Re: Smart speaks of her future

[Guest guest]

Hey annie,

Thanks for posting this. I happen to have intimate knowledge of the Smart

case.

Smart was abducted just a couple of miles from my home, east of

where I live in a richer neighborhood. The man who abducted her was a

well-known street personality. He would stand on the corner downtown about 2

blocks from my house and beg for money. He never spoke, he just gestured,

held out his hand and gave a mournful look. I saw him several times a week

for 3 or 4 years.

After was abducted, I dated the associated press reporter who was

assigned to feed news of her case to the rest of the nation. The canyon and

hiking trails about 1/2 block from my home were searched by volunteers for

weeks and weeks and weeks. People I worked with called in sick to work to

look for her. I could hear them shouting her name from my bedroom.

A LOT A LOT A LOT of us locals (particularly of the more suspicious and less

mormon variety) feel there is something wrong in the Smart family. Don't get

me wrong, we see her as a strong young woman who was victimized. BUT -

's mother hired to work around their home. He

spotted downtown shopping and set her eye on her. The mother is

guilty in some way - maybe just for being stupid - but who is that stupid?

The dad, Ed Smart, has almost turned the case into a business venture. They

family appears to have spared no expense on PR services to present

to the media (I do it for a living, so I can identify someone who has been

coached and drilled), and it seems clear that their has been a LOT of image

consultation as well.

It just seems strange for a grieving family to put on such a performance.

Almost like the perception of the people is more important than 's

well being.

did a series of appearances last week on local media - doing one

on one interviews. She was dressed and made up more like the state's first

lady than a young woman in her 20s. She appeared drugged or sedated. She

repeated the same lines over and over and avoided the most basic questions.

I talked to a local reporter about it on Wed who was waiting for the

sentancing and he shared the same concerns - about her old lady makeup and

clothes, her drugged appearance etc. He thought something was wrong too.

There is something really strange. I really wish the best. But I'm

afraid she might need to break away from her mommy and daddy to really heal.

Poor kid.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her bedroom

> when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was abused,

> tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did this to

> her was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife were

> convicted; the article is about what said during her court

> appearance.

>

> I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what has

> helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously survived:

> said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse *and

> helping other children who have been or are being abused* is helping her

> heal.

>

> The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally ill:

> the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor incompetent

> to stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was legally sane (he

> knew the difference between right and wrong, reality and fantasy, and knew

> what he did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway) and competent to

> stand trial.

>

> The point being:

> Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

> difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are

> unable to tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are

> declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

>

> Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does know

> the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and knows

> whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so they

> are considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

>

> It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but the

> federal judge didn't buy it.

>

> " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

>

> By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

>

> SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

> Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

> other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

>

> " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal

> from any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said

> Wednesday, after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting

> those around you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

>

> will spend the rest of his life in prison after being

> sentenced by a federal judge.

>

> A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

> 14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the

> early hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired,

> blue-eyed girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while

> walking with her captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

>

> After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

> thrilled by the sentence.

>

> " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

> beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

>

> Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next year,

> said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in child

> advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which will

> focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and sexual

> crimes.

>

> " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I can

> make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for good. "

>

> Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the chance

> to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

>

> It took her about 30 seconds.

>

> " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, " Smart

> said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it with

> full knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you do,

> you will never affect me again.

>

> " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

> added.

>

> , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the way he

> did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as if in

> prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

>

> Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

> speak when asked by the judge.

>

> " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months and

> I never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

>

> 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

> ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit

> to stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously

> convicted him of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across

> state lines for sex.

>

> When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands and

> feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once during

> the hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

>

> At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

> whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

> stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

> forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

> cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

> forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

>

> , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page

> manifesto he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to

> California for five of the months she was held captive. She recalled being

> forced to live homeless, dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her

> identity if ever approached by strangers or police. She said he threatened

> her life and the lives of her family every day.

>

> U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

> because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

>

> Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was long

> overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for

> and it will certainly ensure will never inflict such

> intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, " Christensen said.

>

> The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing. , a

> member of 's defense team, said outside court the sentence was not

> unexpected.

>

> " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to move

> on, " said.

>

> has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

>

> The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys

> have said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held

> delusional beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important

> prophecies.

>

> Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France, has

> described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed he

> was driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere

> religious beliefs.

>

> was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel state

> case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a judge

> twice determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced treatment.

>

> Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and asked

> the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

>

> Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is already

> serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> ***

>

> From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag wife

> who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a

> little, helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her

> eyes repeatedly for months and did nothing.

>

> So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should have

> been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope that the

> whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied intensely by

> psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical, and genetic

> researchers for the benefit of posterity.

>

> Sometimes there is justice in this world!

>

> Yay!

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I imagine the entire trial was very difficult for her and might have even been

re-traumatizing. She is a remarkable young woman; she must have a core of steel

to have endured such trauma, and I hope too that she will have a bright and

happy future, free from this hideous incident. Her desire to get into a field

in which she can help others who were abused as kids is just remarkable; I think

she's a true heroine, a female hero, in every sense!

-Annie

>

> >

> >

> > Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her bedroom

> > when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was abused,

> > tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did this to

> > her was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife were

> > convicted; the article is about what said during her court

> > appearance.

> >

> > I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what has

> > helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously survived:

> > said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse *and

> > helping other children who have been or are being abused* is helping her

> > heal.

> >

> > The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally ill:

> > the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor incompetent

> > to stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was legally sane (he

> > knew the difference between right and wrong, reality and fantasy, and knew

> > what he did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway) and competent to

> > stand trial.

> >

> > The point being:

> > Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

> > difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are

> > unable to tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are

> > declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

> >

> > Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does know

> > the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and knows

> > whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so they

> > are considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

> >

> > It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but the

> > federal judge didn't buy it.

> >

> > " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

> >

> > By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

> >

> > SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

> > Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

> > other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

> >

> > " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal

> > from any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said

> > Wednesday, after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting

> > those around you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

> >

> > will spend the rest of his life in prison after being

> > sentenced by a federal judge.

> >

> > A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

> > 14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the

> > early hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired,

> > blue-eyed girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while

> > walking with her captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

> >

> > After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

> > thrilled by the sentence.

> >

> > " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

> > beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

> >

> > Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next year,

> > said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in child

> > advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which will

> > focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and sexual

> > crimes.

> >

> > " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I can

> > make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for good. "

> >

> > Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the chance

> > to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

> >

> > It took her about 30 seconds.

> >

> > " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, " Smart

> > said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it with

> > full knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you do,

> > you will never affect me again.

> >

> > " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

> > added.

> >

> > , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the way he

> > did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as if in

> > prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

> >

> > Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

> > speak when asked by the judge.

> >

> > " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months and

> > I never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

> >

> > 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

> > ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit

> > to stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously

> > convicted him of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across

> > state lines for sex.

> >

> > When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands and

> > feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once during

> > the hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

> >

> > At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

> > whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

> > stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

> > forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

> > cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

> > forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

> >

> > , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page

> > manifesto he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to

> > California for five of the months she was held captive. She recalled being

> > forced to live homeless, dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her

> > identity if ever approached by strangers or police. She said he threatened

> > her life and the lives of her family every day.

> >

> > U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

> > because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

> >

> > Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was long

> > overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for

> > and it will certainly ensure will never inflict such

> > intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, " Christensen said.

> >

> > The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing. , a

> > member of 's defense team, said outside court the sentence was not

> > unexpected.

> >

> > " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to move

> > on, " said.

> >

> > has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

> >

> > The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys

> > have said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held

> > delusional beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important

> > prophecies.

> >

> > Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France, has

> > described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed he

> > was driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere

> > religious beliefs.

> >

> > was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel state

> > case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a judge

> > twice determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced treatment.

> >

> > Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and asked

> > the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

> >

> > Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is already

> > serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> > ***

> >

> > From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag wife

> > who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a

> > little, helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her

> > eyes repeatedly for months and did nothing.

> >

> > So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should have

> > been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope that the

> > whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied intensely by

> > psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical, and genetic

> > researchers for the benefit of posterity.

> >

> > Sometimes there is justice in this world!

> >

> > Yay!

> >

> > -Annie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this GS. I wondered about this: she seemed to have way too much poise

for her age/the situation. She reminded me of Marilyn from the Munsters (the

cousin-- the 'normal' one)

Not only that, I have an uncle that married into the Mormon faith, so I have

heard so very strange things over the years and have done some research on my

own when things in their family didn't add up (my aunt is barren and probably

bi-polar. She had years if psychosis that was played down--but her daughter was

wetting the bed at 16 and morbidly obese and her son is LC with her and lives

3000 miles away).

And I can't help wondering--how does the Mormon faith consider virginal rape?

Isn't that man now considered her husband for all eternity, and therefore

Smart's only option for getting to heaven?

>

> Hey annie,

> Thanks for posting this. I happen to have intimate knowledge of the Smart

> case.

[Guest guest]

I suggest that it would be more appropriate to discuss or debate specific

religious points of view or articles of faith privately, off-list, since there

are people of all faiths here (plus agnostics and atheists), as well as people

of all cultures, political beliefs, etc., and we need to be sensitive to this.

Thanks,

-Annie

> >

> > Hey annie,

> > Thanks for posting this. I happen to have intimate knowledge of the Smart

> > case.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, it's interesting to hear about this case from someone who lives in the

area. That guy is so disgusting.

I was really impressed with how unrelenting her father was in keeping her case

in the media (though, i hate to say it, as a minority myself, I wonder if the

victim had not been a pretty blonde girl if the case would have been so

prominent in the media).

I agree with you, though; from the beginning when they would show her playing

her harp, after her return, I thought that she seemed almost TOO compliant, like

someone who does whatever she needs to in order to keep her parents happy

(spoken by someone who's been there myself!!).

I hope her life from here on is only good stuff.

>

> >

> >

> > Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her bedroom

> > when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was abused,

> > tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did this to

> > her was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife were

> > convicted; the article is about what said during her court

> > appearance.

> >

> > I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what has

> > helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously survived:

> > said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse *and

> > helping other children who have been or are being abused* is helping her

> > heal.

> >

> > The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally ill:

> > the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor incompetent

> > to stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was legally sane (he

> > knew the difference between right and wrong, reality and fantasy, and knew

> > what he did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway) and competent to

> > stand trial.

> >

> > The point being:

> > Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

> > difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are

> > unable to tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are

> > declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

> >

> > Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does know

> > the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and knows

> > whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so they

> > are considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

> >

> > It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but the

> > federal judge didn't buy it.

> >

> > " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

> >

> > By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

> >

> > SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

> > Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

> > other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

> >

> > " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal

> > from any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said

> > Wednesday, after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting

> > those around you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

> >

> > will spend the rest of his life in prison after being

> > sentenced by a federal judge.

> >

> > A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

> > 14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the

> > early hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired,

> > blue-eyed girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while

> > walking with her captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

> >

> > After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

> > thrilled by the sentence.

> >

> > " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

> > beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

> >

> > Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next year,

> > said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in child

> > advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which will

> > focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and sexual

> > crimes.

> >

> > " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I can

> > make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for good. "

> >

> > Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the chance

> > to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

> >

> > It took her about 30 seconds.

> >

> > " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, " Smart

> > said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it with

> > full knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you do,

> > you will never affect me again.

> >

> > " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

> > added.

> >

> > , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the way he

> > did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as if in

> > prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

> >

> > Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

> > speak when asked by the judge.

> >

> > " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months and

> > I never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

> >

> > 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

> > ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit

> > to stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously

> > convicted him of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across

> > state lines for sex.

> >

> > When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands and

> > feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once during

> > the hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

> >

> > At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

> > whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

> > stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

> > forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

> > cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

> > forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

> >

> > , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page

> > manifesto he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to

> > California for five of the months she was held captive. She recalled being

> > forced to live homeless, dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her

> > identity if ever approached by strangers or police. She said he threatened

> > her life and the lives of her family every day.

> >

> > U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

> > because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

> >

> > Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was long

> > overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for

> > and it will certainly ensure will never inflict such

> > intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, " Christensen said.

> >

> > The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing. , a

> > member of 's defense team, said outside court the sentence was not

> > unexpected.

> >

> > " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to move

> > on, " said.

> >

> > has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

> >

> > The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys

> > have said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held

> > delusional beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important

> > prophecies.

> >

> > Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France, has

> > described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed he

> > was driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere

> > religious beliefs.

> >

> > was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel state

> > case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a judge

> > twice determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced treatment.

> >

> > Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and asked

> > the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

> >

> > Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is already

> > serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> > ***

> >

> > From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag wife

> > who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a

> > little, helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her

> > eyes repeatedly for months and did nothing.

> >

> > So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should have

> > been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope that the

> > whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied intensely by

> > psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical, and genetic

> > researchers for the benefit of posterity.

> >

> > Sometimes there is justice in this world!

> >

> > Yay!

> >

> > -Annie

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your right, Annie!

I apologize if I offended anyone here. It is no surprise my uncle married a

woman who is mentally ill--so did his brother (my dad). They both married women

who needed fixing. That speaks to PD and in no way matters what religious

beliefs either woman held.

As for the rest, I am intellectually curious about how certain transgressions

are philosophically dealt with inside belief systems. Alas, no one from that

side of my family will satisfy my curiosity.

> > >

> > > Hey annie,

> > > Thanks for posting this. I happen to have intimate knowledge of the Smart

> > > case.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I won't go into the religion too much, but I'm sure she will still be

able to be married in the temple according to the Mormon faith.

I hope that Annie is right and that she is strong. It looks to me like a

play, a performance for an audience. But I hope I am wrong.

>

>

> Your right, Annie!

>

> I apologize if I offended anyone here. It is no surprise my uncle married a

> woman who is mentally ill--so did his brother (my dad). They both married

> women who needed fixing. That speaks to PD and in no way matters what

> religious beliefs either woman held.

>

> As for the rest, I am intellectually curious about how certain

> transgressions are philosophically dealt with inside belief systems. Alas,

> no one from that side of my family will satisfy my curiosity.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hey annie,

> > > > Thanks for posting this. I happen to have intimate knowledge of the

> Smart

> > > > case.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

is there a name for the mother?

for what she is I mean.

under the right circumstances I can see my mother behaving similarly.

she has proven that she is not going to intervene for the sake of children

whether it be her grandchildren or me, when I needed her intervention.

>

> Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her bedroom

when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was abused,

tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did this to her

was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife were convicted;

the article is about what said during her court appearance.

>

> I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what has

helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously survived:

said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse *and helping

other children who have been or are being abused* is helping her heal.

>

> The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally ill: the

state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor incompetent to stand

trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was legally sane (he knew the

difference between right and wrong, reality and fantasy, and knew what he did

was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway) and competent to stand trial.

>

> The point being:

> Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the difference

between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are unable to tell the

difference between right and wrong; such persons are declared legally insane and

incompetent to stand trial.

>

> Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does know the

difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and knows whether

they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so they are

considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

>

> It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but the

federal judge didn't buy it.

>

> " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

>

> By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

>

> SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

>

> " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal from

any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said Wednesday,

after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting those around

you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

>

> will spend the rest of his life in prison after being

sentenced by a federal judge.

>

> A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the early

hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired, blue-eyed

girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while walking with her

captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

>

> After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was thrilled

by the sentence.

>

> " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

>

> Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next year,

said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in child

advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which will

focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and sexual

crimes.

>

> " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I can

make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for good. "

>

> Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the chance to

confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

>

> It took her about 30 seconds.

>

> " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, " Smart

said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it with full

knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you do, you will

never affect me again.

>

> " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she added.

>

> , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the way he

did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as if in

prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

>

> Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't speak

when asked by the judge.

>

> " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months and I

never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

>

> 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking ordeal

that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit to stand

trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously convicted him of

kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across state lines for sex.

>

> When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands and feet

were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once during the

hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

>

> At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

>

> , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page manifesto

he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to California for five

of the months she was held captive. She recalled being forced to live homeless,

dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her identity if ever approached

by strangers or police. She said he threatened her life and the lives of her

family every day.

>

> U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

>

> Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was long

overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for and

it will certainly ensure will never inflict such

intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, " Christensen said.

>

> The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing. , a

member of 's defense team, said outside court the sentence was not

unexpected.

>

> " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to move on, "

said.

>

> has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

>

> The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys have

said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held delusional

beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important prophecies.

>

> Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France, has

described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed he was

driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere religious

beliefs.

>

> was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel state

case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a judge twice

determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced treatment.

>

> Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and asked the

judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

>

> Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is already

serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> ***

>

> From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag wife who

is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a little,

helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her eyes

repeatedly for months and did nothing.

>

> So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should have

been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope that the

whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied intensely by

psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical, and genetic

researchers for the benefit of posterity.

>

> Sometimes there is justice in this world!

>

> Yay!

>

> -Annie

>

[Guest guest]

My guess is that the wife in this case has dependent personality disorder. I

believe thats one of the Cluster C group. Cluster A has the odd, eccentric pds,

Cluster B has the dramatic, emotional pds, and Cluster C has the anxiety-related

pds.

Such individuals are so terrified of being alone that they'll latch onto anyone

and literally do *anything* in order to keep that person in their life,

including helping to kidnap a child and helping keep the child a prisoner and

just watching passively as the child gets raped every day.

Dependent, enmeshed " dishrag " people are usually attracted to a more dominant

personality. It seems a lot of us here have one borderline pd or narcissistic

or antisocial pd parent who is the dominant, controlling one, and who married a

weak, passive, enabler partner.

-Annie

> >

> > Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her bedroom

when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was abused,

tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did this to her

was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife were convicted;

the article is about what said during her court appearance.

> >

> > I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what has

helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously survived:

said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse *and helping

other children who have been or are being abused* is helping her heal.

> >

> > The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally ill:

the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor incompetent to

stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was legally sane (he knew

the difference between right and wrong, reality and fantasy, and knew what he

did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway) and competent to stand trial.

> >

> > The point being:

> > Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are unable to

tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are declared legally

insane and incompetent to stand trial.

> >

> > Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does know

the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and knows

whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so they are

considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

> >

> > It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but the

federal judge didn't buy it.

> >

> > " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

> >

> > By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

> >

> > SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

> >

> > " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal from

any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said Wednesday,

after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting those around

you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

> >

> > will spend the rest of his life in prison after being

sentenced by a federal judge.

> >

> > A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the early

hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired, blue-eyed

girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while walking with her

captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

> >

> > After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

thrilled by the sentence.

> >

> > " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

> >

> > Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next year,

said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in child

advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which will

focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and sexual

crimes.

> >

> > " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I can

make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for good. "

> >

> > Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the chance

to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

> >

> > It took her about 30 seconds.

> >

> > " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, " Smart

said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it with full

knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you do, you will

never affect me again.

> >

> > " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

added.

> >

> > , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the way he

did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as if in

prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

> >

> > Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

speak when asked by the judge.

> >

> > " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months and I

never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

> >

> > 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit to

stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously convicted him

of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across state lines for sex.

> >

> > When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands and

feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once during the

hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

> >

> > At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

> >

> > , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page manifesto

he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to California for five

of the months she was held captive. She recalled being forced to live homeless,

dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her identity if ever approached

by strangers or police. She said he threatened her life and the lives of her

family every day.

> >

> > U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

> >

> > Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was long

overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for and

it will certainly ensure will never inflict such

intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, " Christensen said.

> >

> > The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing. , a

member of 's defense team, said outside court the sentence was not

unexpected.

> >

> > " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to move

on, " said.

> >

> > has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

> >

> > The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys have

said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held delusional

beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important prophecies.

> >

> > Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France, has

described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed he was

driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere religious

beliefs.

> >

> > was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel state

case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a judge twice

determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced treatment.

> >

> > Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and asked

the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

> >

> > Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is already

serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> > ***

> >

> > From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag wife

who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a little,

helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her eyes

repeatedly for months and did nothing.

> >

> > So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should have

been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope that the

whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied intensely by

psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical, and genetic

researchers for the benefit of posterity.

> >

> > Sometimes there is justice in this world!

> >

> > Yay!

> >

> > -Annie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This was such an interesting post. There was an interview with the children

of the " wife " of this pervert, I believe it was on Oprah, a year or so ago.

She seemed to be classically borderline, lack of empathy, black and white

thinking, Golden child versus Dung child, manipulative, emotionally

sadistic, physically abusive.......It was hard to watch, and almost

impossible not to. -Deb

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

>

>

> My guess is that the wife in this case has dependent personality disorder.

> I believe thats one of the Cluster C group. Cluster A has the odd, eccentric

> pds, Cluster B has the dramatic, emotional pds, and Cluster C has the

> anxiety-related pds.

>

> Such individuals are so terrified of being alone that they'll latch onto

> anyone and literally do *anything* in order to keep that person in their

> life, including helping to kidnap a child and helping keep the child a

> prisoner and just watching passively as the child gets raped every day.

>

> Dependent, enmeshed " dishrag " people are usually attracted to a more

> dominant personality. It seems a lot of us here have one borderline pd or

> narcissistic or antisocial pd parent who is the dominant, controlling one,

> and who married a weak, passive, enabler partner.

>

> -Annie

>

>

> > >

> > > Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her

> bedroom when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was

> abused, tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did

> this to her was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife

> were convicted; the article is about what said during her court

> appearance.

> > >

> > > I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what

> has helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously

> survived: said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse

> *and helping other children who have been or are being abused* is helping

> her heal.

> > >

> > > The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally

> ill: the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor

> incompetent to stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was

> legally sane (he knew the difference between right and wrong, reality and

> fantasy, and knew what he did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway)

> and competent to stand trial.

> > >

> > > The point being:

> > > Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

> difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are

> unable to tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are

> declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

> > >

> > > Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does

> know the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and

> knows whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so

> they are considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

> > >

> > > It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but

> the federal judge didn't buy it.

> > >

> > > " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

> > >

> > > By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

> > >

> > > SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

> Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

> other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

> > >

> > > " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal

> from any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said

> Wednesday, after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting

> those around you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

> > >

> > > will spend the rest of his life in prison after

> being sentenced by a federal judge.

> > >

> > > A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

> 14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the

> early hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired,

> blue-eyed girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while

> walking with her captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

> > >

> > > After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

> thrilled by the sentence.

> > >

> > > " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

> beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

> > >

> > > Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next

> year, said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in

> child advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which

> will focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and

> sexual crimes.

> > >

> > > " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I

> can make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for

> good. "

> > >

> > > Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the

> chance to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

> > >

> > > It took her about 30 seconds.

> > >

> > > " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, "

> Smart said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it

> with full knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you

> do, you will never affect me again.

> > >

> > > " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

> added.

> > >

> > > , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the

> way he did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as

> if in prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

> > >

> > > Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

> speak when asked by the judge.

> > >

> > > " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months

> and I never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

> > >

> > > 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

> ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit

> to stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously

> convicted him of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across

> state lines for sex.

> > >

> > > When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands

> and feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once

> during the hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

> > >

> > > At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

> whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

> stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

> forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

> cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

> forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

> > >

> > > , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page

> manifesto he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to

> California for five of the months she was held captive. She recalled being

> forced to live homeless, dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her

> identity if ever approached by strangers or police. She said he threatened

> her life and the lives of her family every day.

> > >

> > > U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

> because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

> > >

> > > Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was

> long overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for

> and it will certainly ensure will never

> inflict such intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, "

> Christensen said.

> > >

> > > The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing.

> , a member of 's defense team, said outside court the

> sentence was not unexpected.

> > >

> > > " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to

> move on, " said.

> > >

> > > has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

> > >

> > > The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys

> have said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held

> delusional beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important

> prophecies.

> > >

> > > Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France,

> has described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed

> he was driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere

> religious beliefs.

> > >

> > > was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel

> state case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a

> judge twice determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced

> treatment.

> > >

> > > Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and

> asked the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

> > >

> > > Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is

> already serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> > > ***

> > >

> > > From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag

> wife who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a

> little, helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her

> eyes repeatedly for months and did nothing.

> > >

> > > So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should

> have been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope

> that the whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied

> intensely by psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical,

> and genetic researchers for the benefit of posterity.

> > >

> > > Sometimes there is justice in this world!

> > >

> > > Yay!

> > >

> > > -Annie

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! Maybe there is an archive of Oprah shows and I can watch that interview

sometime; I think it would be fascinating.

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > Here is an article about the young woman who was kidnapped from her

> > bedroom when she was 14 and held for 9 months by a man and his wife and was

> > abused, tortured and threatened in every way imaginable. The perp who did

> > this to her was finally deemed able to stand trial and both he and his wife

> > were convicted; the article is about what said during her court

> > appearance.

> > > >

> > > > I am posting this article because I agree with her statement about what

> > has helped her in her healing from the trauma that she so miraculously

> > survived: said that speaking publicly and openly about the abuse

> > *and helping other children who have been or are being abused* is helping

> > her heal.

> > > >

> > > > The article also touches on the issue of her kidnapper being mentally

> > ill: the state judge deemed that he was legally insane and therefor

> > incompetent to stand trial. However a federal judge deemed that he was

> > legally sane (he knew the difference between right and wrong, reality and

> > fantasy, and knew what he did was criminal/illegal, but he did it anyway)

> > and competent to stand trial.

> > > >

> > > > The point being:

> > > > Someone who has psychosis (an Axis I mental illness) can't tell the

> > difference between their hallucinations and what is real, and they are

> > unable to tell the difference between right and wrong; such persons are

> > declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

> > > >

> > > > Someone who has personality disorder (an Axis II mental illness) does

> > know the difference between what is real and what is a hallucination, and

> > knows whether they are doing something wrong/criminal/illegal or not, and so

> > they are considered " legally sane " and competent to stand trial.

> > > >

> > > > It sounds like the perp was going for a " legal insanity " defense, but

> > the federal judge didn't buy it.

> > > >

> > > > " Smart Looks To Beautiful Future "

> > > >

> > > > By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press – Thu May 26, 7:23 am ET

> > > >

> > > > SALT LAKE CITY – Nine years after being kidnapped, tortured and raped,

> > Smart is ready to start a " beautiful " chapter in her life, helping

> > other child victims who can't speak for themselves or are still missing.

> > > >

> > > > " I think one of the biggest ways to overcome any trial in life, to heal

> > from any kind of experience is by helping those around you, " Smart said

> > Wednesday, after her kidnapper was sentenced to life in prison. " By lifting

> > those around you, you end up lifting yourself as well. "

> > > >

> > > > will spend the rest of his life in prison after

> > being sentenced by a federal judge.

> > > >

> > > > A jury convicted the 57-year-old street preacher of snatching a then

> > 14-year-old Smart from her Salt Lake City bedroom by knife-point in the

> > early hours of June 5, 2002. The massive search to find the blond-haired,

> > blue-eyed girl riveted the nation, as did her improbable recovery while

> > walking with her captor on a suburban street on March 12, 2003.

> > > >

> > > > After the hearing, a beaming and poised Smart told reporters she was

> > thrilled by the sentence.

> > > >

> > > > " Today is the ending of a very long chapter and the beginning of a very

> > beautiful chapter for me, " she said.

> > > >

> > > > Smart, who will graduate from Brigham Young University in Provo next

> > year, said she's weighing her options for the future and wants to work in

> > child advocacy, including establishing the Smart Foundation, which

> > will focus on protecting children from falling victim to kidnapping and

> > sexual crimes.

> > > >

> > > > " I am looking at all the different options and trying to decide where I

> > can make the biggest difference, where I can have the biggest effect for

> > good. "

> > > >

> > > > Smart, now 23, stood fearless in the courtroom, finally getting the

> > chance to confront her kidnapper with a steady, clear voice.

> > > >

> > > > It took her about 30 seconds.

> > > >

> > > > " I don't have very much to say to you. I know exactly what you did, "

> > Smart said. " I know that you know that what you did was wrong. You did it

> > with full knowledge ... I have a wonderful life now and no matter what you

> > do, you will never affect me again.

> > > >

> > > > " You took away nine months of my life that can never be returned, " she

> > added.

> > > >

> > > > , frail and skinny with a long, peppery white beard, sat the

> > way he did through years of court hearings — eyes closed, hands clasped as

> > if in prayer, softly singing hymns, never looking at his victim.

> > > >

> > > > Smart said she wasn't bothered by being ignored or that didn't

> > speak when asked by the judge.

> > > >

> > > > " I think I can firmly say that I heard enough during those nine months

> > and I never have to hear anything else from him again, " she said.

> > > >

> > > > 's sentencing closed a major legal chapter in the heartbreaking

> > ordeal that stalled for years after he was declared mentally ill and unfit

> > to stand trial in state court. A federal jury in December unanimously

> > convicted him of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across

> > state lines for sex.

> > > >

> > > > When the judge asked if he had anything to say, , whose hands

> > and feet were bound, kept singing. His bizarre demeanor changed just once

> > during the hearing: As he was sentenced, he sang louder.

> > > >

> > > > At trial, Smart described her ordeal as " nine months of hell. "

> > whisked her away to his camp in the foothills near the family home. She was

> > stripped of her favorite red pajamas, draped in white, religious robes and

> > forced into a polygamous marriage with . She was tethered to a metal

> > cable strung between two trees and subjected to near-daily rapes while being

> > forced to use alcohol, drugs and view pornography.

> > > >

> > > > , who outlined his religious beliefs in a rambling 27-page

> > manifesto he called " The Book of Immanuel Isaiah, " took Smart to

> > California for five of the months she was held captive. She recalled being

> > forced to live homeless, dress in disguises and stay quiet or lie about her

> > identity if ever approached by strangers or police. She said he threatened

> > her life and the lives of her family every day.

> > > >

> > > > U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball said deserved a life sentence

> > because the facts of the case were " unusually heinous and degrading. "

> > > >

> > > > Carlie Christensen, U.S. attorney for Utah, said the resolution was

> > long overdue for Smart and her family. " It is a measure of justice for

> > and it will certainly ensure will never

> > inflict such intolerable and unspeakable cruelty on anyone else again, "

> > Christensen said.

> > > >

> > > > The defense waived its closing remarks before sentencing.

> > , a member of 's defense team, said outside court the

> > sentence was not unexpected.

> > > >

> > > > " I wish Smart and her family the best. I hope they get to

> > move on, " said.

> > > >

> > > > has 10 days to appeal his conviction.

> > > >

> > > > The facts of the case have never been in dispute, but defense attorneys

> > have said 's actions were tainted by mental illness and long-held

> > delusional beliefs that he had been commanded by God to fulfill important

> > prophecies.

> > > >

> > > > Smart, who recently returned from a Mormon church mission in France,

> > has described her captor as vulgar and self-serving. She said she believed

> > he was driven by his desire for sex, drugs and alcohol, not by any sincere

> > religious beliefs.

> > > >

> > > > was deemed competent for a federal trial, though a parallel

> > state case — where he remains charged with six felonies — stalled after a

> > judge twice determined he was unfit and rejected a petition for forced

> > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > Defense attorneys maintain needs psychiatric attention and

> > asked the judge to recommend incarceration in a federal prison hospital.

> > > >

> > > > Wanda Barzee, his estranged wife and co-defendant in the case, is

> > already serving a 15-year sentence in a federal prison hospital in Texas.

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > From my point of view, its the enabling, enmeshed, spineless dishrag

> > wife who is even more guilty than her husband. She just passively allowed a

> > little, helpless, terrified child to be tortured and raped in front of her

> > eyes repeatedly for months and did nothing.

> > > >

> > > > So... good! They're both in prison psycho wards now, where they should

> > have been years and years ago. They can't hurt any more kids now. I hope

> > that the whole time they're imprisoned their brains will be studied

> > intensely by psychiatric, behavioral, neurological, biological, chemical,

> > and genetic researchers for the benefit of posterity.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes there is justice in this world!

> > > >

> > > > Yay!

> > > >

> > > > -Annie

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