RE: More of Hans, OT, funny....

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How wonderful that you have those great

memories to keep you smiling! ((((Hugs))))

From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of marion j rojas

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010

12:18 AM

To: MSersLife

Subject: Re: Re: n,

Toxoplasmosis......etc. More of Hans, OT, funny

His other funny one took place--forgive me if I have

recounted

this here before--when he was being fitted for an artificial eye.

Very good place near us that does this. Hans sat down calmly,

peering at them through his remaining blue eye and his eye

patch over the left eye. Then, with a totally straight face, he

said, " I hope you can duplicate it exactly. " They assured him

that they could. Then he said (faking this completely), " You

know that the removed eye was brown! " Then he cracked

up and everyone in the place did, too.

Then there was the first day that we went swimming at the

local outdoor pool after he had gotten his new artificial eye.

Hans was a champion diver, just dove off the board, emerged,

came rushing to me, and said, " n,

what am I going to do?

I think I dropped it at the bottom of the pool! " (He had done so.)

So, I told him to go sit with the children, and I approached the

life-guard with this really sad story of this poor, embarrassed

husband who had dived so eagerly off his favorite board, and

had lost his brand, new, artificial eye at the bottom of the pool.

The poor guard having no clue, asked me what the object

looked like. I told him that it was like a large contact lense,

only with the white of the eye and the blue iris and dark pupil

painted on to it. He nodded solemnly, took one dive, and re

trieved the object, clearly both fascinated and a bit shocked.

So I thanked him profusely; he refused a " tip, " and I returned

it to Hans. Hans then sent into the men's room to re-install

said artificial eye. As he was doing so, in front of the mirror,

the man standing next to him, said, " Oh, yeah! I do that, too,

take out my contact lenses. " Poor guy nearly fainted after

Hans had finished with the one eye, did not appear to have

contact lenses nor a case, and ran out of the men's shower

room.

He told me about that, so we got him a little case, just like

a contact lense case, and he never failed to remove the

artificial eye before entering the water--not ever again.

My nephew noted that Hans had referred to having lost

his eye. Nephew said, astounded, " Gee, how did you do

that. Hans explained first the surgery, then the event at

the local pool.

This man proposed to me on Valentine's Day, had his

own birthday on the 4th of July, and died on April 15th.

He was always just side-splittingly entertaining, causing

the children to moan, " Aw! Gee! Papa! You are so corny! "

But they did laugh.

So did I, and still do, in remembering him,

Love to you, Sharon, and to you all,

n

From: Sharon

<wobbletowalk (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

To: MSersLife

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

8:55:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis......etc.

Very interesting, n. Thanks for

the information.

" Keep an eye on the children " . I'm still chuckling over that

one.

love to you, too

Sharon

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From: marion j

rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

6:02:38 PM

Subject: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis.

......etc.

Sharon, any parasite can start the path

toward cancer.

What happened to Hans was (in addition to being mildly

humorous as we went through it all), something that every

one should know about. That is why they test pregnant

woman for the parasite now; it most often shows up in

the eye or eyes of the newborn child. It cannot be cured,

which is why it is so important for pregnant woman to be

screened for it, preferably even when contemplating

pregnancy.

Toxoplasmosis does not harm everyone. I got it--

possibly when I was living in Mexico

City--they tested

me for Mononucleosis, then for parasites, and I already

had no symptoms (after three weeks, mostly had been

fatigue and swollen glands), and my titres had risen so

high (far, far higher than Hans' had ever risen to Toxo,

that they knew that my immune system was fighting it

off successfully. I have never had a symptom, never have.

When Hans had the 9-hour Ophthalmology exam, they

could see a lesion in his left eye. When they removed

the eye about three weeks later, they apparently saw

cancer cells and a beginning tumor as well. They ex

plained to us that they had to take the eye out to pre

vent the spread of the malignancy to his brain, and that

there was some risk, as eyes are filled with retinal veins,

of spread through the blood stream to the liver, which

is what happened. I think that he rather enjoyed his

high-tech artificial eye, with a magnet inside his head

and one on the back of the eye, so it turned when the

healthy eye turned!

On the other hand, when I left the children with him--

it was many years from the surgery to the liver cancer--

I would say, " Do you mind keeping 'an eye' on the children,

to which I knew that he would reply, " Do you think that

is really wise (ONE eye)? " Then we would both laugh.

Nowadays, they would likely have used some form of

treatment from the moment they saw the lesion, some

form of chemotherapy. All the standard cancer treatments

eventually were employed, but he died peacefully.

The greater trauma was and still is, these 27 years later,

to the kids--I am doing pretty well as a widow, but Hans

was complex and the kids have so many unresolved and

mixed feelings, much as they loved him and me.

Love to you, Sharon and to all here---with whatever we

must try to live with each day,

n

From: Sharon

<wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

4:40:21 PM

Subject: n, Toxoplasmosis. ......Re: double

vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis, lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

I didn't know Toxoplasmosis could

cause cancer. How interesting? And how sad for your hubby (and

you). I'm sorry.

I never eat raw beef and I always scrub my hands after cleaning the litter

boxes. Always!

Sharon

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From: marion j

rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

3:55:57 PM

Subject: Re: double vision--Re:

Curious - optic neuritis, lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

O.K., as one with one lazy

eye--oddly the one with

the better vision--here goes--this applies with or without

MS. We have two eyes to give us depth perception.

Our brains have to choose which eye to focus from the

position of. My brain chooses to focus with the left eye,

so that all that I see is seen from the location of the left

eye and its visual apparatus. One can test this by pointing

to something, say a corner of the room up near the ceiling,

then covering each eye in turn. If you cover the dominant

eye, everything will change; when you cover the non-dominant

eye, everything will stay the same, that is, not move left to right

nor right to left.

As it happens, my dominant, focusing eye is the more near-

sighted one, no problem as they can correct my vision just

fine with my fancy trifocals. So, with my glasses on, my left

eye rules, and my right eye gives me depth perception.

However, as my vision is very, very much better in my right

eye (barely near-sighted at all), there are times in the day

when I can watch television just fine with my right eye, sans

glasses, but I am uncomfortable walking around without my

glasses as my brain cannot adjust to the dominance of the

the right eye. (This has almost nothing to do with which hand

one uses for writing, or cutting or slicing, etc.).

So, I am sure that you can guess which eye was first struck

when i was 19, by MS-caused optic neuritis. You got it;

the left one: and to think that I drove to the Ophthalmologist,

and up to OHSU in Portland

where I was hospitalized and

diagnosed by Roy Swank, M.D. (who lived to 96).

My husband had a parasite infection in his left eye, and

ultimately died as the parasite caused cancer and that

spread to the liver. He probably had lost the sight of

his left and non-dominant eye for about a year, when

one night at dinner, this extremely left-handed, left-footed

man finally said, having rubbed his eyes, " n, why is

it that I can see just fine out of my right eye, but I can only

see the ceiling and the floor out of my left eye? " We called

our doctors, took him to the ER and he was admitted and

was examined for 9 hours the next day. The parasite was

Toxoplasmosis. Do not eat raw beef or handle cat feces!

My point? Periodically check to make sure that you can

still see as well or as badly as you normally do out of each

eye. Had optic neuritis hit my right eye, I might not have

figured out that something serious was wrong for weeks!

Love to you all, and to your eyes,

n

P.S. Every ophthalmologist or neurologist whom I have

ever been a patient of has said that IF one is near-sighted,

usually the more near-sighted eye is the dominant one.

From: Connie

Buran <chadma (AT) 1scom (DOT) net>

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

2:25:50 PM

Subject: RE: double vision--Re:

Curious - optic neuritis

Sharon,

I was cross-eyed

as a child. I also had lazy eye and wore an eye patch for a couple of years.

Now every once in a while, I will see double. It is usually when I am very

tired. Now I am wondering if it is MS not childhood eye issues.

Connie

From:

MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:

MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Sharon

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010

12:30 PM

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: double vision--Re:

Curious - optic neuritis

I also have double vision, especially when I am having

the most trouble with ms-fatigue. With mine, my eyes feel like they are

crossing. I never knew it was double vision because I didn't see double

either. But the opthamologist asked me questions and when he found out my

eyes were crossing he told me that was double vision. I told him when

that happened I would shake my head to try to straighten out my eyes and he

laughed. He said that's not going to work. rofl

Sharon

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From: |)onna

<donnaisalwayz@ comcast.net>

To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010

9:56:00 AM

Subject: Re: Curious -

optic neuritis

,

I can't tell you how to tell the difference.. . Turns out what I always

thought was eyestrain.. was actually optic neuritis in my case.. I guess

I've had the double vision, only didn't realize it was double vision (I

don't actually see two of things, which is what I always thought double

vision would be like).. I do suffer from.. I guess it would be blurred

vision.. but for the longest time thought that I just needed to have a

prescription change in my glasses.. until I realized that today it would

be my left eye, and tomorrow maybe my right eye.. and sometimes it

happens within hours.. I rarely don't have to turn my head to one side

or the other to read stuff on the internet, or email and such...

But the pain I was having.. is what I've always thought of as

eyestrain.. moving my eye right or left or up or down would cause what I

would think of as the eye muscles hurting.. and it turned out to be

optic neuritis.. (I've had that type of thing happen nearly all my

life.. but when I was a child.. I was told to take my nose out of the

books.. because that's what was causing the " eye strain " .. hmmm.. got

to

wonder now though)..

Hope this helps

HUGS

|)onna

Thallas wrote:

> How can you tell the difference between optic neuritis and just

plain old

> everyday eyestrain? My eyesight is very bad, and I do a lot of small

> handwork and computer work that tires out my poor little eyeballs...

>

>

>

> in

WY

> " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... "

> http://www.flickr.

com/photos/ liadains_ fancies

> http://practical-

blackwork. blogspot. com

> http://practicalblackwork.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

n,

Just one question.... Did Hans do the " Pull my finger! " with the

children too???

does that.. rude, crude and socially unacceptable.. but the liddle

kids laughed hysterically.. the older kids (and he DOES try it with them

too).. just groan and roll their eyes..

HUGS

|)onna

Trisha wrote:

>

>

> How wonderful that you have those great memories to keep you smiling!

> ((((Hugs))))

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ]

> *On Behalf Of *marion j rojas

> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:18 AM

> *To:* MSersLife

> *Subject:* Re: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis......etc. More of

> Hans, OT, funny

>

>

>

>

>

> His other funny one took place--forgive me if I have recounted

> this here before--when he was being fitted for an artificial eye.

> Very good place near us that does this. Hans sat down calmly,

> peering at them through his remaining blue eye and his eye

> patch over the left eye. Then, with a totally straight face, he

> said, " I hope you can duplicate it exactly. " They assured him

> that they could. Then he said (faking this completely), " You

> know that the removed eye was brown! " Then he cracked

> up and everyone in the place did, too.

>

> Then there was the first day that we went swimming at the

> local outdoor pool after he had gotten his new artificial eye.

> Hans was a champion diver, just dove off the board, emerged,

> came rushing to me, and said, " n, what am I going to do?

> I think I dropped it at the bottom of the pool! " (He had done so.)

>

> So, I told him to go sit with the children, and I approached the

> life-guard with this really sad story of this poor, embarrassed

> husband who had dived so eagerly off his favorite board, and

> had lost his brand, new, artificial eye at the bottom of the pool.

>

> The poor guard having no clue, asked me what the object

> looked like. I told him that it was like a large contact lense,

> only with the white of the eye and the blue iris and dark pupil

> painted on to it. He nodded solemnly, took one dive, and re

> trieved the object, clearly both fascinated and a bit shocked.

> So I thanked him profusely; he refused a " tip, " and I returned

> it to Hans. Hans then sent into the men's room to re-install

> said artificial eye. As he was doing so, in front of the mirror,

> the man standing next to him, said, " Oh, yeah! I do that, too,

> take out my contact lenses. " Poor guy nearly fainted after

> Hans had finished with the one eye, did not appear to have

> contact lenses nor a case, and ran out of the men's shower

> room.

>

> He told me about that, so we got him a little case, just like

> a contact lense case, and he never failed to remove the

> artificial eye before entering the water--not ever again.

>

> My nephew noted that Hans had referred to having lost

> his eye. Nephew said, astounded, " Gee, how did you do

> that. Hans explained first the surgery, then the event at

> the local pool.

>

> This man proposed to me on Valentine's Day, had his

> own birthday on the 4th of July, and died on April 15th.

> He was always just side-splittingly entertaining, causing

> the children to moan, " Aw! Gee! Papa! You are so corny! "

> But they did laugh.

>

> So did I, and still do, in remembering him,

> Love to you, Sharon, and to you all,

> n

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* Sharon

> *To:* MSersLife

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 8:55:59 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Re: n, Toxoplasmosis......etc.

>

>

>

> Very interesting, n. Thanks for the information.

>

> " Keep an eye on the children " . I'm still chuckling over that one.

>

> love to you, too

>

>

>

> Sharon

> join me on Facebook:

> Sharon Mars

> wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com>

> This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in

> spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and

> in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

>

>

>

> //

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com>

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 6:02:38 PM

> *Subject:* Re: n, Toxoplasmosis. .....etc.

>

>

> Sharon, any parasite can start the path toward cancer.

> What happened to Hans was (in addition to being mildly

> humorous as we went through it all), something that every

> one should know about. That is why they test pregnant

> woman for the parasite now; it most often shows up in

> the eye or eyes of the newborn child. It cannot be cured,

> which is why it is so important for pregnant woman to be

> screened for it, preferably even when contemplating

> pregnancy.

>

> Toxoplasmosis does not harm everyone. I got it--

> possibly when I was living in Mexico City--they tested

> me for Mononucleosis, then for parasites, and I already

> had no symptoms (after three weeks, mostly had been

> fatigue and swollen glands), and my titres had risen so

> high (far, far higher than Hans' had ever risen to Toxo,

> that they knew that my immune system was fighting it

> off successfully. I have never had a symptom, never have.

>

> When Hans had the 9-hour Ophthalmology exam, they

> could see a lesion in his left eye. When they removed

> the eye about three weeks later, they apparently saw

> cancer cells and a beginning tumor as well. They ex

> plained to us that they had to take the eye out to pre

> vent the spread of the malignancy to his brain, and that

> there was some risk, as eyes are filled with retinal veins,

> of spread through the blood stream to the liver, which

> is what happened. I think that he rather enjoyed his

> high-tech artificial eye, with a magnet inside his head

> and one on the back of the eye, so it turned when the

> healthy eye turned!

>

> On the other hand, when I left the children with him--

> it was many years from the surgery to the liver cancer--

> I would say, " Do you mind keeping 'an eye' on the children,

> to which I knew that he would reply, " Do you think that

> is really wise (ONE eye)? " Then we would both laugh.

>

> Nowadays, they would likely have used some form of

> treatment from the moment they saw the lesion, some

> form of chemotherapy. All the standard cancer treatments

> eventually were employed, but he died peacefully.

>

> The greater trauma was and still is, these 27 years later,

> to the kids--I am doing pretty well as a widow, but Hans

> was complex and the kids have so many unresolved and

> mixed feelings, much as they loved him and me.

>

> Love to you, Sharon and to all here---with whatever we

> must try to live with each day,

> n

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 4:40:21 PM

> *Subject:* n, Toxoplasmosis. ......Re: double vision--Re:

> Curious - optic neuritis, lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

>

>

>

> I didn't know Toxoplasmosis could cause cancer. How interesting? And

> how sad for your hubby (and you). I'm sorry.

>

> I never eat raw beef and I always scrub my hands after cleaning the

> litter boxes. Always!

>

>

>

> Sharon

> join me on Facebook:

> Sharon Mars

> wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com>

> This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in

> spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and

> in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

>

>

>

> //

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com>

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 3:55:57 PM

> *Subject:* Re: double vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis,

> lazy eye, etc.. etc., etc.

>

>

> O.K., as one with one lazy eye--oddly the one with

> the better vision--here goes--this applies with or without

> MS. We have two eyes to give us depth perception.

>

> Our brains have to choose which eye to focus from the

> position of. My brain chooses to focus with the left eye,

> so that all that I see is seen from the location of the left

> eye and its visual apparatus. One can test this by pointing

> to something, say a corner of the room up near the ceiling,

> then covering each eye in turn. If you cover the dominant

> eye, everything will change; when you cover the non-dominant

> eye, everything will stay the same, that is, not move left to right

> nor right to left.

>

> As it happens, my dominant, focusing eye is the more near-

> sighted one, no problem as they can correct my vision just

> fine with my fancy trifocals. So, with my glasses on, my left

> eye rules, and my right eye gives me depth perception.

>

> However, as my vision is very, very much better in my right

> eye (barely near-sighted at all), there are times in the day

> when I can watch television just fine with my right eye, sans

> glasses, but I am uncomfortable walking around without my

> glasses as my brain cannot adjust to the dominance of the

> the right eye. (This has almost nothing to do with which hand

> one uses for writing, or cutting or slicing, etc.).

>

> So, I am sure that you can guess which eye was first struck

> when i was 19, by MS-caused optic neuritis. You got it;

> the left one: and to think that I drove to the Ophthalmologist,

> and up to OHSU in Portland where I was hospitalized and

> diagnosed by Roy Swank, M.D. (who lived to 96).

>

> My husband had a parasite infection in his left eye, and

> ultimately died as the parasite caused cancer and that

> spread to the liver. He probably had lost the sight of

> his left and non-dominant eye for about a year, when

> one night at dinner, this extremely left-handed, left-footed

> man finally said, having rubbed his eyes, " n, why is

> it that I can see just fine out of my right eye, but I can only

> see the ceiling and the floor out of my left eye? " We called

> our doctors, took him to the ER and he was admitted and

> was examined for 9 hours the next day. The parasite was

> Toxoplasmosis. Do not eat raw beef or handle cat feces!

>

>

> My point? Periodically check to make sure that you can

> still see as well or as badly as you normally do out of each

> eye. Had optic neuritis hit my right eye, I might not have

> figured out that something serious was wrong for weeks!

>

> Love to you all, and to your eyes,

> n

> P.S. Every ophthalmologist or neurologist whom I have

> ever been a patient of has said that IF one is near-sighted,

> usually the more near-sighted eye is the dominant one.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* Connie Buran <chadma (AT) 1scom (DOT) net>

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 2:25:50 PM

> *Subject:* RE: double vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis

>

>

>

> Sharon,

>

>

>

> I was cross-eyed as a child. I also had lazy eye and wore an eye patch

> for a couple of years. Now every once in a while, I will see double.

> It is usually when I am very tired. Now I am wondering if it is MS not

> childhood eye issues.

>

>

> Connie

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com> [mailto:

> MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com ] *On Behalf Of *Sharon

> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:30 PM

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

> *Subject:* double vision--Re: Curious - optic neuritis

>

>

>

>

>

> I also have double vision, especially when I am having the most

> trouble with ms-fatigue. With mine, my eyes feel like they are

> crossing. I never knew it was double vision because I didn't see

> double either. But the opthamologist asked me questions and when he

> found out my eyes were crossing he told me that was double vision. I

> told him when that happened I would shake my head to try to straighten

> out my eyes and he laughed. He said that's not going to work. rofl

>

>

>

> Sharon

> join me on Facebook:

> Sharon Mars

> wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com>

> This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in

> spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and

> in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

>

>

>

> //

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *From:* |)onna <donnaisalwayz@ comcast.net <http://comcast.net>>

> *To:* MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com

> *Sent:* Tue, February 2, 2010 9:56:00 AM

> *Subject:* Re: Curious - optic neuritis

>

> ,

>

> I can't tell you how to tell the difference.. . Turns out what I always

> thought was eyestrain.. was actually optic neuritis in my case.. I guess

> I've had the double vision, only didn't realize it was double vision (I

> don't actually see two of things, which is what I always thought double

> vision would be like).. I do suffer from.. I guess it would be blurred

> vision.. but for the longest time thought that I just needed to have a

> prescription change in my glasses.. until I realized that today it would

> be my left eye, and tomorrow maybe my right eye.. and sometimes it

> happens within hours.. I rarely don't have to turn my head to one side

> or the other to read stuff on the internet, or email and such...

>

> But the pain I was having.. is what I've always thought of as

> eyestrain.. moving my eye right or left or up or down would cause what I

> would think of as the eye muscles hurting.. and it turned out to be

> optic neuritis.. (I've had that type of thing happen nearly all my

> life.. but when I was a child.. I was told to take my nose out of the

> books.. because that's what was causing the " eye strain " .. hmmm.. got to

> wonder now though)..

>

> Hope this helps

>

> HUGS

> |)onna

>

> Thallas wrote:

> > How can you tell the difference between optic neuritis and just

> plain old

> > everyday eyestrain? My eyesight is very bad, and I do a lot of small

> > handwork and computer work that tires out my poor little eyeballs...

> >

> >

> >

> > in WY

> > " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... "

> > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ liadains_ fancies

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