Now: adrenarche Was: Horrible reflux symptoms despite baking soda

January 14, 2012

Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor

from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor. It

mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at

this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone.

My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never

expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety then? I

did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that issue, but

it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have trouble

handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1 in 300

rate as my husband is full Italian.

He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back then. I

know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't biggest

issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one of his

worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we really avoid

a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

Thanks for the information!

Cathy

> > >

> > I think my son is going through the same hormonal imbalance as we see signs

of adrenarche in him. His initial workup was negative for adrenal hyperplasia

but he has a follow up coming soon.

> >

>

January 14, 2012

Actually, to clarify, he has the body odor from both armpits (yes, I checked

this morning without making it obvious I was checking, haha) and he has been

growing very rapidly lately. He grew 1 inch from Apr-Oct, but then 3/4 inch

from Oct-Dec, and then 1/2 in just the last 4 weeks. An online calculator shows

his height to be in the 64th percentile, so his height itself is normal and it

could be just a growth spurt, but it seems like a rather rapid growth spurt and

is just a bit concerning that the acceleration seems to be happening in tandem

with the body odor which I only just recently noticed. The odor is not strong

enough to smell from a distance. It was kind of randem that I noticed it

because I was playing/wrestling with him and my nose got close , so i don't

know how long the odor has been there.

Cathy

>

> Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor

from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor. It

mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at

this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone.

My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never

expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

January 14, 2012

I am not an expert of course but we had my son's IGF-1 (growth hormone) drawn a few months ago. Maybe it was Sept.Anyway, they had ranges for babies and then ranges for 6yrs and up. My son is 5 so this stuck in my head as curious.

I guess what I am saying is perhaps age 6 is when we expect some growth spurts to happen? And that it's not necessarily abnormal?FWIW we supp a good amount of zinc here and it has neither improved my son's growth hormone or testosterone levels.

They were both low; of course he is just 5. I was testing them specifically because his growth had slowed down and he can be aggressive.

Actually, to clarify, he has the body odor from both armpits (yes, I checked this morning without making it obvious I was checking, haha) and he has been growing very rapidly lately. He grew 1 inch from Apr-Oct, but then 3/4 inch from Oct-Dec, and then 1/2 in just the last 4 weeks. An online calculator shows his height to be in the 64th percentile, so his height itself is normal and it could be just a growth spurt, but it seems like a rather rapid growth spurt and is just a bit concerning that the acceleration seems to be happening in tandem with the body odor which I only just recently noticed. The odor is not strong enough to smell from a distance. It was kind of randem that I noticed it because I was playing/wrestling with him and my nose got close , so i don't know how long the odor has been there.

Cathy

>

> Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor. It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

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Cathy and Toni,

In my son's case the testosterone was elevated which made me dig into the supp

list. Another parent on mercury yahoo group suggested zinc and when I looked up,

I was shocked. It could be a coincidence so now I recommend all kids who r on

high dose zinc should get their zinc and copper levels monitored. Ideally the

zinc/copper ratio should be greater or equal to 0.8. My son's was 1.2. He was

getting too much zinc. I discussed with my dan and he agreed. Each child is

different. Stan Kurtz recommends 50 mg of zinc and that's where I got the idea

of using 50 mg. The best approach is to follow zinc/copper ratio(not just the

zinc level). I have late onset CAH which does'nt cause problems till I am

stressed out. I agree with Toni that your son could be going thru growth spurt.

I am also dealing with increased anxiety and tantrums currently but it is hard

to tell if it is related to testosterone. I will check his levels in february

and let u guys know what I learn. I don't want to create any confusion about

zinc, just want all parents to be cautious as excessive zinc can cause problems

too, even copper deficiency symptoms.

is

> > >

> > > Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body

> > odor from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy "

> > odor. It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other

> > changes at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc

> > and testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his

> > doctor had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take

> > l-carnitine.

> >

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Hi,Can u tell me the dosage of zinc and how many mg each dose u use for this plsThxSandiSent from my iPad I am not an expert of course but we had my son's IGF-1 (growth hormone) drawn a few months ago. Maybe it was Sept.Anyway, they had ranges for babies and then ranges for 6yrs and up. My son is 5 so this stuck in my head as curious.I guess what I am saying is perhaps age 6 is when we expect some growth spurts to happen? And that it's not necessarily abnormal?FWIW we supp a good amount of zinc here and it has neither improved my son's growth hormone or testosterone levels.They were both low; of course he is just 5. I was testing them specifically because his growth had slowed down and he can be aggressive. Actually, to clarify, he has the body odor from both armpits (yes, I checked this morning without making it obvious I was checking, haha) and he has been growing very rapidly lately. He grew 1 inch from Apr-Oct, but then 3/4 inch from Oct-Dec, and then 1/2 in just the last 4 weeks. An online calculator shows his height to be in the 64th percentile, so his height itself is normal and it could be just a growth spurt, but it seems like a rather rapid growth spurt and is just a bit concerning that the acceleration seems to be happening in tandem with the body odor which I only just recently noticed. The odor is not strong enough to smell from a distance. It was kind of randem that I noticed it because I was playing/wrestling with him and my nose got close , so i don't know how long the odor has been there.Cathy>> Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor from one armpit that definitely is a "man" odor as opposed to a "boy" odor. It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Click to find info about Vitamins and Minerals:http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543521682565--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Click to find links to info about the Low Oxalate Diet :http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543495292565------Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

January 14, 2012

Cathy,

I think my previous post did not answer your question regarding CAH. I have late

onset CAH in which the main problems are due to increased production of

androgens and a relatively low supply of cortisol during the times of big

stresses. Mainstream really does'nt recommend any treatment for it except for

managing issues like excessive hair growth in women. Late onset does'nt manifest

itself till like late teens. In boys it could manifest as acne and other signs

of increased androgens. Your son is still only 6. His body odour could be

related to detox. I noticed that my son smells the worse during die-off. If I

give him activated charcoal, the smell kinda disappears. My dan said my son's

body odour is probably related to the gut pathogens producing toxins which

activated charcoal absorbs. I know what you mean by the " man " odour. My son had

the same when his testosterone level was elevated. He was starting to build some

muscles also. I know it is difficult to put a child thru the misery of blood

work but whenever he is due for the next blood work, check his serum zinc,

copper, testosterone and androstanedione( will be elevated in cah). Infact my

son had a few other hormones checked also which I can't recall but will give u a

list. Hope this helps.

is

> > > >

> > > I think my son is going through the same hormonal imbalance as we see

signs of adrenarche in him. His initial workup was negative for adrenal

hyperplasia but he has a follow up coming soon.

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2012

Oh yeah... in regard to severe anxiety.... my daughter had several dentist appts and they were not horrible (the dentist) but she was terrified. " Retail therapy " helped here, but what I did was went and bought several things FIRST that I knew she would like.

Then I set them out and showed her that they were tiers of rewards. " Ok " behavior earned small one toy (purse actually), " good " earned two and " perfect " earned all the prizes. I then explained to her that everyone was anxious/nervous to go to the dentist but we don't all scream about it. I gave her scenarios of expected behaviors for the dentist and not good behaviors. I had tried bribery and social stories before but the combination of these things seemed to work. By the way, without even telling my dentist, she exclaimed that my daughter was perfect... so Gabi knew she earned her prizes. It was a great appt. This is after about 4 or 5 SCREAMING appt where the dentist(s) refused to work on her (last dentist was bio dentist and I BEGGED her to see us again, and I was literally crying - my own tantrum I swear - and she did see us again...) and Gabi did great... so anyway, just wanted to let you know that sometimes you have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get the magic to happen ;-)

Cathy,

I think my previous post did not answer your question regarding CAH. I have late onset CAH in which the main problems are due to increased production of androgens and a relatively low supply of cortisol during the times of big stresses. Mainstream really does'nt recommend any treatment for it except for managing issues like excessive hair growth in women. Late onset does'nt manifest itself till like late teens. In boys it could manifest as acne and other signs of increased androgens. Your son is still only 6. His body odour could be related to detox. I noticed that my son smells the worse during die-off. If I give him activated charcoal, the smell kinda disappears. My dan said my son's body odour is probably related to the gut pathogens producing toxins which activated charcoal absorbs. I know what you mean by the " man " odour. My son had the same when his testosterone level was elevated. He was starting to build some muscles also. I know it is difficult to put a child thru the misery of blood work but whenever he is due for the next blood work, check his serum zinc, copper, testosterone and androstanedione( will be elevated in cah). Infact my son had a few other hormones checked also which I can't recall but will give u a list. Hope this helps.

is

> > > >

> > > I think my son is going through the same hormonal imbalance as we see signs of adrenarche in him. His initial workup was negative for adrenal hyperplasia but he has a follow up coming soon.

> > >

> >

>

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January 14, 2012

Awesome! lol To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Now: adrenarche Was: Horrible reflux symptoms despite baking soda

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Hi guys, Glad you are discussing the zinc/copper and testosterone issues. We are also dealing with this with my kids and I am trying to figure out what to do for both of them. I have seen/heard differing views on zinc levels/supplementation and have personally seen the

positives and I believe negatives of high supplementation. Both of our DANs are ok (Iâ€™ve reconfirmed with them) that my son who is about 43lbs now was on 90mg of zinc (15 in multi and the rest picolinate) short term. And actually, I noticed immediately that his gut and yeasty behavior improved at that level. He also grew a lot (others were commenting on this) and gained weight (finally) over the month or two when we had it up at 90. However, he started playing a lot with himself so I started to worry. I then looked back at our records and his testosterone was high 7 (range

<5) and this was before we increased his zinc to 90â€¦.in the meantime, our dr. said to bring it back down to 60 as his red blood cell zinc was back in range in Dec. (I didnâ€™t get to discuss the testosterone issue with her at that time)â€¦.so we have been trying to bring it back down and he is now at 60 these last couple of days but I can tell he seems to have more yeasty behavior and his stool turned yellowish immediately (a sign of yeast but also fat mal-absorption too I believe). The same thing is happening with my daughter who is about 32lbs and was on 60mg and brought down to 45 â€“ more yeasty behavior (not sleeping well) and yellowish poop. She also seemed to grow a lot while on the 60mg and I am actually more worried about her now and the testosterone. One thing to have a boy with too much testosterone but a girlâ€¦.ughhhâ€¦.anyway, the thing that confuses

me is the differing opinions etcâ€¦.I often hear weight plus 20mg for zinc supplementation and it seems like from my experience with the DANs that high supplementation is the norm. I believe Yasko doesnâ€™t recommend going over 40mg. Also, is, I noticed you mentioned the serum zinc. One of our DANs recommends the RBC zinc to get a better idea of the zinc/copper levels getting into the cells. She runs both zinc/copper RBC and serum levels. My kids (esp. my daughter) had very low zinc levels with the RBC and vey high with the serum (they have higher copper

too). Any thoughts on that??......I am wondering if the high serum could mean the supplementation is affecting the hormones???....anyway, after finding the below from Dr. Kurt Woellerâ€™s blog, I am feeling better about bringing the zinc down despite itâ€™s positive effect on yeast. I am looking now at other digestive enzymes that have been indicated by previous tests (lipase and pancreatic) to see if this helps. In fact, I think the lipase that we just started may have helped both of their stools colors (back to a more brownish color)â€¦..i will be trying to find more answers this next week too and plan to get my daughterâ€™s hormones tested at the next check. is, you mentioned earlier testosterone and androstanedione. If you think of any others I should run for a

girl, please let me know. Also, do you know if the zinc could cause permanent hormone damage, ie. Will my little girl grow up to be SheWoman now??...Thanks!! MONDAY, JUNE 29, 2009Optimizing Zinc Supplementation Zinc is an essential mineral that is required by many enzymes in the body. Some functions of zinc are as follows - helps release insulin from the pancreas, necessary

for proper hydrochloric (HCL) acid production in the stomach, helps with bicarbonate production to maintain normal intestinal pH, assists various enzymes in the methylation cycle and more. There are a variety of different forms of zinc supplementation â€“ aspartate, alpha-ketoglutarate, amino acid chelates, as well as picolinate, citrate and gluconate. The absorption and metabolic utilization of zinc is controlled by many factors such as digestive enzyme function, competing minerals (such as copper), metallothionein levels (chemical in the body which controls the levels of zinc and copper inside the cells), and the presence of heavy metals. In many cases when the zinc levels do not normalize the answer is not always to give more zinc. Because digestive function, the health of sulfur levels in the body, and the proper ratio of zinc to copper all control zinc utilization and metabolism correcting zinc can take time â€“ even many, many months. Usually,

zinc that remains abnormally low means more time is need to work on diet and improving gastrointestinal health. These are some general rules for giving zinc. Because zinc supplementation can be an ongoing process to get levels up to normal values, here are some strategies that can be implemented: Give individual zinc supplements (not zinc included in a multi-mineral) between meals twice daily or at bedtime. In some individuals zinc can cause some nausea so taking with a small amount of food can prevent this. Avoid giving zinc at the same time as phosphatidylcholine or phosphatidylserine supplements. Also, do not take supplements with calcium, iron or folate products (folic acid, folinic acid, etc). Periodically, a child will have a negative reaction to zinc which can manifest as agitation,

irritability, sleeping problems, etc. This is uncommon, but can happen. In most cases the reaction is not from the zinc itself, but something in the zinc supplement. Worsening of behavior could be related to low copper levels as zinc and copper oppose one another. Giving additional zinc could lower copper even more. This phenomenon is usually rare as most individuals with autism have high normal or elevated copper levels. If needed, trying a different type of zinc supplement will help sometimes in resolving adverse reactions. From:

alexis_d3378 To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Now: adrenarche Was: Horrible reflux symptoms despite baking soda

Cathy,

I think my previous post did not answer your question regarding CAH. I have late onset CAH in which the main problems are due to increased production of androgens and a relatively low supply of cortisol during the times of big stresses. Mainstream really does'nt recommend any treatment for it except for managing issues like excessive hair growth in women. Late onset does'nt manifest itself till like late teens. In boys it could manifest as acne and other signs of increased androgens. Your son is still only 6. His body odour could be related to detox. I noticed that my son smells the worse during die-off. If I give him activated charcoal, the smell kinda disappears. My dan said my son's body odour is probably related to the gut pathogens producing toxins which activated charcoal absorbs. I know what you mean by the "man" odour. My son had the same when his testosterone level was elevated. He was starting to build some muscles also. I know it is difficult

to put a child thru the misery of blood work but whenever he is due for the next blood work, check his serum zinc, copper, testosterone and androstanedione( will be elevated in cah). Infact my son had a few other hormones checked also which I can't recall but will give u a list. Hope this helps.

is

>

> Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor from one armpit that definitely is a "man" odor as opposed to a "boy" odor. It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

>

> Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety then? I did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that issue, but it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have trouble handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1 in 300 rate as my husband is full Italian.

>

> He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back then. I know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't biggest issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one of his worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we really avoid a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

>

> Thanks for the information!

> Cathy

>

> ---

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2012

,

If excess zinc causes elevated testosterone levels, it is likely reversible.

When I stopped the zinc for a couple weeks, my son's testosterone level came

back within range. He still has body odour but he is not growing as fast(which

actually felt great as his height was above 90th percentile). The problem is

that if testosterone is elevated too long, it can result in premature bone

maturation. My son's bone age was more than his real age.

My son is 8 years old, weighs 70 lbs. His dan recommended 20 mg daily and this

is the same dose that his developmental specialist had also recommended. My son

actually had more issues with his immune system when he was at 50 mg daily.

Currently he is on 25 mg daily. His zinc/copper ratio is 0.8. I monitor it every

3-4 months.

Parents on the autism mercury group are knowledgeable about minerals as they are

all chelating and deal with issues all the time. I found a health fitness

website where there is a compilation of almost everything we need to know about

zinc and it seemed pretty good to me. Here is the link:

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html

I hope it helps.

is

> >

> > Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor

from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor. It

mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at

this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone.

My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never

expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

> >

> > Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety

then? I did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that

issue, but it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have

trouble handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1

in 300 rate as my husband is full Italian.

> >

> > He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back then.

I know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't biggest

issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one of his

worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we really avoid

a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

> >

> > Thanks for the information!

> > Cathy

> >

> > ---Â

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2012

Thanks is! Did you test the RBC too? To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Now: adrenarche Was: Horrible reflux symptoms despite baking soda

,

If excess zinc causes elevated testosterone levels, it is likely reversible. When I stopped the zinc for a couple weeks, my son's testosterone level came back within range. He still has body odour but he is not growing as fast(which actually felt great as his height was above 90th percentile). The problem is that if testosterone is elevated too long, it can result in premature bone maturation. My son's bone age was more than his real age.

My son is 8 years old, weighs 70 lbs. His dan recommended 20 mg daily and this is the same dose that his developmental specialist had also recommended. My son actually had more issues with his immune system when he was at 50 mg daily. Currently he is on 25 mg daily. His zinc/copper ratio is 0.8. I monitor it every 3-4 months.

Parents on the autism mercury group are knowledgeable about minerals as they are all chelating and deal with issues all the time. I found a health fitness website where there is a compilation of almost everything we need to know about zinc and it seemed pretty good to me. Here is the link:

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html

I hope it helps.

is

> >

> > Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body odor from one armpit that definitely is a "man" odor as opposed to a "boy" odor. It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

> >

> > Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety then? I did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that issue, but it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have trouble handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1 in 300 rate as my husband is full Italian.

> >

> > He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back then. I know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't biggest issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one of his worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we really avoid a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

> >

> > Thanks for the information!

> > Cathy

> >

> > ---Ã‚

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2012

No, I never did but I have read about it somewhere probably in Mccandles book.

It seems like a good idea. I'll talk to my dan about it.

is

> > >

> > > Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body

odor from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor.

It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes

at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and

testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor

had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

> > >

> > > Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety

then? I did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that

issue, but it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have

trouble handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1

in 300 rate as my husband is full Italian.

> > >

> > > He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back

then. I know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't

biggest issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one

of his worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we

really avoid a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the information!

> > > Cathy

> > >

> > > ---Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2012

No, I never did but I have read about it somewhere probably in Mccandles book.

It seems like a good idea. I'll talk to my dan about it.

is

> > >

> > > Thanks, is. I just recently noticed that my 6 yo is producing body

odor from one armpit that definitely is a " man " odor as opposed to a " boy " odor.

It mildly freaked me out. I have not noticed hair growth or any other changes

at this point. Especially concerning was your comment about zinc and

testosterone. My son has supplemented high zinc for a long time and his doctor

had never expressed any concern about it. My son does not take l-carnitine.

> > >

> > > Is a person with congenital hyperplasia more prone to stress or anxiety

then? I did some reading up on it and couldn't find anything regarding that

issue, but it seems if you have trouble producing cortisol that you would have

trouble handling stress, no? I was very concerned to see that Italians have a 1

in 300 rate as my husband is full Italian.

> > >

> > > He had his testosterone checked a long time ago and it was normal back

then. I know I should probably check it now with a blood test. BUT...my son't

biggest issue at this phase in his recovery is anxiety and blood draws are one

of his worst fears.The level of freak out he reaches is so extreme that we

really avoid a blood draw until we absolutely HAVE to do it.

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January 15, 2012

Awesome link, is. I can't tell you the number of times I've found great information on Muscle and fitness websites.I guess some of these guys are not all brawn : ) -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Now: adrenarche Was: Horrible reflux symptoms despite baking soda

Parents on the autism mercury group are knowledgeable about minerals as they are all chelating and deal with issues all the time. I found a health fitness website where there is a compilation of almost everything we need to know about zinc and it seemed pretty good to me. Here is the link:

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html

I hope it helps.

is

January 15, 2012

Thanks, is. Yes, this is helpful. I am not overly concerned at the moment

because I don't feel his growth spurt is too unusual at this point and the

underarm odor is the only truly unusual symptom. So I am okay with a little bit

of a wait-and-see approach and will be watching for any additional signs.

Either way I will mention the underarm odor the next time we have an appointment

with his doctor and will ask about testing when he needs a blood draw again.

Thanks for all the information. I think it is a good thing to have on my radar

at this point, especially the information regarding zinc.

Cathy

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> Cathy,

> I think my previous post did not answer your question regarding CAH. I have

late onset CAH in which the main problems are due to increased production of