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That is an amazing and humourous story,n! You really have me giggling overhere...love, Kate Re: Curious -> optic neuritis> > ,> > I can't tell you how to tell the difference.. . Turns out what I > always > thought was eyestrain.. was actually optic neuritis in my case.. > I guess > I've had the double vision, only didn't realize it was double > vision (I > don't actually see two of things, which is what I always thought > double > vision would be like).. I do suffer from.. I guess it would be > blurred > vision.. but for the longest time thought that I just needed to > have a > prescription change in my glasses.. until I realized that today > it would > be my left eye, and tomorrow maybe my right eye.. and sometimes > it > happens within hours.. I rarely don't have to turn my head to > one side > or the other to read stuff on the internet, or email and such...> > But the pain I was having.. is what I've always thought of as > eyestrain.. moving my eye right or left or up or down would > cause what I > would think of as the eye muscles hurting.. and it turned out to > be > optic neuritis.. (I've had that type of thing happen nearly all > my > life.. but when I was a child.. I was told to take my nose out > of the > books.. because that's what was causing the "eye strain".. > hmmm.. got> to > wonder now though)..> > Hope this helps> > HUGS> |)onna> > Thallas wrote:> > How can you tell the difference between optic neuritis and > just plain> old> > everyday eyestrain? My eyesight is very bad, and I do a lot > of small> > handwork and computer work that tires out my poor little eyeballs...> >> > > >> > in> WY > > "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."> > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ liadains_ fancies> > http://practical- blackwork. blogspot. com > > > http://practicalblackwork.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> >

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You guys just had the most wonderful love story ever.. ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ -- Re: Curious - optic neuritis ,I can't tell you how to tell the difference.. . Turns out what I always thought was eyestrain.. was actually optic neuritis in my case.. I guess I've had the double vision, only didn't realize it was double vision (I don't actually see two of things, which is what I always thought double vision would be like).. I do suffer from.. I guess it would be blurred vision.. but for the longest time thought that I just needed to have a prescription change in my glasses.. until I realized that today it would be my left eye, and tomorrow maybe my right eye.. and sometimes it happens within hours.. I rarely don't have to turn my head to one side or the other to read stuff on the internet, or email and such...But the pain I was having.. is what I've always thought of as eyestrain.. moving my eye right or left or up or down would cause what I would think of as the eye muscles hurting.. and it turned out to be optic neuritis.. (I've had that type of thing happen nearly all my life.. but when I was a child.. I was told to take my nose out of the books.. because that's what was causing the "eye strain".. hmmm.. got to wonder now though)..Hope this helpsHUGS|)onna Thallas wrote:> How can you tell the difference between optic neuritis and just plain old> everyday eyestrain? My eyesight is very bad, and I do a lot of small> handwork and computer work that tires out my poor little eyeballs...>> >> in WY > "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ liadains_ fancies> http://practical- blackwork. blogspot. com > http://practicalblackwork.com>>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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What sweet memories, n. I'm sure you miss him so much. It sounds like he was very clever and funny, indeed. Sharonjoin me on Facebook:Sharon Mars wobbletowalk@...This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:18:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis......etc. More of Hans, OT, funny

His other funny one took place--forgive me if I have recountedthis here before--when he was being fitted for an artificial eye.Very good place near us that does this. Hans sat down calmly,peering at them through his remaining blue eye and his eyepatch over the left eye. Then, with a totally straight face, hesaid, "I hope you can duplicate it exactly." They assured himthat they could. Then he said (faking this completely), "Youknow that the removed eye was brown!" Then he crackedup and everyone in the place did, too.Then there was the first day that we went swimming at thelocal outdoor pool after he had gotten his new artificial eye.Hans was a champion diver, just dove off the board, emerged,came rushing to me, and said,

"n, what am I going to do?I think I dropped it at the bottom of the pool!" (He had done so.)So, I told him to go sit with the children, and I approached thelife-guard with this really sad story of this poor, embarrassedhusband who had dived so eagerly off his favorite board, andhad lost his brand, new, artificial eye at the bottom of the pool.The poor guard having no clue, asked me what the object looked like. I told him that it was like a large contact lense,only with the white of the eye and the blue iris and dark pupilpainted on to it. He nodded solemnly, took one dive, and retrieved the object, clearly both fascinated and a bit shocked.So I thanked him profusely; he refused a "tip," and I returnedit to Hans. Hans then sent into the men's room to re-installsaid artificial eye. As he was doing so, in front of the mirror,the man standing next to him,

said, "Oh, yeah! I do that, too,take out my contact lenses." Poor guy nearly fainted afterHans had finished with the one eye, did not appear to havecontact lenses nor a case, and ran out of the men's showerroom.He told me about that, so we got him a little case, just likea contact lense case, and he never failed to remove theartificial eye before entering the water--not ever again.My nephew noted that Hans had referred to having losthis eye. Nephew said, astounded, "Gee, how did you dothat. Hans explained first the surgery, then the event atthe local pool.This man proposed to me on Valentine's Day, had his own birthday on the 4th of July, and died on April 15th.He was always just side-splittingly entertaining, causingthe children to moan, "Aw! Gee! Papa! You are so corny!"But they did laugh.So did I, and still do, in remembering him,Love

to you, Sharon, and to you all,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 8:55:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis......etc.

Very interesting, n. Thanks for the information."Keep an eye on the children". I'm still chuckling over that one. love to you, too Sharonjoin me on Facebook:Sharon Mars wobbletowalk@ yahoo.comThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:02:38 PMSubject: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis. .....etc.

Sharon, any parasite can start the path toward cancer.What happened to Hans was (in addition to being mildlyhumorous as we went through it all), something that everyone should know about. That is why they test pregnantwoman for the parasite now; it most often shows up inthe eye or eyes of the newborn child. It cannot be cured,which is why it is so important for pregnant woman to bescreened for it, preferably even when contemplating pregnancy.Toxoplasmosis does not harm everyone. I got it--possibly when I was living in Mexico City--they testedme for Mononucleosis, then for parasites, and I alreadyhad no symptoms (after three weeks, mostly had beenfatigue and swollen glands), and my titres had risen sohigh (far, far higher than

Hans' had ever risen to Toxo,that they knew that my immune system was fighting itoff successfully. I have never had a symptom, never have.When Hans had the 9-hour Ophthalmology exam, theycould see a lesion in his left eye. When they removedthe eye about three weeks later, they apparently sawcancer cells and a beginning tumor as well. They explained to us that they had to take the eye out to prevent the spread of the malignancy to his brain, and thatthere was some risk, as eyes are filled with retinal veins,of spread through the blood stream to the liver, which is what happened. I think that he rather enjoyed hishigh-tech artificial eye, with a magnet inside his headand one on the back of the eye, so it turned when thehealthy eye turned!On the other hand, when I left the children with him--it was many years from the surgery to the liver cancer--I would

say, "Do you mind keeping 'an eye' on the children,to which I knew that he would reply, "Do you think that is really wise (ONE eye)?" Then we would both laugh.Nowadays, they would likely have used some form oftreatment from the moment they saw the lesion, someform of chemotherapy. All the standard cancer treatmentseventually were employed, but he died peacefully.The greater trauma was and still is, these 27 years later,to the kids--I am doing pretty well as a widow, but Hanswas complex and the kids have so many unresolved andmixed feelings, much as they loved him and me.Love to you, Sharon and to all here---with whatever wemust try to live with each day,nFrom: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 4:40:21 PMSubject: n, Toxoplasmosis. ......Re: double vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis, lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

I didn't know Toxoplasmosis could cause cancer. How interesting? And how sad for your hubby (and you). I'm sorry. I never eat raw beef and I always scrub my hands after cleaning the litter boxes. Always! Sharonjoin me on Facebook:Sharon Mars wobbletowalk@ yahoo.comThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 3:55:57 PMSubject: Re: double vision--Re:

Curious -

optic neuritis, lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

O.K., as one with one lazy eye--oddly the one withthe better vision--here goes--this applies with or withoutMS. We have two eyes to give us depth perception.Our brains have to choose which eye to focus from theposition of. My brain chooses to focus with the left eye,so that all that I see is seen from the location of the lefteye and its visual apparatus. One can test this by pointingto something, say a corner of the room up near the ceiling,then covering each eye in turn. If you cover the dominanteye, everything will change; when you cover the non-dominanteye, everything will stay the same, that is, not move left to rightnor right to left.As it happens, my dominant, focusing eye is the more near-sighted one, no problem

as they can correct my vision justfine with my fancy trifocals. So, with my glasses on, my lefteye rules, and my right eye gives me depth perception.However, as my vision is very, very much better in my righteye (barely near-sighted at all), there are times in the daywhen I can watch television just fine with my right eye, sansglasses, but I am uncomfortable walking around without myglasses as my brain cannot adjust to the dominance of thethe right eye. (This has almost nothing to do with which handone uses for writing, or cutting or slicing, etc.).So, I am sure that you can guess which eye was first struckwhen i was 19, by MS-caused optic neuritis. You got it;the left one: and to think that I drove to the Ophthalmologist,and up to OHSU in Portland where I was hospitalized and diagnosed by Roy Swank, M.D. (who lived to 96).My husband had a parasite infection

in his left eye, andultimately died as the parasite caused cancer and thatspread to the liver. He probably had lost the sight ofhis left and non-dominant eye for about a year, whenone night at dinner, this extremely left-handed, left-footedman finally said, having rubbed his eyes, "n, why isit that I can see just fine out of my right eye, but I can onlysee the ceiling and the floor out of my left eye?" We calledour doctors, took him to the ER and he was admitted andwas examined for 9 hours the next day. The parasite wasToxoplasmosis. Do not eat raw beef or handle cat feces!My point? Periodically check to make sure that you canstill see as well or as badly as you normally do out of eacheye. Had optic neuritis hit my right eye, I might not havefigured out that something serious was

wrong for weeks!Love to you all, and to your eyes,nP.S. Every ophthalmologist or neurologist whom I haveever been a patient of has said that IF one is near-sighted,usually the more near-sighted eye is the dominant one.From: Connie Buran <chadma (AT) 1scom (DOT) net>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Tue, February 2, 2010 2:25:50 PMSubject: RE: double vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis

Sharon, I was cross-eyed

as a child. I also had lazy eye and wore an eye patch for a couple of years. Now

every once in a while, I will see double. It is usually when I am very tired.

Now I am wondering if it is MS not childhood eye issues.

Connie

From: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Sharon

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010

12:30 PM

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: double vision--Re:

Curious - optic neuritis

I also have double vision, especially when I am having

the most trouble with ms-fatigue. With mine, my eyes feel like they are

crossing. I never knew it was double vision because I didn't see double

either. But the opthamologist asked me questions and when he found out my

eyes were crossing he told me that was double vision. I told him when

that happened I would shake my head to try to straighten out my eyes and he

laughed. He said that's not going to work. rofl

Sharon

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9:56:00 AM

Subject: Re: Curious -

optic neuritis

,

I can't tell you how to tell the difference.. . Turns out what I always

thought was eyestrain.. was actually optic neuritis in my case.. I guess

I've had the double vision, only didn't realize it was double vision (I

don't actually see two of things, which is what I always thought double

vision would be like).. I do suffer from.. I guess it would be blurred

vision.. but for the longest time thought that I just needed to have a

prescription change in my glasses.. until I realized that today it would

be my left eye, and tomorrow maybe my right eye.. and sometimes it

happens within hours.. I rarely don't have to turn my head to one side

or the other to read stuff on the internet, or email and such...

But the pain I was having.. is what I've always thought of as

eyestrain.. moving my eye right or left or up or down would cause what I

would think of as the eye muscles hurting.. and it turned out to be

optic neuritis.. (I've had that type of thing happen nearly all my

life.. but when I was a child.. I was told to take my nose out of the

books.. because that's what was causing the "eye strain".. hmmm.. got

to

wonder now though)..

Hope this helps

HUGS

|)onna

Thallas wrote:

> How can you tell the difference between optic neuritis and just plain

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> everyday eyestrain? My eyesight is very bad, and I do a lot of small

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