Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I've been NC for almost 4 years after my mom made some disparaging comments to my children and essentially scoffed at me when I confronted her about it. She and dad still try to get to the kids via cards and drop-ins, but I've been pretty good about keeping them away. The kids never see the cards and we just don't answer the door. Yesterday my dad left a message that his mom (my grandma) and his brother-in-law (my uncle) died, and that the funeral for Gma would be Saturday. I haven't seen Gma in about 6 years and we weren't particularly close. Given that, and the fact that the funeral would be populated with people I've spent the better part of the last four years trying to avoid, I decided I would send a sympathy card and pay my respects at Gma's grave in the upcoming weeks. Additionally, I'm scheduled to work tomorrow in a job that's not easy to cover with last-minute arrangements, as if I needed another excuse, but you guys understand. So I was cool with that. This morning, nada calls my office and gets my secretary (who's wise to what's going on). I make her take a message, which is, of course, that Gma and uncle died. Not ten minutes later my cell phone is ringing. I let it go to voicemail. It's dad again, informing my of the time/location of the funeral and reminding me that " you used to rearrange all of the magnets on her refrigerator when you were a little girl, and she used to tell you stories about the Great Depression. I think you liked that, " and to tell me that there would be bagpipes at the funeral and that my brother that I see maybe once every two years is flying in for the occasion. I know it's a guilt trip, so that's not the issue. I just get so angry that they think they have a right to manipulate me like this! And I wouldn't be surprised if I get some hate mail/messages next week for not going, but if I went, *they'd be there* with the added bonus of expecting hugs and sympathy. I think it was a pretty big step for me to send a card. I am fricking forty years old so I think I have the right to not go to a funeral if I don't want to. I will pay my respects to Grandma, just not on their terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Good for you for sticking to your guns! I too think its a huge manipulation on your parents' part. If this were happening to me, I think I would e-mail a brief response along the lines of, " Thank you for letting me know. I'm sorry but I will not be able to attend the services, but I am sending a card (and/or a flower arrangement to her grave site) in sympathy. " And then not accept or read any further communications from them at all on the subject, period. And good for you for standing up for yourself and demanding that your parents respect you AS a parent, and thereby protecting your children from their manipulativeness. My younger Sister had to open up a can of emotional whup-ass on our nada to clearly establish that Sister was the ultimate authority figure of her little boy, The Mom, the " alpha wolf " , and nada was not allowed to over-ride Sister, disregard Sister's parenting decisions, or openly disagree with or criticize Sister's parenting decisions *in front of her child.* Sister had said to nada: " If you disagree with something I've said or done RE parenting you can tell me privately, but NOT in front of my son. " Nada disregarded this rule repeatedly, and so got " taken down " by Sister rather dramatically in front of the child as a result. This happened when Sister was driving nada back home after some errand or other, and my nephew was in his car seat in the back. Sister told nada, " I've asked you to not do that, mother, and since you won't respect my request then I don't want you around me or my son and you can walk home, " and Sister pulled over to the side of the freeway and made nada get out of the car. Nada was so totally shocked, panicked and cowed by this that she actually, finally took Sister seriously and promised to abide by that rule. (Sister allowed the shaken, frightened nada back into the car and drove her home.) Its like my nada is and always has been a bully, THE dominant figure in our foo and extended foo, and only a genuine, serious confrontation like that made any impact on her. Nada finally learned to *respect* Sister as an adult, her equal, and a parent. Its sad that the respect had to be gained by " force " , but, I admire my Sister for taking a hard stand particularly because I know how difficult that was for her to do. -Annie > > I've been NC for almost 4 years after my mom made some disparaging comments to my children and essentially scoffed at me when I confronted her about it. She and dad still try to get to the kids via cards and drop-ins, but I've been pretty good about keeping them away. The kids never see the cards and we just don't answer the door. > > Yesterday my dad left a message that his mom (my grandma) and his brother-in-law (my uncle) died, and that the funeral for Gma would be Saturday. I haven't seen Gma in about 6 years and we weren't particularly close. Given that, and the fact that the funeral would be populated with people I've spent the better part of the last four years trying to avoid, I decided I would send a sympathy card and pay my respects at Gma's grave in the upcoming weeks. Additionally, I'm scheduled to work tomorrow in a job that's not easy to cover with last-minute arrangements, as if I needed another excuse, but you guys understand. > > So I was cool with that. This morning, nada calls my office and gets my secretary (who's wise to what's going on). I make her take a message, which is, of course, that Gma and uncle died. Not ten minutes later my cell phone is ringing. I let it go to voicemail. It's dad again, informing my of the time/location of the funeral and reminding me that " you used to rearrange all of the magnets on her refrigerator when you were a little girl, and she used to tell you stories about the Great Depression. I think you liked that, " and to tell me that there would be bagpipes at the funeral and that my brother that I see maybe once every two years is flying in for the occasion. > > I know it's a guilt trip, so that's not the issue. I just get so angry that they think they have a right to manipulate me like this! And I wouldn't be surprised if I get some hate mail/messages next week for not going, but if I went, *they'd be there* with the added bonus of expecting hugs and sympathy. I think it was a pretty big step for me to send a card. I am fricking forty years old so I think I have the right to not go to a funeral if I don't want to. I will pay my respects to Grandma, just not on their terms. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I went through something similar in June. My grandmother ( a waif) died after a long illness. I got many e-mails and voicemails. Boyfriend listened to the voicemails so that I knew my grandmother had died. I ignored the e-mails. I stayed home from work for a day to be sad. My work sent me flowers. I did NOT go to the services. After 8 years of not seeing my relatives and all the flying monkeys, I had no desire to do so again. it was a hard decision but one I am EXTREMLY glad I made. If I had gone I can only imagine I'd still be curled up in a ball in the corner of my basement shaking and sobbing with PTSD. I believe this is one of the top 10 classic hoover maneuvers - the funeral manuever. It fits right in with the one they do when they pretend someone is dying, or when nada claims to be on her death bed, only this time the BPD gets to be the star of the funeral instead of the sick bed. Do not respond, do not respond, do not respond. As for post funeral hate mail, Yes I got that TOO!!! It took about 2 months and then some chick I've never heard of who married my abusive, sickening bada started sending me facebook hate messages about how I disgust her. I called the copsl!!!!! The cops told her to cease and desist, I have a paper trail, a police report, etc all lined up for my restraining order, should I ever need it. But I haven't heard from her since the cops talked to her. Stick to your guns!!! Good job!!!!! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM, anuria67854 wrote: > > > Good for you for sticking to your guns! I too think its a huge manipulation > on your parents' part. > > If this were happening to me, I think I would e-mail a brief response along > the lines of, " Thank you for letting me know. I'm sorry but I will not be > able to attend the services, but I am sending a card (and/or a flower > arrangement to her grave site) in sympathy. " > And then not accept or read any further communications from them at all on > the subject, period. > > And good for you for standing up for yourself and demanding that your > parents respect you AS a parent, and thereby protecting your children from > their manipulativeness. > > My younger Sister had to open up a can of emotional whup-ass on our nada to > clearly establish that Sister was the ultimate authority figure of her > little boy, The Mom, the " alpha wolf " , and nada was not allowed to over-ride > Sister, disregard Sister's parenting decisions, or openly disagree with or > criticize Sister's parenting decisions *in front of her child.* > > Sister had said to nada: " If you disagree with something I've said or done > RE parenting you can tell me privately, but NOT in front of my son. " Nada > disregarded this rule repeatedly, and so got " taken down " by Sister rather > dramatically in front of the child as a result. This happened when Sister > was driving nada back home after some errand or other, and my nephew was in > his car seat in the back. > > Sister told nada, " I've asked you to not do that, mother, and since you > won't respect my request then I don't want you around me or my son and you > can walk home, " and Sister pulled over to the side of the freeway and made > nada get out of the car. Nada was so totally shocked, panicked and cowed by > this that she actually, finally took Sister seriously and promised to abide > by that rule. (Sister allowed the shaken, frightened nada back into the car > and drove her home.) > > Its like my nada is and always has been a bully, THE dominant figure in our > foo and extended foo, and only a genuine, serious confrontation like that > made any impact on her. Nada finally learned to *respect* Sister as an > adult, her equal, and a parent. > > Its sad that the respect had to be gained by " force " , but, I admire my > Sister for taking a hard stand particularly because I know how difficult > that was for her to do. > > -Annie > > > > > > > I've been NC for almost 4 years after my mom made some disparaging > comments to my children and essentially scoffed at me when I confronted her > about it. She and dad still try to get to the kids via cards and drop-ins, > but I've been pretty good about keeping them away. The kids never see the > cards and we just don't answer the door. > > > > Yesterday my dad left a message that his mom (my grandma) and his > brother-in-law (my uncle) died, and that the funeral for Gma would be > Saturday. I haven't seen Gma in about 6 years and we weren't particularly > close. Given that, and the fact that the funeral would be populated with > people I've spent the better part of the last four years trying to avoid, I > decided I would send a sympathy card and pay my respects at Gma's grave in > the upcoming weeks. Additionally, I'm scheduled to work tomorrow in a job > that's not easy to cover with last-minute arrangements, as if I needed > another excuse, but you guys understand. > > > > So I was cool with that. This morning, nada calls my office and gets my > secretary (who's wise to what's going on). I make her take a message, which > is, of course, that Gma and uncle died. Not ten minutes later my cell phone > is ringing. I let it go to voicemail. It's dad again, informing my of the > time/location of the funeral and reminding me that " you used to rearrange > all of the magnets on her refrigerator when you were a little girl, and she > used to tell you stories about the Great Depression. I think you liked > that, " and to tell me that there would be bagpipes at the funeral and that > my brother that I see maybe once every two years is flying in for the > occasion. > > > > I know it's a guilt trip, so that's not the issue. I just get so angry > that they think they have a right to manipulate me like this! And I wouldn't > be surprised if I get some hate mail/messages next week for not going, but > if I went, *they'd be there* with the added bonus of expecting hugs and > sympathy. I think it was a pretty big step for me to send a card. I am > fricking forty years old so I think I have the right to not go to a funeral > if I don't want to. I will pay my respects to Grandma, just not on their > terms. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Wow, Annie, good for your sister! I wanna buy myself a can of that whup-ass!! > > > > I've been NC for almost 4 years after my mom made some disparaging comments to my children and essentially scoffed at me when I confronted her about it. She and dad still try to get to the kids via cards and drop-ins, but I've been pretty good about keeping them away. The kids never see the cards and we just don't answer the door. > > > > Yesterday my dad left a message that his mom (my grandma) and his brother-in-law (my uncle) died, and that the funeral for Gma would be Saturday. I haven't seen Gma in about 6 years and we weren't particularly close. Given that, and the fact that the funeral would be populated with people I've spent the better part of the last four years trying to avoid, I decided I would send a sympathy card and pay my respects at Gma's grave in the upcoming weeks. Additionally, I'm scheduled to work tomorrow in a job that's not easy to cover with last-minute arrangements, as if I needed another excuse, but you guys understand. > > > > So I was cool with that. This morning, nada calls my office and gets my secretary (who's wise to what's going on). I make her take a message, which is, of course, that Gma and uncle died. Not ten minutes later my cell phone is ringing. I let it go to voicemail. It's dad again, informing my of the time/location of the funeral and reminding me that " you used to rearrange all of the magnets on her refrigerator when you were a little girl, and she used to tell you stories about the Great Depression. I think you liked that, " and to tell me that there would be bagpipes at the funeral and that my brother that I see maybe once every two years is flying in for the occasion. > > > > I know it's a guilt trip, so that's not the issue. I just get so angry that they think they have a right to manipulate me like this! And I wouldn't be surprised if I get some hate mail/messages next week for not going, but if I went, *they'd be there* with the added bonus of expecting hugs and sympathy. I think it was a pretty big step for me to send a card. I am fricking forty years old so I think I have the right to not go to a funeral if I don't want to. I will pay my respects to Grandma, just not on their terms. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 WTF does that chick think she is, sending you hate mail when she's never met you, and why the F does she care? If my boyfriend wasn't close to his sister, or didn't like his sister, or didn't have a relationship with her, I wouldn't stick my nose into it. That's absolutely none of my business and never would be. What a bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I may sound cynical, but I tend to view funerals as for the living. You can honor your gran without going, in the way you plan. So why feel guilty about not going to the funeral for the sake of nada and your father and the people you have successfully dodged for four years? Oh yeah - we are KO's and we are trained that way. Anyway, I agree with Annie. And sorry about your grandmother. Sent from my blueberry. > Good for you for sticking to your guns! I too think its a huge manipulation on your parents' part. > > If this were happening to me, I think I would e-mail a brief response along the lines of, " Thank you for letting me know. I'm sorry but I will not be able to attend the services, but I am sending a card (and/or a flower arrangement to her grave site) in sympathy. " > And then not accept or read any further communications from them at all on the subject, period. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Awwww thanks ! i know, what a bitch, right? It sounded in her e-mail that she had been pulled into the family dynamic - and fallen for all my nada's BS. It sounded like she was now taking on the role of caring for my poor, ill nada (ha, can't believe she fell for that, nada is a huge faker and works hard to try to be sicker, she also plays a sick role game that I can't believe people don't see through). It also sounded like my nada was starting to grate on her nerves and she didn't want to keep doing it. So instead of distance herself from my nada, she lashed out at me. It also sounded like my nada had been saying very lovely things about how I had abandoned her (NOT lovely), and blaming me for all her problems. Classic scapegoating. Once again, I'm nada's favorite scapegoat. What the hell? I heard from the girl about a year and half before that, she had a different last name though - so who knows. She said she was dating my brother and had read about me in the paper and thought we would make wonderful friends! Umm duh, I'd been NC for what was it - 6 years at that time - yeah, I really wanna become besties with someone who is dating a dude who abused me to the point that I spent my early adolesence in the bathroom holding a razor blade and crying and shaking wanting to end it all but scared to do it. I just totally ignored it and chalked it up to a super bizarro clueless chick. But I saved the e-mail for the restraining order and I was able to give both messages to the cops. I guess I have her to thank though, because after that happened I got very aggressive about finding a good T, and I did and I've come a hell of a long way since. So thank you psycho sister in law bitch from hell for attacking me at random and sending me to therapy Next pillow I embroider is going to say " Thank you for your e-mail, I am saving it for evidence in the restraining order. " HA HA, that's my real message to my FOO. > > > I may sound cynical, but I tend to view funerals as for the living. You can > honor your gran without going, in the way you plan. So why feel guilty about > not going to the funeral for the sake of nada and your father and the people > you have successfully dodged for four years? Oh yeah - we are KO's and we > are trained that way. > Anyway, I agree with Annie. And sorry about your grandmother. > > > > Sent from my blueberry. > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:31 PM, " anuria67854 " > wrote: > > > Good for you for sticking to your guns! I too think its a huge > manipulation on your parents' part. > > > > If this were happening to me, I think I would e-mail a brief response > along the lines of, " Thank you for letting me know. I'm sorry but I will not > be able to attend the services, but I am sending a card (and/or a flower > arrangement to her grave site) in sympathy. " > > And then not accept or read any further communications from them at all > on the subject, period. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hey guys, Thanks to all who responded. I didn't go to the funeral. I told two people who are familiar with the situation about my decision, and they both responded " Well of course you shouldn't go! " so that helped. The more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with my decision: why would I walk into an already emotionally-charged event after nearly four years of no contact to mingle with people with unpredictable behavior? So on Saturday night, I played soccer for an hour, came home and poured myself a glass of wine. I sat on the couch, my dog curled up at my feet, and I worked on crocheting an afghan for my daughter while watching Sigourney Weaver kick some extraterrestrial butt on " Alien " . It was one of the best evenings I've had in a long time. > > > > > Good for you for sticking to your guns! I too think its a huge > > manipulation on your parents' part. > > > > > > If this were happening to me, I think I would e-mail a brief response > > along the lines of, " Thank you for letting me know. I'm sorry but I will not > > be able to attend the services, but I am sending a card (and/or a flower > > arrangement to her grave site) in sympathy. " > > > And then not accept or read any further communications from them at all > > on the subject, period. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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