Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Maybe I should also share that I'd asked my DH what happens when the batter hits a ball right at the pitcher's nose. He told me that I was making too much of the baseball metaphor. When talked over the conversation later with a friend of mine, who is like a sister to me, she informed me drily, that nada seems to be the pitcher and she is throwing spitballs. Which, by the way, hubby says are illegal in baseball. So hmm. Maybe I need to remember I am the ump, and to step back and realize that the game really doesn't have a thing to do with me. I guess the feeling of loneliness and meaningless that evokes, is what I have been avoiding by even trying to have a relationship with the Wicked Witch of the West. Or, maybe the analogy is not that she is throwing spitballs… no, let me see: she's trying to whack me with the same broom she used in childhood! I already met her across that broom when I was 16. Maybe it is time for me to remember THAT. And simply identify the FOUL and give her three tries to: Stop It. Now. Or I am leaving this field so you can play by yourself. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I think you have made an awesome amount of progress in your awareness of your whole nada situation/relationship/dynamic over the last couple of years. You used to take what she said to you so deeply into yourself, and now you have been able to step back and be so much more objective and detached from her opinion of you and treatment of you. I find that so remarkable and even amazing because your nada is so blatantly and openly hostile to you, as though she hates every fiber of your being. I myself was not able to handle my nada's more subtle, passive-aggressive hostility; I think that if my nada had ever spoken to me the way yours speaks to you, I would have either had a big fat explosive aneurism (from blood pressure spiking) or gone completely No Contact a long, long time ago. So I am in awe of your courage and stamina, and both in awe of and puzzled by your desire to even remain in contact with someone who seems (to me, anyway) to sincerely want to rip your guts out with her teeth each time she talks to you. If I may ask, are you continuing to remain in contact so that you will be able to say to yourself that you never gave up trying to have a good relationship with your nada, as perhaps a kind of guilt-preventative when she passes away? Or, perhaps, is this a way for you to incrementally gain the ability to achieve total emotional detachment from your nada? I'm asking because in a way you remind me of my Sister, who for her own reasons decided to remain in contact with our nada despite our nada's rather frequent verbal/emotional mistreatment of Sister, both before and after nada's additional diagnosis of Alzheimer's. My Sister somehow managed to achieve virtually total emotional detachment, though: she no longer thinks of our nada as her " Mother " . Sister told me that in her mind our mother died, and now this person is just one of her clients: a pathetic, hateful, frightened old woman that Sister is responsible for making sure her physical needs (shelter, medical care, legal needs) are attended to properly, and very little else. I admire my Sister; she is doing something she finds personally extremely distasteful (and yes, the verbal abuse still hurts her, I know) but yet she is providing supervision RE our nada's care ANYWAY. In my opinion, my Sister is pretty darn close to being a living Saint. So if that is too personal a question, please do not feel like you have to answer, and my apologies. -Annie > > This past weekend, I returned a phone call from nada, because I did not want her continuing to try to reach me when I was not home. > > Prior to the call, I had talked with my husband about wanting to use the DEAR approach to communicating with nada. I was thinking aloud about the fact that nada is always lighting into me with " you " messages. Like a machine-gun, rapid-fire. I no longer feel like I am supposed to " take " it, defend it, laugh or slough it off. It is just plain not acceptable, as most of the things nada says about me are patently untrue. They usually just push old buttons. She may not be as conscious of it as me, but these kind of remarks seem to unzip whatever self-esteem I have. > > As DH and I talked about baseball, he communicated strategy with me. One, two, three you are out. He reminded me about fouls, and we discussed what a foul might be in a conversation with nada. Thinking about it, made me feel like I was ready to call nada and get to work on the approach! So I did. > > As soon as I got ahold of nada, she was snarky. I was in a neutral tone asking her how she was. " Oh, you're playing nice today! " Right then I wanted to hang up, but that was not part of my new strategy. Assertively I said. " I am starting with a clean slate, and a good attitude. You want to take it to a different place? " She changed her tone for all of thirty seconds, then fast and hard came the " you " messages. " You are getting in the way of my business with Uncle W's estate. You are …. " and I immediately switched to speaker phone…. because I simply cannot stand her voice in my head. I need the phone propped on my chopping board in my kitchen. > > > When I finally get her back, my son has come in the kitchen, and is motioning to me to tell her he is not home. > The " you " messages are still happening, and they are all false. So I step in and say, " We are playing baseball now, Mom. > You just said X. And you said, Y, that is strike one and strike two. " > > It is quiet on the other end. " Baseball, mom, you know how it is played? You just said two things about me that are not true. Three strikes and you are out. " > > " Oh, you need to tell me when I am wrong, " she says. > > " I just did. There are foul balls too, mom. " Of course, I should not use a foul to give her a second chance. That is not how baseball is played. Next time I'll get it right. Only what would a foul ball really mean in nada baseball? > > I know I am going to give her a second chance, this time, because the game is so new to her. > > But she insists on using another " You " statement to attack/denigrate/belittle me. So I say, " That looks like a strike to me, mom, but can give you another chance mom, to be kind if you want. " > > " Are you kidding, you little biddy? & ^ & *JJJHUGOFIIGFOGGRGF " she says. I cut her off, " So, mom, do I understand you don't want me to give you the benefit of the doubt? " > > I don't wait for an answer, " Well then, good bye! " I say. > > This is likely nada success. > > Oh well, I really did want to talk to anyone that was looking for the bad in me, anyways. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I sound like I have a sense of humor, but I really am sad. I am having success with ME, but nada does not want to be a part of it. The little girl inside me is who I think I am honoring. My mom's story is an important one. I feel blessed to be alive and to have been part of extended family. My standards for family are high. Idealistic. And my actual abilities are so limited, that I think that my stubborn nature is what is keeping me hooked. To be fair to myself, there is a spiritual part to this. I've wanted to be able to look my Maker in the eye and know that I tried everything I could. Now, my new spiritual goal is to treat myself with great respect and compassion. And there is that little girl inside of me that knows that nada would have done everything to rescue me from a burning building, and so I feel the desire to do the same. The Parent part of me is also reasoning with my little girl, helping her to grow up, and being very patient too. NOT telling me that I HAVE to write nada off… but letting me learn everything I need from this experience. Maybe that makes sense? Maybe my understanding will change again. Thanks all for witnessing, and sharing your own experiences with me. Together we are strong. best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Well, all I can say is that I am impressed both with my Sister's determination to remain in contact with our nada, and your determination to remain in contact with yours. I admire your selflessness; its pretty awesome. I think there is a spiritual aspect to my Sister's motivation, also. And yet, while I wish that I had a similar degree of fortitude, determination and selflessness, when I've examined my feelings in the quiet hours of the night, I am relieved to find that I really do not feel guilty any more. I used to, but, over the years I've come think that in the after-life (if there is one; I'm not so sure about that either any longer) I won't be held accountable for having chosen my own mental and physical survival over my mother's feelings. I've reached the point regarding my nada's feelings, that Rhett did at the end of " Gone With The Wind " , when he said to Scarlett, " ly, my dear, I don't give a damn. " Meaning, my nada's feelings are her own to manage and possess and live with; its not my job to make her happy, nor is it my job to put up with her abuse. I will help contribute financially to taking care of my nada's physical/medical/care needs when it comes to that point, but, I just do not give a damn about her feelings any longer. I have to admit that I do feel some pity for her, as I feel pity for anyone whose brain is dissolving from dementia (its a pretty horrible way to go) but I can feel pity without also feeling responsible for making my nada pleased with me any longer. So, am I understanding correctly that your nada was not always like she is now? In your childhood or earlier stages of life, was your nada kind and nurturing and would have braved a burning building to rescue you? I'm wanting to understand more about your determination to remain in contact. -Annie > > I sound like I have a sense of humor, but I really am sad. > > I am having success with ME, but nada does not want to be a part of it. The little girl inside me is who I think I am honoring. > > My mom's story is an important one. I feel blessed to be alive and to have been part of extended family. My standards for family are high. Idealistic. And my actual abilities are so limited, that I think that my stubborn nature is what is keeping me hooked. > > To be fair to myself, there is a spiritual part to this. I've wanted to be able to look my Maker in the eye and know that I tried everything I could. Now, my new spiritual goal is to treat myself with great respect and compassion. And there is that little girl inside of me that knows that nada would have done everything to rescue me from a burning building, and so I feel the desire to do the same. The Parent part of me is also reasoning with my little girl, helping her to grow up, and being very patient too. NOT telling me that I HAVE to write nada off… but letting me learn everything I need from this experience. > > Maybe that makes sense? Maybe my understanding will change again. Thanks all for witnessing, and sharing your own experiences with me. > > Together we are strong. > > best, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hey, any way you can fulfill the need to communicate with your nada and maintain your boundaries is a win. Using analogy in this way is brilliant--the intellectual challenges help you maintain a buffer between your emotional responses. And even a mean spirited nada can understand baseball analogy, so she can hardly accuse you of playing a game on her that she can't understand. This is just another of your posts that suggest to me your brain power probably scares the crap out of your nada, . Kudos! > > This past weekend, I returned a phone call from nada, because I did not want her continuing to try to reach me when I was not home. > > Prior to the call, I had talked with my husband about wanting to use the DEAR approach to communicating with nada. I was thinking aloud about the fact that nada is always lighting into me with " you " messages. Like a machine-gun, rapid-fire. I no longer feel like I am supposed to " take " it, defend it, laugh or slough it off. It is just plain not acceptable, as most of the things nada says about me are patently untrue. They usually just push old buttons. She may not be as conscious of it as me, but these kind of remarks seem to unzip whatever self-esteem I have. > > As DH and I talked about baseball, he communicated strategy with me. One, two, three you are out. He reminded me about fouls, and we discussed what a foul might be in a conversation with nada. Thinking about it, made me feel like I was ready to call nada and get to work on the approach! So I did. > > As soon as I got ahold of nada, she was snarky. I was in a neutral tone asking her how she was. " Oh, you're playing nice today! " Right then I wanted to hang up, but that was not part of my new strategy. Assertively I said. " I am starting with a clean slate, and a good attitude. You want to take it to a different place? " She changed her tone for all of thirty seconds, then fast and hard came the " you " messages. " You are getting in the way of my business with Uncle W's estate. You are …. " and I immediately switched to speaker phone…. because I simply cannot stand her voice in my head. I need the phone propped on my chopping board in my kitchen. > > > When I finally get her back, my son has come in the kitchen, and is motioning to me to tell her he is not home. > The " you " messages are still happening, and they are all false. So I step in and say, " We are playing baseball now, Mom. > You just said X. And you said, Y, that is strike one and strike two. " > > It is quiet on the other end. " Baseball, mom, you know how it is played? You just said two things about me that are not true. Three strikes and you are out. " > > " Oh, you need to tell me when I am wrong, " she says. > > " I just did. There are foul balls too, mom. " Of course, I should not use a foul to give her a second chance. That is not how baseball is played. Next time I'll get it right. Only what would a foul ball really mean in nada baseball? > > I know I am going to give her a second chance, this time, because the game is so new to her. > > But she insists on using another " You " statement to attack/denigrate/belittle me. So I say, " That looks like a strike to me, mom, but can give you another chance mom, to be kind if you want. " > > " Are you kidding, you little biddy? & ^ & *JJJHUGOFIIGFOGGRGF " she says. I cut her off, " So, mom, do I understand you don't want me to give you the benefit of the doubt? " > > I don't wait for an answer, " Well then, good bye! " I say. > > This is likely nada success. > > Oh well, I really did want to talk to anyone that was looking for the bad in me, anyways. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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