way that i APPAREntly (!) TREAT HER!!!!Now I don't know whether to burn

it or return it to her, or print copies and distribute them to all the people

who think she's such an amazing warm and giving christian woman!!!!

> 3- i KEEP MY BOOKS very neat as I love to read. ( A posititve family trait -

we have been brought up to respect books ( more than people!!!!) and NEVER

destroy damage or borrow any one elses books - a cardinal sin is to lose someone

elses books! ) - SHE has rifled thru the books and not just messed up the

shelves but has removed half a dozen books from a specific section - the

christian life books - and along with ANNA KARENINA (which I know she heartily

disapproves of) has REMOVED them from my home!!!!!AAAHHHH!!!

> 4 - THE FINAL STRAW - yesterday I found a very strange thing in my bathroom

while cleaning - about 10foot above the ground on top of the mirrored cabinets

where the artdeco SPECIAL STUFF IS ON DISPLAY ...a small round dried out little

ball of POO...yes! POO! It is the most bizarre thing yet! She spent the last

week of teh visit telling us she had a psychic-like sense of being able to smell

if anyone had cancer adn that she smelt the special cancer smell in our bathroom

and that we should get checked out urgently (this was not easy to laugh offeven

tho it was ridiculous. I pointed out to her that cancer lives in cells not

bathrooms, so she wouldnt be able to smell it off a room even if she had the

magical ability. SHe insisted the smell was especially prsent if my husband ever

went into the bathroom for any reason (she's trying to make me worry about my

husband).I asked her if we should do a line-up so she can come along and sniff

us to see which one had the cancer - she refused of course rather indignantly.

So now she's gone and I found that she has put a piece of poo high up in our

bathroom to make us smell a wierd smell and make us think we are sick and dying.

What a freak. Either that or it just symbolises that our BLUE colour choice

amounts to a pile of CRAP!!!!!

>

> So what do you all think? Is that what you call gaslighting when they set up a

situation to make us look crazy?

>

[Guest guest]

BIZZACKO!!!! And she's a child psychologist?!?!? My mother has her Master's in

psych, has a job couseling inmates (they can't LEAVE her!) , and has done foster

care for children who " didn't have the right kind of mothering. " LOL!!!!

>

> Spooky!

> it seems so obvious when you all point it out!

> years of practice making excuses for her means I am trying to see her side

even in this!

> We thought it was just a bizarre way to try and control us by setting it up to

prove her ridicuous cancer theory, HOWEVER! I have also remembered she left a

brand new white plastic bucket, toilet brush and cleaning sponge in the bathroom

that we found when we got home from the airport. still wrapped in their plastic

from the store...she had said in the morning that she was " sorry she had wanted

to clean the bathroom for me to try and help but she was just so busy she ran

out of time " ...don't exactly know what she did that she was too busy for 2 whole

months except to sit on the couch or stay in bed all day and give me jobs to

do!!!!!!

> then we come home from the airport to see the green towels and the cleaning

bucket - big hint to clean the bathroom - so yes it looks as if she signalled a

big arrow / wanted me to clean up so i could find the hidden poo...

> very bizarre

> and actually I had cleaned the bathroom religiously while they were here as

Dad recently had bowel cancer and I wanted to make sure everything was good for

him post-op...

>

> did i mention NADA is a renowned behavioural child psychologist specialising

in child abuse (prevention ?!!!) !!!

> rebecca

>

[Guest guest]

, some of the most screwed up people I've ever met have been

psychologists and psychiatrists. At one point in my career I was the director

of educational services at a psychiatric center, so I've met many!

Annie 2

>

> Spooky!

> it seems so obvious when you all point it out!

> years of practice making excuses for her means I am trying to see her side

even in this!

> We thought it was just a bizarre way to try and control us by setting it up to

prove her ridicuous cancer theory, HOWEVER! I have also remembered she left a

brand new white plastic bucket, toilet brush and cleaning sponge in the bathroom

that we found when we got home from the airport. still wrapped in their plastic

from the store...she had said in the morning that she was " sorry she had wanted

to clean the bathroom for me to try and help but she was just so busy she ran

out of time " ...don't exactly know what she did that she was too busy for 2 whole

months except to sit on the couch or stay in bed all day and give me jobs to

do!!!!!!

> then we come home from the airport to see the green towels and the cleaning

bucket - big hint to clean the bathroom - so yes it looks as if she signalled a

big arrow / wanted me to clean up so i could find the hidden poo...

> very bizarre

> and actually I had cleaned the bathroom religiously while they were here as

Dad recently had bowel cancer and I wanted to make sure everything was good for

him post-op...

>

> did i mention NADA is a renowned behavioural child psychologist specialising

in child abuse (prevention ?!!!) !!!

> rebecca

>

[Guest guest]

Uh... woah. That's all I can say! Wow.. just... wow.

I'm completely flabberghasted, but to try & answer your question: IMHO, yes,

she is trying to gaslight you. And, she's nuts. Like, really really really

nuts. Poo? Really?! Holy... crap (pun intended).

I think the book thing would burn me up big time though! How dare she do

something like that! Well, that and the poo. Forgive me, but I have to

ask, are you sure it is really poo??? I mean, really?!!

You must be so glad they are gone! *HUGS*

Mia

[Guest guest]

HAHAHA! Best suggestion ever, *grin* Don't forget to include in the

note, " Oh, and by the way, you owe me <x amount of dollars> for my missing

books! "

Mia

>

>

> Fedex the towels and poo and papers back with a note: " Mom, you forgot

> these so I am returning them. "

> Muhahahahahaha. Evil grin.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh woah Annie, we were on the same wavelength lol. Just read this after

posting just about the same thing. Creepy!

Mia

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> I like the way you think! Mwa-ha-ha-haaa! Plus a note that says, " BTW, you

> owe me $$ for these books you took (list the books)! Have a good read! "

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mia

I know I know I know it sounds unbelievable. i'm having a hard time making sense

of it.

OK so how we know it is poo is a lot to do with pieceing previous events

together.

for about 2 weeks before they left I noticed a very horrible strange smell just

as you enter the bathroom. OMG they stink I thought uncharitably, so I cleaned

the room more and bought new airfreshener! And opened the window! etc etc...the

smell persisted! But it was only at the entrance to the bathroom and NOT near

the toilet.

Then she started going on about the smell and the cancer thing....I felt sick

inside as you do when you are trained from birth to believe that what the NADA

says is gospel...so part of me was like " We're all dying of cancer!!!AAHHH " the

other part was " don't be ridiculous lets think thru this rationally!!! "

And at all costs I mustn't let her know she's got me jinxed!!!! SO I laughed it

all off as a joke....

So after she's gone I am up cleaning everywhere to try and rid the house of

their 'scent' !!!! and I found this perfectly round ball of dehydrated cracked

brown stuff.

Tight in the corner above the door - where the smell had been coming from.

I asked my 9 yr old about it and he looked at me like I was totally crazy and

laughed his head off...so it wasn't him.

if there had been sufficient mud on someones boots to get up so high it would

have been everywhere else in the bathroom and flicked onto the walls as well..so

not mud. And definately not the perfect round shape.

And not clay either as the consistency was wrong (we are artists so we know our

materials!!!!)and besides we don't have any clay in the house or studio! And the

place it was in was really bizarre as if it was definately 'hidden'

And then all the comments from her about the cleaning, the colour of the

bathroom, the provision of cleaning bucket after she's left etc all leads me to

think she wanted me to find it, but after she'd gone...

And we put it in water to watch how it reacted to liquid absorption to see if it

was mud or clay and well, it turned back into what poo looks like normally. DId

not dissipate or dissolve.

So at the risk of sounding crazy or like I have jumped to conclusions we are

pretty sure it was poo. Sad to say.

And now I can't believe ive written so much about this very odd incident. ANd i

doubt anyone in the real world will believe me.

[Guest guest]

Argie - We hear you, we believe you, and we understand why you'd have to prove

to yourself that what she did was actually real, and not just your imagination.

What strikes me is that you did so much SCIENCE to determine what the " mystery

ball " was. If it smells like poo and looks like poo, it's probably poo. And if

Nada acts like a nut and talks like a nut, she's probably (PROBABLY????) a nut.

I don't think there's any more need for you to do further experiments to prove

either one of these conclusions.

Never, never let these people stay in your house again. I don't care if they

come from 12,000 miles away. What she did, as others here have pointed out, is

what dogs do when they are marking territory or trying to communicate their

disapproval. This is not normal, not even for a Nada.

[Guest guest]

>

>here have pointed out, is what dogs do when they are marking territory or

trying to communicate their disapproval. This is not normal, not even for a

Nada.

You know my first thought about the poo " marking " was it reminded me of monkeys

at the zoo. They've been known to throw their feces at people...maybe your

nada's monkey genes were acting up? Very rarely I'll see it smeared on the

walls in a public restroom and I always wonder why on earth anyone would ever do

that.

Another random thought, maybe it was envy. Your nada was jealous of your

magnificent house and particularly that art deco bathroom and just had to try to

" soil " it. Ewwww.

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say that I occasionally spend time in the real world and I

definitely believe you.

>

> Hi Mia

> I know I know I know it sounds unbelievable. i'm having a hard time making

sense of it.

> OK so how we know it is poo is a lot to do with pieceing previous events

together.

> for about 2 weeks before they left I noticed a very horrible strange smell

just as you enter the bathroom. OMG they stink I thought uncharitably, so I

cleaned the room more and bought new airfreshener! And opened the window! etc

etc...the smell persisted! But it was only at the entrance to the bathroom and

NOT near the toilet.

>

> Then she started going on about the smell and the cancer thing....I felt sick

inside as you do when you are trained from birth to believe that what the NADA

says is gospel...so part of me was like " We're all dying of cancer!!!AAHHH " the

other part was " don't be ridiculous lets think thru this rationally!!! "

> And at all costs I mustn't let her know she's got me jinxed!!!! SO I laughed

it all off as a joke....

>

> So after she's gone I am up cleaning everywhere to try and rid the house of

their 'scent' !!!! and I found this perfectly round ball of dehydrated cracked

brown stuff.

> Tight in the corner above the door - where the smell had been coming from.

> I asked my 9 yr old about it and he looked at me like I was totally crazy and

laughed his head off...so it wasn't him.

> if there had been sufficient mud on someones boots to get up so high it would

have been everywhere else in the bathroom and flicked onto the walls as well..so

not mud. And definately not the perfect round shape.

> And not clay either as the consistency was wrong (we are artists so we know

our materials!!!!)and besides we don't have any clay in the house or studio! And

the place it was in was really bizarre as if it was definately 'hidden'

> And then all the comments from her about the cleaning, the colour of the

bathroom, the provision of cleaning bucket after she's left etc all leads me to

think she wanted me to find it, but after she'd gone...

>

> And we put it in water to watch how it reacted to liquid absorption to see if

it was mud or clay and well, it turned back into what poo looks like normally.

DId not dissipate or dissolve.

>

> So at the risk of sounding crazy or like I have jumped to conclusions we are

pretty sure it was poo. Sad to say.

> And now I can't believe ive written so much about this very odd incident. ANd

i doubt anyone in the real world will believe me.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh ------ envy ----- that would make sense. My nada would totally totallly

totally try to destroy or detract from something I had made that was

beautiful. If she couldn't ruin it, she would try to make me think it was

wrong or hideous (my face being the first example, she couldn't legally

scratch it off so she did what she could to make me think i was ugly).

I personally would probably not want nada to see that I was bothered by the

poo (now that I've thought about it more). I think she did it to disrespect

you and get a rise out of you. I wouldn't give her the satisfaction - just

respond with boundaries boundaries boundaries.

By the way, I love your 9 year olds reaction. That is so cute. Kids are the

best. He (is it a he?) was probably totally scandalized and flabbergasted.

>

>

> I just wanted to say that I occasionally spend time in the real world and I

> definitely believe you.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Mia

> > I know I know I know it sounds unbelievable. i'm having a hard time

> making sense of it.

> > OK so how we know it is poo is a lot to do with pieceing previous events

> together.

> > for about 2 weeks before they left I noticed a very horrible strange

> smell just as you enter the bathroom. OMG they stink I thought uncharitably,

> so I cleaned the room more and bought new airfreshener! And opened the

> window! etc etc...the smell persisted! But it was only at the entrance to

> the bathroom and NOT near the toilet.

> >

> > Then she started going on about the smell and the cancer thing....I felt

> sick inside as you do when you are trained from birth to believe that what

> the NADA says is gospel...so part of me was like " We're all dying of

> cancer!!!AAHHH " the other part was " don't be ridiculous lets think thru this

> rationally!!! "

> > And at all costs I mustn't let her know she's got me jinxed!!!! SO I

> laughed it all off as a joke....

> >

> > So after she's gone I am up cleaning everywhere to try and rid the house

> of their 'scent' !!!! and I found this perfectly round ball of dehydrated

> cracked brown stuff.

> > Tight in the corner above the door - where the smell had been coming

> from.

> > I asked my 9 yr old about it and he looked at me like I was totally crazy

> and laughed his head off...so it wasn't him.

> > if there had been sufficient mud on someones boots to get up so high it

> would have been everywhere else in the bathroom and flicked onto the walls

> as well..so not mud. And definately not the perfect round shape.

> > And not clay either as the consistency was wrong (we are artists so we

> know our materials!!!!)and besides we don't have any clay in the house or

> studio! And the place it was in was really bizarre as if it was definately

> 'hidden'

> > And then all the comments from her about the cleaning, the colour of the

> bathroom, the provision of cleaning bucket after she's left etc all leads me

> to think she wanted me to find it, but after she'd gone...

> >

> > And we put it in water to watch how it reacted to liquid absorption to

> see if it was mud or clay and well, it turned back into what poo looks like

> normally. DId not dissipate or dissolve.

> >

> > So at the risk of sounding crazy or like I have jumped to conclusions we

> are pretty sure it was poo. Sad to say.

> > And now I can't believe ive written so much about this very odd incident.

> ANd i doubt anyone in the real world will believe me.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All I can say to that is, " Well, sh*t happens. "

-Annie

>

> Hi Mia

> I know I know I know it sounds unbelievable. i'm having a hard time making

sense of it.

> OK so how we know it is poo is a lot to do with pieceing previous events

together.

> for about 2 weeks before they left I noticed a very horrible strange smell

just as you enter the bathroom. OMG they stink I thought uncharitably, so I

cleaned the room more and bought new airfreshener! And opened the window! etc

etc...the smell persisted! But it was only at the entrance to the bathroom and

NOT near the toilet.

>

> Then she started going on about the smell and the cancer thing....I felt sick

inside as you do when you are trained from birth to believe that what the NADA

says is gospel...so part of me was like " We're all dying of cancer!!!AAHHH " the

other part was " don't be ridiculous lets think thru this rationally!!! "

> And at all costs I mustn't let her know she's got me jinxed!!!! SO I laughed

it all off as a joke....

>

> So after she's gone I am up cleaning everywhere to try and rid the house of

their 'scent' !!!! and I found this perfectly round ball of dehydrated cracked

brown stuff.

> Tight in the corner above the door - where the smell had been coming from.

> I asked my 9 yr old about it and he looked at me like I was totally crazy and

laughed his head off...so it wasn't him.

> if there had been sufficient mud on someones boots to get up so high it would

have been everywhere else in the bathroom and flicked onto the walls as well..so

not mud. And definately not the perfect round shape.

> And not clay either as the consistency was wrong (we are artists so we know

our materials!!!!)and besides we don't have any clay in the house or studio! And

the place it was in was really bizarre as if it was definately 'hidden'

> And then all the comments from her about the cleaning, the colour of the

bathroom, the provision of cleaning bucket after she's left etc all leads me to

think she wanted me to find it, but after she'd gone...

>

> And we put it in water to watch how it reacted to liquid absorption to see if

it was mud or clay and well, it turned back into what poo looks like normally.

DId not dissipate or dissolve.

>

> So at the risk of sounding crazy or like I have jumped to conclusions we are

pretty sure it was poo. Sad to say.

> And now I can't believe ive written so much about this very odd incident. ANd

i doubt anyone in the real world will believe me.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Argybargy,

Why wouldn't anybody in the real world believe you? I admit, it's not a story

you want to share at work, but if you have close friends who would call you a

liar for sharing this, then I would venture they're not supporting you and not

reliable.

You have a mentally disordered mother. There are plenty of them out there. Crazy

old people do play with their sh**, it's not unheard of. Stop doubting yourself

that this was deliberately done to hurt you and your family by your own mother.

The facts are clear.

Best,

AFB

>

> Hi Mia

> I know I know I know it sounds unbelievable. i'm having a hard time making

sense of it.

> OK so how we know it is poo is a lot to do with pieceing previous events

together.

> for about 2 weeks before they left I noticed a very horrible strange smell

just as you enter the bathroom. OMG they stink I thought uncharitably, so I

cleaned the room more and bought new airfreshener! And opened the window! etc

etc...the smell persisted! But it was only at the entrance to the bathroom and

NOT near the toilet.

>

> Then she started going on about the smell and the cancer thing....I felt sick

inside as you do when you are trained from birth to believe that what the NADA

says is gospel...so part of me was like " We're all dying of cancer!!!AAHHH " the

other part was " don't be ridiculous lets think thru this rationally!!! "

> And at all costs I mustn't let her know she's got me jinxed!!!! SO I laughed

it all off as a joke....

>

> So after she's gone I am up cleaning everywhere to try and rid the house of

their 'scent' !!!! and I found this perfectly round ball of dehydrated cracked

brown stuff.

> Tight in the corner above the door - where the smell had been coming from.

> I asked my 9 yr old about it and he looked at me like I was totally crazy and

laughed his head off...so it wasn't him.

> if there had been sufficient mud on someones boots to get up so high it would

have been everywhere else in the bathroom and flicked onto the walls as well..so

not mud. And definately not the perfect round shape.

> And not clay either as the consistency was wrong (we are artists so we know

our materials!!!!)and besides we don't have any clay in the house or studio! And

the place it was in was really bizarre as if it was definately 'hidden'

> And then all the comments from her about the cleaning, the colour of the

bathroom, the provision of cleaning bucket after she's left etc all leads me to

think she wanted me to find it, but after she'd gone...

>

> And we put it in water to watch how it reacted to liquid absorption to see if

it was mud or clay and well, it turned back into what poo looks like normally.

DId not dissipate or dissolve.

>

> So at the risk of sounding crazy or like I have jumped to conclusions we are

pretty sure it was poo. Sad to say.

> And now I can't believe ive written so much about this very odd incident. ANd

i doubt anyone in the real world will believe me.

>