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Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

Maxie Bisop

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personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty?

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Although the State DSHS does not require the ID card, some agencies (Houston

Fire Dept. does) and some municipalities (Houston) do. That is in addition

to the State required identification of name, service and certification

level. Our service identifies its members by use of an ID tag that indicates

the individual's CREDENTIALED status (what level of care the Medical

Director approves the individual to provide) and not their DSHS

certification level, as they may not be the same.

Almaguer, Sr. Captain

Houston Fire Department - EMS Command

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Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

Maxie Bisop

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personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty?

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Maxie;

I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my level on

it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to produce it,would

a call to our agency suffice and having it on file could be verified. A DSHS

official who stops us in the field should then not be required to ask us if we

have it,but can call our agency or ambulance service who can verify this. I

think this would relieve a lot of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get

fined for it.

Regards,

SSG

.. R.Borenstein(Retired)

" Doc "

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Re: Cert cards while on duty

Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

Maxie Bisop

Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS

personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty?

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Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for

them if they are not required.

Andy Foote

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Maxie;

I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my

level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to

produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file

could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should

then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or

ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot

of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it.

Regards,

SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired)

" Doc "

rabbiems

Re: Cert cards while on duty

Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

Maxie Bisop

Need a definative answer on this.

Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person

while on duty?

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Ummm, let me get this straight. DSHS has a vastly inadequate staff to

police the industry. Folks are dashing about committing Medicare/Medicaid

fraud

every day, costing the taxpayers zillions of dollars, they can't visit all the

education programs and make sure they're running right, they can't investigate

complaints, and the DSHS people are spending their days running around asking

medics for their papers when they come out of the hospital????

Your Documents, monsieur! Oh, no documents? How very sad! Heh heh. Ve

haff vays of dealing vith people like you!

GG

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> They do it at the Dallas area hospitals too.

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> Lee

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> Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for

> them if they are not required.

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> Andy Foote

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> Maxie;

> I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my

> level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to

> produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file

> could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should

> then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or

> ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot

> of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it.

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> Regards,

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> SSG . R.Borenstein( SSG .Ri

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> " Doc "

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> rabbiems

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> Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

> Maxie Bisop

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> Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person

> while on duty?

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They do it at the Dallas area hospitals too.

Lee

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of rachfoote@...

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:07 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty

Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for

them if they are not required.

Andy Foote

RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty

Maxie;

I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my

level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to

produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file

could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should

then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or

ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot

of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it.

Regards,

SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired)

" Doc "

rabbiems

Re: Cert cards while on duty

Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty

Maxie Bisop

Need a definative answer on this.

Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person

while on duty?

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The Tyler Clinical Specialists ask for them as well.

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>Lee

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>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:07 PM

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>Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for

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>them if they are not required.

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>Andy Foote

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>Maxie;

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>I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my

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>level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to

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>produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file

>

>could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should

>

>then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or

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>ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot

>

>of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it.

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>

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>Regards,

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>SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired)

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> " Doc "

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>rabbiems

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>Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person

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>while on duty?

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Cert cards while off duty:

Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger

or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for

a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification and

drivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes medical

equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on

looker.

Bert Lagarde

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I am going to jump in here. If I am not mistaking the posts so far, the question

was in a nutshell, " Why are EMS Personnel being approached by DSHS personnel

while on duty and asked to produce a copy of their DSHS certification when the

rule no longer states that such personnel have to carry it on their persons

while on duty? " And if they are not able to produce it, since there is no

longer that provision in the law, then there is absolutely nothing that DSHS can

do to that individual certificant for NOT carrying it. The only thing they can

really have any say on in that area is if that EMS person is not wearing a

nametag or shirt or something to identify them by name, license or certification

level and service they are representing.

Maxie Bishop posted that the certification on the person is not required.

Others have posted that in their individual cities or areas, DSHS personnel are

still asking for it. It just sounds like to me that DSHS needs to clarify this

with their Regional Staff so there is no longer an issue. :) Easy fix....

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@...: pzzapp@...: Fri, 7 Nov 2008

05:44:59 -0800Subject: Re: Cert cards while on duty

Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial

airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew

will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your

certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the

airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are

another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non-text portions of this message have been

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What IS required is to have persons of the appropriate cert level to staff the

ambulances. DSHS personnel do have to verify that. From what I have read so

far, DSHS asks for the card, no one has said they have been penalized for not

having it. I am sure if someone didn't have their card, DSHS would take their

information and verify their cert level manually.

But that's just my opinion.

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To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:22 AM

I am going to jump in here. If I am not mistaking the posts so far, the question

was in a nutshell, " Why are EMS Personnel being approached by DSHS personnel

while on duty and asked to produce a copy of their DSHS certification when the

rule no longer states that such personnel have to carry it on their persons

while on duty? " And if they are not able to produce it, since there is no longer

that provision in the law, then there is absolutely nothing that DSHS can do to

that individual certificant for NOT carrying it. The only thing they can really

have any say on in that area is if that EMS person is not wearing a nametag or

shirt or something to identify them by name, license or certification level and

service they are representing.

Maxie Bishop posted that the certification on the person is not required. Others

have posted that in their individual cities or areas, DSHS personnel are still

asking for it. It just sounds like to me that DSHS needs to clarify this with

their Regional Staff so there is no longer an issue. :) Easy fix....

Jane Dinsmore

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05:44:59 -0800Subject: Re: Cert cards while on duty

Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial

airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew

will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your

certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the

airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are

another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non- text portions of this message have been

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EMS personnel are not required to carry the cert, but nothing prohibits DSHS

personnel from asking for it. Part of their job is to verify cert status, and if

the personnel do have their cards it would save having to check another way. The

real question is whether any action has been attempted against anyone not

carrying their cert card.

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Re: Cert cards while on duty

Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial

airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew

will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your

certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the

airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are

another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non-text portions of this message have been

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On Friday, November 7, 2008 07:44, " Mr. G " said:

> Cert cards while off duty:

> Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger

> or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for

> a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification and

> drivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes

> medical

> equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on

> looker.

I have never been asked for my licence when rendering aid on any flight,

domestic or international. Never seen them ask for anyone else's either. In my

experience, it is rare that they would ask. They just take you to the patient

and hand you the bags.

Rob

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OK, according to my sources (I have WAAAAAAYYYYYYYSSSSSS to make you talk), DSHS

specialists who ask folks on the ambulance if they can see their cards cannot

and WILL not penalize anyone who can't produce them. They are just looking to

verify identify to make their jobs a little easier. If you don't have it, they

will most likely take your name and look you up in the system to be sure that

you are certified. If you know your certification number off the top of your

head (which I do but some don't), that also goes a long way with them. However,

either way, people DO get on trucks to work who either AREN'T certified or are

suspended. They are trying to catch THOSE people when they ask. :) So if you

are certified but don't have your card on you when asked, don't stress about it

- there is absolutely nothing anyone is going to do to you. Just be sure no

matter what you have your name, service, and cert or license level identified on

your shirt or nametag. THAT they CAN do something about.

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Jane is correct in her statement, also as stated in the Texas

Administrative Code Chapter 157.11

m) Responsibilities of the EMS provider. During the license period, the

provider's responsibilities shall include:

<NO>(4) ensuring that all personnel are currently certified or licensed by

the departme

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