Re: yep i sent an email to her and she responded...see below

[Guest guest]

Can I say this?

What a manipulative bitch...

>

>

>

> here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters

> school and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to

> her or not and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a

> story up after that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this

> after my cousin wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

> MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

> Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can

> you kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank

> you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my

> children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be

> present. The children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects

> my decision to enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more

> than one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering

> near my house in his car just recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order

> against you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

> result in legal action.

> >

> >

> NADAS response

>

> As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

> individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have

> been treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love

> for my grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For

> these reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of

> the children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

> For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account,

> I had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

> everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

> school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only

> valid to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the

> school boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general

> public " .

>

> As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

> " stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

> anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

> husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had

> hidden yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with

> her. ytr has expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she

> obviously found peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking

> is much more closely related in describing such criminal offenses as the use

> of another individual's email under false pretense (without their

> permission) to read their private emails; this is a form of stalking, as you

> have done to someone previously close to you, your cousin bbb.The only

> reason that no charges have been laid regarding your electronic stalking

> escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

> Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have

> much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order.

> Restraining order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts

> would not even think about issuing such an order before facts can be

> presented by BOTH sides of a dispute. And I would be very happy to be

> presented with the opportunity to make known formally of not only the lies

> but the negligence - both emotional and physical - that you have been

> putting your own children under. For example, to name just one of many

> incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were busy 'facebooking'

> while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty kitchen

> littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the police

> myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

> grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be

> where ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

> outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any

> other public place I wish to be at.

>

> The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two

> factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do

> not want them to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a

> legal situation. And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to

> Lady, I do not want any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead

> of it being spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this legal

> situation needs to occur for it to be widely known that a loving grandmother

> can sacrifice so much for her grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and

> jealous person such as yourself.

>

> A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on

> ludicrous rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook

> some decent food instead always getting them junk food.

>

> P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like

> to have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you

> can contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some

> quality time with my grandchildren.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

whoa..talk about flipping things around and pushing all the buttons....holy s@#t

 

>

>

>

> here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters

> school and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to

> her or not and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a

> story up after that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this

> after my cousin wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

> MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

> Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can

> you kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank

> you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my

> children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be

> present. The children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects

> my decision to enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more

> than one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering

> near my house in his car just recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order

> against you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

> result in legal action.

> >

> >

> NADAS response

>

> As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

> individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have

> been treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love

> for my grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For

> these reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of

> the children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

> For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account,

> I had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

> everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

> school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only

> valid to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the

> school boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general

> public " .

>

> As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

> " stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

> anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

> husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had

> hidden yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with

> her. ytr has expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she

> obviously found peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking

> is much more closely related in describing such criminal offenses as the use

> of another individual's email under false pretense (without their

> permission) to read their private emails; this is a form of stalking, as you

> have done to someone previously close to you, your cousin bbb.The only

> reason that no charges have been laid regarding your electronic stalking

> escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

> Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have

> much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order.

> Restraining order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts

> would not even think about issuing such an order before facts can be

> presented by BOTH sides of a dispute. And I would be very happy to be

> presented with the opportunity to make known formally of not only the lies

> but the negligence - both emotional and physical - that you have been

> putting your own children under. For example, to name just one of many

> incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were busy 'facebooking'

> while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty kitchen

> littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the police

> myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

> grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be

> where ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

> outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any

> other public place I wish to be at.

>

> The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two

> factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do

> not want them to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a

> legal situation. And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to

> Lady, I do not want any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead

> of it being spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this legal

> situation needs to occur for it to be widely known that a loving grandmother

> can sacrifice so much for her grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and

> jealous person such as yourself.

>

> A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on

> ludicrous rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook

> some decent food instead always getting them junk food.

>

> P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like

> to have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you

> can contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some

> quality time with my grandchildren.

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry sweetie, for all you are going through with her. How scary and how

abusive. A true Momster in every sense.

>

>

> here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters school

and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to her or not

and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after

that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after my cousin

wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

> MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

>

> Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can you

kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my children,

your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be present. The

children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects my decision to

enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more than

one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering near my

house in his car just recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order against

you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

result in legal action.

> >

> >

> NADAS response

>

> As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have been

treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my

grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of the

children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

> For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account, I

had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid

to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the school

boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general public " .

>

> As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

" stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with her. ytr has

expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she obviously found

peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely

related in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another individual's

email under false pretense (without their permission) to read their private

emails; this is a form of stalking, as you have done to someone previously close

to you, your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid regarding

your electronic stalking escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

> Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have much

knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order. Restraining

order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even

think about issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH sides of

a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented with the opportunity to

make known formally of not only the lies but the negligence - both emotional and

physical - that you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were

busy 'facebooking' while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty

kitchen littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

police myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be where

ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any other

public place I wish to be at.

>

> The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two factors.

Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do not want them

to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a legal situation.

And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do not want any

money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it being spent on the

welfare of the children. But maybe this legal situation needs to occur for it to

be widely known that a loving grandmother can sacrifice so much for her

grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as yourself.

>

> A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on ludicrous

rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook some

decent food instead always getting them junk food.

>

>

>

> P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like to

have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you can

contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some quality

time with my grandchildren.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't see any point to continuing to engage with her. What

would responding achieve? She's not going to abide by your rules

no matter what you say to her. You can't have a rational

discussion with someone who isn't rational. My recommendation is

to get more information about the stalking laws that apply in

your area and find out what the requirements are for getting a

restraining order to keep her away from your kids. She may be

right that you can't get one for what she's doing. There may

have to be evidence of threats or dangerous behavior before any

legal action can be taken. Or you may be able to go ahead and

ask for one now. That depends on what the local laws say.

At 10:08 AM 05/22/2011 jml792006 wrote:

>here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my

>daughters school and her response is below. i am not sure

>whether i should respond to her or not and if so how? she

>brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after that

>i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after

>my cousin wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

>MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

>

>Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is

>correct. Can you kindly confirm you have recieved this and

>forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to

> see my children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my

> husband must be present. The children's school is well aware

> of this parameter and respects my decision to enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school

> campus on more than one occasion the last 2months. I have also

> witnessed Theo loitering near my house in his car just

> recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable

> restraining order against you for this dangerous and damaging

> behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to

> do so will result in legal action.

> >

> >

>NADAS response

>

>As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the

>presence of individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the

>nature of the way I have been treated; through years of

>blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my grandchildren

>to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

>reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best

>interest of the children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

>For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature

>into account, I had a cordial meeting with the Principal of

>School on Friday to explain everything including your lies. And

>as kindly stated by the principal " the school grounds are his

>responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid to him

>within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the

>school boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to

>the general public " .

>

>As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has

> been no " stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have

> 'presented' myself more than anything. The word 'stalking' is

> much more suited to define you and your husband: As expressed

> by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

> yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was

> with her. ytr has expressed her bewilderment about this

> behavior which she obviously found peculiar and disturbing on

> more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely related

> in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another

> individual's email under false pretense (without their

> permission) to read their private emails; this is a form of

> stalking, as you have done to someone previously close to you,

> your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid

> regarding your electronic stalking escapades is due to the

> respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

>Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you

> do not have much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a

> restraining order. Restraining order are serious matters and

> are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even think about

> issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH

> sides of a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented

> with the opportunity to make known formally of not only the

> lies but the negligence - both emotional and physical - that

> you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

> name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my

> visits where you were busy 'facebooking' while the children

> were left hungry roving around the a dirty kitchen littered

> with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

> police myself and have fully informed them of my presence

> 'outside' the school grounds, and have been advised that I am

> well within my civil rights to be where ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you

> that I will be outside the school grounds every single school

> day where possible, and any other public place I wish to be at.

>

>The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are

>for two factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my

>grandchildren; I do not want them to be negatively affected in

>any way by putting them through a legal situation. And secondly

>as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do not want

>any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it

>being spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this

>legal situation needs to occur for it to be widely known that a

>loving grandmother can sacrifice so much for her grandchildren

>over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as

>yourself.

>

>A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time

>on ludicrous rubbish such as the contents of your email, how

>about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and

> learn to cook some decent food instead always getting them

> junk food.

>

>

>

>P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if

>you feel like to have to contact me again do so through your

>representative. However you can contact me as I hope and pray

>that you will agree to let me spend some quality time with my

>grandchildren.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would file this as documentation of her abuse. I would reframe it as

evidence, not as personal correspondence. And I would do whatever I had to

do to keep her from my children. If you can't get a restraining order, you

might need to move.

>

>

> I don't see any point to continuing to engage with her. What

> would responding achieve? She's not going to abide by your rules

> no matter what you say to her. You can't have a rational

> discussion with someone who isn't rational. My recommendation is

> to get more information about the stalking laws that apply in

> your area and find out what the requirements are for getting a

> restraining order to keep her away from your kids. She may be

> right that you can't get one for what she's doing. There may

> have to be evidence of threats or dangerous behavior before any

> legal action can be taken. Or you may be able to go ahead and

> ask for one now. That depends on what the local laws say.

>

>

> At 10:08 AM 05/22/2011 jml792006 wrote:

>

> >here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my

> >daughters school and her response is below. i am not sure

> >whether i should respond to her or not and if so how? she

> >brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after that

> >i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after

> >my cousin wanted to have a relationship with me.

> >

> >MY EMAILthat i sent:

> >

> >

> >Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is

> >correct. Can you kindly confirm you have recieved this and

> >forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> > >

> > > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to

> > see my children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my

> > husband must be present. The children's school is well aware

> > of this parameter and respects my decision to enforce it.

> > >

> > > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> > witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school

> > campus on more than one occasion the last 2months. I have also

> > witnessed Theo loitering near my house in his car just

> > recently.

> > >

> > > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable

> > restraining order against you for this dangerous and damaging

> > behavior.

> > >

> > > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to

> > do so will result in legal action.

> > >

> > >

> >NADAS response

> >

> >As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the

> >presence of individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the

> >nature of the way I have been treated; through years of

> >blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my grandchildren

> >to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

> >reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best

> >interest of the children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

> >

> >For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature

> >into account, I had a cordial meeting with the Principal of

> >School on Friday to explain everything including your lies. And

> >as kindly stated by the principal " the school grounds are his

> >responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid to him

> >within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the

> >school boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to

> >the general public " .

> >

> >As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> > outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has

> > been no " stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have

> > 'presented' myself more than anything. The word 'stalking' is

> > much more suited to define you and your husband: As expressed

> > by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

> > yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was

> > with her. ytr has expressed her bewilderment about this

> > behavior which she obviously found peculiar and disturbing on

> > more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely related

> > in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another

> > individual's email under false pretense (without their

> > permission) to read their private emails; this is a form of

> > stalking, as you have done to someone previously close to you,

> > your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid

> > regarding your electronic stalking escapades is due to the

> > respect bbb has for her aunt.

> >

> >Please feel

> > free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you

> > do not have much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a

> > restraining order. Restraining order are serious matters and

> > are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even think about

> > issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH

> > sides of a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented

> > with the opportunity to make known formally of not only the

> > lies but the negligence - both emotional and physical - that

> > you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

> > name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my

> > visits where you were busy 'facebooking' while the children

> > were left hungry roving around the a dirty kitchen littered

> > with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

> > police myself and have fully informed them of my presence

> > 'outside' the school grounds, and have been advised that I am

> > well within my civil rights to be where ever I am on 'public'

> > ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you

> > that I will be outside the school grounds every single school

> > day where possible, and any other public place I wish to be at.

> >

> >The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are

> >for two factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my

> >grandchildren; I do not want them to be negatively affected in

> >any way by putting them through a legal situation. And secondly

> >as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do not want

> >any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it

> >being spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this

> >legal situation needs to occur for it to be widely known that a

> >loving grandmother can sacrifice so much for her grandchildren

> >over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as

> >yourself.

> >

> >A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time

> >on ludicrous rubbish such as the contents of your email, how

> >about

> > concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and

> > learn to cook some decent food instead always getting them

> > junk food.

> >

> >

> >

> >P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if

> >you feel like to have to contact me again do so through your

> >representative. However you can contact me as I hope and pray

> >that you will agree to let me spend some quality time with my

> >grandchildren.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

>

> >

> > **This group is based on principles in Randi Kreger's new

> > book The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality

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[Guest guest]

The anti-stalking sites recommend that you no longer respond to any attempts at

contact. Do not reply to this letter or any further attempts at communication

from this point on. If you must communicate with her, then, I recommend you do

it through a lawyer.

Your mother was apparently not at all intimidated by your letter, or if she was,

she is very good at bluffing and feels safe threatening you in return. It

remains to be seen whether she will continue the " stake outs " at your kids'

school.

It will depend on your state's anti-stalking laws whether or not you actually

can obtain a restraining order; that's why I recommend that you retain a lawyer

or at least go in for a consultation about this issue.

Keep the e-mail she sent you in reply, along with any further correspondence she

sends you or your children. Your goal now is to collect evidence. At least

your childrens' school principal and teachers are aware of all this and will be

able to act as witnesses RE your mother's surveillance behaviors in front of

their school.

Keep a log/blog/record of each time you see her or her husband doing

surveillance on you, following you, etc. Perhaps take pictures that show the

day/date/time.

Its sad that this sort of thing happens, but it seems to be fairly common with

personality disordered people. Those with pds seem to consider their spouse

and/or their children to be their possessions. You don't have the right to cut

her out of your life; you have no rights, you have to let her treat you any way

she feels like treating you because she owns you. That's the way their thinking

runs.

I also suggest that you check out the various anti-stalking sites for more

detailed info about how to handle stalking behaviors.

-Annie

>

>

> here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters school

and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to her or not

and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after

that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after my cousin

wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

> MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

>

> Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can you

kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my children,

your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be present. The

children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects my decision to

enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more than

one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering near my

house in his car just recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order against

you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

result in legal action.

> >

> >

> NADAS response

>

> As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have been

treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my

grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of the

children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

> For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account, I

had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid

to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the school

boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general public " .

>

> As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

" stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with her. ytr has

expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she obviously found

peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely

related in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another individual's

email under false pretense (without their permission) to read their private

emails; this is a form of stalking, as you have done to someone previously close

to you, your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid regarding

your electronic stalking escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

> Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have much

knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order. Restraining

order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even

think about issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH sides of

a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented with the opportunity to

make known formally of not only the lies but the negligence - both emotional and

physical - that you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were

busy 'facebooking' while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty

kitchen littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

police myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be where

ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any other

public place I wish to be at.

>

> The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two factors.

Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do not want them

to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a legal situation.

And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do not want any

money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it being spent on the

welfare of the children. But maybe this legal situation needs to occur for it to

be widely known that a loving grandmother can sacrifice so much for her

grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as yourself.

>

> A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on ludicrous

rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook some

decent food instead always getting them junk food.

>

>

>

> P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like to

have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you can

contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some quality

time with my grandchildren.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! I echo everyone else get a lawyer, find out what you need to qualify to

get a restraining order, start an evidence file and once the amount of evidence

you have is enough - take that bitch to court. It was really scandalous how

utterly entitled she feels to ignore your wishes and the degree of ownership she

feels toward the grandchildren. Standing about outside a school when she has

no reason to be there and after you've expressly asked her to leave the kids

alone...that could eventually be built up to a case. Stand your ground!

>

>

> here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters school

and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to her or not

and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after

that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after my cousin

wanted to have a relationship with me.

>

> MY EMAILthat i sent:

>

>

> Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can you

kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> >

> > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my children,

your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be present. The

children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects my decision to

enforce it.

> >

> > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more than

one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering near my

house in his car just recently.

> >

> > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order against

you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> >

> > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

result in legal action.

> >

> >

> NADAS response

>

> As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have been

treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my

grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of the

children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

>

> For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account, I

had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid

to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the school

boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general public " .

>

> As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

" stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with her. ytr has

expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she obviously found

peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely

related in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another individual's

email under false pretense (without their permission) to read their private

emails; this is a form of stalking, as you have done to someone previously close

to you, your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid regarding

your electronic stalking escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

>

> Please feel

> free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have much

knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order. Restraining

order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even

think about issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH sides of

a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented with the opportunity to

make known formally of not only the lies but the negligence - both emotional and

physical - that you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were

busy 'facebooking' while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty

kitchen littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

police myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be where

ever I am on 'public'

> ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any other

public place I wish to be at.

>

> The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two factors.

Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do not want them

to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a legal situation.

And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do not want any

money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it being spent on the

welfare of the children. But maybe this legal situation needs to occur for it to

be widely known that a loving grandmother can sacrifice so much for her

grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as yourself.

>

> A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on ludicrous

rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook some

decent food instead always getting them junk food.

>

>

>

> P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like to

have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you can

contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some quality

time with my grandchildren.

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly. She is scary.

>

> I am sorry sweetie, for all you are going through with her. How scary and how

abusive. A true Momster in every sense.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh dear mercy - that's not pressing buttons, that's lighting up the whole dang

control panel!

I agree with everyone else - Consult with a lawyer immediately and file for a

restraining order if possible.

Also - I have not followed all of your posts but have read most of them so

forgive me if you have already said this but have you explained to your children

that your nada is not safe and they should never get into a car with her or

listen to anything she says if she should approach them at the school? ( " Your

parents are sick/dead/injured and you need to come with me....etc " )

I would not put anything past her. Anything. I'm not trying to scare you but

this woman seems like she would be capable of kidnapping if she so felt the

need.

Please keep us posted. I'm so sorry you are dealing with this insane person.

> >

> >

> > here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters school

and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to her or not

and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a story up after

that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this after my cousin

wanted to have a relationship with me.

> >

> > MY EMAILthat i sent:

> >

> >

> > Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct. Can you

kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank you.

> > >

> > > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my

children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be present.

The children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects my decision

to enforce it.

> > >

> > > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> > witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on more

than one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo loitering near my

house in his car just recently.

> > >

> > > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order

against you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> > >

> > > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so will

result in legal action.

> > >

> > >

> > NADAS response

> >

> > As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have been

treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love for my

grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For these

reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of the

children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

> >

> > For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into account, I

had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to explain

everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the principal " the

school grounds are his responsibility and the parents' concerns are only valid

to him within the boundaries of the school, and, however, outside the school

boundaries are non of his concern and that it belongs to the general public " .

> >

> > As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> > outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

" stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had hidden

yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with her. ytr has

expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she obviously found

peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking is much more closely

related in describing such criminal offenses as the use of another individual's

email under false pretense (without their permission) to read their private

emails; this is a form of stalking, as you have done to someone previously close

to you, your cousin bbb.The only reason that no charges have been laid regarding

your electronic stalking escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

> >

> > Please feel

> > free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not have

much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order. Restraining

order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts would not even

think about issuing such an order before facts can be presented by BOTH sides of

a dispute. And I would be very happy to be presented with the opportunity to

make known formally of not only the lies but the negligence - both emotional and

physical - that you have been putting your own children under. For example, to

name just one of many incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were

busy 'facebooking' while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty

kitchen littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the

police myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be where

ever I am on 'public'

> > ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I will be

outside the school grounds every single school day where possible, and any other

public place I wish to be at.

> >

> > The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two

factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do not

want them to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a legal

situation. And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to Lady, I do

not want any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead of it being

spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this legal situation needs to

occur for it to be widely known that a loving grandmother can sacrifice so much

for her grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and jealous person such as

yourself.

> >

> > A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on ludicrous

rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> > concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to cook

some decent food instead always getting them junk food.

> >

> >

> >

> > P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel like

to have to contact me again do so through your representative. However you can

contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend some quality

time with my grandchildren.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I feel for you. What an awful situation!

>

>

>

> thanks everyone. yeah its been an emtionally draining weekend for me. i

> should have never opened her email and read it. oh well you live you learn.

> i talked to the principal and my nada did go see him after school on friday

> when she couldnt find my child telling him how unfair it is that i am not

> letting her see the kids blah blah. he cut her off and mentioned that thats

> a personal issue and that she cant be on school ground and if she so does

> decided to loiter outside of school grounds he wants no drama. i didnt

> respond and like i said to her in my initial email if she does it again i

> will go to the police. my childs teacher knows and i will personally picking

> her up 15mins early with my husband. my child also knows that if anyone

> excpet my or my hubby comes near the school even if it is family she needs

> to straight away go to the front office. she also knows she is not to play

> near the gates of the school. its amazing how she will totally abuse ,

> manipulate to get her way and her projection of her feelings onto me. i had

> a good laugh about the comment about decent food lol as when the kids did go

> see her, the only thing she would give them was JUNK and i would get into

> arguements about how too much of it is not good. she thinks i am jealous of

> her...hmmmm and what would i be jealous of for??? vvery frustrating that i

> just cant write back to her exactly how i feel...

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > here is msg i sent to her after i saw her dirving around my daughters

> school and her response is below. i am not sure whether i should respond to

> her or not and if so how? she brings in her flying monkeys as she made a

> story up after that i apprently broke into my cousins email...she said this

> after my cousin wanted to have a relationship with me.

> > > >

> > > > MY EMAILthat i sent:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please forward this to sss as i am not sure if her email is correct.

> Can you kindly confirm you have recieved this and forwarded on to her. Thank

> you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have previously stated clearly that should you choose to see my

> children, your grandchildren, that both myself and my husband must be

> present. The children's school is well aware of this parameter and respects

> my decision to enforce it.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, my husband, the school and myself have all

> > > > witnessed you stalking my children at or near the school campus on

> more than one occasion the last 2months. I have also witnessed Theo

> loitering near my house in his car just recently.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been advised to obtain a fully enforceable restraining order

> against you for this dangerous and damaging behavior.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am asking you one time, in this note, to stop. Failure to do so

> will result in legal action.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > NADAS response

> > > >

> > > > As previously clearly stated to you I refuse to be in the presence of

> individuals such as xxx and xxx who because of the nature of the way I have

> been treated; through years of blackmail, personal insults, using my love

> for my grandchildren to control my life and hold me emotionally hostage. For

> these reasons and many others, even though it is not in the best interest of

> the children, I refuse to bow to those conditions.

> > > >

> > > > For your information, taking your proven manipulative nature into

> account, I had a cordial meeting with the Principal of School on Friday to

> explain everything including your lies. And as kindly stated by the

> principal " the school grounds are his responsibility and the parents'

> concerns are only valid to him within the boundaries of the school, and,

> however, outside the school boundaries are non of his concern and that it

> belongs to the general public " .

> > > >

> > > > As explained in above, the school is well aware of my presence

> > > > outside the school grounds, which is totally legal. There has been no

> " stalking " of any sort, if anything, I have 'presented' myself more than

> anything. The word 'stalking' is much more suited to define you and your

> husband: As expressed by vvv to myself on more than one occasion you had

> hidden yourself behind her bedroom door eavesdropping whenever I was with

> her. ytr has expressed her bewilderment about this behavior which she

> obviously found peculiar and disturbing on more than one occasion. Stalking

> is much more closely related in describing such criminal offenses as the use

> of another individual's email under false pretense (without their

> permission) to read their private emails; this is a form of stalking, as you

> have done to someone previously close to you, your cousin bbb.The only

> reason that no charges have been laid regarding your electronic stalking

> escapades is due to the respect bbb has for her aunt.

> > > >

> > > > Please feel

> > > > free to pursue a restraining order. It is apparent that you do not

> have much knowledge about the criteria for obtaining a restraining order.

> Restraining order are serious matters and are not handed out lightly. Courts

> would not even think about issuing such an order before facts can be

> presented by BOTH sides of a dispute. And I would be very happy to be

> presented with the opportunity to make known formally of not only the lies

> but the negligence - both emotional and physical - that you have been

> putting your own children under. For example, to name just one of many

> incidents of neglect: On one of my visits where you were busy 'facebooking'

> while the children were left hungry roving around the a dirty kitchen

> littered with rancid food left-overs. I have already talked to the police

> myself and have fully informed them of my presence 'outside' the school

> grounds, and have been advised that I am well within my civil rights to be

> where ever I am on 'public'

> > > > ground at whatever time. I would like to further inform you that I

> will be outside the school grounds every single school day where possible,

> and any other public place I wish to be at.

> > > >

> > > > The only reason that I have not taken legal action myself are for two

> factors. Firstly it is for the sake and benefit of my grandchildren; I do

> not want them to be negatively affected in any way by putting them through a

> legal situation. And secondly as I have mentioned in the past to

> Lady, I do not want any money to be spent toward a long legal case instead

> of it being spent on the welfare of the children. But maybe this legal

> situation needs to occur for it to be widely known that a loving grandmother

> can sacrifice so much for her grandchildren over an incessantly insecure and

> jealous person such as yourself.

> > > >

> > > > A piece of advice without prejudice: Instead of using your time on

> ludicrous rubbish such as the contents of your email, how about

> > > > concentrating on my angel Adora's birthday on Saturday and learn to

> cook some decent food instead always getting them junk food.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P.S. Do not bother me with anymore with your nonsense and if you feel

> like to have to contact me again do so through your representative. However

> you can contact me as I hope and pray that you will agree to let me spend

> some quality time with my grandchildren.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>