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Hi Friends,

I'm having a hard winter.

I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a job

interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the outside.

My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are due

beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income to

pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I have

to give.

My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on my

relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep yourself

alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often. What

I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama and

without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under the

pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

want.

Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to. I

am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit - it

hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional demands

on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

going to happen. That just isn't me.

Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he might

lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas presents

he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the GRE. I

even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I need

the time to work on my applications.

Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one with

BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

behind her. "

Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was the

end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I worked

for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and then

prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to write

the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

Anyway, I totally lost it.

Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That I

need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow up

again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and like

I am satan incarnate.

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((hugs)) I wish I had advice for you, GS, but mostly just wanted to let you

know that you're awesome.

Back in marriage prep for my marriage, this was said in jest a couple of

times (the prep spanned months...yay for Catholic marriage prep

requirements?) but I think it's pretty true.

Men expect women to stay the same, and are surprised when they change.

Often. We women tend to try new things--new haircuts, new purses, new

activities. Not saying all women are like that, but a fair number are.

Women expect men to change, and are surprised when they don't change. They

find something they like, or a pattern of life that works, and they tend to

stick with it. If they do change, it's a slooow process or happens when

something big happens, like moving to a new town or something.

It sounds like you've been changing, working on bettering yourself, finding

a path in life that works for you, but your guy acts like he prefers his

way of life--it's worked well enough so far for him.

Your relationship with him worked well so far, but now that you're

embarking on a pretty big change yourself, he seems a bit afraid of that

and is clinging to you...to your old you. I think your T is right to try to

talk about your relationship with your guy, though I don't blame you for

dodging those conversations!

Why does your T think your guy needs to be coaxed and is in need of more

patience? He sounds super depressed...is he on meds? He definitely sounds

like he's ill...mentally ill, like a long-running flu or something. If he's

making an effort to take care of himself, and just needs a little support,

then I suppose you could schedule in some couple time. But if he's not

making an effort, then you may need to reevaluate what you need in a

relationship, and see if your current relationship fits your needs. If not,

then it's up to you both to decide if and how you want to work the kinks

out.

Good luck on your interview, grad school applications, and the GRE!

(hugs) again

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Girlscout Cowboy <

girlscout.cowboy@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Friends,

>

> I'm having a hard winter.

>

> I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a job

> interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the outside.

>

> My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are due

> beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income to

> pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I have

> to give.

>

> My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on my

> relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep yourself

> alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often. What

> I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama and

> without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under the

> pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> want.

>

> Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to. I

> am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit - it

> hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

>

> So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional demands

> on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> going to happen. That just isn't me.

>

> Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he might

> lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas presents

> he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the GRE. I

> even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I need

> the time to work on my applications.

>

> Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one with

> BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> behind her. "

>

> Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was the

> end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I worked

> for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and then

> prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to write

> the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

>

> Anyway, I totally lost it.

>

> Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That I

> need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow up

> again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and like

> I am satan incarnate.

>

>

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I feel for your frustration, but don't have any good insights to offer you.

Your long-time therapist knows you best and has been a good guide for you in the

past, so, I guess I'd suggest that you keep trying to follow her advice for the

time being. If after really applying her approach, sincerely, for a few

months and it just doesn't work for you, then think about trying something

different.

Best of luck to you; career transitions are a stressful time. Stress can make a

person short-tempered and nada-like. And it may help to not be so busy and

distracted that it makes you easily upset; get some relaxation time in there too

to reduce the stress levels. Maybe think about delaying your graduate school

plans until next year when your job/income situation stabilizes. Just a

possibility to consider. Graduate school will still be there later, right?

-Annie

>

> Hi Friends,

>

> I'm having a hard winter.

>

> I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a job

> interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the outside.

>

> My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are due

> beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income to

> pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I have

> to give.

>

> My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on my

> relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep yourself

> alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often. What

> I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama and

> without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under the

> pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> want.

>

> Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to. I

> am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit - it

> hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

>

> So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional demands

> on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> going to happen. That just isn't me.

>

> Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he might

> lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas presents

> he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the GRE. I

> even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I need

> the time to work on my applications.

>

> Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one with

> BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> behind her. "

>

> Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was the

> end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I worked

> for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and then

> prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to write

> the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

>

> Anyway, I totally lost it.

>

> Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That I

> need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow up

> again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and like

> I am satan incarnate.

>

>

>

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So you're under a lot of stress and he's acting depressed but

not admiting that he has a problem. Unfortunately, that's not

uncommon with people who are seriously depressed and you can't

help someone who doesn't want help. If what he's doing is

pursuing his passion, it might be that he is obsessed rather

than depressed, or maybe it is just his way of blocking out

everything he doesn't want to deal with. Whatever the

explanation, spending days just drawing on an iPad in the dark

doesn't sound normal or mentally healthy to me, at least not

when it is causing problems.

Having opposite methods of handling stress can work out really

well if you can divide things up in a way that allows both of

you to work on the parts of the problem that suit your own

methods. That doesn't seem to be happening currently, but maybe

you can make it happen eventually. Partnerships of any sort tend

to be a lot stronger when everyone plays to their strengths.

Having one person who works at dealing with problems and one who

retreats into a private world and avoids the issues, or who

freezes and can't handle doing anything generally doesn't work.

It does sound like you need a break from each other for a while.

You need to be able to concentrate on work and school

applications and it seems to me that he needs to decide whether

he wants to make an effort to make things work for the two of

you or whether he wants to avoid the issues and play with his

iPad. Maybe if you get past the current stressful situation you

can work on being able to better provide support for each other

the next time one or both of you is feeling stressed. It seems

obvious to me that he is going to need to put effort into that

though. Even if he does, you may always end up having to play

the bad guy and force him into action. If that's not a role

you're comfortable with, and it sure looks to me like it isn't,

then you have some serious thinking to do about whether to stay

together.

At 12:19 PM 11/28/2011 Girlscout Cowboy wrote:

>Oh I forgot to address the depression thing. I thought he was

>depressed

>too, because he will spend an entire weekend sitting in the

>same chair,

>never even open the curtains, just sit in the dark and draw on

>his iPad.

>

>That behavior is what started him going to my T. I wanted him

>to try meds,

>to get therapy and get undepressed. He was very very offended

>that I would

>see that behavior as depressed. He says it isn't depression,

>its him

>pursuing his passion. . well whatever, right? So if I were to

>bring that up

>that would stimulate a huge fight.

>

>As for me, i had been off medication for 7 months, but I

>started one of my

>antidepressants up again about 2 weeks ago, because i was

>having thoughts

>of self harm. I seem to be doing better with that. I do ok by

>myself, but

>my ex office manager (who retained me as a freelancer) gave me

>a lot of

>crap a couple of weeks ago. Just the weight of their opinions

>was very

>hurtful to me.

>

>Maybe with everything i am going through it is ok for me to be

>a little on

>edge. . . .

>

>As for delaying grad school, I'm way to far into the process to

>give up

>now. My letters of recommend are in, most of my applications

>are filed, my

>transcripts have been sent. I just need to write my essays and

>take the GRE

>- which is a lot of pressure. I've also spent a lot of money on

>GRE prep.

>So yeah, I'm in it to win it and its the last stretch. And, its

>also just

>time to do this. I may not even be working when I'm in grad

>school because

>several of the schools offer generous assistantships, so if I

>can get one

>of those I will likely not work. And i just need a new life. My

>old career

>is mentally unhealthy, the whole construct of the profession is

>codependent. I would like to work as much as I can between

>January and

>August, and then I may continue part time depending on what

>happens with

>school. But school at this point is far more important than my

>job

>situation, because my career is also in a field that is dying

>(journalism),

>and I don't want to join my waif boss in going down with that

>ship.

>

>i think i just need to move my relationship to the back burner

>for a while.

>After 6 years with this man I think i have earned a brief

>sabbatical. I'm

>waiting to see if my tenant is moving out of my home, if she

>does move this

>month, then I will be paying the mortgage on a vacant property

>anyway and I

>can spend time there.

>

>That's another thing on my plate (with a deadline) is dealing

>with real

>estate - either renting or selling . . . . I wish that my

>boyfriend could

>help me with that, but I just don't trust him to do it well

>right now if he

>can't even walk across a room and pick up a 20 lb dog.

>

>Ugh. I just don't want to be my nada. I'd rather be alone.

--

Katrina

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My thoughts below, with quotes from your post:

>>>What I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store >(alone), buy a

sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home >with minimal drama and

without needing me to spend the next 2 hours >congratulating him.

^^^Sounds familiar...a lot like a Narcissist I know. (re:BF, that is, not you)

>

> Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> boyfriend's ego nonstop.

>

That also happens to be the only way to keep a Narcissist happy. Also tends to

keep other Cluster 2s at bay.

Not so sure it's the most constructive advice from your T, but it might help in

the short term. I think there is some middle ground between adulation and

deprecation. That's what I would want to be aiming for, personally. It's

possible to be respectful, and find something positive to say (who doesn't like

a little thank you or praise now and then) without fawning over someone, and

it's possible to express frustration or ask for changes without nagging and

yelling. There is a happy medium.

>I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to worry about >Christmas this

year, at least not until after I take the GRE.

>...He followed me around the house staring at me and then

>prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things >he needed

me to do for my own Christmas present....

>...We have had this f-ing conversation a hundred times.

>...I know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I >have. That

I need to explain how I feel - I have.

Sounds like BF has some problems listening to and respecting your boundaries.

Remind you of anyone else you know?

It's not that you don't have boundaries, or that you haven't communicated them;

it's that you are expecting him to respect them, but he's not. You will never be

able to explain enough with people like that. You can only say, " I've told you

how I feel about this. I'm not doing it again. " or " I think you already know my

answer. I'm not going to talk about it any more. " You can do that calmly, then

end convo, leave room, etc. And yes, he will pout about it.

Which brings me to:

> Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away >from him

as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the >nada.

You might be reacting to your frustration in a way that your nada taught you to

react (rage, yelling, etc.). If so, you can work to change those reactions.

However, it seems to me that HE is the one who is like your nada, and that is

why you are feeling so triggered. I wouldn't want to be around someone who

refused to listen to me or care about my needs, either. It sounds like the two

of you are doing a bit of a dysfunctional dance when it comes to conflict about

your boundaries. Can you apply what you have learned about how to deal with your

BPDnada to your relationship with your BF? (I'm not saying he necessarily has a

PD, just that his behavior sounds similar in many ways to people who do.)

Finally, sorry you are going through such a rough time. It must have been

especially hard to have your T out-of-commission at a time when you probably

needed her most! Good luck with your interview =) And also happy studying!

Sveta

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Oh boy - I don't know that I know much about the boundary management way of

life. I am NC. I went NC before I even knew about BPD. . . I have managed

the boundaries at my work - and look at me now - unemployed, probably in

large part due to my unwillingness to do the codependence dance.

I don't think my BF is a narcissist. He is opposite that. he is the absent

minded professor who doesnt' know his pants are on fire until someone (me)

tells him.

> **

>

>

> My thoughts below, with quotes from your post:

>

>

>

> >>>What I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store >(alone),

> buy a sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home >with minimal

> drama and without needing me to spend the next 2 hours >congratulating him.

>

> ^^^Sounds familiar...a lot like a Narcissist I know. (re:BF, that is, not

> you)

>

>

> >

> > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> > boyfriend's ego nonstop.

> >

>

> That also happens to be the only way to keep a Narcissist happy. Also

> tends to keep other Cluster 2s at bay.

>

> Not so sure it's the most constructive advice from your T, but it might

> help in the short term. I think there is some middle ground between

> adulation and deprecation. That's what I would want to be aiming for,

> personally. It's possible to be respectful, and find something positive to

> say (who doesn't like a little thank you or praise now and then) without

> fawning over someone, and it's possible to express frustration or ask for

> changes without nagging and yelling. There is a happy medium.

>

>

> >I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to worry about >Christmas

> this year, at least not until after I take the GRE.

>

> >...He followed me around the house staring at me and then

> >prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things >he

> needed me to do for my own Christmas present....

> >...We have had this f-ing conversation a hundred times.

>

> >...I know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I >have.

> That I need to explain how I feel - I have.

>

> Sounds like BF has some problems listening to and respecting your

> boundaries. Remind you of anyone else you know?

>

> It's not that you don't have boundaries, or that you haven't communicated

> them; it's that you are expecting him to respect them, but he's not. You

> will never be able to explain enough with people like that. You can only

> say, " I've told you how I feel about this. I'm not doing it again. " or " I

> think you already know my answer. I'm not going to talk about it any more. "

> You can do that calmly, then end convo, leave room, etc. And yes, he will

> pout about it.

>

> Which brings me to:

>

>

> > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away

> >from him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the >nada.

>

> You might be reacting to your frustration in a way that your nada taught

> you to react (rage, yelling, etc.). If so, you can work to change those

> reactions. However, it seems to me that HE is the one who is like your

> nada, and that is why you are feeling so triggered. I wouldn't want to be

> around someone who refused to listen to me or care about my needs, either.

> It sounds like the two of you are doing a bit of a dysfunctional dance when

> it comes to conflict about your boundaries. Can you apply what you have

> learned about how to deal with your BPDnada to your relationship with your

> BF? (I'm not saying he necessarily has a PD, just that his behavior sounds

> similar in many ways to people who do.)

>

> Finally, sorry you are going through such a rough time. It must have been

> especially hard to have your T out-of-commission at a time when you

> probably needed her most! Good luck with your interview =) And also happy

> studying!

>

> Sveta

>

>

>

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I don't think my BF is a narcissist. He is opposite that. he is the absent

> minded professor who doesnt' know his pants are on fire until someone (me)

> tells him.

>

I see. I think it was the comment about him needing 2 hours of congratulations

that seemed N to me. A need for excessive ego-stroking also just doesn't seem

healthy.

At least you have a T to help support and guide you--and he's willing to go,

too! That ought to be tremendously helpful.

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I definitly see where you get that. He is actually a lot like winnie the

pooh. Simple. Humble. Undemanding. His self esteem is in the shitter

because of the economy. Add to that any amount of pressure or stress and

you get a human who just doesn't function well. I asked my T for help

getting his self esteem up so he would apply for things out of reach,

moving us forward. But, it seems if there is to be any movement at all. it

is up to me.

> **

>

>

> I don't think my BF is a narcissist. He is opposite that. he is the absent

> > minded professor who doesnt' know his pants are on fire until someone

> (me)

> > tells him.

> >

>

> I see. I think it was the comment about him needing 2 hours of

> congratulations that seemed N to me. A need for excessive ego-stroking also

> just doesn't seem healthy. I de

> At least you have a T to help support and guide you--and he's willing to

> go, too! That ought to be tremendously helpful.

>

>

>

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Hi there.

You cannot change other people or make their choices for them. If they are

needy or lacking in confidence then their choices and actions will follow

along those lines. Ask yourself why you pick such a person as a partner and

what choices and action YOU can take to make your life better.

In a message dated 28/11/2011 22:08:26 GMT Standard Time,

girlscout.cowboy@... writes:

I definitly see where you get that. He is actually a lot like winnie the

pooh. Simple. Humble. Undemanding. His self esteem is in the shitter

because of the economy. Add to that any amount of pressure or stress and

you get a human who just doesn't function well. I asked my T for help

getting his self esteem up so he would apply for things out of reach,

moving us forward. But, it seems if there is to be any movement at all. it

is up to me.

> **

>

>

> I don't think my BF is a narcissist. He is opposite that. he is the

absent

> > minded professor who doesnt' know his pants are on fire until someone

> (me)

> > tells him.

> >

>

> I see. I think it was the comment about him needing 2 hours of

> congratulations that seemed N to me. A need for excessive ego-stroking

also

> just doesn't seem healthy. I de

> At least you have a T to help support and guide you--and he's willing to

> go, too! That ought to be tremendously helpful.

>

>

>

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Just a few thoughts Girlscout....are you sure you want to be with this

boyfriend? Under all the problems with him do you still have a sense of love

for him? If not, it really is okay to end it. I don't know if you are like me,

but I've always been a sucker for the " sunk cost " problem - finding it harder to

walk away from anything the more time and energy I've put into no matter how bad

it's going. You may or may not relate to that but thought I'd put it out

there.

The other thing that blares at me like a neon light is that he is going to your

T! People in conflictual relationships should not share therapists IMO....it

ruins the " secure frame " , that felt sense that this therapist and environment is

truly safe and secure for you alone. For joint therapy of course you've got to

have the same one, but both individual....makes me queasy.

About turning into your nada - you know the saying is if you are worried about

it you aren't. BUT it's clear something is wrong in how things are and it's

okay to address it rather than pushing yourself till you snap every ten days.

Wishing you well and good luck on the grad school stuff!

Eliza

> > >

> > > Hi Friends,

> > >

> > > I'm having a hard winter.

> > >

> > > I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> > > freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a

> > job

> > > interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the

> > outside.

> > >

> > > My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are

> > due

> > > beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> > > really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income

> > to

> > > pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I

> > have

> > > to give.

> > >

> > > My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> > > laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on

> > my

> > > relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> > > the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> > > while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> > > it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep

> > yourself

> > > alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> > > therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often.

> > What

> > > I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> > > sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama

> > and

> > > without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> > > boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> > > just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> > > this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under

> > the

> > > pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> > > want.

> > >

> > > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> > > boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> > > very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to.

> > I

> > > am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> > > what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit -

> > it

> > > hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

> > >

> > > So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> > > self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional

> > demands

> > > on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> > > know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> > > him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> > > going to happen. That just isn't me.

> > >

> > > Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> > > collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> > > bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he

> > might

> > > lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> > > things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> > > adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> > > or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas

> > presents

> > > he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> > > worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the

> > GRE. I

> > > even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I

> > need

> > > the time to work on my applications.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one

> > with

> > > BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> > > uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> > > this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> > > January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> > > behind her. "

> > >

> > > Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> > > for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was

> > the

> > > end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I

> > worked

> > > for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and

> > then

> > > prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> > > needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to

> > write

> > > the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> > > fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> > > saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

> > >

> > > Anyway, I totally lost it.

> > >

> > > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> > > him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> > > know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That

> > I

> > > need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> > > seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> > > at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow

> > up

> > > again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and

> > like

> > > I am satan incarnate.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Yes, I love him. But I don't love anyone enough to allow them to hold me

back.

The T thing was a mistake. It was supposed to be couples therapy with us

each having alone sessions too - but it didn't really work. A main reason

it didn't work is that my T got sick, and when she came back, she still

wanted to talk about where we were before she got sick, and a lot can

happen in three weeks. . . so anyway. . . it was a bad idea. You are

correct.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:04 PM, eliza92@... <

eliza92@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Just a few thoughts Girlscout....are you sure you want to be with this

> boyfriend? Under all the problems with him do you still have a sense of

> love for him? If not, it really is okay to end it. I don't know if you are

> like me, but I've always been a sucker for the " sunk cost " problem -

> finding it harder to walk away from anything the more time and energy I've

> put into no matter how bad it's going. You may or may not relate to that

> but thought I'd put it out there.

>

> The other thing that blares at me like a neon light is that he is going to

> your T! People in conflictual relationships should not share therapists

> IMO....it ruins the " secure frame " , that felt sense that this therapist and

> environment is truly safe and secure for you alone. For joint therapy of

> course you've got to have the same one, but both individual....makes me

> queasy.

>

> About turning into your nada - you know the saying is if you are worried

> about it you aren't. BUT it's clear something is wrong in how things are

> and it's okay to address it rather than pushing yourself till you snap

> every ten days. Wishing you well and good luck on the grad school stuff!

>

> Eliza

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I'm having a hard winter.

> > > >

> > > > I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> > > > freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also

> have a

> > > job

> > > > interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the

> > > outside.

> > > >

> > > > My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them)

> are

> > > due

> > > > beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> > > > really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough

> income

> > > to

> > > > pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I

> > > have

> > > > to give.

> > > >

> > > > My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I

> was

> > > > laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation

> focused on

> > > my

> > > > relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him

> for

> > > > the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on

> himself

> > > > while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon

> when

> > > > it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep

> > > yourself

> > > > alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have

> changed in

> > > > therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as

> often.

> > > What

> > > > I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone),

> buy a

> > > > sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal

> drama

> > > and

> > > > without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> > > > boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but

> lets

> > > > just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him

> to do

> > > > this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing

> under

> > > the

> > > > pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank

> you

> > > > want.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> > > > boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have

> been

> > > > very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want

> to.

> > > I

> > > > am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away

> from

> > > > what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little

> bit -

> > > it

> > > > hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

> > > >

> > > > So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be

> more

> > > > self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional

> > > demands

> > > > on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are

> met. I

> > > > know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can.

> And for

> > > > him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's

> never

> > > > going to happen. That just isn't me.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second

> until I

> > > > collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me

> into my

> > > > bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he

> > > might

> > > > lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> > > > things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then

> starts

> > > > adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do

> this

> > > > or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas

> > > presents

> > > > he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time

> to

> > > > worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the

> > > GRE. I

> > > > even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I

> > > need

> > > > the time to work on my applications.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the

> one

> > > with

> > > > BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil,

> unkind,

> > > > uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't

> look at

> > > > this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now

> and

> > > > January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines

> are

> > > > behind her. "

> > > >

> > > > Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a

> freelancer

> > > > for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it

> was

> > > the

> > > > end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I

> > > worked

> > > > for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and

> > > then

> > > > prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things

> he

> > > > needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to

> > > write

> > > > the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had

> this

> > > > fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the

> conversation by

> > > > saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I totally lost it.

> > > >

> > > > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away

> from

> > > > him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . .

> . I

> > > > know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have.

> That

> > > I

> > > > need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night -

> but it

> > > > seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge

> blow up

> > > > at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I

> blow

> > > up

> > > > again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me

> and

> > > like

> > > > I am satan incarnate.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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“One of the most important aspects of family dysfunction is an equal degree

of overfunction in another part of the family system. It is factual that

dysfunctioning and overfunctioning exist together.” -M. Bowen

This is it - this is the dynamic I am bitching about. i am a compulsive

over functioner. I was trained to be the overfunctioner. My BF, then

underfunctions. And now I'm calling for change!

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Girlscout Cowboy <

girlscout.cowboy@...> wrote:

> Yes, I love him. But I don't love anyone enough to allow them to hold me

> back.

>

> The T thing was a mistake. It was supposed to be couples therapy with us

> each having alone sessions too - but it didn't really work. A main reason

> it didn't work is that my T got sick, and when she came back, she still

> wanted to talk about where we were before she got sick, and a lot can

> happen in three weeks. . . so anyway. . . it was a bad idea. You are

> correct.

>

>

> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:04 PM, eliza92@... <

> eliza92@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Just a few thoughts Girlscout....are you sure you want to be with this

>> boyfriend? Under all the problems with him do you still have a sense of

>> love for him? If not, it really is okay to end it. I don't know if you are

>> like me, but I've always been a sucker for the " sunk cost " problem -

>> finding it harder to walk away from anything the more time and energy I've

>> put into no matter how bad it's going. You may or may not relate to that

>> but thought I'd put it out there.

>>

>> The other thing that blares at me like a neon light is that he is going

>> to your T! People in conflictual relationships should not share therapists

>> IMO....it ruins the " secure frame " , that felt sense that this therapist and

>> environment is truly safe and secure for you alone. For joint therapy of

>> course you've got to have the same one, but both individual....makes me

>> queasy.

>>

>> About turning into your nada - you know the saying is if you are worried

>> about it you aren't. BUT it's clear something is wrong in how things are

>> and it's okay to address it rather than pushing yourself till you snap

>> every ten days. Wishing you well and good luck on the grad school stuff!

>>

>> Eliza

>>

>>

>>

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi Friends,

>> > > >

>> > > > I'm having a hard winter.

>> > > >

>> > > > I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I

>> have

>> > > > freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also

>> have a

>> > > job

>> > > > interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the

>> > > outside.

>> > > >

>> > > > My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them)

>> are

>> > > due

>> > > > beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things

>> are

>> > > > really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough

>> income

>> > > to

>> > > > pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything

>> I

>> > > have

>> > > > to give.

>> > > >

>> > > > My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week

>> I was

>> > > > laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation

>> focused on

>> > > my

>> > > > relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with

>> him for

>> > > > the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on

>> himself

>> > > > while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a

>> buffoon when

>> > > > it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep

>> > > yourself

>> > > > alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have

>> changed in

>> > > > therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as

>> often.

>> > > What

>> > > > I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone),

>> buy a

>> > > > sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal

>> drama

>> > > and

>> > > > without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

>> > > > boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . .

>> but lets

>> > > > just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him

>> to do

>> > > > this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing

>> under

>> > > the

>> > > > pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank

>> you

>> > > > want.

>> > > >

>> > > > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

>> > > > boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have

>> been

>> > > > very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't

>> want to.

>> > > I

>> > > > am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away

>> from

>> > > > what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little

>> bit -

>> > > it

>> > > > hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

>> > > >

>> > > > So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be

>> more

>> > > > self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional

>> > > demands

>> > > > on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are

>> met. I

>> > > > know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can.

>> And for

>> > > > him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's

>> never

>> > > > going to happen. That just isn't me.

>> > > >

>> > > > Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second

>> until I

>> > > > collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me

>> into my

>> > > > bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he

>> > > might

>> > > > lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering

>> about

>> > > > things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then

>> starts

>> > > > adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to

>> do this

>> > > > or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas

>> > > presents

>> > > > he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have

>> time to

>> > > > worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the

>> > > GRE. I

>> > > > even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and

>> I

>> > > need

>> > > > the time to work on my applications.

>> > > >

>> > > > Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the

>> one

>> > > with

>> > > > BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil,

>> unkind,

>> > > > uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't

>> look at

>> > > > this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now

>> and

>> > > > January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these

>> deadlines are

>> > > > behind her. "

>> > > >

>> > > > Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a

>> freelancer

>> > > > for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it

>> was

>> > > the

>> > > > end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I

>> > > worked

>> > > > for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me

>> and

>> > > then

>> > > > prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things

>> he

>> > > > needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need

>> to

>> > > write

>> > > > the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had

>> this

>> > > > fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the

>> conversation by

>> > > > saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

>> > > >

>> > > > Anyway, I totally lost it.

>> > > >

>> > > > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away

>> from

>> > > > him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. .

>> . . I

>> > > > know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have.

>> That

>> > > I

>> > > > need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night -

>> but it

>> > > > seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge

>> blow up

>> > > > at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I

>> blow

>> > > up

>> > > > again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me

>> and

>> > > like

>> > > > I am satan incarnate.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

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(((Girlscout))) I'm so sorry. You're hurting so much. You're under a lot of

strain.

You're not satan incarnate. Be gentle to yourself. What would you say to one of

us; you'd be gentle. You deserve the same.

Your boyfriend sounds like me when I was first married. I needed *so* much

validation from my husband and needed him to tell me when to jump, how high, and

then tell me how well I did it.

Until I got tired of trying to please him and others, I didn't really change and

I was super depressed. Your boyfriend seems depressed (obviously, I don't know;

just from what you've written, am guessing). Does he have friends? I didn't

back then. I relied completely on my husband to be everything.

I don't really have any advice, I just want you to know I've missed you and am

sorry you're going through this

Hugs,

Fiona

>

> Hi Friends,

>

> I'm having a hard winter.

>

> I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a job

> interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the outside.

>

> My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are due

> beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income to

> pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I have

> to give.

>

> My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on my

> relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep yourself

> alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often. What

> I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama and

> without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under the

> pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> want.

>

> Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to. I

> am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit - it

> hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

>

> So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional demands

> on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> going to happen. That just isn't me.

>

> Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he might

> lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas presents

> he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the GRE. I

> even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I need

> the time to work on my applications.

>

> Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one with

> BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> behind her. "

>

> Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was the

> end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I worked

> for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and then

> prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to write

> the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

>

> Anyway, I totally lost it.

>

> Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That I

> need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow up

> again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and like

> I am satan incarnate.

>

>

>

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Thanks Fi. I love you.

boyfriend has one or two friends. they are distant and have working

relationships. Most of his friends are really my friends. . . He has one

sister he talks to pretty often. even his pets, he is crazy about them, are

really my pets and I take care of them or determine what needs to happen

and then he helps.

I dunno, he insists he isn't depressed, but I think he is too and i see

reason why he should be.

So he printed my resume and work samples today at his job and bound it into

a book. So I have four autobiographies to hand out at my interview tomorrow.

I really want this job to work out and be awesome and be able to blow a big

raspberry in the face of my old job. Its so cool that he wrapped me in such

a nice package I can present to them.

I was thinking after he did that that I have a broader skill set, and i

have a lot more important life skills in my set too. I mean, how often does

being able to print and bind a book come up in family life as mission

critical.

Ha ha ha

I'm in a much better mood now. i also think that four days straight of

almost non stop togetherness might be a little more than I needed at this

juncture.

> **

>

>

> (((Girlscout))) I'm so sorry. You're hurting so much. You're under a lot

> of strain.

>

> You're not satan incarnate. Be gentle to yourself. What would you say to

> one of us; you'd be gentle. You deserve the same.

>

> Your boyfriend sounds like me when I was first married. I needed *so* much

> validation from my husband and needed him to tell me when to jump, how

> high, and then tell me how well I did it.

>

> Until I got tired of trying to please him and others, I didn't really

> change and I was super depressed. Your boyfriend seems depressed

> (obviously, I don't know; just from what you've written, am guessing). Does

> he have friends? I didn't back then. I relied completely on my husband to

> be everything.

>

> I don't really have any advice, I just want you to know I've missed you

> and am sorry you're going through this

>

> Hugs,

>

> Fiona

>

>

> >

> > Hi Friends,

> >

> > I'm having a hard winter.

> >

> > I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> > freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a

> job

> > interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the

> outside.

> >

> > My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are

> due

> > beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> > really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income

> to

> > pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I

> have

> > to give.

> >

> > My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> > laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on

> my

> > relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> > the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> > while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> > it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep

> yourself

> > alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> > therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often.

> What

> > I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> > sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama

> and

> > without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> > boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> > just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> > this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under

> the

> > pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> > want.

> >

> > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> > boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> > very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to.

> I

> > am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> > what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit -

> it

> > hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

> >

> > So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> > self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional

> demands

> > on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> > know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> > him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> > going to happen. That just isn't me.

> >

> > Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> > collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> > bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he

> might

> > lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> > things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> > adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> > or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas

> presents

> > he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> > worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the

> GRE. I

> > even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I

> need

> > the time to work on my applications.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one

> with

> > BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> > uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> > this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> > January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> > behind her. "

> >

> > Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> > for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was

> the

> > end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I

> worked

> > for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and

> then

> > prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> > needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to

> write

> > the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> > fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> > saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

> >

> > Anyway, I totally lost it.

> >

> > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> > him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> > know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That

> I

> > need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> > seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> > at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow

> up

> > again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and

> like

> > I am satan incarnate.

> >

> >

> >

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Hi GS,

Sorry to hear you are going though so much on top of the job loss. The first

thing that comes to my mind is what they say every time you experience a big

loss: don't make any serious life decisions for several months, so you can

consider things clearly without grief and depression clouding your decision

making.

That being said, your BF sounds very sweet, perhaps young and not at all focused

on the same types of goals that you are. I can see where this appealed to you in

the past--his demands on you were sweet and simple ones, and he was very

supportive. I do not doubt you love each other.

You always strike me as a firecracker--all energy, get-er-done and go, go, go.

Right now, you are overloaded beyond belief with GRE/grad school, looking for a

job, real estate issues, probably money issues, and surely lots of unresolved

emotional baggage from the old job. You do not have the extra energy/time to

supervise another adult. Because BF is so needy, you get frustrated, you yell.

It sucks that we hear our nada's voice when we yell, but we share DNA with them,

vocal inflections. That doesn't mean we are like our nadas. I have 2 big male

dogs, whose voice do you think I use when I need them to stay in the pantry room

with their wet feet? Nothing says Alpha like a nada yell. I suspect you are

using your nada yell because you just want to get all the extra stress he's

putting on you off your back.

There isn't a crystal ball to tell you whether this relationship is going to

weather this storm. If it does, you will both come out stronger. If it doesn't,

there is no blame: life is a series of relationships that we grow from and

change. But don't try to decide this now. Take that break away if you can--maybe

you just need some time for just you and your pup.

>

> Hi Friends,

>

> I'm having a hard winter.

>

> I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a job

> interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the outside.

>

> My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are due

> beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income to

> pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I have

> to give.

>

> My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on my

> relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep yourself

> alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often. What

> I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama and

> without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under the

> pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> want.

>

> Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to. I

> am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit - it

> hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

>

> So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional demands

> on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> going to happen. That just isn't me.

>

> Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he might

> lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas presents

> he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the GRE. I

> even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I need

> the time to work on my applications.

>

> Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one with

> BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> behind her. "

>

> Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was the

> end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I worked

> for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and then

> prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to write

> the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

>

> Anyway, I totally lost it.

>

> Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That I

> need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow up

> again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and like

> I am satan incarnate.

>

>

>

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Oh thanks Echo - yeah you are right. You pretty much summed him up.

And yes, when i yell at my big dumb puppy, I also sound like a santanic

drag queen. It's funny and embarassing both. And yeah, my boyfriend reacts

very slowly, so when I say he is bugging me, he thinks he has an hour or

two to straighten up. He really has about 120 seconds, depending on what

I've just been through. . .

DuH DUH DUH

Well, he did something amazingly nice for me yesterday so he earned a day

or two of pennance, but I'm sure it will hit again. . .

> **

>

>

> Hi GS,

> Sorry to hear you are going though so much on top of the job loss. The

> first thing that comes to my mind is what they say every time you

> experience a big loss: don't make any serious life decisions for several

> months, so you can consider things clearly without grief and depression

> clouding your decision making.

>

> That being said, your BF sounds very sweet, perhaps young and not at all

> focused on the same types of goals that you are. I can see where this

> appealed to you in the past--his demands on you were sweet and simple ones,

> and he was very supportive. I do not doubt you love each other.

>

> You always strike me as a firecracker--all energy, get-er-done and go, go,

> go.

>

> Right now, you are overloaded beyond belief with GRE/grad school, looking

> for a job, real estate issues, probably money issues, and surely lots of

> unresolved emotional baggage from the old job. You do not have the extra

> energy/time to supervise another adult. Because BF is so needy, you get

> frustrated, you yell.

>

> It sucks that we hear our nada's voice when we yell, but we share DNA with

> them, vocal inflections. That doesn't mean we are like our nadas. I have 2

> big male dogs, whose voice do you think I use when I need them to stay in

> the pantry room with their wet feet? Nothing says Alpha like a nada yell. I

> suspect you are using your nada yell because you just want to get all the

> extra stress he's putting on you off your back.

>

> There isn't a crystal ball to tell you whether this relationship is going

> to weather this storm. If it does, you will both come out stronger. If it

> doesn't, there is no blame: life is a series of relationships that we grow

> from and change. But don't try to decide this now. Take that break away if

> you can--maybe you just need some time for just you and your pup.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Friends,

> >

> > I'm having a hard winter.

> >

> > I was laid off from my job about 5 weeks ago. I'm doing ok and I have

> > freelance and I have health insurance for the time being. i also have a

> job

> > interview tomorrow for a job that sounds exciting, at least on the

> outside.

> >

> > My bigger priority is that my grad school applications (8 of them) are

> due

> > beginning in a month. And I take the GRE in 18 days. These things are

> > really challenging and balancing them with trying to earn enough income

> to

> > pay my bills, and take care of my physical body is about everything I

> have

> > to give.

> >

> > My T was very sick and hospitalized for 3 weeks beginning the week I was

> > laid off. When I saw her, she seemed to keep the conversation focused on

> my

> > relationship with my boyfriend. I have had a difficult time with him for

> > the past 3 or 4 months. First of all, he hasn't done any work on himself

> > while I've detailed every inch of my mind. Secondly, he is a buffoon when

> > it comes to housework, cooking and just basic stuff you do to keep

> yourself

> > alive. He's been great support for me emotionally, but I have changed in

> > therapy and I don't need to have my abused psyche propped up as often.

> What

> > I do need, however, is a partner who can go to the store (alone), buy a

> > sack of dogfood (the correct kind) and bring it home with minimal drama

> and

> > without needing me to spend the next 2 hours congratulating him. My

> > boyfriend can't do this type of stuff. I think maybe he can. . . but lets

> > just say that he doesn't. I even wonder if the fact that I NEED him to do

> > this stuff makes him unable to do it - he seems to be collapsing under

> the

> > pressure - of - yes,buying a sack of dog food, or fill in any blank you

> > want.

> >

> > Anyway, My T's advice has been for me to coax, stroke and baby my

> > boyfriend's ego nonstop. I don't think this is bad advice - I have been

> > very hard on him, critical, accusatory and annoyed. BUT I don't want to.

> I

> > am under so much pressure right now, I don't want to take time away from

> > what I am doing to baby him! So I have been dogging my T a little bit -

> it

> > hasn't been hard because my schedule is effing overflowing.

> >

> > So, I've talked to my boyfriend about this and he is trying to be more

> > self-reliant and more helpful. He knows that if he puts additional

> demands

> > on me right now I willl simply leave until after my deadlines are met. I

> > know its not the ideal solution - but I'm doing everything I can. And for

> > him - or my T- to ask me to be less goal oriented - well, that's never

> > going to happen. That just isn't me.

> >

> > Anyway, so every day I get up early and push myself every second until I

> > collapse. After I'm exhausted, my boyfriend typically follows me into my

> > bedroom and then just sits there staring at me or at the wall, or he

> might

> > lay flat on his face on the bed for 20 - 30 min while muttering about

> > things he still has left to do. Or worst, he follows me and then starts

> > adding to my to do list when I am totally exhausted, asking me to do this

> > or that. Or even follows me around wanting to talk about Christmas

> presents

> > he is planning for me. I have told him a 100 times I don't have time to

> > worry about Christmas this year, at least not until after I take the

> GRE. I

> > even had to cancel our Christmas vacation because I have no job and I

> need

> > the time to work on my applications.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm sharing this because I've started to feel like I " M the one

> with

> > BPD. I yell at him. I lose my temper. I feel satanic and evil, unkind,

> > uncaring, selfish. . . you name it. For whatever reason, he can't look at

> > this as " Girlscout has a series of important deadlines between now and

> > January 1, I will be helpful and not demanding until these deadlines are

> > behind her. "

> >

> > Honestly, two nights ago I closed down a HUGE event I did as a freelancer

> > for my old work. I came home totally drained, and sad, thinking it was

> the

> > end of an era. I may never do anything like it again for the group I

> worked

> > for for FIVE YEARS. He followed me around the house staring at me and

> then

> > prattling about Christmas and then finally gave me a list of things he

> > needed me to do for my own Christmas present (its a poster, I need to

> write

> > the words for it - I don't need it until mid January. We have had this

> > fucking conversation a hundred times. He even started the conversation by

> > saying " I'm sure this is a bad time to bring this up, but. . . . " ).

> >

> > Anyway, I totally lost it.

> >

> > Am I just like my mother? Sometimes I just want to move as far away from

> > him as I can because when I'm with him I feel like I'm the nada. . . . I

> > know, you are going to say I need to set clear boundaries - I have. That

> I

> > need to explain how I feel - I have. He left me alone last night - but it

> > seems we are on about a 10 day cycle. Every 10 days I have a huge blow up

> > at him, and his neediness will level off and then increase until I blow

> up

> > again. It sucks, its exhausting, and I really feel like its all me and

> like

> > I am satan incarnate.

> >

> >

> >

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