HELP: new nighttime anxiety and OCD!

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Hi All,I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5 year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't fall asleep on her own yet;).As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out of bed, ask to go the potty or not

talk.I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas, Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick time line of events:Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the counter. He was also given strawberries without his NophenolSat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)Sun: diarrhea but betterMon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)Tues: Stopped LiverlifeWed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low

dose Liverlife.Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a nightmare!Many thanks,

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Urinary Tract Infection for frequent urination? Parasites for diarrhea? Hi All,I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5 year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't fall asleep on her own yet;).As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas, Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick time line of events:Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the counter. He was also given strawberries without his NophenolSat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)Sun: diarrhea but betterMon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)Tues: Stopped LiverlifeWed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose Liverlife.Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a nightmare!Many thanks,

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Try using 5HTP for now for the anxiety and look into getting your child on

OMEGA's I like the Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega which has 650mg of the EPA.

My son is helped by the 5HTP give it to him at night before bed and they wake up

with less anxiety, feel focus is a little better too. Better short term memory

and calmness happen when I give Omega's. Eileen

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> > Hi All,

> >

> > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> >

> > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> >

> > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > time line of events:

> >

> > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > Liverlife.

> >

> > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > nightmare!

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Forgot you might also try giving him an Epsom Bath work him up from 1/2 cup to 1

cup to 1 cup and 1/2. Be sure to put lotion on as salts can be drying to skin.

He might have phenol sensitivity and trouble detoxifying sulfates etc. Epsom

Salts help our kiddo's detoxify these things that build up in our kiddos and get

rid of them. Eileen

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> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> >

> > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> >

> > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > time line of events:

> >

> > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > Liverlife.

> >

> > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > nightmare!

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi All,I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5 year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't fall asleep on her own yet;).As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out of bed, ask to go the potty or not

talk.I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas, Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick time line of events:Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the counter. He was also given strawberries without his NophenolSat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)Sun: diarrhea but betterMon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)Tues: Stopped LiverlifeWed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low

dose Liverlife.Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a nightmare!Many thanks,

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As long as I remember, your son is on nystatin and candidase for yeast and vsl#3

to prevent clostridia. If your child is already on some medication for

clostridia then ignore this but otherwise look into clostridia. My son was on

nystatin and curcumin for almost 2 months and all of a sudden started having

very similar symptoms and I was helped by all of you. I do believe that it was

clostridia as while I was treating for yeast, clostridia found too much room to

grow. My dan doesn't believe in this theory but Dr Kurt Woeller has a you tube

video on the subject. My son developed similar anxiety especially at night,

would ask to go pee pee all the time, had ocd and was resistant to change.

Cannot tell much about stool as I was using charcoal which was giving him formed

stool. Vancomycin has definitely helped and his symptoms I would say are at

least 75 % better. Another thing which you have already figured out is the

phenol. A lot of his symptoms can be explained by that also but if you have

already removed the culprit then symptoms should get better. I agree with Epsom

salt baths or foot soaks, whichever one you can do as it has really helped my

son or the magnesium sulphate cream. Seems like he was already peeing a lot and

had diarrhea before you even started lithium so not sure if it has anything to

do with it. If you have culturelle then probably go up on it to at least 3 caps

a day and that might help if it is indeed clostridia. I was beginning to have

doubts about culturelle but then realized that indigestion I was seeing was

likely die-off. Good luck

is

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> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> > >

> > > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> > >

> > > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > > time line of events:

> > >

> > > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > > Liverlife.

> > >

> > > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > > nightmare!

> > >

> > > Many thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For us -- 2 kids with PANDAS these symptoms the sudden onset says PANDAS which

can be caused by Strep ('tis the season) or triggered by other viruses. The

night anxiety and fears, circular fears that can't be quieted also indicates

PANDAS flare here. In more typical households it is just part of the strep

episode. this is an interesting page: http://webpediatrics.com/pandas.html

Treating the food infractions and other infections will help but Strep if it's

there needs to be identified and treated. Saying this I'll acknowledge that a

significant number of kids on spectrum or undetected immune deficiencies won't

test positive for strep ever on either a throat or blood test -- none of my kids

do.

---> If you can get him a strep culture right away and demand antibiotics. If

this is the first instance of this behavior cluster keep good records so that if

you begin to see a pattern of illness you can get him on a treatment regimen

specific to whatever his illness turns out to be. In the mean time re sleep

melatonin does not cut it for these episodes, Valarian or a combination is

better. And sleep is a must because exhaustion just makes it go through the

roof.

" As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about going to

bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my daughter's room obsessively.

When I ask him to be quiet and not say anything he cannot. He keeps saying he

has to go to the bathroom (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he

says this over and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get

out of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk. "

[Guest guest]

PANDAS or urinary tract infection. Bring him to your pediatrician.

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:05 PMSubject: HELP: new nighttime anxiety and OCD!

Hi All,

I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5 year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't fall asleep on her own yet;).

As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas, Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick time line of events:

Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

Sun: diarrhea but better

Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

Tues: Stopped Liverlife

Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose Liverlife.

Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a nightmare!

Many thanks,

[Guest guest]

Eileen,Epsom salt is Magnesium Sulfate right? If someone has trouble detoxifying sulfates, why would you give them mgsulfate baths? I am just trying to understand because I stopped using epsom salt due to CBS mutation (hard to detoxify sulphur) my son has. Take care.

Ayse

 

Forgot you might also try giving him an Epsom Bath work him up from 1/2 cup to 1 cup to 1 cup and 1/2. Be sure to put lotion on as salts can be drying to skin. He might have phenol sensitivity and trouble detoxifying sulfates etc. Epsom Salts help our kiddo's detoxify these things that build up in our kiddos and get rid of them. Eileen

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> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> >

> > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> >

> > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > time line of events:

> >

> > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > Liverlife.

> >

> > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > nightmare!

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ayse,

Yes, you can use Epsom salts here is info from a website that explains it best.

Dr Waring found that most children on the autism spectrum are very low in

sulfate and may be as low as 15 percent of the amount in neurologically typical

people. People with low or no ability to convert compounds to sulfate have

problems handling environmental chemicals, some medications, and even some

chemicals produced within the body. They include people with other conditions

such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and

chemical sensitivities.

The PST sulfation pathway is necessary for the breakdown and removal of certain

toxins in the body. This includes the processing of a type of chemical called a

phenol. Phenols are a regular and necessary part of life. All foods contain some

phenolic compounds. However, some foods have a much higher content than others

do. If the sulfation pathway is not functioning well, a person may not be able

to process out the phenolic compounds as fast as they consume them. There is a

cumulative effect. When the phenols start backing up in the system, it can cause

a myriad of negative reactions. Symptoms of phenol intolerance include night

waking, night sweats, irritability, eczema, and other skin conditions. The

symptoms of phenol intolerance and yeast may be very similar because they both

involve the body trying to deal with toxins.

This detoxification pathway processes other phenolic compounds including

salicylates (salicylates are a subset of phenols), artificial food colorings,

artificial flavorings, and some preservatives. Besides requiring PST, research

has found the salicylates further suppress the activity of any PST enzyme

present, making matters worse. Food dyes also have been shown to inhibit the PST

enzyme.

First Part

You can unclog this `bottleneck' in one of two ways. One is reducing the amount

of phenols and toxins entering the body. This is the basis of the Feingold

Program or diet. The Feingold Program removes the hard-to-process artificial

colorings, flavorings, and three preservatives. It also removes the most

problematic of the salicylate foods at the beginning of the program. Later in

the program, you may be able to add these salicylate foods back after testing

them one at a time. The foods targeted by the Feingold Program and their effects

on hyperactivity in children have been extensively studied. Eliminating these

chemicals has been effectively helping many children with all sorts of behavior

problems for many years, although the reasons why are just now beginning to be

understood.

Feingold/Failsafe Programs

Epsom salts because the form of sulfur in the Epsom salts is already sulfate and

readily available to the body.

What are Epsom salts and how do they work?

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. Salts are just molecules that form because

the parts have opposite electrical charges that bind together. Magnesium has a

positive charge. Sulfate has a negative charge, and performs all sorts of unique

biological functions. The two elements dissociate in solution (English

translation: break apart and separate in liquid). Epsom salts are available at

most local grocers or health food stores, or inexpensively in bulk at

agricultural supply stores.

The magnesium and sulfate in the salts are absorbed into the body through the

skin. Because the sulfur is already in the sulfate form, it does not need to be

converted like other forms of sulfur do. Sulfate is thought to circulate in the

body up to about nine hours. Any Epsom salts left on the skin may continue to be

absorbed as long as it is still on the skin, offering continuous

`timed-released' input into the bloodstream – like medications given through

skin patches. Many people on a typical `modern' processed diet are very

deficient in magnesium as well, which Epsom salts also supply in a highly

available form. Main effects of insufficient magnesium are hyperness,

irritability, anxiety, and muscle twitching or spasms. So the salts may provide

two-way assistance.

see Magnesium

How to give Epsom salts

Here are several methods for giving Epsom salts. The ratio is not exact, just

what seems to get the salts dissolved and on the skin.

Epsom salt baths – Most people use about one to two cups per tub. Dissolve the

salts in hot water first and then fill the tub to about waist deep, as warm as

possible. The amount of salts you may find works best will depend on the

individual tolerance, the temperature of the water, and the size of the tub. The

warmer the water and larger the tub, the more salts will dissolve. If you see

negative reactions, such as irritability or hyperactivity, then decrease the

amount of salts. You may need to start with as little as one tablespoon of

salts, and work up gradually. Epsom salts baths are very calming for most

people. This works well just before bedtime. Most guides say to soak for about

20 minutes or more. It is okay to let the salts dry on the skin. You may notice

a dry clear-white powder. If it is too itchy or irritating, just rinse it off.

If the skin feels too dry, use lotion or oils to moisturize. Diarrhea or loose

stools may result if children drink the bath water.

Spray – Mix one part salts and one part water (add more water if the salts are

not dissolved) and put in a spray-squirt bottle. Mist the person's chest and/or

back and let it dry on the skin. This method works well in the summer.

Footbath – Mix one part salts to two parts water (or more so the salts dissolve)

and let the person soak their feet in it. My boys would soak their feet about 30

minutes while they did reading or homework.

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> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > > > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > > > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > > > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > > > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> > > >

> > > > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > > > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > > > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > > > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > > > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > > > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > > > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > > > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > > > time line of events:

> > > >

> > > > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > > > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > > > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > > > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > > > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > > > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > > > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > > > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > > > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > > > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > > > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > > > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > > > Liverlife.

> > > >

> > > > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > > > nightmare!

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Eileen,

Wonderful post! Thank you so much for the info. You covered everything.

is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > > > > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > > > > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > > > > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > > > > fall asleep on her own yet;).

> > > > >

> > > > > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > > > > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > > > > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > > > > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > > > > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > > > > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > > > > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > > > > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > > > > time line of events:

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > > > > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > > > > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > > > > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > > > > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > > > > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > > > > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > > > > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > > > > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > > > > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > > > > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > > > > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > > > > Liverlife.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > > > > nightmare!

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks,

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Eileen,Thank you for this. Yes, Epsom can be really beneficial for a person who does not have any mutations on CBS gene. According to the book I read (by Amy Yasko), sulphur containing foods and supplements should be limited including Epsom. It says " excess sulphur,resulting from CBS activity may trigger chronic stress(the cortisol response) " . 

Ayse

 

Ayse,

Yes, you can use Epsom salts here is info from a website that explains it best.

Dr Waring found that most children on the autism spectrum are very low in sulfate and may be as low as 15 percent of the amount in neurologically typical people. People with low or no ability to convert compounds to sulfate have problems handling environmental chemicals, some medications, and even some chemicals produced within the body. They include people with other conditions such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and chemical sensitivities.

The PST sulfation pathway is necessary for the breakdown and removal of certain toxins in the body. This includes the processing of a type of chemical called a phenol. Phenols are a regular and necessary part of life. All foods contain some phenolic compounds. However, some foods have a much higher content than others do. If the sulfation pathway is not functioning well, a person may not be able to process out the phenolic compounds as fast as they consume them. There is a cumulative effect. When the phenols start backing up in the system, it can cause a myriad of negative reactions. Symptoms of phenol intolerance include night waking, night sweats, irritability, eczema, and other skin conditions. The symptoms of phenol intolerance and yeast may be very similar because they both involve the body trying to deal with toxins.

This detoxification pathway processes other phenolic compounds including salicylates (salicylates are a subset of phenols), artificial food colorings, artificial flavorings, and some preservatives. Besides requiring PST, research has found the salicylates further suppress the activity of any PST enzyme present, making matters worse. Food dyes also have been shown to inhibit the PST enzyme.

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You can unclog this `bottleneck' in one of two ways. One is reducing the amount of phenols and toxins entering the body. This is the basis of the Feingold Program or diet. The Feingold Program removes the hard-to-process artificial colorings, flavorings, and three preservatives. It also removes the most problematic of the salicylate foods at the beginning of the program. Later in the program, you may be able to add these salicylate foods back after testing them one at a time. The foods targeted by the Feingold Program and their effects on hyperactivity in children have been extensively studied. Eliminating these chemicals has been effectively helping many children with all sorts of behavior problems for many years, although the reasons why are just now beginning to be understood.

Feingold/Failsafe Programs

Epsom salts because the form of sulfur in the Epsom salts is already sulfate and readily available to the body.

What are Epsom salts and how do they work?

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. Salts are just molecules that form because the parts have opposite electrical charges that bind together. Magnesium has a positive charge. Sulfate has a negative charge, and performs all sorts of unique biological functions. The two elements dissociate in solution (English translation: break apart and separate in liquid). Epsom salts are available at most local grocers or health food stores, or inexpensively in bulk at agricultural supply stores.

The magnesium and sulfate in the salts are absorbed into the body through the skin. Because the sulfur is already in the sulfate form, it does not need to be converted like other forms of sulfur do. Sulfate is thought to circulate in the body up to about nine hours. Any Epsom salts left on the skin may continue to be absorbed as long as it is still on the skin, offering continuous `timed-released' input into the bloodstream – like medications given through skin patches. Many people on a typical `modern' processed diet are very deficient in magnesium as well, which Epsom salts also supply in a highly available form. Main effects of insufficient magnesium are hyperness, irritability, anxiety, and muscle twitching or spasms. So the salts may provide two-way assistance.

see Magnesium

How to give Epsom salts

Here are several methods for giving Epsom salts. The ratio is not exact, just what seems to get the salts dissolved and on the skin.

Epsom salt baths – Most people use about one to two cups per tub. Dissolve the salts in hot water first and then fill the tub to about waist deep, as warm as possible. The amount of salts you may find works best will depend on the individual tolerance, the temperature of the water, and the size of the tub. The warmer the water and larger the tub, the more salts will dissolve. If you see negative reactions, such as irritability or hyperactivity, then decrease the amount of salts. You may need to start with as little as one tablespoon of salts, and work up gradually. Epsom salts baths are very calming for most people. This works well just before bedtime. Most guides say to soak for about 20 minutes or more. It is okay to let the salts dry on the skin. You may notice a dry clear-white powder. If it is too itchy or irritating, just rinse it off. If the skin feels too dry, use lotion or oils to moisturize. Diarrhea or loose stools may result if children drink the bath water.

Spray – Mix one part salts and one part water (add more water if the salts are not dissolved) and put in a spray-squirt bottle. Mist the person's chest and/or back and let it dry on the skin. This method works well in the summer.

Footbath – Mix one part salts to two parts water (or more so the salts dissolve) and let the person soak their feet in it. My boys would soak their feet about 30 minutes while they did reading or homework.

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> > > > I need your brains to help figure out a new, dramatic change in my 5

> > > > year old's behavior. For months, he has been going to bed on his

> > > > own without any problems. I would tuck him in and then go to his

> > > > little sister's room to stay with her until she sleeps (she doesn't

> > > > fall asleep on her own yet;).

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> > > > As of a couple of days ago, he has become very anxious and OCD about

> > > > going to bed. He cannot stay in his bed and comes into my

> > > > daughter's room obsessively. When I ask him to be quiet and not say

> > > > anything he cannot. He keeps saying he has to go to the bathroom

> > > > (we go and then he immediately has to go again)....he says this over

> > > > and over and gets very upset. He cannot control his urge to get out

> > > > of bed, ask to go the potty or not talk.

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> > > > I am trying to pinpoint the culprit. I was thinking strep/Pandas,

> > > > Phenols, virus, new supplement or food infraction. Here is a quick

> > > > time line of events:

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> > > > Friday: party at our house with kids -- possibility he ate something

> > > > with gluten/casein without us knowing. I found out later some of

> > > > the older kids had opened their chips bags and left them on the

> > > > counter. He was also given strawberries without his Nophenol

> > > > Sat: watery diarrhea (greenish - viral?)

> > > > Sun: diarrhea but better

> > > > Mon: Peeing alot. Started Lithium oratate (balance mood, behavior)

> > > > Tues: Stopped Liverlife

> > > > Wed: weepy and frustrated at times. Started the above OCD/anxious

> > > > night time behavior. Pooped on bedroom floor.

> > > > Thurs: Stopped Lithium Oratate. Same behavior as Wed.

> > > > Fri: Same night time behavior as Wed and Thurs. Restarted low dose

> > > > Liverlife.

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> > > > Please let me know if you have any thoughts!! Bedtime is becoming a

> > > > nightmare!

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> > > > Many thanks,

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