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I should have known better!

My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my daughters

gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in their

beautiful cards.

But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis were

cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave me

is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act differently

and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

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Wow - Lynette's comment today comes to mind. " Nada is a bitch "

Unbelievable. I'll be amazed if she has any friends.

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> I should have known better!

> My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include

> my Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen

> out of a room.

> We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

> daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

> their beautiful cards.

> But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

> were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you

> gave me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of

> trouble to order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the

> earrings. I never got a thank you.

> I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act

> differently and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

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Their behavior is rather predictable, isn't it. Sadly.

Whenever I see the movie " Blazing Saddles " , the scene in it where " Lily Von

Schtupp " is given a lovely rose by her suitor, her tepid reaction to the gift

reminds me of my nada: " Oh... a wed wose. How ordinary. " as she accepts it and

tosses it behind her.

Yep. Nothing is ever good enough, so, I stopped trying, myself.

-Annie

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> I should have known better!

> My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act differently

and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

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Hey Jocelyne,

Your mom's a bitch.

Nothing you can do about it.

Lynnette

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> I should have known better!

> My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act differently

and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

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When I was a child, my mother routinely refused to accept gifts that I bought

her, because " she's only giving it to me because she feels guilty. " I was never

sure what I was supposed to have felt guilty about, except that I was a horrible

child. She would refuse to open them for hours, and then, with her best

victim/martyr face on, reluctantly open it. When I was older, she would open

the gift but then exclaim, " What am I going to do with that? " And she has an

issue with cards too. She wants them to be really mushy and say how wonderful

she is, which of course kills me to send. Once when my brother and I were still

living at home, she got mad that we handed her cards to her rather than mailing

them. We lived in the same house, for god's sake!

> Their behavior is rather predictable, isn't it. Sadly.

>

> Whenever I see the movie " Blazing Saddles " , the scene in it where " Lily Von

Schtupp " is given a lovely rose by her suitor, her tepid reaction to the gift

reminds me of my nada: " Oh... a wed wose. How ordinary. " as she accepts it and

tosses it behind her.

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> Yep. Nothing is ever good enough, so, I stopped trying, myself.

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> -Annie

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> > I should have known better!

> > My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> > We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> > But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> > I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act

differently and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

> >

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At Christmas nada admired a sweater in a store, an expensive sweater, and later

on I went back to the store and bought it for her. My stepfather bought her a

matching turtle neck to wear under it. She opened my gift and got all excited

and laughing that it was the gift that she wanted. Then opened my stepfather's

gift and said: oh nice, ANOTHER turtle neck.

She was pissy and pouty whenever anyone else opened their gifts, and only was

happy opening her gift if she liked it. She couldn't feign that she was happy to

receive a gift, even if it wasn't her style. She gave me a box of cookies as a

gift and a dvd. The dvd was fine, but I don't particularly like cookies and I am

in training as an athlete so I generally don't eat them. But I was thankful

anyhow that she at least tried to get me something. Isn't it the THOUGHT that

counts? Talk about selfish and self-centered.

BITCH.

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> I should have known better!

> My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act differently

and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

>

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This is very NPD. She didn't want you to get the attention. I would stay out of

situations where she has to share the limelight.

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> I should have known better!

> My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act differently

and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

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Once when I was 8, I picked out these cute embroidered handkerchiefs for my mom.

I thought the flowers on them were so pretty. Ok, not a very practical gift,

but I was 8! She did the, What am I going to do with these bit. I never forgot

it. Years later when I was in my 20's, my parents went to Denmark or Norway or

somewhere like that, and brought me back embroidered hankies. I know she saw

the amused and annoyed look on my face, and didn't know what it was about. I

agree--BITCH.

> At Christmas nada admired a sweater in a store, an expensive sweater, and

later on I went back to the store and bought it for her. My stepfather bought

her a matching turtle neck to wear under it. She opened my gift and got all

excited and laughing that it was the gift that she wanted. Then opened my

stepfather's gift and said: oh nice, ANOTHER turtle neck.

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> She was pissy and pouty whenever anyone else opened their gifts, and only was

happy opening her gift if she liked it. She couldn't feign that she was happy to

receive a gift, even if it wasn't her style. She gave me a box of cookies as a

gift and a dvd. The dvd was fine, but I don't particularly like cookies and I am

in training as an athlete so I generally don't eat them. But I was thankful

anyhow that she at least tried to get me something. Isn't it the THOUGHT that

counts? Talk about selfish and self-centered.

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> BITCH.

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> > I should have known better!

> > My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include my

Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of a

room.

> > We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> > But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> > I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act

differently and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

> >

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Your post reminded me of one of my nada's traits.

She has (or used to have) an excellent memory, and she would and did wait

literally *years* sometimes to " get me back " in a precisely parallel way when

she believed I had hurt her or disrespected her.

I found that very, very creepy.

Its as though she stored various incidents " on disc " and had instant access to

them, so when an opportunity presented itself she could call it up and... Gotcha

back!

Example. She was visiting me and decided (without my knowledge or permission)

to rearrange the furniture and knickknacks in my dining room. I said something

like, " Gee, mom, I liked it the way it was. I'm sorry you spent all that time

moving this stuff, I wish you'd asked me first. " She got snippy, didn't

apologize or offer to move the stuff back again, said it was a better layout,

etc., and I said, " Fine. Whatever. I'll just move it all back again myself after

you leave. "

So, many years later I'm visiting her house, and three of our cousins arrive to

take away a rather large and very heavy antique organ nada decided to give to

them. For some reason nada goes to another part of the house after she lets

them in; I have to show them where the organ is. The boys managed to pick the

thing up and were staggering down the hallway with it, so I quickly move a chair

and a coffee table a few feet out of their way so they won't trip or bump/mar

the furniture or the organ. The moment they make it out the door, nada is all

over me, scolding and criticizing me for moving her furniture without asking her

first, even though I was in the process of moving it back again!

Its just amazing and creepy, the way their minds work, I tells ya!

-Annie

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> > > I should have known better!

> > > My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to include

my Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the oxygen out of

a room.

> > > We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> > > But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The gnocchis

were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket you gave

me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of trouble to

order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the earrings. I never

got a thank you.

> > > I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act

differently and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

> > >

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That is creepy. I'd always assumed my mom forgot that I gave her the hankies

and that it was just a coincidence. But maybe she was consciously or

unconsciously getting me back. How weird!

> Your post reminded me of one of my nada's traits.

>

> She has (or used to have) an excellent memory, and she would and did wait

literally *years* sometimes to " get me back " in a precisely parallel way when

she believed I had hurt her or disrespected her.

>

> I found that very, very creepy.

>

> Its as though she stored various incidents " on disc " and had instant access to

them, so when an opportunity presented itself she could call it up and... Gotcha

back!

>

> Example. She was visiting me and decided (without my knowledge or permission)

to rearrange the furniture and knickknacks in my dining room. I said something

like, " Gee, mom, I liked it the way it was. I'm sorry you spent all that time

moving this stuff, I wish you'd asked me first. " She got snippy, didn't

apologize or offer to move the stuff back again, said it was a better layout,

etc., and I said, " Fine. Whatever. I'll just move it all back again myself after

you leave. "

>

> So, many years later I'm visiting her house, and three of our cousins arrive

to take away a rather large and very heavy antique organ nada decided to give to

them. For some reason nada goes to another part of the house after she lets them

in; I have to show them where the organ is. The boys managed to pick the thing

up and were staggering down the hallway with it, so I quickly move a chair and a

coffee table a few feet out of their way so they won't trip or bump/mar the

furniture or the organ. The moment they make it out the door, nada is all over

me, scolding and criticizing me for moving her furniture without asking her

first, even though I was in the process of moving it back again!

>

> Its just amazing and creepy, the way their minds work, I tells ya!

>

> -Annie

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> > > > I should have known better!

> > > > My daughters planned a lovely mother'day for me and we decided to

include my Nada.They are seldom in contact with her and feel she sucks the

oxygen out of a room.

> > > > We went to a lovely restaurant and exchanged presents.The presents my

daughters gave me,I will treasure forever,as well as the words they used in

their beautiful cards.

> > > > But here is word for word, the reaction I got from my Nada: " The

gnocchis were cold,the restaurant was the loudest I have ever been to,the jacket

you gave me is too short and the earrings are too long " I had gone to a lot of

trouble to order the jacket she had admired in a magazine as well as the

earrings. I never got a thank you.

> > > > I am mad at myself for being stupid enough to think she might act

differently and setting myself up for more disappointment and hurt feelings.

> > > >

> > >

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Your nada doesn't like sharing, can't be pleased and has to make sure everyone

else knows how put out and unhappy she is. She'll ruin more days/family time for

you only if you let her.

Your kids sound terrific--savor those relationships instead.

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I agree, and " sucking all the oxygen out of the room " is a good way to describe

this!

-Annie

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> Your nada doesn't like sharing, can't be pleased and has to make sure everyone

else knows how put out and unhappy she is. She'll ruin more days/family time for

you only if you let her.

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> Your kids sound terrific--savor those relationships instead.

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I have seen it both ways, complaining and minimizing the good, emphasising the

bad. And on the other end of the spectrum, going so Nada overboard, gushing

about a small bit of something, that it seem insincere, and saps the value from

every praise or thanks she gives.

Either way it comes down to this. Nada is entitled to all you have, all you can

give, all the world has to offer, and when anyone gives anything less, as is

inevitable, it is not enough.

After a while, you just stop.

I bought nada a new microwave. It was sitting unused on her counter when she

died. A TV. Unused, an old one she found in a yard sale in its place. A high

powered antenna, since she did not want cable. On top of her TV, unused, and

after I bought that, THEN she got cable.

You can only win with nada this way:

Do whatever you do for her because you want to. Do it for your reasons,

regardless of her responce. Or do nothing, for your reasons. If you are waiting

for her to act normal, and say, thanks, it was a nice time having dinner with my

family, nope, not gonna happen.

Doug

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i say amen to this doug, esp. the last part where you give us some good rules to

follow about giving, and i think not just to our nada's but to anyone we might

want to do something for.. do it out of love, for our own reasons, not expecting

anything necessarily in return, that way, if the person happens not to be a

nada, the thanks they migth give will be a bonus.  when we give out of love it

is indeed something that is its own reward.  thanks doug again for your insight

and thotfulness here.  blessings to all, ann

Subject: Re: Mother's day

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 8:44 AM

 

I have seen it both ways, complaining and minimizing the good, emphasising the

bad. And on the other end of the spectrum, going so Nada overboard, gushing

about a small bit of something, that it seem insincere, and saps the value from

every praise or thanks she gives.

Either way it comes down to this. Nada is entitled to all you have, all you can

give, all the world has to offer, and when anyone gives anything less, as is

inevitable, it is not enough.

After a while, you just stop.

I bought nada a new microwave. It was sitting unused on her counter when she

died. A TV. Unused, an old one she found in a yard sale in its place. A high

powered antenna, since she did not want cable. On top of her TV, unused, and

after I bought that, THEN she got cable.

You can only win with nada this way:

Do whatever you do for her because you want to. Do it for your reasons,

regardless of her responce. Or do nothing, for your reasons. If you are waiting

for her to act normal, and say, thanks, it was a nice time having dinner with my

family, nope, not gonna happen.

Doug

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