Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being too disabled to fly

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i disagree.

i do not believe it is a company's responsibility to be responsible for disabled

passengers. i believe in personal responsibility. if i cannot get to and from

my seat with minimal assistance (wall walk) then i need to bring a companion

with me.

i only fly every other year but have never seen a completely disabled person

(someone not able to wall walk or get to a door unaided) without a companion.

in the case of an emergency, i believe the transportation crew would have enough

to do without having to take care of a disabled person. a healthy person would

not be happy if the crew had to take care of one person, instead of organizing

the chaos, and the 1,000 other things they have been trained to do.

just my opinion and nickel's worth...

diva

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> > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he

> didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times

> before.

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> > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'

> > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says

> a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him

> to exit the plane before takeoff.

> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956

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> > Dan U

> > dao_nguu@

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You make some good points. Thanks for your input!hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 8:01:09 PMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

i disagree. i do not believe it is a company's responsibility to be responsible for disabled passengers. i believe in personal responsibility. if i cannot get to and from my seat with minimal assistance (wall walk) then i need to bring a companion with me. i only fly every other year but have never seen a completely disabled person (someone not able to wall walk or get to a door unaided) without a companion. in the case of an emergency, i believe the transportation crew would have enough to do without having to take care of a disabled person. a healthy person would not be happy if the crew had to take care of one person, instead of organizing the chaos, and the 1,000 other things they have been trained to do.just my opinion and nickel's worth...diva>> >> > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he> didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> before.> >> > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> to exit the plane before

takeoff.> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> >> >> > Dan U> > dao_nguu@> >>------------------------------------

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I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner. love/Reb>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan U> > > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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I agree with Reb - there insanity could lead to a major lawsuit - the American Disability Act says arrangements must be made to accommodate the disabled - you order special food ahead of time when you fly - I know when I have to fly again I will need assistance with a scooter or someone to push the wheel chair - I can't walk without my arm crutch from the sidewalk to the boarding lounge in our small airport - and I have to take my time - having an idjut tell you you are too disabled to fly in sight and hearing of a planeload of passengers - that is illegal

are they including wounded warriors in this blanket declaration? they are disabled too - an amputee went back to work and flew Air Force One with a prosthesis - crutches and canes are not a bad thing God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there.

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 3:24:20 AMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner.

love

/Reb

>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan U>

> > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Yes, and in the United States, this is a violation of the Americans With Disabilities ACT,and therefore a violation of law enacted by Congress. Now, those people who weigh 800lbs. and who must purchase two or three seats or fares to just board the plane, that strikesme as an issue as well. . .yet to be addressed, as it may take such persons years to losethe weight, but the paralyzed person or the one wMS has no choice in the matter.Love, to you all, and thank you, Reb.nTo: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 1:24:20 AMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner. love/Reb>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being

removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan U> > > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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it was in Grand Rapids Michigan and he has Cerebral Palsy and is an advocate

the shite has hit the fan God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there.

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 7:22:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

Yes, and in the United States, this is a violation of the Americans With Disabilities ACT,and therefore a violation of law enacted by Congress. Now, those people who weigh 800lbs. and who must purchase two or three seats or fares to just board the plane, that strikesme as an issue as well. . .yet to be addressed, as it may take such persons years to losethe weight, but the paralyzed person or the one wMS has no choice in the matter.Love, to you all, and thank you, Reb.n

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 1:24:20 AMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner.

love

/Reb

>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan

U> > > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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I have thought about this and I agree with Diva that there must be some amount of personal responsibility for assistance. Of course all disabled persons have as much of a right to fly as abled persons. But when does it become the responsibility of others to take care of us? To move us, to help us to the toilet and even to assist us in the toilet? If I needed that sort of assistance I would not fly unless I was able to have someone with me to assist me. Not to mention the safety factor. In an emergency, the flight staff have others things to do besides take care of one individual. n, I have to disagree with you on the person who weighs "800 pounds" not being as disabled as a paralyzed

person. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. My thoughts are that a person who is grossly overweight is disabled just as much a person who is paralyzed from a self-caused accident. So if we are going to make a difference in the obese person from a paralyzed person we better be asking how the paralyzed person got that way. Interesting topic!hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 5:22:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

Yes, and in the United States, this is a violation of the Americans With Disabilities ACT,and therefore a violation of law enacted by Congress. Now, those people who weigh 800lbs. and who must purchase two or three seats or fares to just board the plane, that strikesme as an issue as well. . .yet to be addressed, as it may take such persons years to losethe weight, but the paralyzed person or the one wMS has no choice in the matter.Love, to you all, and thank you, Reb.nFrom: Reb D

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 1:24:20 AMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner. love/Reb>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being

removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan U> > > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Hey fam. i've been reading about this on my cell but just got home to reply. I was,am floored. Said person flew before,unaided...so who gave someone the right to bar them now? This undermins everything the disabilities act stands for! I am disabled more some days than others,i fly unaided,i am brought on plane in wheelchair and on the rare occson i have to go--an attendant assist me to the door~at the point they dont want to,feel its not their job,or got a problem...so what! this whole situation is sad.....

SHALONDA

"Me + God's grace & forgiveness can overcome any & everything"

Subject: Re: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"To: MSersLife Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 11:14 AM

I have thought about this and I agree with Diva that there must be some amount of personal responsibility for assistance. Of course all disabled persons have as much of a right to fly as abled persons. But when does it become the responsibility of others to take care of us? To move us, to help us to the toilet and even to assist us in the toilet? If I needed that sort of assistance I would not fly unless I was able to have someone with me to assist me. Not to mention the safety factor. In an emergency, the flight staff have others things to do besides take care of one individual. n, I have to disagree with you on the person who weighs "800 pounds" not being as disabled as a paralyzed person. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. My thoughts are that a

person who is grossly overweight is disabled just as much a person who is paralyzed from a self-caused accident. So if we are going to make a difference in the obese person from a paralyzed person we better be asking how the paralyzed person got that way. Interesting topic!hugs

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 5:22:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

Yes, and in the United States, this is a violation of the Americans With Disabilities ACT,and therefore a violation of law enacted by Congress. Now, those people who weigh 800lbs. and who must purchase two or three seats or fares to just board the plane, that strikesme as an issue as well. . .yet to be addressed, as it may take such persons years to losethe weight, but the paralyzed person or the one wMS has no choice in the matter.Love, to you all, and thank you, Reb.n

To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 1:24:20 AMSubject: Re: (reb_41se) Man removed from US Airways jet for being "too disabled to fly"

I don't see it as an issue of "caring" I see it as an issue of accessability. And accessability of a place can only ever be the responsibility of whoever owns and/or runs the place. Just as the safety of a place is, and can only be, the responsibility of the owner.

love

/Reb

>> > >> > > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he> > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times> > before.> > >> > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'> > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says> > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him> > to exit the plane before takeoff.> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956> > >> > >> > > Dan U> > > dao_nguu@> > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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so please clarify for me,

at what point does a disabled person bring a companion? never? is it always

going to be the responsibility of the transportation company to provide 100%

assistance at all times?

diva

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> > > > An Internet story on a man being removed from a flight because he

> > > didn't have a companion although he'd flown on the airline many times

> > > before.

> > > >

> > > > Passenger told he was 'too disabled to fly'

> > > > nie Tuitel, who has used a wheelchair almost his entire life, says

> > > a U.S. Airways agent told him he needed a companion to fly and asked him

> > > to exit the plane before takeoff.

> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39686956#39686956

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> > > > Dan U

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