Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty Maxie Bisop Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty? > > thanks > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Although the State DSHS does not require the ID card, some agencies (Houston Fire Dept. does) and some municipalities (Houston) do. That is in addition to the State required identification of name, service and certification level. Our service identifies its members by use of an ID tag that indicates the individual's CREDENTIALED status (what level of care the Medical Director approves the individual to provide) and not their DSHS certification level, as they may not be the same. Almaguer, Sr. Captain Houston Fire Department - EMS Command _____ From: maxiebishop Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:06 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Cert cards while on duty Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty Maxie Bisop Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty? > > thanks > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Maxie; I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it. Regards, SSG .. R.Borenstein(Retired) " Doc " rabbiems Re: Cert cards while on duty Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty Maxie Bisop Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty? > > thanks > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for them if they are not required. Andy Foote RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty Maxie; I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it. Regards, SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired) " Doc " rabbiems Re: Cert cards while on duty Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty Maxie Bisop Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty? > > thanks > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Ummm, let me get this straight. DSHS has a vastly inadequate staff to police the industry. Folks are dashing about committing Medicare/Medicaid fraud every day, costing the taxpayers zillions of dollars, they can't visit all the education programs and make sure they're running right, they can't investigate complaints, and the DSHS people are spending their days running around asking medics for their papers when they come out of the hospital???? Your Documents, monsieur! Oh, no documents? How very sad! Heh heh. Ve haff vays of dealing vith people like you! GG In a message dated 11/6/08 4:14:26 PM, L@... writes: > > They do it at the Dallas area hospitals too. > > Lee > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On > Behalf Of rachfoote@... > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:07 PM > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem > Subject: RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty > > Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for > them if they are not required. > > Andy Foote > > RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty > > Maxie; > I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my > level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to > produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file > could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should > then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or > ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot > of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it. > > Regards, > > SSG . R.Borenstein( SSG .Ri > > " Doc " > > rabbiems > > Re: Cert cards while on duty > > Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty > Maxie Bisop > > Need a definative answer on this. > Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person > while on duty? > > > > thanks > > > > ------------ -------- -------- -- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 They do it at the Dallas area hospitals too. Lee From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rachfoote@... Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:07 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for them if they are not required. Andy Foote RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty Maxie; I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it. Regards, SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired) " Doc " rabbiems Re: Cert cards while on duty Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty Maxie Bisop Need a definative answer on this. Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person while on duty? > > thanks > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 The Tyler Clinical Specialists ask for them as well. > > They do it at the Dallas area hospitals too. > > > >Lee > > > >From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > >Behalf Of rachfoote@... > >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:07 PM > >To: texasems-l > >Subject: RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty > > > >Maybe I didn't understand your post, but why would DSHS be asking for > >them if they are not required. > > > >Andy Foote > > > > RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty > > > >Maxie; > >I carry my cert cards on me at all times. On My city EMS tag I have my > >level on it with a photo ID. When DSHS officials ask us at hospitals to > >produce it,would a call to our agency suffice and having it on file > >could be verified. A DSHS official who stops us in the field should > >then not be required to ask us if we have it,but can call our agency or > >ambulance service who can verify this. I think this would relieve a lot > >of inspection anxiety and not have our agency get fined for it. > > > >Regards, > > > >SSG . R.Borenstein(Retired) > > > > " Doc " > > > >rabbiems > > > > Re: Cert cards while on duty > > > >Ems personnel are not required to carry their cert cards on duty > >Maxie Bisop > > > > Need a definative answer on this. > >Must EMS personnel carry their certification cards on their person > >while on duty? > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > >Try it now. > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Cert cards while off duty: Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification and drivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on looker. Bert Lagarde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I am going to jump in here. If I am not mistaking the posts so far, the question was in a nutshell, " Why are EMS Personnel being approached by DSHS personnel while on duty and asked to produce a copy of their DSHS certification when the rule no longer states that such personnel have to carry it on their persons while on duty? " And if they are not able to produce it, since there is no longer that provision in the law, then there is absolutely nothing that DSHS can do to that individual certificant for NOT carrying it. The only thing they can really have any say on in that area is if that EMS person is not wearing a nametag or shirt or something to identify them by name, license or certification level and service they are representing. Maxie Bishop posted that the certification on the person is not required. Others have posted that in their individual cities or areas, DSHS personnel are still asking for it. It just sounds like to me that DSHS needs to clarify this with their Regional Staff so there is no longer an issue. Easy fix.... Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l@...: pzzapp@...: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:44:59 -0800Subject: Re: Cert cards while on duty Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1120\ 08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 What IS required is to have persons of the appropriate cert level to staff the ambulances. DSHS personnel do have to verify that. From what I have read so far, DSHS asks for the card, no one has said they have been penalized for not having it. I am sure if someone didn't have their card, DSHS would take their information and verify their cert level manually. But that's just my opinion. Subject: RE: Re: Cert cards while on duty To: texasems-l Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:22 AM I am going to jump in here. If I am not mistaking the posts so far, the question was in a nutshell, " Why are EMS Personnel being approached by DSHS personnel while on duty and asked to produce a copy of their DSHS certification when the rule no longer states that such personnel have to carry it on their persons while on duty? " And if they are not able to produce it, since there is no longer that provision in the law, then there is absolutely nothing that DSHS can do to that individual certificant for NOT carrying it. The only thing they can really have any say on in that area is if that EMS person is not wearing a nametag or shirt or something to identify them by name, license or certification level and service they are representing. Maxie Bishop posted that the certification on the person is not required. Others have posted that in their individual cities or areas, DSHS personnel are still asking for it. It just sounds like to me that DSHS needs to clarify this with their Regional Staff so there is no longer an issue. Easy fix.... Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: pzzapp (AT) yahoo (DOT) comDate: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:44:59 -0800Subject: Re: Cert cards while on duty Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non- text portions of this message have been removed] ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive. com/Explore/ Hotmail?ocid= TXT_TAGLM_ WL_hotmail_ acq_faster_ 112008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 EMS personnel are not required to carry the cert, but nothing prohibits DSHS personnel from asking for it. Part of their job is to verify cert status, and if the personnel do have their cards it would save having to check another way. The real question is whether any action has been attempted against anyone not carrying their cert card. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Cert cards while on duty Cert cards while off duty:Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification anddrivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes medical equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on looker.Bert Lagarde[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1120\ 08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 On Friday, November 7, 2008 07:44, " Mr. G " said: > Cert cards while off duty: > Just a side note. If you are aboard a commercial airline and a passenger > or crew member needs medical assistance, the flight crew will ask for > a paramedic, doctor, or nurse. If you can produce your certification and > drivers license(picture ID), you will have accesses to the airplanes > medical > equipment and be able to render aid, no certification, you are another on > looker. I have never been asked for my licence when rendering aid on any flight, domestic or international. Never seen them ask for anyone else's either. In my experience, it is rare that they would ask. They just take you to the patient and hand you the bags. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 OK, according to my sources (I have WAAAAAAYYYYYYYSSSSSS to make you talk), DSHS specialists who ask folks on the ambulance if they can see their cards cannot and WILL not penalize anyone who can't produce them. They are just looking to verify identify to make their jobs a little easier. If you don't have it, they will most likely take your name and look you up in the system to be sure that you are certified. If you know your certification number off the top of your head (which I do but some don't), that also goes a long way with them. However, either way, people DO get on trucks to work who either AREN'T certified or are suspended. They are trying to catch THOSE people when they ask. So if you are certified but don't have your card on you when asked, don't stress about it - there is absolutely nothing anyone is going to do to you. Just be sure no matter what you have your name, service, and cert or license level identified on your shirt or nametag. THAT they CAN do something about. Jane Dinsmore _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Jane is correct in her statement, also as stated in the Texas Administrative Code Chapter 157.11 m) Responsibilities of the EMS provider. During the license period, the provider's responsibilities shall include: <NO>(4) ensuring that all personnel are currently certified or licensed by the departme **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://\ searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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