Re: diet question and magnesium

January 11, 2012

Thank you guys so much for all of the info! Sorry to not respond more quickly.

I honestly didn't think this post got on due to my having computer problems that

day and when I looked for it on the list the next day, I couldn't find it. Was

just searching for something else today and found it! Thanks everyone.

I actually was thinking maybe salicylates, but I believe that many of the low

sal fruits are offenders too: mango, pear (although I haven't tried without

skin), kiwi, etc. And bananas definitely don't cause the sandy stools.

Feingold seems to promise such wonderful things (change in attitude being very

enticing), but I'm just not sure it is the correct " answer " .

In doing some other research (since I didn't think this post was here) I have

decided to start Syntol with my oldest and ordered it today. I also started

giving him Culturelle recently but will probably just switch to Syntol since I

believe it covers what I was hoping to address with the Culturelle. My oldest

has a LOT of anxiety issues right now--especially separation anxiety, but some

other social anxiety as well. After doing lots of reading here I'm suspect that

it could be clostridia and I've always suspected yeast with him as he gets the

yeasty red spots on his bum anytime he eats too much sugar/bread and my taking

acidolphilos helped his digestion when he was an infant being breastfed. So we

do some acidophilus here & there, but nothing this strong in the past (three-lac

was strongest). So I'm hoping this might be helpful to him.

I'm also going to order some live kefir grains. I was waiting as I couldn't

decide whether to do the dairy or water grains. But I *think* I'm going to

start with the dairy and then maybe just try the coconut water with some of the

extra grains, etc and then maybe down the road I can get the water ones if I see

that they would be beneficial. Any hints as to how to flavor the kefir without

fruit?? I'm thinking vanilla, but anything else? Oh yeah--oldest has an

allergy to cinnamon--contact allergy causing red skin.

Also, I have wondered about doing a parasite cleanse, but am very nervous to do

it since the boys are young yet (and lightweight). What is considered to be the

safest? I actually saw something in DS2's diaper a couple different times that

*may* have been a parasite. Mentioned it to the Dr & we did a dose of

Mebednazole two weeks apart. Since then I've read that probably isn't strong

enough to kill too much. Since I see some other possible signs of parasites, I

would like to address it: asthma, grinding teeth, nighttime bedwetting all with

the oldest.

Sorry this is getting so long--I've been reading on this stuff (here &

elsewhere) many months--over a year, and am just now feeling like I am ready to

try a few things...very slowly.

Thanks for all the help you all provide--both now directly and through all the

archives!

> >

> > I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know

where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am

always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

> > I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some

sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT

and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one

anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical

interventions.

> > My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you

folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone

has any ideas.

> > Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out

what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the offenders that

would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to be having trouble

with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's but with frequent

trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest I've been able to

better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit seems to cause the

biggest problem--especially citrus, but also apples/applesauce and blueberries.

Bananas do ok. I realized this when I started buying more of those lovely pureed

fruit packets that are now available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in

these?) Another thing that seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out

early as we tried brown rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash.

When they are having trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn

their skin. Many " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the

Kashi Heart to Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in

these...)

> > This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh pineapple

at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet his pants, it

burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way back on giving fruit

to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had to cut them in the past,

now it is weekly!

> > I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a

difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically a

low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used Three-Lac

for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that although I can't say

it made a difference on the digestive issue.

> > So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give someone a

clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are any enzymes I

need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I used to give 3-5

servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the youngest is only 2 1/2

and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs, haven't weighed youngest in

a while)

> >

> > The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days per

week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I thought about

some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not constipated (and has a

tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a lotion might be better. Does

anyone know a good natural lotion I can add mag to? Or any other ideas?

> >

> > Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

> >

>

January 12, 2012

sandy stools = oxalates.

Thank you guys so much for all of the info! Sorry to not respond more quickly. I honestly didn't think this post got on due to my having computer problems that day and when I looked for it on the list the next day, I couldn't find it. Was just searching for something else today and found it! Thanks everyone.

I actually was thinking maybe salicylates, but I believe that many of the low sal fruits are offenders too: mango, pear (although I haven't tried without skin), kiwi, etc. And bananas definitely don't cause the sandy stools. Feingold seems to promise such wonderful things (change in attitude being very enticing), but I'm just not sure it is the correct " answer " .

In doing some other research (since I didn't think this post was here) I have decided to start Syntol with my oldest and ordered it today. I also started giving him Culturelle recently but will probably just switch to Syntol since I believe it covers what I was hoping to address with the Culturelle. My oldest has a LOT of anxiety issues right now--especially separation anxiety, but some other social anxiety as well. After doing lots of reading here I'm suspect that it could be clostridia and I've always suspected yeast with him as he gets the yeasty red spots on his bum anytime he eats too much sugar/bread and my taking acidolphilos helped his digestion when he was an infant being breastfed. So we do some acidophilus here & there, but nothing this strong in the past (three-lac was strongest). So I'm hoping this might be helpful to him.

I'm also going to order some live kefir grains. I was waiting as I couldn't decide whether to do the dairy or water grains. But I *think* I'm going to start with the dairy and then maybe just try the coconut water with some of the extra grains, etc and then maybe down the road I can get the water ones if I see that they would be beneficial. Any hints as to how to flavor the kefir without fruit?? I'm thinking vanilla, but anything else? Oh yeah--oldest has an allergy to cinnamon--contact allergy causing red skin.

Also, I have wondered about doing a parasite cleanse, but am very nervous to do it since the boys are young yet (and lightweight). What is considered to be the safest? I actually saw something in DS2's diaper a couple different times that *may* have been a parasite. Mentioned it to the Dr & we did a dose of Mebednazole two weeks apart. Since then I've read that probably isn't strong enough to kill too much. Since I see some other possible signs of parasites, I would like to address it: asthma, grinding teeth, nighttime bedwetting all with the oldest.

Sorry this is getting so long--I've been reading on this stuff (here & elsewhere) many months--over a year, and am just now feeling like I am ready to try a few things...very slowly.

Thanks for all the help you all provide--both now directly and through all the archives!

> >

> > I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

> > I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try some biomedical interventions.

> > My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see if anyone has any ideas.

> > Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to be having trouble with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried brown rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are having trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)

> > This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!

> > I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.

> > So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs, haven't weighed youngest in a while)

> >

> > The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add mag to? Or any other ideas?

> >

> > Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

> >

>

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January 12, 2012

Thanks for the input. I have read that which is why we initially lowered our

oxalate intake. But I think I also read it can be a taurine deficiency. Could

that be a possibility here? I don't know too much about this, just remember

seeing it when I was looking into the sandy stools. And I seem to remember it

being related to a B vitamin, too, but that's about it.

Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't

> > know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I

> > am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

> > > > I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has

> > some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The

> > second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there

> > is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try

> > some biomedical interventions.

> > > > My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe

> > you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see

> > if anyone has any ideas.

> > > > Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't

> > figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the

> > offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to

> > be having trouble with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's

> > but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest

> > I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit

> > seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also

> > apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I

> > started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now

> > available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that

> > seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried brown

> > rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are having

> > trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many

> > " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to

> > Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)

> > > > This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh

> > pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet

> > his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way

> > back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had

> > to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!

> > > > I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a

> > difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically

> > a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used

> > Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that

> > although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.

> > > > So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give

> > someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are

> > any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I

> > used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the

> > youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs,

> > haven't weighed youngest in a while)

> > > >

> > > > The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days

> > per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I

> > thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not

> > constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a

> > lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add

> > mag to? Or any other ideas?

> > > >

> > > > Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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>

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>

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> ------

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

January 13, 2012

yes it can also be a bacteria issues as well. clostrida can show this way certain strains. you can lower oxilates with b6 as well, low taurine typically will show with whiter more fatty stools, like crisco looking which would be a low bile issue

From: love3boys

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:35 AM

To: mb12valtrex

Subject: Re: diet question and magnesium

Thanks for the input. I have read that which is why we initially lowered our oxalate intake. But I think I also read it can be a taurine deficiency. Could that be a possibility here? I don't know too much about this, just remember seeing it when I was looking into the sandy stools. And I seem to remember it being related to a B vitamin, too, but that's about it. Thanks!> > > >> > > > I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't> > know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I> > am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.> > > > I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has> > some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The> > second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as there> > is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try> > some biomedical interventions.> > > > My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe> > you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see> > if anyone has any ideas.> > > > Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't> > figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the> > offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem to> > be having trouble with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's> > but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest> > I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit> > seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also> > apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I> > started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now> > available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that> > seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried brown> > rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are having> > trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many> > "natural" grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to> > Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)> > > > This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh> > pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet> > his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way> > back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had> > to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!> > > > I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a> > difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically> > a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used> > Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that> > although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.> > > > So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give> > someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there are> > any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I> > used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the> > youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42 lbs,> > haven't weighed youngest in a while)> > > >> > > > The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days> > per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I> > thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not> > constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a> > lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add> > mag to? Or any other ideas?> > > >> > > > Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------> Click to find info about Vitamins and Minerals:> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543521682565> ----------------------------------------------------------> Click to find links to info about the Low Oxalate Diet :> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543495292565> ------> Toni> > ------> Mind like a steel trap...> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.>

January 13, 2012

Mag lotion: you might want to consider norm shealey's biogenic mag lotion..

essentially mag chloride.. I buy mine from spring valley herbs.

HTH>

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm just starting on this journey and have so many questions I don't

> > > know where to start! First thank you so much to all of you on this list! I

> > > am always amazed at how much info I can find searching the archives!.

> > > > > I have 2 children--the first is a former preemie and is 5 yo. He has

> > > some sensory issues--the most noticeable being frequent stimming. The

> > > second is NT and is 2 1/2. We are not working with a DAN currently as

there

> > > is not one anywhere close (as far as I can find), but I would like to try

> > > some biomedical interventions.

> > > > > My first question isn't necessarily an autism question, but I believe

> > > you folks know SO MUCH about food/diet, etc I thought I would at least see

> > > if anyone has any ideas.

> > > > > Both of my boys seem to have some sort of sensitivity and I can't

> > > figure out what it is exactly. I'm trying to find some link amongst the

> > > offenders that would tell us what exactly the problem is. Both boys seem

to

> > > be having trouble with fruit. Both have always been very regular with bm's

> > > but with frequent trouble with sandy soft/loose stools. With the youngest

> > > I've been able to better narrow down what are definite offenders. Fruit

> > > seems to cause the biggest problem--especially citrus, but also

> > > apples/applesauce and blueberries. Bananas do ok. I realized this when I

> > > started buying more of those lovely pureed fruit packets that are now

> > > available. (could it be the citric acid, etc in these?) Another thing that

> > > seems to offend is brown rice--this one I found out early as we tried

brown

> > > rice baby cereal and it caused a terrible diaper rash. When they are

having

> > > trouble with the sandy stools the bms seem to almost burn their skin. Many

> > > " natural " grain products also cause this problem--like the Kashi Heart to

> > > Heart cereal & many cereal bars, etc. (could be brown rice in these...)

> > > > > This week the youngest had a bit of cran-raspberry punch and fresh

> > > pineapple at the grandparents on christmas eve and when he accidently wet

> > > his pants, it burned his skin on his legs. I've noticed since I cut way

> > > back on giving fruit to him, his fingernails are now growing--I rarely had

> > > to cut them in the past, now it is weekly!

> > > > > I did try reducing oxalates for a bit, but it didn't seem to make a

> > > difference. I will be the first to admit though that it wasn't technically

> > > a low ox diet, just reduced from what it would normally be. I also used

> > > Three-Lac for about a month. I'm thinking about getting more of that

> > > although I can't say it made a difference on the digestive issue.

> > > > > So, I know this is lots of crazy info, but I'm hoping it will give

> > > someone a clue about what is going on here. I'm also wondering if there

are

> > > any enzymes I need to try or something. I hate not giving them fruit! I

> > > used to give 3-5 servings of fruit daily! Please keep in mind that the

> > > youngest is only 2 1/2 and that both are pretty lightweight (5yo is 42

lbs,

> > > haven't weighed youngest in a while)

> > > > >

> > > > > The other question is about magnesium. I do epsom salt baths 3 days

> > > per week with my oldest and would like to give him more magnesium. I

> > > thought about some Natural Calm or something, but since he is not

> > > constipated (and has a tendency towards soft stools), I am thinking a

> > > lotion might be better. Does anyone know a good natural lotion I can add

> > > mag to? Or any other ideas?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank for any info you can give! You guys are incredible!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> >

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

------------

> > Click to find info about Vitamins and Minerals:

> > http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543521682565

> >

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

------------

> > Click to find links to info about the Low Oxalate Diet :

> > http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543495292565

> > ------

> > Toni

> >

> > ------

> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> >

>

January 16, 2012

so do you mean clostridia can cause sandy stools?