RE: Two interesting articles today...

[Guest guest]

> The DHA article is the main one that I thought was interesting, but

the high

> protein diet story was right next to it so I copied it too. I'm a

bit

> stunned by what they must consider " high protein " though. At one

point in

> the story, someone is quoted as saying that they wouldn't recommend

more

> than 2 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight per day. That's

600

> calories of protein per day for me, and my daily caloric intake

probably

> doesn't usually exceed about 1800 or so calories. I'd personally

be leary

> of going much over that amount anyway...unless I was doing an

incredible

> amount of weight bearing or high impact activity...

That's about right. The research on protein needs for athletes has

found that endurance athletes need 1.4 - 1.6 g/kg and strength

athletes need 1.6 - 1.8 g/kg. And as us WAP-ers know, humans don't

eat their protein lean, but with ample fat. It works out to about 20%

or so of your daily calories from protein. Any more than that is

probably unhealthy. It only seems low because we always hear about 40-

30-30 all the time. But Sears targeted that ratio to dieters. Once

you hit your desired weight you were supposed to eat more MUFA's to

maintain.

[Guest guest]

>>>The DHA article is the main one that I thought was interesting, but the

high

protein diet story was right next to it so I copied it too. I'm a bit

stunned by what they must consider " high protein " though. At one point in

the story, someone is quoted as saying that they wouldn't recommend more

than 2 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight per day. That's 600

calories of protein per day for me, and my daily caloric intake probably

doesn't usually exceed about 1800 or so calories. I'd personally be leary

of going much over that amount anyway...unless I was doing an incredible

amount of weight bearing or high impact activity...

DHA & Insulin sensitivity

****Hmmm...I wonder about the researchers' assumptions that overweight

greenland eskimos *should have* diabetes and heart disease but probably

don't due to the whale blubber they eat. What about what they *don't* eat

such as refined sugars and carbs? Maybe they DO eat these, but the article

doesn't mention the rest of their diet, other than whale blubber. I'd want

to see the whole diet before drawing any conclusions, and would particularly

be interested to see if they do eat refined carbs in large quantities as

americans do.

Interesting about the study in which insulin resistant test subjects had

improved insulin sensitivity with the DHA though. I'm beginning to think

that fish oil is a cure-all as more and more studies find that it

benefits just about every disease and condition under the sun. But I have a

nagging feeling that something just isn't right about all this. All that

refined PUFA...I wonder if americans in general just have such an imbalanced

EFA ratio, that many of their ills are related to this imbalance, and by

rebalancing the ratio...voila! Improvement! all better! It just seems to me

that highly refined isolated fractionates (fish oil) have their dark side

(oxidized or easily oxidizable PUFA) that we need to be wary of.

>>>Hi-pro

OK, this article reminds me of a debate that's commonplace on dog health

lists and that's *quality* of the protein source vs. *quantity.* A number of

dogs with kidney problems seem to do very well on *raw* high quality meats

as opposed to low quality, cooked and highly processed meats. I tend to

think *quality* of meat is far more relevant than quantity, as this article

suggests. The researchers, in their statements, don't differentiate between

*types* and *quality* of protein sources...which makes their conclusions

questionable to me. I have a feeling that 600 grams of raw egg yolk, for

example, may be a lot easier on the kidneys than 600 grams of fried oscar

meyer weiners...

Suze Fisher

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[Guest guest]

> I have a feeling that 600 grams of raw egg yolk, for

> example, may be a lot easier on the kidneys than 600 grams of fried oscar

> meyer weiners...

I disagree. I think the Mayer weiners would be easier on the kidneys

because there's virtually no possibility of actually keeping that much crud

in your stomach long enough for it to digest and get to your kidneys. So,

egg yolks would probably be harder on the kidneys, but Mayer would be

harder on the teeth and esophagus. ;-)

[Guest guest]

>From: " justinbond " <justin_bond@...>

>That's about right. The research on protein needs for athletes has

>found that endurance athletes need 1.4 - 1.6 g/kg and strength

>athletes need 1.6 - 1.8 g/kg. And as us WAP-ers know, humans don't

>eat their protein lean, but with ample fat. It works out to about 20%

>or so of your daily calories from protein. Any more than that is

>probably unhealthy.

This reminds me of something I encountered back when I was eating about 24

oz. of meat per day. Whenever I consume more than about 150g of protein per

day (I weigh about 80kg) for more than a week or so, I get an unpleasant

burning sensation and feeling of pressure, both at the base of my throat. It

almost feels as though my stomach is entirely full (though my stomach

doesn't actually feel full and I can eat more) and the food is just resting

in my esophagus. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Does anyone know

what it might be?

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