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We're wrestling with apraxia now, too.  Maia had/has global apraxia -- no ability to point at objects out of her reach, shake her head for " no " , nod her head for " yes " , and had trouble with many vowels (well, all sounds -- no vocal imitations at all).  She spent the first 3 years unable to utter a single syllable and had very bad excessive drooling until age 3.5.

She's beginning to make sentences now (still needs help with some words and articulation still needs lots of work, but she has suddenly become able to sound words out when a word is presented to her on paper and she can see it).  What's worked for us (this is the order we did in which it helped with apraxia):

100% soy-free dietlow oxalate dietcarnosine (we still take it -- we're doing 2 doses of 500 mg/day + 5 mg of zinc with it each time)5-MTHF (about 1.5 mg/day -- we had done folinic with our B12, but it did nothing -- 5-MTHF definitely works much better for us)

copper (b/c of high HVA/VMA ratio -- started at 1 mg/day for a week and then dropped it down to 0.75 mg/day then 0.5 mg/day, then 0.25 mg/day, then 0.25 every 2 days, and now we're on a maintenance dose of 0.25 mg/week to balance off the zinc we take)

carnitine for mito support (b/c we have mito problems, carnitine is required to help process things like certain amino acids -- namely, leucine for us -- to help with the production of neurotransmitters).high dose B6 for our oxalate issues (we're doing about 7 mg per pound of body weight) - b/c they were inhibiting mito functions which were inhibiting neurotransmitter production

NAC (although we've had to moderate the usage of NAC and decrease the dosage because Maia started biting more people)high dose riboflavin to correct deficiencies  Vit D in the winterVit A to correct deficiency

fish oil, evening primrose, flax seed oil, coq10magnesiumRiboflavin and copper have brought the most significant changes, but these may be problems specific to us.  Also, we had done carnosine before going low oxalate, but it didn't help with apraxia as much before we went low oxalate.  After we were low oxalate for about 2 months and Maia dumped a whole whack of it, carnosine worked much better and that's why I listed it after LOD. 

We had also done fish oil very early on and it did nothing until I gave proper mito support and until I corrected the riboflavin deficiency -- because without the proper mito supports in place (riboflavin deficiency and carnitine), the body couldn't process fats properly and the EFAs I was giving weren't being absorbed and not helping with apraxia.  Magnesium also helps now but it didn't help in the beginning.  Again, I think we needed more B6 and needed to correct the riboflavin deficiency so that B6 could be used.

The next things I'm trying (I like having a game plan), and I'm hoping it'll make the apraxia lift some more and we can get better articulation and better word recall -- I have a really good feeling about because of stuff I found out lately:

AKG (to bring down ammonia levels and to improve B6 absorption, which should help to make more neurotransmitters)AC chelation (Maia is likely mercury and lead toxic, also suspecting arsenic toxicity too b/c of reactions to rice -- mainly because of the riboflavin deficiency that created oxidative stress, these toxins built up from food, water and the mercury came from me having 8 amalgam fillings). 

revisit tackling the biofilmHTH.  Good luck with it -- I know apraxia is really really frustrating.  I really hate apraxia more than I have the words to express.

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Awesome post, Alberta. This is a keeper. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 1:06 AM Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

We're wrestling with apraxia now, too. Maia had/has global apraxia -- no ability to point at objects out of her reach, shake her head for "no", nod her head for "yes", and had trouble with many vowels (well, all sounds -- no vocal imitations at all). She spent the first 3 years unable to utter a single syllable and had very bad excessive drooling until age 3.5.

She's beginning to make sentences now (still needs help with some words and articulation still needs lots of work, but she has suddenly become able to sound words out when a word is presented to her on paper and she can see it). What's worked for us (this is the order we did in which it helped with apraxia):

100% soy-free dietlow oxalate dietcarnosine (we still take it -- we're doing 2 doses of 500 mg/day + 5 mg of zinc with it each time)5-MTHF (about 1.5 mg/day -- we had done folinic with our B12, but it did nothing -- 5-MTHF definitely works much better for us)

copper (b/c of high HVA/VMA ratio -- started at 1 mg/day for a week and then dropped it down to 0.75 mg/day then 0.5 mg/day, then 0.25 mg/day, then 0.25 every 2 days, and now we're on a maintenance dose of 0.25 mg/week to balance off the zinc we take)

carnitine for mito support (b/c we have mito problems, carnitine is required to help process things like certain amino acids -- namely, leucine for us -- to help with the production of neurotransmitters).high dose B6 for our oxalate issues (we're doing about 7 mg per pound of body weight) - b/c they were inhibiting mito functions which were inhibiting neurotransmitter production

NAC (although we've had to moderate the usage of NAC and decrease the dosage because Maia started biting more people)high dose riboflavin to correct deficiencies Vit D in the winterVit A to correct deficiency

fish oil, evening primrose, flax seed oil, coq10magnesiumRiboflavin and copper have brought the most significant changes, but these may be problems specific to us. Also, we had done carnosine before going low oxalate, but it didn't help with apraxia as much before we went low oxalate. After we were low oxalate for about 2 months and Maia dumped a whole whack of it, carnosine worked much better and that's why I listed it after LOD.

We had also done fish oil very early on and it did nothing until I gave proper mito support and until I corrected the riboflavin deficiency -- because without the proper mito supports in place (riboflavin deficiency and carnitine), the body couldn't process fats properly and the EFAs I was giving weren't being absorbed and not helping with apraxia. Magnesium also helps now but it didn't help in the beginning. Again, I think we needed more B6 and needed to correct the riboflavin deficiency so that B6 could be used.

The next things I'm trying (I like having a game plan), and I'm hoping it'll make the apraxia lift some more and we can get better articulation and better word recall -- I have a really good feeling about because of stuff I found out lately:

AKG (to bring down ammonia levels and to improve B6 absorption, which should help to make more neurotransmitters)AC chelation (Maia is likely mercury and lead toxic, also suspecting arsenic toxicity too b/c of reactions to rice -- mainly because of the riboflavin deficiency that created oxidative stress, these toxins built up from food, water and the mercury came from me having 8 amalgam fillings).

revisit tackling the biofilmHTH. Good luck with it -- I know apraxia is really really frustrating. I really hate apraxia more than I have the words to express.

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alberta can i pick your brain again with the A l carnitine...how much did you give and was it on empty stomach? i remember you said you gave in morning but just curious how long before food did you give....

channa

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Thanks, Tammy! : )  I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here.  The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food.  Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food.  She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best.  I give it just before our EFAs now.  With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop.  I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different groups. You mind if I share?I'll delete your names... -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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No problem at all.  And please post on here if someone is trying something off the beaten path that's working for them.  Caryn, how much EFAs are you using?  I wonder if I'm giving enough EFAs.  Admittedly, I haven't been super diligent about the EFAs because they need to be given away from minerals and sometimes there isn't enough time slots between ABA and school to give all the supps.  I think we're on about 30+ supps right now, especially when I'm hitting yeast, viruses, and bacteria.  I'm wondering how I'm gonna handle giving the supps while I'm chelating...

 

super duper duper.  This has been coming up on a couple of different groups.  You mind if I share?

I'll delete your names... -Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

 

Thanks, Tammy! : )  I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here.  The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food.  Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food.  She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best.  I give it just before our EFAs now.  With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop.  I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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Can someone tell me what is better to give Nordic Naturals EPA or Ultimate Omegas.SandiSent from my iPad No problem at all. And please post on here if someone is trying something off the beaten path that's working for them. Caryn, how much EFAs are you using? I wonder if I'm giving enough EFAs. Admittedly, I haven't been super diligent about the EFAs because they need to be given away from minerals and sometimes there isn't enough time slots between ABA and school to give all the supps. I think we're on about 30+ supps right now, especially when I'm hitting yeast, viruses, and bacteria. I'm wondering how I'm gonna handle giving the supps while I'm chelating... super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different groups. You mind if I share?I'll delete your names... -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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Best to use both. NN EPA for the high EPA content and the NN EFA for the GLA which also helps with cognition.

super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different groups. You mind if I share?

I'll delete your names...

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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I have used Speak. It is not a popular supplement on some of the other boards,

but it really helps my son. My sons expressive scores jumped ad average of 30

points on testing in just a few months. My son has a above average receptive

and the ability to write sentences, so he quickly went from single sounds for

words to the ability to say a sentence. His articulation is still poor, but

improving every day.

I will say that I always wonder if together with the valtrex it is causing

additional viral die off because it does give my son rashes that I can't dx and

also kicks up yeast. Suddenly he will have a new sound, but will also get

silly, distracted and jump off the furniture for a day or two until I tweak for

yeast.

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> > *From:* Alberta

> > *To:* mb12valtrex

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

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> > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

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> > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to

> > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one

> > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other

> > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more

> > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

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> > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone

> > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with

> > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I

> > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the

> > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just

> > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a

> > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding

> > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

> > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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im also havin good results with speak

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I have used Speak. It is not a popular supplement on some of the other boards, but it really helps my son. My sons expressive scores jumped ad average of 30 points on testing in just a few months. My son has a above average receptive and the ability to write sentences, so he quickly went from single sounds for words to the ability to say a sentence. His articulation is still poor, but improving every day.I will say that I always wonder if together with the valtrex it is causing additional viral die off because it does give my son rashes that I can't dx and also kicks up yeast. Suddenly he will have a new sound, but will also get silly, distracted and jump off the furniture for a day or two until I tweak for yeast.> > > **> >> >> > super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different> > groups. You mind if I share?> > I'll delete your names...> >> >

-Tammy> >> > *From:* Alberta > > *To:* mb12valtrex > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM> >> > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help> >> >> > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to> > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one> > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other> > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more> > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.> >> > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone> > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino

acid that absorbs better with> > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I> > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the> > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just> > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a> > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding> > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my> > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.> >> >> > > >>

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thank you so much Alberta i was rackin my brain trying to figure how to give all these seperat amino acids....taking with food...brillaint!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PMSubject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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Channa and Caryn,

What do you think about coming up with our own combination of omegas and vitamin

E, K and GLA identical to speak by using other products. My son is using nordic

natural products and getting good amounts of EPA/DHA. Is it a good idea to add

vitamin E and vitamin K separately and GLA?

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> > > super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different

> > > groups. You mind if I share?

> > > I'll delete your names...

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> > > -Tammy

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> > > *From:* Alberta <gnomederwear@>

> > > *To:* mb12valtrex

> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

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> > > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

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> > > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to

> > > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one

> > > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other

> > > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more

> > > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

> > >

> > > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone

> > > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with

> > > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I

> > > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the

> > > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just

> > > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a

> > > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding

> > > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

> > > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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I think the carnitines are the only ones that absorb better with food.  I think all the other aminos absorb better away from meals.  Ah, well, while Miss Maia is up at 2:30 AM, I might as well get some yeast enzymes and aminos in her now...I hear her laughing that yeast laugh in her room right now...

 

thank you so much Alberta i was rackin my brain trying to figure how to give all these seperat amino acids....taking with food...brillaint!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

 

Thanks, Tammy! : )  I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here.  The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food.  Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food.  She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best.  I give it just before our EFAs now.  With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop.  I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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I have thought the same thing. But, I would want to try to go soy free, so I

would not start with NN. Not sure we could use E at all.

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> > > > super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different

> > > > groups. You mind if I share?

> > > > I'll delete your names...

> > > >

> > > > -Tammy

> > > >

> > > > *From:* Alberta <gnomederwear@>

> > > > *To:* mb12valtrex

> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

> > > >

> > > > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to

> > > > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one

> > > > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other

> > > > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more

> > > > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

> > > >

> > > > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone

> > > > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with

> > > > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I

> > > > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the

> > > > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it

just

> > > > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has

a

> > > > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding

> > > > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make

my

> > > > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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Hi caryn and alexis and others,Have you heard nordic naturals is an issue for kids who have problems with soy? I asked our dan months ago about the "derived from soybeans" issue and I didn't exactly understand her explanation but botttom line she said it was different from ingesting straight soy so it is ok for soy free kids....would love your thoughts!!!Cheers,-- Sent from my Palm Pre

I have thought the same thing. But, I would want to try to go soy free, so I would not start with NN. Not sure we could use E at all.

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> > > > super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different

> > > > groups. You mind if I share?

> > > > I'll delete your names...

> > > >

> > > > -Tammy

> > > >

> > > > *From:* Alberta <gnomederwear@>

> > > > *To:* mb12valtrex

> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM

> > > >

> > > > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to

> > > > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one

> > > > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other

> > > > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more

> > > > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

> > > >

> > > > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone

> > > > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with

> > > > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I

> > > > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the

> > > > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just

> > > > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a

> > > > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding

> > > > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

> > > > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

> > > >

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, I have spoken to almost everyone including NN, kirkman, carlson, thorne

and klaire and all of them told me the same thing that soy derived means that

the products contain the vitamin E or the lipids derived from soybean oil but

the soy protein which the children are allergic to is removed very early in the

process so it should not be a problem. My dan and naturopath both believe that

soybean oil is ok if child has no serious allergy and even allowed my friend's

child to consume a spread made of soybean oil. So in my humble opinion, unless

the child has a typical allergic reaction ranging from skin irritation, sneezing

to anaphylaxis, soy derived products are fine. The vitaspectrum that I use for

my son also contains soybean oil derived vitamin E. Nutrivene longvida also has

some soybean oil. Most of the vitamin D liquids also contain soybean oil

although carlson makes one with coconut oil which I have used with great

results. But fish oil is even more difficult to find which does not have any

soybean oil. I found the super EPA which is soy free but the capsule is

humongous. Even SPEAK contains tocopherols derived from soybean. I hope this

helps.

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i heard from another mom on some forum that she went ahead and bought all the ingredients seperatly to make her own...but it didnt work as good as the speak....that only one womans opinion thou...

i also heard that fish oil should not smell bad stinky fishy as that means it has oxidized bad...but if it has little to none fish smell it had too much stuff taken out....so maybe that was the issue?

I try and choose GMO free soy for products i use like lethicin as i believe the benefits sometimes outweigh the bad....but then my son doesnt have soy allergies either...

if that was on this group i read about fish oil i apologize i just finished four and half day round and i am so tired I am really out of it...

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 7:30 AMSubject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

I have thought the same thing. But, I would want to try to go soy free, so I would not start with NN. Not sure we could use E at all. > > > > > > > **> > > >> > > >> > > > super duper duper. This has been coming up on a couple of different> > > > groups. You mind if I share?> > > > I'll delete your names...> > > >> > > > -Tammy> > > >> > > > *From:* Alberta <gnomederwear@>> > > > *To:* mb12valtrex > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:08 PM> > > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to> > > > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one> > > > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other> > > > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more> > > > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.> > > >> > > > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone> > > > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs

better with> > > > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I> > > > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the> > > > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just> > > > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a> > > > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding> > > > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my> > > > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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well at least we get a break with the carnitines...do you give the alcar and carninine at the same time or diffrent meals? i got some methionine i started giving my son with his chelation dose as it spose help detoxification and metals....and undermethylators...which im guessing is my son....love all the guessing i get to do about everything..sigh.

also i am doin brice vickery amino blend before meals...i still want to give glutamine and arginine fro growth issues but dont know if glutamine and arginine would work well with each other....

F. more guessing...

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 2:42 AMSubject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

I think the carnitines are the only ones that absorb better with food. I think all the other aminos absorb better away from meals. Ah, well, while Miss Maia is up at 2:30 AM, I might as well get some yeast enzymes and aminos in her now...I hear her laughing that yeast laugh in her room right now...

thank you so much Alberta i was rackin my brain trying to figure how to give all these seperat amino acids....taking with food...brillaint!

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Subject: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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well my son is really allergic to dairy but he does fine on butter...so maybe same idea with soy and soy products...I guess it is a matter of trial and error unless there is a life threatening allergy then i wouldnt even try it...

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help

Hi caryn and alexis and others,Have you heard nordic naturals is an issue for kids who have problems with soy? I asked our dan months ago about the "derived from soybeans" issue and I didn't exactly understand her explanation but botttom line she said it was different from ingesting straight soy so it is ok for soy free kids....would love your thoughts!!!Cheers,know

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If you are soy free I would not use NN. Before I knew about tocopherols being derived from soy I was giving Liam ultimate omega by NN. As soon as I learned of the soy derived tocopherols I stopped and he started to improve.The only time I would give anything with tocopherols is if they were not derived from soy (obviously;) or guaranteed to be purified and soy free. Such as Pure Encapsulations. They have tocopherols derived from soy but guarantee their product 100% soy free. Hope this helps.Mom to 5 year-old LiamConnected by DROID on Verizon Wireless* Re: verbal apraxia?? --- Dana pls help> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I want to> > > > provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one> > > > person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other> > > > people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more> > > > challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.> > > >> > > > Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone> > > > mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with> > > > food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I> > > > read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the> > > > brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just> > > > before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a> > > > lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding> > > > that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my> > > > kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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The soy in it wouldn't be a problem for people whose issues are only with allergies.  However, there are some kids whose issues with soy are more involved.   I'm starting to see that Maia (and likely Ethan) might be in this group of kids.

Soy not only causes an allergic reaction for my kids -- soy causes apraxia very very quickly for us.  In the past few days, another mom had brought up the possibility of a G6PD (glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase) deficiency.  I hadn't ever heard of this and I didn't even know what this was until 2 days ago.  I almost fell to the floor when I found out what it was.  It describes my daughter to a tee.  Soy actually causes apraxia in Maia, doesn't matter if it's been treated to be " safe for allergies " -- our reaction to it is not only an immune reaction -- Maia is also allergic to soy but I think that she may have a metabolic reaction to it. We've tried NN and she definitely reacts to it and it's not only that she's allergic to it but it worsens her apraxia.

I kind of want to blah blah blah about it but I still don't understand it very well yet.  All I know is that, if Maia tests positive for this, I think this might mean that it is triggered by soy with her -- or, rather, soy is the biggest trigger.  The reaction for her is not an immune reaction -- it's a metabolic reaction.  They cannot treat the soy to not trigger a metabolic reaction.

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Thank you alberta, very interesting info. I think I will trial a new omega and clo to see what happens (both ones we are using are NN). Do you have a rec on a replacement?Many thanks!-- Sent from my Palm Pre

The soy in it wouldn't be a problem for people whose issues are only with allergies. However, there are some kids whose issues with soy are more involved. I'm starting to see that Maia (and likely Ethan) might be in this group of kids.

Soy not only causes an allergic reaction for my kids -- soy causes apraxia very very quickly for us. In the past few days, another mom had brought up the possibility of a G6PD (glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase) deficiency. I hadn't ever heard of this and I didn't even know what this was until 2 days ago. I almost fell to the floor when I found out what it was. It describes my daughter to a tee. Soy actually causes apraxia in Maia, doesn't matter if it's been treated to be "safe for allergies" -- our reaction to it is not only an immune reaction -- Maia is also allergic to soy but I think that she may have a metabolic reaction to it. We've tried NN and she definitely reacts to it and it's not only that she's allergic to it but it worsens her apraxia.

I kind of want to blah blah blah about it but I still don't understand it very well yet. All I know is that, if Maia tests positive for this, I think this might mean that it is triggered by soy with her -- or, rather, soy is the biggest trigger. The reaction for her is not an immune reaction -- it's a metabolic reaction. They cannot treat the soy to not trigger a metabolic reaction.

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Some people are so allergic that they can't do the soy derived oil.There are some vitamin E that are not soy derived for the most sensitive.I agree with you is, that unless it's an IGE allergy, one should be ok.

Interestingly enough, in my attempt to avoid soy, I bought a sunflower seed oil vitamin E, and had a terrible IGE-like reaction to it.LOLI am IGE allergic to sesame and sunflower is a close cousin.

My battle to avoid " mixed tocopherols " ended there, and now I battle to avoidsunflower oil, which is being included in more supps now. SIGH.

 

, I have spoken to almost everyone including NN, kirkman, carlson, thorne and klaire and all of them told me the same thing that soy derived means that the products contain the vitamin E or the lipids derived from soybean oil but the soy protein which the children are allergic to is removed very early in the process so it should not be a problem. My dan and naturopath both believe that soybean oil is ok if child has no serious allergy and even allowed my friend's child to consume a spread made of soybean oil. So in my humble opinion, unless the child has a typical allergic reaction ranging from skin irritation, sneezing to anaphylaxis, soy derived products are fine. The vitaspectrum that I use for my son also contains soybean oil derived vitamin E. Nutrivene longvida also has some soybean oil. Most of the vitamin D liquids also contain soybean oil although carlson makes one with coconut oil which I have used with great results. But fish oil is even more difficult to find which does not have any soybean oil. I found the super EPA which is soy free but the capsule is humongous. Even SPEAK contains tocopherols derived from soybean. I hope this helps.

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> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; provide as much information as possible if it'll help even one

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good information from other

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> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; people here. The apraxia's a tough one to tackle...probably more

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> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had combined.

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with food. Someone

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that absorbs better with

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be absorbed and I

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain barrier and the

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is best. I give it just

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right after he has a

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm also finding

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty stomach, it'll make my

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Anything with " mixed tocopherols " will have some soy-derived vitamin e.You have to either get dl-tocopherol (lab created) - found on ourasdkids.com Kirkman product I think

or have the company say that their product does not contain soy-derived vitamin e.Some will say they have " no soy " and still have soy-derived oil. It's real messed up how they can twist that.Unique Tocotrienols has non-soy derived tocotrienols which are related to vitamin e.

http://www.vitacost.com/North-American-Herb-Spice-Purely-E-Sunflower-Seed-Vitamin-E this is a vitamin E with no soybean-derived

vitamin E.This one is the one I reacted really badly to (due to my sesame allergy)

 

Thank you alberta, very interesting info. I think I will trial a new omega and clo to see what happens (both ones we are using are NN).  Do you have a rec on a replacement?Many thanks!

-- Sent from my Palm Pre

 

The soy in it wouldn't be a problem for people whose issues are only with allergies.  However, there are some kids whose issues with soy are more involved.   I'm starting to see that Maia (and likely Ethan) might be in this group of kids.

Soy not only causes an allergic reaction for my kids -- soy causes apraxia very very quickly for us.  In the past few days, another mom had brought up the possibility of a G6PD (glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase) deficiency.  I hadn't ever heard of this and I didn't even know what this was until 2 days ago.  I almost fell to the floor when I found out what it was.  It describes my daughter to a tee.  Soy actually causes apraxia in Maia, doesn't matter if it's been treated to be " safe for allergies " -- our reaction to it is not only an immune reaction -- Maia is also allergic to soy but I think that she may have a metabolic reaction to it. We've tried NN and she definitely reacts to it and it's not only that she's allergic to it but it worsens her apraxia.

I kind of want to blah blah blah about it but I still don't understand it very well yet.  All I know is that, if Maia tests positive for this, I think this might mean that it is triggered by soy with her -- or, rather, soy is the biggest trigger.  The reaction for her is not an immune reaction -- it's a metabolic reaction.  They cannot treat the soy to not trigger a metabolic reaction.

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Everyone you ask will say it is OK except for parents whose kids have seizures

from soy and they will tell you it is not. I tend to think parents know best.

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> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Thanks, Tammy! : ) I hate this apraxia beast so much and I

want to

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; provide as much information as possible if it'll help even

one

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; person...heavens knows, I've gotten lots of good

information from other

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; people here. The apraxia's a tough one to

tackle...probably more

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; challenging than all the other ASD symptoms we've had

combined.

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Channa, I'm finding it better when I give our ALCAR with

food. Someone

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; mentioned on TLO that it's the only amino acid that

absorbs better with

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; food. She said that L-carnitine needs a carb load to be

absorbed and I

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; read somewhere else that since ALCAR crosses the brain

barrier and the

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; brain is ~90% fat, then giving it with fatty foods is

best. I give it just

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; before our EFAs now. With my son, giving L-carnitine right

after he has a

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; lot of starchy food makes him have an excellent poop. I'm

also finding

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; that if I give too much or if I give it on an empty

stomach, it'll make my

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; kids lose their appetite and not eat that meal.

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