Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 At 07:07 PM 5/1/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Any body been watching? > >They seem to have a lot of what I am understanding to be the NT diet, >though they are using flour at least. Weight loss is an obvious >result, but there has been real hard work and, at times limited food. >One family is into having animals, lots of them, another has two goats >and is making goat cheese to sell/trade. Eggs are 'free range'. i am >kind of envious of their diet, considering my interest in NT, but, >what do the rest of you think about how close the food they are eating >is to NT principles? > >Mike Actually, I was thinking that considering what they are eating they are doing pretty good ... living on canned peaches, white flour, sugar? They didn't get goat cheese and dairy until later on, and very little meat. Later they started getting lots of eggs (most of which they seem to be selling). They were living on beans and corn meal for a long time -- almost nothing in the way of fruits or vegies or meat. It would be very interesting to see how that compares to average for the pioneers. I'd think that the average guy would have been out hunting rabbits or deer or fishing -- it's hard to think that living on all that open land there is NOTHING to eat but what they brought with them. They only managed to catch one little rattlesnake! (but they did collect enough berries to make booze -- so they COULD have made fruit leather instead if they'd thought about it). Of course, this all goes with the premise of the show, which is that some of the homesteaders DIDN'T know what they were doing. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 They are eating processed sugar; I don't know if the maple sugar has been heated or not. They are also eating white flour, as well as canned food. Also, they have no fermented food. So you are mainly looking at grass-fed meat, dairy and eggs. It is probably what sustained them, ultimately. /anne > Any body been watching? > > They seem to have a lot of what I am understanding to be the NT diet, > though they are using flour at least. Weight loss is an obvious > result, but there has been real hard work and, at times limited food. > One family is into having animals, lots of them, another has two goats > and is making goat cheese to sell/trade. Eggs are 'free range'. i am > kind of envious of their diet, considering my interest in NT, but, > what do the rest of you think about how close the food they are eating > is to NT principles? > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 >>Mike > >Actually, I was thinking that considering what they are eating they are >doing pretty good ... living on canned peaches, white flour, sugar? They >didn't get goat cheese and dairy until later on, and very little meat. >Later they started getting lots of eggs (most of which they seem to be >selling). They were living on beans and corn meal for a long time -- almost >nothing in the way of fruits or vegies or meat. Now that I've seen all six hours of the program, I am certain there is a lot more to the diet than what we were shown. Home canned products were shown, and some of the canned goods were described as 'pickled', chickens that didn't lay were eaten, the local indians killed and gave them a deer, and at the very end the pig was killed and roasted whole, but these were only shown because they made a good story. There was fresh cows milk available from at least three cows, then part way through, one family added a goat, I thought I saw two goats, but later only one was mentioned. The chickens were mentioned in the very beginning during training, but they were not seen during the migration and the first two or three hours, then suddenly, it appears that chicken were a central part of every family. So, what it seems, based on comments here and some reasoning, that this period of time was the beginning of SAD, but a good deal of healthy food was still in the mix. Does anyone know, would 1883 flour been healthier than what we get today? What does the term 'pickling' mean? I am only familiar with it in regards to store bought pickles, but I have heard of, but never seen pickled meats. What does pickling do to the nutrition value of the food? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 <<< One family is into having animals, lots of them, another has two goats and is making goat cheese to sell/trade. Eggs are 'free range'. i am kind of envious of their diet, considering my interest in NT, but, what do the rest of you think about how close the food they are eating is to NT principles? Mike >>> They also had vegetable gardens, so were eating fresh veggies after a while. Looked like they were getting loads of raw milk from their Jersey's. Although they didn't mention it specifically, I was wondering if they were doing some fermenting of the dairy products since the quantity of milk from just one Jersey cow would be a lot for just one family. Too bad some of them weren't familiar with NT. That sort of knowledge would have been a tremendous help. They also had lots of raw butter. They were shown churning butter many times. As someone else mentioned the did use white sugar and flour. They ate their chickens that weren't laying, too. I watched the last episode last night. Quite touching really how the majority of them were brought to tears at having to leave their one room log cabins with no running water, electricity, etc. One family returned to what looked like a multi-million dollar home in Malibu. Even the teenage girls seemed to prefer their homestead life to living a life of luxury. Out of all the people only two of the women appeared to be happy to be leaving. I got the impression that most would have stayed if possible. Considering their backgrounds, I thought they all did amazingly well. At the beginning of the series one of the women cried her eyes out because she wouldn't be allowed any lipstick, but ended up surviving quite well. Very interesting series. I hope they air it again. Carmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 In a message dated 5/3/2002 10:39:32 AM Central Daylight Time, ctn@... writes: > > > They had guns. The problem was it wasn't hunting season. Only Native > Americans could kill venison out of season. > > Carmen > I thought they were supposed to be living the ways of the late 1800s. There were hunting seasons then? Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 At 02:07 PM 5/2/02 +0000, Heidi wrote: the local indians killed and gave >them a deer, and at the very end the pig was killed and roasted whole, >but these were only shown because they made a good story. Kind of odd that a pioneer would go or be anywhere without a gun. Even odder if there was one to kill the pig and all that time they could have had venison if they hunted. Its just a show I realize and the participants are doing the best they know how. Remember seeing it once and it was mentioned they had one reference book. Mike wrote: >Does anyone know, would 1883 flour been healthier than what we get today? Was more than likely home milled or grist milled. More like whole wheat. No enriching or bleaching. What does the term 'pickling' mean? I am only familiar with it in regards to store bought pickles, >but I have heard of, but never seen pickled meats. What does pickling >do to the nutrition value of the food? You're right, its canning and preserving in vinegar. Fruits, vegetables, meat, eggs. Gefilte fish I believe is pickled. Pickling just like canning in water doesn't produce great nutrition. Vinegar does create a safer product because it doesn't produce a place for botulism to grow. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 At 11:59 AM 5/3/02 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/3/2002 10:39:32 AM Central Daylight Time, ctn@... >writes: >>  They had guns. The problem was it wasn't hunting season. Only Native >> Americans could kill venison out of season. >> >>  Carmen >> > >I thought they were supposed to be living the ways of the late 1800s. There >were hunting seasons then? > >Belinda In the 1880's everyone had to feed themselves pretty much still unless they lived in a city. No world wars yet to get the industrial/agricultural/work/buy food dependancy going. Were no hunting seasons then. All the Indian tribes had been put on reservations in 1880. My big beef is hunting/fishing seasons don't allow you to support yourself. Not because I feel I have a right because its a Native American right when you live on a reservation. Because all my ancestors except for my mother's parents who came off the farms in Canada to work in factories lived that way. Funny the hunting laws were used but not the milk. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 >> I saw five out of the six shows and someone filled me in on the one I missed, which happened to be this one. What I was told was they did indeed have hunting seasons even way back then. Seems strange to me also. No, I saw that part. They didn't have hunting seasons back then, they just were unable (or maybe didn't try?) to suspend current hunting laws for this show. Which when you think about it, really does skew the results of the experiment. When they began to run short of food, they were unable to supplement with hunting which would have been the first recourse back then; also they didn't have the experience of skinning, gutting, tanning, drying, etc, that would have been so familiar to the settlers. ~ Carma ~ " Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity. " ~ Gatto Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Wanita- >My big beef is hunting/fishing seasons don't >allow you to support yourself. This is understandably irritating, but the problem is that without hunting seasons, there'd be _no_ game and fish before long. There are far, far more people here than there used to be, and hunting seasons are essential to manage animal populations. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 <<< Kind of odd that a pioneer would go or be anywhere without a gun. Even odder if there was one to kill the pig and all that time they could have had venison if they hunted. Its just a show I realize and the participants are doing the best they know how. >>> They had guns. The problem was it wasn't hunting season. Only Native Americans could kill venison out of season. Carmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 At 01:37 PM 5/3/02 -0400, you wrote: >Wanita- > >>My big beef is hunting/fishing seasons don't >>allow you to support yourself. > >This is understandably irritating, but the problem is that without hunting >seasons, there'd be _no_ game and fish before long. There are far, far >more people here than there used to be, and hunting seasons are essential >to manage animal populations. >- I realize this . Everyone has choices made for them and not everyone would make my choices. Meanwhile daily more parking lots get paved and forests cut down. Self sufficiency is penalized for the abuse it could be. Habitat destruction goes on unfettered except for the people that see where its taking us all. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > They had guns. The problem was it wasn't hunting season. Only Native > Americans could kill venison out of season. > > Carmen > <<< I thought they were supposed to be living the ways of the late 1800s. There were hunting seasons then? Belinda >>> I saw five out of the six shows and someone filled me in on the one I missed, which happened to be this one. What I was told was they did indeed have hunting seasons even way back then. Seems strange to me also. Apparently one of the homesteaders was an avid hunter and had big plans to feed his family in that way and was quite upset that his plan fell through. Carmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 At 10:35 AM 5/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >No, I saw that part. They didn't have hunting seasons back then, they >just were unable (or maybe didn't try?) to suspend current hunting laws >for this show. Which when you think about it, really does skew the >results of the experiment. When they began to run short of food, they >were unable to supplement with hunting which would have been the first >recourse back then; also they didn't have the experience of skinning, >gutting, tanning, drying, etc, that would have been so familiar to the >settlers. And if they DID have the experience, I imagine PBS (which has a high vegetarian audience) would get a lot of angry letters. I'm kind of surprised they got away with having chicken for dinner. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 > > the local indians killed and gave > >them a deer, and at the very end the pig was killed and roasted whole, > >but these were only shown because they made a good story. > > Kind of odd that a pioneer would go or be anywhere without a gun. Even > odder if > there was one to kill the pig and all that time they could have had venison if > they hunted. well, they were governed by modern law, and hunting season didn't open until after they let, though they could have hunted rabbit and more, they must have hunted that and some squirel, since n the end the clune father showed hwo his kids haddone so at home. i wis they had gone on looger, or had more details, what a great show@ stefanie, joyous wife to terry and proud momma to three, nurslings katarina 1.2.00 and sierra 1.13.01., with a new little jellybean due 12.2002 (UC of course)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 When they began to run short of food, they > were unable to supplement with hunting which would have been the first > recourse back then; also they didn't have the experience of skinning, > gutting, tanning, drying, etc, that would have been so familiar to the > settlers. its'only the large thigns they coudnn't hunt, deer, elk, bear, etc. they could have hunted for rabbit and squirel legally, maybe the show decided it would be too dangerous, peoel shooting in the woods, etc. it was also silly tht they werne't allowed to dirve a team stefanie, joyous wife to terry and proud momma to three, nurslings katarina 1.2.00 and sierra 1.13.01., with a new little jellybean due 12.2002 (UC of course)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 > its'only the large thigns they coudnn't hunt, deer, elk, bear, etc. > they could have hunted for rabbit and squirel legally, maybe the show > decided it would be too dangerous, peoel shooting in the woods, etc. > it was also silly tht they werne't allowed to dirve a team Really? Not if they'd been in Minnesota. We've got seasons for just about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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