Guest guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Shortly before Mother's Day, I went NC with my mom (blocked phone numbers, got a new email address). We had been fighting non-stop since she broke up with her boyfriend in February. Before that, we had at least one intense argument each month for the year and a half prior. I had to start getting therapy, and my therapist gave me a book about borderline that really opened up my world. I then found the Kreger book, and I then had the courage to cut off contact with my mom. Since then, I've done a lot of reflecting, and I've realized how unhealthy the relationship has been. I see that many KOs had terrible childhoods, but mine was ok. I was never physically harmed, and my mom didn't criticize or rage at me. But... I am an only child, and I was a calm and agreeable kid, which means she always had my attention when she wanted it. And she did plenty of fighting with my dad. Honestly, I have no idea how I stayed so calm and agreeable, considering the yelling and emotional violence (they never hit each other) that was going on. Anyway... when my parents got divorced I was 22 (I am 29 now), and my mom started to focus more energy on me. (Calling every day, emailing multiple times a day). It seemed ok. I felt like... you know... she's lonely. She wasn't hostile, just highly annoying. She did seem to mostly talk about herself, interrupt me if I was talking, constantly tell me I should visit more often, and never really remember much about me (ranging from what I do at work, all the way to the fact that I don't drink soda). Then, 4 years later (3 years ago), I moved in with my now husband, and he started telling me to set some healthy boundaries with her. It didn't go smoothly at all. There were many many fights between me and my mom and me and my husband, and one that I am still not recovered from between all three of us. But I just couldn't do it... I couldn't set boundaries. I felt resentful toward my husband for " messing things up " (I realize now that he was 100% right in his request for boundaries). Then when my mom got this boyfriend (the first romance she has had since she left dad), it was like it empowered her. She REALLY started pushing boundaries - calling over and over until I would answer the phone, and showing up at my house without calling first, or calling first, and when I tell her it's not a good time, showing up at my house anyway. (The boyfriend always with her). And doing weird things like never answering the phone when I call and then saying I never call her. Or telling me she has plans already for Easter and then telling me it was wrong of me not to see her on Easter. And getting really mean and defensive when I tell her she went over on our cell phone minutes, when I am just stating a fact, and not at all being mean about it! So, when she broke up with the boyfriend, I was ready for her to go back to being just annoying, and stop being so hostile, accusatory, and defensive all the time. But it didn't happen!! Feb, March and April, were like the worst I have ever had with her, EVER. Calling over and over saying its an emergency, when it isn't, calling multiple times a day to tell me the same stories about the boyfriend, NEVER asking me a SINGLE question about how I am doing, and when I express my exhaustion, totally raging at me on the phone, and following it up with the most hurtful emails I can ever imagine!! But then, the next day, she apologizes, and wants to talk (NEEDS to talk... right NOW... just for minute, don't you have just a minute??) It all totally fits with BPD. So my question to you all is this: is it possible that she had BPD laying dormant in her system, and that it slowly emerged triggered my a romantic relationship, and then double-triggered by the end of the romantic relationship?? I have this hope that maybe it will go away and she'll go back to being tolerable, but I am wondering if maybe she won't? Maybe she was able to direct her disorder at my dad all those years, without directing it at me? And maybe this behavior was inevitable given that I'm grown up and married, and she could sense that boundaries might be coming, so she sabotaged herself by acting so forcefully AGAINST those impending boundaries, that I had to go ahead and set them, even though I didn't really want to?? Thank you for reading and sharing - I look forward to your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Hello, and welcome to the support group. I'm pretty new here too. I read your post...I am in a similar situation as far as childhoods go....my mom had her " break " (the first one that I noticed as not normal anyways) when I got engaged. And then it happened again when my sister got engaged, and when I moved to a different state for my husband's job, and then when my brother and sister went off to college. For my mom, as well as with many borderlines, it seems that the threat of abandonment is the trigger. It might be the same with yours. It also gets worse when someone is enabling her, which might be the case with your mom's boyfriend. In any case, glad you found us. It's been super helpful for me so far. > > > > Shortly before Mother's Day, I went NC with my mom (blocked phone numbers, got a new email address). We had been fighting non-stop since she broke up with her boyfriend in February. Before that, we had at least one intense argument each month for the year and a half prior. I had to start getting therapy, and my therapist gave me a book about borderline that really opened up my world. I then found the Kreger book, and I then had the courage to cut off contact with my mom. Since then, I've done a lot of reflecting, and I've realized how unhealthy the relationship has been. I see that many KOs had terrible childhoods, but mine was ok. I was never physically harmed, and my mom didn't criticize or rage at me. But... I am an only child, and I was a calm and agreeable kid, which means she always had my attention when she wanted it. And she did plenty of fighting with my dad. Honestly, I have no idea how I stayed so calm and agreeable, considering the yelling > and emotional violence (they never hit each other) that was going on. > > Anyway... when my parents got divorced I was 22 (I am 29 now), and my mom started to focus more energy on me. (Calling every day, emailing multiple times a day). It seemed ok. I felt like... you know... she's lonely. She wasn't hostile, just highly annoying. She did seem to mostly talk about herself, interrupt me if I was talking, constantly tell me I should visit more often, and never really remember much about me (ranging from what I do at work, all the way to the fact that I don't drink soda). Then, 4 years later (3 years ago), I moved in with my now husband, and he started telling me to set some healthy boundaries with her. It didn't go smoothly at > all. There were many many fights between me and my mom and me and my husband, and one that I am still not recovered from between all three of us. But I just couldn't do it... I couldn't set boundaries. I felt resentful toward my husband for " messing things up " (I realize now that he was 100% right in his request for boundaries). > > Then when my mom got this boyfriend (the first romance she has had since she left dad), it was like it empowered her. She REALLY started pushing boundaries - calling over and over until I would answer the phone, and showing up at my house without calling first, or calling first, and when I tell her it's not a good time, showing up at my house anyway. (The boyfriend always with her). And doing weird things like never answering the phone when I call and then saying I never call her. Or telling me she has plans already for Easter and then telling me it was wrong of me not to see her on Easter. And getting really mean and defensive when I tell her she went over on our > cell phone minutes, when I am just stating a fact, and not at all being mean about it! > > So, when she broke up with the boyfriend, I was ready for her to go back to being just annoying, and stop being so hostile, accusatory, and defensive all the time. But it didn't happen!! Feb, March and April, were like the worst I have ever had with her, EVER. Calling over and over saying its an emergency, when it isn't, calling multiple times a day to tell me the same stories about the boyfriend, NEVER asking me a SINGLE question about how I am doing, and when I express my exhaustion, totally raging at me on the phone, and following it up with the most hurtful emails I can ever imagine!! But then, the next day, she apologizes, and wants to talk (NEEDS to talk... right NOW... just for minute, don't you have just a minute??) > > It all totally fits with BPD. > So my question to you all is this: is it possible that she had BPD laying dormant in her system, > and that it slowly emerged triggered my a romantic relationship, and then double-triggered by the end of the romantic relationship?? I have this hope that maybe it will go away and she'll go back to being tolerable, but I am wondering if maybe she won't? Maybe she was able to direct her disorder at my dad all those years, without directing it at me? And maybe this behavior was inevitable given that I'm grown up and married, and she could sense that boundaries might be coming, so she sabotaged herself by acting so forcefully AGAINST those impending boundaries, that I had to go ahead and set them, even though I didn't really want to?? > > Thank you for reading and sharing - I look forward to your input. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Hello and welcome. Ditto, this sounds like an abandonment trigger. Until your marriage you were enmeshed and that worked for her. Set normal boundaries and POW On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:34 AM, last050811 wrote: > > > > Hello, and welcome to the support group. I'm pretty new here too. I read > your post...I am in a similar situation as far as childhoods go....my mom > had her " break " (the first one that I noticed as not normal anyways) when I > got engaged. And then it happened again when my sister got engaged, and when > I moved to a different state for my husband's job, and then when my brother > and sister went off to college. > > For my mom, as well as with many borderlines, it seems that the threat of > abandonment is the trigger. It might be the same with yours. It also gets > worse when someone is enabling her, which might be the case with your mom's > boyfriend. > > In any case, glad you found us. It's been super helpful for me so far. > > > > > > > > > > > Shortly before Mother's Day, I went NC with my mom (blocked phone > numbers, got a new email address). We had been fighting non-stop since she > broke up with her boyfriend in February. Before that, we had at least one > intense argument each month for the year and a half prior. I had to start > getting therapy, and my therapist gave me a book about borderline that > really opened up my world. I then found the Kreger book, and I then had the > courage to cut off contact with my mom. Since then, I've done a lot of > reflecting, and I've realized how unhealthy the relationship has been. I see > that many KOs had terrible childhoods, but mine was ok. I was never > physically harmed, and my mom didn't criticize or rage at me. But... I am an > only child, and I was a calm and agreeable kid, which means she always had > my attention when she wanted it. And she did plenty of fighting with my dad. > Honestly, I have no idea how I stayed so calm and agreeable, considering the > yelling > > and emotional violence (they never hit each other) that was going on. > > > > Anyway... when my parents got divorced I was 22 (I am 29 now), and my mom > started to focus more energy on me. (Calling every day, emailing multiple > times a day). It seemed ok. I felt like... you know... she's lonely. She > wasn't hostile, just highly annoying. She did seem to mostly talk about > herself, interrupt me if I was talking, constantly tell me I should visit > more often, and never really remember much about me (ranging from what I do > at work, all the way to the fact that I don't drink soda). Then, 4 years > later (3 years ago), I moved in with my now husband, and he started telling > me to set some healthy boundaries with her. It didn't go smoothly at > > all. There were many many fights between me and my mom and me and my > husband, and one that I am still not recovered from between all three of us. > But I just couldn't do it... I couldn't set boundaries. I felt resentful > toward my husband for " messing things up " (I realize now that he was 100% > right in his request for boundaries). > > > > Then when my mom got this boyfriend (the first romance she has had since > she left dad), it was like it empowered her. She REALLY started pushing > boundaries - calling over and over until I would answer the phone, and > showing up at my house without calling first, or calling first, and when I > tell her it's not a good time, showing up at my house anyway. (The boyfriend > always with her). And doing weird things like never answering the phone when > I call and then saying I never call her. Or telling me she has plans already > for Easter and then telling me it was wrong of me not to see her on Easter. > And getting really mean and defensive when I tell her she went over on our > > cell phone minutes, when I am just stating a fact, and not at all being > mean about it! > > > > So, when she broke up with the boyfriend, I was ready for her to go back > to being just annoying, and stop being so hostile, accusatory, and defensive > all the time. But it didn't happen!! Feb, March and April, were like the > worst I have ever had with her, EVER. Calling over and over saying its an > emergency, when it isn't, calling multiple times a day to tell me the same > stories about the boyfriend, NEVER asking me a SINGLE question about how I > am doing, and when I express my exhaustion, totally raging at me on the > phone, and following it up with the most hurtful emails I can ever imagine!! > But then, the next day, she apologizes, and wants to talk (NEEDS to talk... > right NOW... just for minute, don't you have just a minute??) > > > > It all totally fits with BPD. > > So my question to you all is this: is it possible that she had BPD laying > dormant in her system, > > and that it slowly emerged triggered my a romantic relationship, and then > double-triggered by the end of the romantic relationship?? I have this hope > that maybe it will go away and she'll go back to being tolerable, but I am > wondering if maybe she won't? Maybe she was able to direct her disorder at > my dad all those years, without directing it at me? And maybe this behavior > was inevitable given that I'm grown up and married, and she could sense that > boundaries might be coming, so she sabotaged herself by acting so forcefully > AGAINST those impending boundaries, that I had to go ahead and set them, > even though I didn't really want to?? > > > > Thank you for reading and sharing - I look forward to your input. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Thank you for reading and responding - I know it was rather lengthy! I think you were right about being enmeshed, and that it worked for her. I guess it just seemed strange to me that her behavior became so combative, when in reality, I wasn't doing anything differently than I had been. But I suppose that might be attributed to the " enabling " factor of the boyfriend. Sometimes I start to wonder if it's even worth trying to figure out. It's just what happened, regardless of why it happened. And my biggest challenge is to let go of the idea that I've " betrayed " her... it's just what she forced me to do by relentlessly testing my boundaries.... but boy, that is easier said than done! ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello, I'm new. This is my story. I'd like your input and support! Hello and welcome. Ditto, this sounds like an abandonment trigger. Until your marriage you were enmeshed and that worked for her. Set normal boundaries and POW On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:34 AM, last050811 wrote: > > > > Hello, and welcome to the support group. I'm pretty new here too. I read > your post...I am in a similar situation as far as childhoods go....my mom > had her " break " (the first one that I noticed as not normal anyways) when I > got engaged. And then it happened again when my sister got engaged, and when > I moved to a different state for my husband's job, and then when my brother > and sister went off to college. > > For my mom, as well as with many borderlines, it seems that the threat of > abandonment is the trigger. It might be the same with yours. It also gets > worse when someone is enabling her, which might be the case with your mom's > boyfriend. > > In any case, glad you found us. It's been super helpful for me so far. > > > > > > > > > > > Shortly before Mother's Day, I went NC with my mom (blocked phone > numbers, got a new email address). We had been fighting non-stop since she > broke up with her boyfriend in February. Before that, we had at least one > intense argument each month for the year and a half prior. I had to start > getting therapy, and my therapist gave me a book about borderline that > really opened up my world. I then found the Kreger book, and I then had the > courage to cut off contact with my mom. Since then, I've done a lot of > reflecting, and I've realized how unhealthy the relationship has been. I see > that many KOs had terrible childhoods, but mine was ok. I was never > physically harmed, and my mom didn't criticize or rage at me. But... I am an > only child, and I was a calm and agreeable kid, which means she always had > my attention when she wanted it. And she did plenty of fighting with my dad. > Honestly, I have no idea how I stayed so calm and agreeable, considering the > yelling > > and emotional violence (they never hit each other) that was going on. > > > > Anyway... when my parents got divorced I was 22 (I am 29 now), and my mom > started to focus more energy on me. (Calling every day, emailing multiple > times a day). It seemed ok. I felt like... you know... she's lonely. She > wasn't hostile, just highly annoying. She did seem to mostly talk about > herself, interrupt me if I was talking, constantly tell me I should visit > more often, and never really remember much about me (ranging from what I do > at work, all the way to the fact that I don't drink soda). Then, 4 years > later (3 years ago), I moved in with my now husband, and he started telling > me to set some healthy boundaries with her. It didn't go smoothly at > > all. There were many many fights between me and my mom and me and my > husband, and one that I am still not recovered from between all three of us. > But I just couldn't do it... I couldn't set boundaries. I felt resentful > toward my husband for " messing things up " (I realize now that he was 100% > right in his request for boundaries). > > > > Then when my mom got this boyfriend (the first romance she has had since > she left dad), it was like it empowered her. She REALLY started pushing > boundaries - calling over and over until I would answer the phone, and > showing up at my house without calling first, or calling first, and when I > tell her it's not a good time, showing up at my house anyway. (The boyfriend > always with her). And doing weird things like never answering the phone when > I call and then saying I never call her. Or telling me she has plans already > for Easter and then telling me it was wrong of me not to see her on Easter. > And getting really mean and defensive when I tell her she went over on our > > cell phone minutes, when I am just stating a fact, and not at all being > mean about it! > > > > So, when she broke up with the boyfriend, I was ready for her to go back > to being just annoying, and stop being so hostile, accusatory, and defensive > all the time. But it didn't happen!! Feb, March and April, were like the > worst I have ever had with her, EVER. Calling over and over saying its an > emergency, when it isn't, calling multiple times a day to tell me the same > stories about the boyfriend, NEVER asking me a SINGLE question about how I > am doing, and when I express my exhaustion, totally raging at me on the > phone, and following it up with the most hurtful emails I can ever imagine!! > But then, the next day, she apologizes, and wants to talk (NEEDS to talk... > right NOW... just for minute, don't you have just a minute??) > > > > It all totally fits with BPD. > > So my question to you all is this: is it possible that she had BPD laying > dormant in her system, > > and that it slowly emerged triggered my a romantic relationship, and then > double-triggered by the end of the romantic relationship?? I have this hope > that maybe it will go away and she'll go back to being tolerable, but I am > wondering if maybe she won't? Maybe she was able to direct her disorder at > my dad all those years, without directing it at me? And maybe this behavior > was inevitable given that I'm grown up and married, and she could sense that > boundaries might be coming, so she sabotaged herself by acting so forcefully > AGAINST those impending boundaries, that I had to go ahead and set them, > even though I didn't really want to?? > > > > Thank you for reading and sharing - I look forward to your input. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I, too, was the closest to my mom in the family. She and I were friends (I thought). She tended to not aim her barbs at me for extended periods of time. That's why when she did it became a huge shock. It reinforces you to be a good girl, a supportive girl, so that mamma won't hurt you again. However, at times in my life when I set boundaries, those are the times she would get furious with me (teen years, moving out, etc.). She couldn't control me, so therefore I was a threat to her piece of mind. These people are only happy if all the little pieces in their lives are the way they want them. Anything else is a threat. We enmeshed kids make choices, even unconsciously, to keep nada from hating us. This can cripple our own lives if we let it. I think we enmeshed kids have a harder time accepting that mom will never be normal, that we will never really be friends with them, and that their 'love' is not the unconditional love a mother should have for a child, but more of an sick emotional dependency on us. Stay strong; it sounds like you already are aware if the danger. > > > > Shortly before Mother's Day, I went NC with my mom (blocked phone numbers, got a new email address). We had been fighting non-stop since she broke up with her boyfriend in February. Before that, we had at least one intense argument each month for the year and a half prior. I had to start getting therapy, and my therapist gave me a book about borderline that really opened up my world. I then found the Kreger book, and I then had the courage to cut off contact with my mom. Since then, I've done a lot of reflecting, and I've realized how unhealthy t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Borderlines don't handle change well. In my view it's not really that your nada is rationally choosing her reactions to your decisions and life's natural changes, she's simply irrationally reacting/acting out around her deluded and deepest inner fears, namely abandonment. The 'change' that I am referring to includes you setting boundaries, getting married, her divorce, a new boyfriend, weddings, etc. Every KO on this board could recount outrageous BPD behaviours surrounding such life events. So, to a borderline: change = abandonment For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. There's no making sense of any of it so you're strong limit/remove contact alltogether. Many of us on this board have varying degrees of no contact to limitied contact. You're not alone there. A lot of us tried for years to logically argue or solve problems with nada but it's just impossible and fruitless to do so, and detrimental to your own emotional well being; therefore having strong boundaries or no contact to preserve yourself is the only solution. The sooner a KO realizes this the better. You're well on your way. Keep doing exactly what you're doing now, you've learned from the past mistakes it seems and you'll find plenty of support on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! So, to a borderline: change = abandonment For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 LOL I remember reading somewhere that within dysfunctional families, the 'roles' of each member are very rigid with no room for personal growth or change, and certainly relationships between dysfunctional family members cannot change. Within dysfunctional families, if any member tries to change the status quo, regardless of the circumstance, they will likely become a target for abuse aimed at 'whipping you back into dysfunctional shape.' Within a healthier dynamic, family members are more able to change, grow, and relationships are more flexible. Does this sound familiar to anyone? This might also explain why a BPD could seem fairly functional for a long period of time. A KO might even blame themselves for a later BPD episode being triggered. This dynamic can make a sane person question their own sanity and recollection of the facts. No matter how highly functioning a BPD might seem, below the surface of every BPD, is a crazy person. A very very crazy person. My nada is very similar to yours. She changes facts, claims I 'stood her up' at Christmas even though I discussed with her, my absence, months in advance (she pretended she was ok with it and accepting when really she was waiting to throw a tantrum behind my back on Xmas day to other family members, she made it seem like I had pulled a no-show at the last minute). Other family members bawled me out agressively for how RUDE I was to not tell anybody ahead that I would miss Xmas for the first time. What a load of BULL! It's funny to me now but at the time it was exhausting and emotionally draining. She'll claim I ignore her, when I have CLEARLY stated repeatedly that we can get together ANYTIME; she refuses to initiate anything so it's kind of perfect for me. Nada simply turns waify, and 'poor me' I could see her a dozen times in six months yet she'll cry and proclaim I saw her only once. Such lies, but to her, a BPD reality. She's abandonded by her only daughter, PERFECT! Now she can wallow, blame, cry, and be miserable which is what she really wants anyway. > > Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! > > So, to a borderline: change = abandonment > For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Interesting; my nada has been doing this more and more over the last decade or so, since dad died: the not remembering how often my Sister would go over to see her. Back about 5 years ago, my Sister was stopping over to see our mother 3 and sometimes 4 times a week, and all mom-nada did was complain to Sister that she didn't come over often enough. I suggested that Sister and nada (together) mark down on nada's calendar the dates that Sister came over. It didn't help; apparently nada didn't believe the marks and accused Sister of forging the marks. Sister was beginning to become seriously depressed due to the constant carping criticism and whining for more, more, more of her free time. When Sister went into therapy, the therapist was able to " absolve " my Sister of her misplaced and inappropriate feelings of guilt and responsibility. Sister started going over to see our nada only once a week. Of course, nada still complained and carped and criticized, but, Sister found it easier to tolerate if exposed to it once a week instead of several times a week. And thanks to a good therapist, Sister was able to make a healthy switch in her head RE not letting what our nada says to her upset her as much. Sister has, more or less, switched to thinking of our mother as just one of her clients. Sister said that to her, its really as though our mother has died. After several nasty attacks (rage-tantrum-meltdowns) on nada's part, Sister went No Contact after each attack, but then resumed seeing nada but she cut back to just one nada-visit a month. Our nada now accuses Sister of only coming over once a year. Nada has a hard time remembering all recent events, now. It used to be that our mother had selective memory about ugly, dramatic episodes she initiated (they never happened, we were lying) but she could recall happy events. Now, mom-nada is unable to recall even the happy stuff. Its pretty sad, really. I wish it could be different. My Sister and I talk about this whole thing sometimes, and we agree that underneath it all, our mother is and always has been an extremely unhappy person. She was always just miserable because she craved being famous and rich, seeing her name in the paper or on TV... and she apparently expected dad and us kids to give this to her. She pushed us and pushed us; Dad wasn't earning enough money, Sister and I weren't pretty or smart or talented enough to garner her the fame and riches she craved. So she made us miserable too. Nothing was ever good enough for nada. And whenever she'd feel particularly let down and resentful, she'd feel entitled to make us suffer. So, my ability to even tolerate contact with her at all is pretty much worn out. I wish I could get to a point where I could just have a superficial relationship with her, but I don't know if that's going to ever happen. -Annie > > > > Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! > > > > So, to a borderline: change = abandonment > > For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 > So my question to you all is this: is it possible that she had BPD laying dormant in her system, > and that it slowly emerged triggered my a romantic relationship, and then double-triggered by the end of the romantic relationship?? I haven't read the other replies, so I may be repeating what others have said. But if she has BPD, then she has probably had it all along. I don't know of any cases where it has laid dormant and then suddenly popped up later in life. I do know of others, like yourself, who have only noticed there is a problem when the symptoms become severe and intolerable. From what you have written, it sounds to me like your mother has had this disorder all along. You wrote that your mother always had your attention when she wanted it and that you were always agreeable to her attention. I think the longer you give yourself to let it all sink in, you might be able to see that her disordered behavior has always been there. Glad you found the site and have a therapist to guide you along! Sveta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Hi , Welcome to the group. Everyone has had such wonderful things to say, as always, so I really have nothing to add. But I was drawn to your post because I can resonate with it so much. My mom and I were also close growing up and I viewed us as having a normal relationship. After she divorced my dad, the same year I also got married and she's been " batshit ballistic " ever since. (That's gonna be a new catchphrase for me, love it). I went along for the last 7 years, setting small little boundaries at the encouragement of my husband, that I considered " safe " that wouldn't upturn the applecart too much. Like taking my house key away from her in a sneaky way so she wouldn't know.....if there are such things as " safe boundaries " that's what I was doing. I kept thinking she was going through a terrible time with the divorce and would " snap " out of it once she recovered. After 5 years of up and down roller coaster rides and pure emotional hell, I started to wonder if she would ever get better but then would rationalize I was being too harsh on her after all she had been through. *rolling eyes* Last Thanksgiving, both my brothers were here and it was so nice being all together again for the holidays. But it was too nice for my mom and she cause a HUGE drama, deeply hurt my brother, and made the holidays a living hell. It was my wake up call that something was really clinically wrong with my mother. I found this site and it has been a GOD SEND. I have read Stop Walking on Eggshells, found priceless advice and friendships in this group, and for the first time felt a little freedom to call the kettle black. I had my first therapy appointment today and I was about to post about it but wanted to welcome you first. Sorry for the long reply but its all to say - YOU ARE NOT ALONE. ((HUGS)) > > > > Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! > > > > So, to a borderline: change = abandonment > > For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Thank you SO much to everyone who has responded to my post. I feel SO much less alone in the world! As this has all been happening with my mother, I've been telling my husband (who is a great listener... but could never really understand what I'm feeling) that I resent the universe for not giving me a sister. I'd get off the phone with my mom, and just yell (to nobody) " Dammit, I'm supposed to have a sister!! " Now I've realize from reading lots of the posts here, that sisters don't always help (in fact it sounds like they tend to make it harder), and for two.... I now have lots and lots of sisters... going through exactly what I am!! And I also wanted to say that what you said (big_sister_3) about waiting for her to snap out it, and thinking she is going through a really hard time, is exactly how I have been rationalizing her behavior. And that I had been blaming myself for being too harsh... and to top off, whenever I would try to set a boundary with her, she would actually tell me " How can you do that to your mother when she is going through such a rough time?! " And yes it worked. Why? Because I am a professional guilt carrier, and she would just keep piling on as much guilt as I would carry. Somehow I thought that going NC would leave me feeling relieved, but it hasn't. I feel so unresolved about it, like " God, did I really leave her out to dry like that?? I thought I was a kind and loving person! " It just didn't " feel like me. " But I suppose that is something a lot of KOs have struggled with... and probably just takes some getting used to. Right? Does it ever begin to feel easy or comfortable?? ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I'm new. This is my story. I'd like your input and support! Â Hi , Welcome to the group. Everyone has had such wonderful things to say, as always, so I really have nothing to add. But I was drawn to your post because I can resonate with it so much. My mom and I were also close growing up and I viewed us as having a normal relationship. After she divorced my dad, the same year I also got married and she's been " batshit ballistic " ever since. (That's gonna be a new catchphrase for me, love it). I went along for the last 7 years, setting small little boundaries at the encouragement of my husband, that I considered " safe " that wouldn't upturn the applecart too much. Like taking my house key away from her in a sneaky way so she wouldn't know.....if there are such things as " safe boundaries " that's what I was doing. I kept thinking she was going through a terrible time with the divorce and would " snap " out of it once she recovered. After 5 years of up and down roller coaster rides and pure emotional hell, I started to wonder if she would ever get better but then would rationalize I was being too harsh on her after all she had been through. *rolling eyes* Last Thanksgiving, both my brothers were here and it was so nice being all together again for the holidays. But it was too nice for my mom and she cause a HUGE drama, deeply hurt my brother, and made the holidays a living hell. It was my wake up call that something was really clinically wrong with my mother. I found this site and it has been a GOD SEND. I have read Stop Walking on Eggshells, found priceless advice and friendships in this group, and for the first time felt a little freedom to call the kettle black. I had my first therapy appointment today and I was about to post about it but wanted to welcome you first. Sorry for the long reply but its all to say - YOU ARE NOT ALONE. ((HUGS)) > > > > Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! > > > > So, to a borderline: change = abandonment > > For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I found NC did not work well for me. I was NC for 7 years. At first it was so wonderful to get out from under all her stuff. I chose some new directions in life that I really felt good about. However, over time my imagination about her just ran wild. I was frightened, anxiety ridden, picturing her laying coiled like a snake, ready to zonk me at a funeral or something. The longer the estrangement the worse my imagination got. You see, I made her even more powerful out of fear of the unknown. Now I am LC--I have enough breathing space to do the work I need to do for my mental health and I can occasionally check to make sure that snake isn't getting bigger/more venomous. Good luck to you~~I hope NC works better for you. > > > > > > Ain't that the truth? Thanks for the LOL! > > > > > > So, to a borderline: change = abandonment > > > For a normal person (you): normal life event = nada goes batshit ballistic. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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