Interesting anoyone else have this experience

[Guest guest]

Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one did some

really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work and did

more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't working can

we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't keep taking

it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems to be right on

key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable mentally and she had BPD

although it was never to my knowledge really called that, it was some other

things instead from time to time.  He said that even though I might not have

gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be considered bipolar that

some people with depression issues also need a mood stabilizer, so far it has

worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow I managed to escape the full

fledged disease process but still wound up with some of the mood issue,

grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With still

depression/GAD as teh diagnosis. 

More later

Prof Laf

[Guest guest]

Proflaf,

I had a sort of different situation, but yes, having a BPD parent can make you

be depressed and even clinically depressed. My issue was actually hormonal, and

I was prescribed birth control and Prozac to take in conjunction with my

menstrual period. However, after some experimentation, we found that I only need

the birth control, because it's really just hormonal (my mood swings) and the

Prozac did more harm than good. I have found that since taking the meds that I

have learned to regulate my emotions more, and being in therapy has also helped.

We get " fleas " from having nadas; they are learned behaviors, impressions nadas

leave on us. Sometimes meds can help you regulate your moods while you seek

therapy and learn how to regulate your emotions so you don't need the meds. I'm

not sure that it has anything to do with escaping the disease as it does with

being raised by a BPD, and children learn to imitate the behaviors of the adults

in their life. So if it's learned behavior and not caused the way BPD is

caused--abuse or possibly genetic--then technically you should be able to

unlearn those bad behaviors. I'm just speculating here. Remember, I don't have

any education in psychology, just what I've read. Annie would probably have a

good answer for this.

>

> Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one did some

really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work and did

more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't working can

we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't keep taking

it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems to be right on

key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable mentally and she had BPD

although it was never to my knowledge really called that, it was some other

things instead from time to time.  He said that even though I might not have

gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be considered bipolar that

some people with depression issues also need a mood stabilizer, so far it has

worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow I managed to escape the full

fledged disease process but still wound up with some of the mood issue,

grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With still

> depression/GAD as teh diagnosis. 

>

> More later

> Prof Laf

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

THing is I learned in therapy not to act on the mood swings, don't mean that

they aren't there, but I just shut my mouth, and for me it's always during PMS

that I get the worst of it, but sometimes what I'll have happen is that I'll be

stable when I'm sleepign and doing what I need to do then I get a cold and get

thrown off track completely and the mood screws up.

Thanks

proflaf

Subject: Re: Interesting anoyone else have this experience

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 2:46 AM

 

Proflaf,

I had a sort of different situation, but yes, having a BPD parent can make you

be depressed and even clinically depressed. My issue was actually hormonal, and

I was prescribed birth control and Prozac to take in conjunction with my

menstrual period. However, after some experimentation, we found that I only need

the birth control, because it's really just hormonal (my mood swings) and the

Prozac did more harm than good. I have found that since taking the meds that I

have learned to regulate my emotions more, and being in therapy has also helped.

We get " fleas " from having nadas; they are learned behaviors, impressions nadas

leave on us. Sometimes meds can help you regulate your moods while you seek

therapy and learn how to regulate your emotions so you don't need the meds. I'm

not sure that it has anything to do with escaping the disease as it does with

being raised by a BPD, and children learn to imitate the behaviors of the adults

in their life. So if it's learned behavior and not caused the way BPD is

caused--abuse or possibly genetic--then technically you should be able to

unlearn those bad behaviors. I'm just speculating here. Remember, I don't have

any education in psychology, just what I've read. Annie would probably have a

good answer for this.

>

> Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one did

some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work and

did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't working

can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't keep taking

it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems to be right on

key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable mentally and she had BPD

although it was never to my knowledge really called that, it was some other

things instead from time to time.  He said that even though I might not have

gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be considered bipolar that

some people with depression issues also need a mood stabilizer, so far it has

worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow I managed to escape the full

fledged disease process but still wound up with some of the mood issue,

grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With

still

> depression/GAD as teh diagnosis. 

>

> More later

> Prof Laf

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I'm not bipolar but I take meds for it. Helps a ton. Also got an IUD

for the hormonal stuff, which was nearly deadly to me at times.

>

>

> THing is I learned in therapy not to act on the mood swings, don't mean

> that they aren't there, but I just shut my mouth, and for me it's always

> during PMS that I get the worst of it, but sometimes what I'll have happen

> is that I'll be stable when I'm sleepign and doing what I need to do then I

> get a cold and get thrown off track completely and the mood screws up.

>

> Thanks

> proflaf

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Interesting anoyone else have this

> experience

> To: WTOAdultChildren1

> Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 2:46 AM

>

>

>

>

> Proflaf,

>

> I had a sort of different situation, but yes, having a BPD parent can make

> you be depressed and even clinically depressed. My issue was actually

> hormonal, and I was prescribed birth control and Prozac to take in

> conjunction with my menstrual period. However, after some experimentation,

> we found that I only need the birth control, because it's really just

> hormonal (my mood swings) and the Prozac did more harm than good. I have

> found that since taking the meds that I have learned to regulate my emotions

> more, and being in therapy has also helped.

>

> We get " fleas " from having nadas; they are learned behaviors, impressions

> nadas leave on us. Sometimes meds can help you regulate your moods while you

> seek therapy and learn how to regulate your emotions so you don't need the

> meds. I'm not sure that it has anything to do with escaping the disease as

> it does with being raised by a BPD, and children learn to imitate the

> behaviors of the adults in their life. So if it's learned behavior and not

> caused the way BPD is caused--abuse or possibly genetic--then technically

> you should be able to unlearn those bad behaviors. I'm just speculating

> here. Remember, I don't have any education in psychology, just what I've

> read. Annie would probably have a good answer for this.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Interesting. Went to a new psychiatrist the other day. THe last one did

> some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work

> and did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't

> working can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't

> keep taking it. Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems

> to be right on key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable

> mentally and she had BPD although it was never to my knowledge really called

> that, it was some other things instead from time to time. He said that even

> though I might not have gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be

> considered bipolar that some people with depression issues also need a mood

> stabilizer, so far it has worked. Any of you heard this before??? Somehow

> I managed to escape the full fledged disease process but still wound up with

> some of the mood issue, grrrrrrrrrrrrr. With

> still

>

> > depression/GAD as teh diagnosis.

>

> >

>

> > More later

>

> > Prof Laf

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm not qualified to even speculate on someone's meds, but I have read that

different meds work differently on different people which is why it takes a

psychiatrist (a full-trained medical doctor and a fully trained psychologist in

one) to help a patient work out which meds will work best for him or her on an

individual basis. Then add possible drug interactions into the mix, and it

becomes exponentially complicated.

From my own personal experience, I am a big fan of meds under several

circumstances. I benefited greatly from a short course of anti-anxiety meds

during a time of great stress in my life; when the stressor disappeared (I made

it disappear: I changed jobs) I no longer needed the meds. I benefited from

sleeping pills when I was doing a lot of overseas travel, and I'd get enough of

them from my doctor for each trip to help me adjust more easily to the extreme

time changes. I benefited greatly from the wonder-drug morphine after major

surgery. No wonder people get addicted to that stuff, its fantastic!

So, I personally would not have any problem going on an anti-depressant if I

started feeling that I was sliding into a scary depression, and I'd realize

ahead of time that maybe I'd have to try two or three different meds to see

which one worked best for me.

To me there is no shame in needing a med to correct a brain-chemistry imbalance

any more than there is shame in needing prescription glasses to correct poor

vision (which I also utilize.)

-Annie

> >

> > Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one did

some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work and

did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't working

can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't keep taking

it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems to be right on

key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable mentally and she had BPD

although it was never to my knowledge really called that, it was some other

things instead from time to time.  He said that even though I might not have

gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be considered bipolar that

some people with depression issues also need a mood stabilizer, so far it has

worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow I managed to escape the full

fledged disease process but still wound up with some of the mood issue,

grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With still

> > depression/GAD as teh diagnosis. 

> >

> > More later

> > Prof Laf

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I get really frustrated with people - like waif boss - who need meds and

therapy but won't get them. Need it - no shame in that, good for you for

accepting help. Need it and refuse it - you should be ashamed for settling

for less than your life could be and also for the drama you inflict on

others.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:39 AM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> I'm not qualified to even speculate on someone's meds, but I have read that

> different meds work differently on different people which is why it takes a

> psychiatrist (a full-trained medical doctor and a fully trained psychologist

> in one) to help a patient work out which meds will work best for him or her

> on an individual basis. Then add possible drug interactions into the mix,

> and it becomes exponentially complicated.

>

> From my own personal experience, I am a big fan of meds under several

> circumstances. I benefited greatly from a short course of anti-anxiety meds

> during a time of great stress in my life; when the stressor disappeared (I

> made it disappear: I changed jobs) I no longer needed the meds. I benefited

> from sleeping pills when I was doing a lot of overseas travel, and I'd get

> enough of them from my doctor for each trip to help me adjust more easily to

> the extreme time changes. I benefited greatly from the wonder-drug morphine

> after major surgery. No wonder people get addicted to that stuff, its

> fantastic!

>

> So, I personally would not have any problem going on an anti-depressant if

> I started feeling that I was sliding into a scary depression, and I'd

> realize ahead of time that maybe I'd have to try two or three different meds

> to see which one worked best for me.

>

> To me there is no shame in needing a med to correct a brain-chemistry

> imbalance any more than there is shame in needing prescription glasses to

> correct poor vision (which I also utilize.)

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Interesting. Went to a new psychiatrist the other day. THe last one

> did some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't

> work and did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this

> isn't working can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you

> can't keep taking it. Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy

> seems to be right on key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable

> mentally and she had BPD although it was never to my knowledge really called

> that, it was some other things instead from time to time. He said that even

> though I might not have gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be

> considered bipolar that some people with depression issues also need a mood

> stabilizer, so far it has worked. Any of you heard this before??? Somehow

> I managed to escape the full fledged disease process but still wound up with

> some of the mood issue, grrrrrrrrrrrrr. With still

> > > depression/GAD as teh diagnosis.

> > >

> > > More later

> > > Prof Laf

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Amen sister to the thing that people who need meds and therapy but refuse them,

or like one girl I work with and have to correct, dont' realize that their tone

of voice is what sends other people over the edge.  I work with a few women I'd

like to throw a bit of mood stabilizers/antidepressants in the mix at because

they react too much on emotions rather than real life

I just think it's interesting that despite managing to not have BPD myself that

I can have enough mood issues to need a mood stabilizer although from my reading

it's also being used for plain old depression as well, and not be bipolar.  Like

I think I commented before, I'm one who when I know I'm feeling like an you know

what I try to shut my mouth unlike most borderlines/nadas I know who explode and

act on every emotion instead of thinking ok wait a minute is this reasonable,

most of the reasons I get really ticked are good reasons and the few times I got

extra irritable when I was on too high a dose of medicaiton.

I admit I still have a few fleas to crush, at the same time man glad I am not

like nada dearest who slammed doors when she was pissed at us for living or

somethign she thought dad or I said.

I think counseling helped a lot however I'm stuck with meds atleast for now. 

Although I agree, a good psychiatrist is a MUST, a good one at that, I've met

some who I wouldn't take my dog to let alone myself because they were so bad.

More later

Marie

>

>

> I'm not qualified to even speculate on someone's meds, but I have read that

> different meds work differently on different people which is why it takes a

> psychiatrist (a full-trained medical doctor and a fully trained psychologist

> in one) to help a patient work out which meds will work best for him or her

> on an individual basis. Then add possible drug interactions into the mix,

> and it becomes exponentially complicated.

>

> From my own personal experience, I am a big fan of meds under several

> circumstances. I benefited greatly from a short course of anti-anxiety meds

> during a time of great stress in my life; when the stressor disappeared (I

> made it disappear: I changed jobs) I no longer needed the meds. I benefited

> from sleeping pills when I was doing a lot of overseas travel, and I'd get

> enough of them from my doctor for each trip to help me adjust more easily to

> the extreme time changes. I benefited greatly from the wonder-drug morphine

> after major surgery. No wonder people get addicted to that stuff, its

> fantastic!

>

> So, I personally would not have any problem going on an anti-depressant if

> I started feeling that I was sliding into a scary depression, and I'd

> realize ahead of time that maybe I'd have to try two or three different meds

> to see which one worked best for me.

>

> To me there is no shame in needing a med to correct a brain-chemistry

> imbalance any more than there is shame in needing prescription glasses to

> correct poor vision (which I also utilize.)

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one

> did some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't

> work and did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this

> isn't working can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you

> can't keep taking it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy

> seems to be right on key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable

> mentally and she had BPD although it was never to my knowledge really called

> that, it was some other things instead from time to time.  He said that even

> though I might not have gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be

> considered bipolar that some people with depression issues also need a mood

> stabilizer, so far it has worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow

> I managed to escape the full fledged disease process but still wound up with

> some of the mood issue, grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With still

> > > depression/GAD as teh diagnosis.

> > >

> > > More later

> > > Prof Laf

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks glad I'm not the only one!

proflaf

>

>

> Subject: Re: Interesting anoyone else have this

> experience

> To: WTOAdultChildren1

> Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 2:46 AM

>

>

>

>

> Proflaf,

>

> I had a sort of different situation, but yes, having a BPD parent can make

> you be depressed and even clinically depressed. My issue was actually

> hormonal, and I was prescribed birth control and Prozac to take in

> conjunction with my menstrual period. However, after some experimentation,

> we found that I only need the birth control, because it's really just

> hormonal (my mood swings) and the Prozac did more harm than good. I have

> found that since taking the meds that I have learned to regulate my emotions

> more, and being in therapy has also helped.

>

> We get " fleas " from having nadas; they are learned behaviors, impressions

> nadas leave on us. Sometimes meds can help you regulate your moods while you

> seek therapy and learn how to regulate your emotions so you don't need the

> meds. I'm not sure that it has anything to do with escaping the disease as

> it does with being raised by a BPD, and children learn to imitate the

> behaviors of the adults in their life. So if it's learned behavior and not

> caused the way BPD is caused--abuse or possibly genetic--then technically

> you should be able to unlearn those bad behaviors. I'm just speculating

> here. Remember, I don't have any education in psychology, just what I've

> read. Annie would probably have a good answer for this.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Interesting.  Went to a new psychiatrist the other day.  THe last one did

> some really stupid things including put me on a sleep aid that didn't work

> and did more damage than good and when I called and said politely this isn't

> working can we please take me off the medicaiton, I got the old no you can't

> keep taking it.  Big red flag in my experience, anyhnow, the new guy seems

> to be right on key, I mentioned since my mother was EXTREMELY unstable

> mentally and she had BPD although it was never to my knowledge really called

> that, it was some other things instead from time to time.  He said that even

> though I might not have gotten the disorder or have enough mood swings to be

> considered bipolar that some people with depression issues also need a mood

> stabilizer, so far it has worked.  Any of you heard this before???  Somehow

> I managed to escape the full fledged disease process but still wound up with

> some of the mood issue, grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  With

> still

>

> > depression/GAD as teh diagnosis.

>

> >

>

> > More later

>

> > Prof Laf

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I missed this post first time around, but have some interesting information to

add:

PTSD & " fight or flight' hormones puts a huge stress on our metabolic system.

The constant drain on our adrenal glands cause it to start picking and choosing

what it deems 'necessary' functions. The adrenals not only control cortisol

(stress hormone), but many other hormones: digestion/pancreas, kidneys,

reproductive, etc.

If your adrenal gland is whipped from a childhood of hell, it stands to reason

some of your parts aren't going to function correctly without help.

Add to that, many if us have tried to use junk food or alcohol to mitigate the

effects of our parent(s). This only makes the adrenal gland more compromised.