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Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever experienced

with her.

Tag

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Wow Tag, that is seriously creepy. I could get a glimpse of how scary it was

for you just reading this...for a second holding my breath wondering what you

had to do to get out of the room. What level of contact do you have with your

nada these days? I totally agree with you the time to get out is when they are

self-supporting and physically well - I missed that boat too.

Still good for you for not letting her trap you in that room as if you were a

museum object yourself!

Eliza

>

> Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

>

> So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

>

> I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever experienced

with her.

>

> Tag

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Tag,

I'm sorry you had to go through that experience. It sounds even

more disturbing and creepy than typical nada behavior. I th ink

you're right to never go to her house alone again. It she goes

further down that path she could do something that really

endangers you. Do you think she could be developing some

age-related mental problems in addition to her BPD?

At 04:21 PM 12/07/2011 tagimit wrote:

>Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

>got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

>something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

>back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

>around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby

>shoes and other family momentos around the room like some

>bizarre museum display. When I realized she as blocking the

>door, I asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me

>with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She

>tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She

>also told me I was crazy and said " I hear it runs in

>families. " It was so creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking

>that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

>finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs

>until she crawled out of the way and let me out. I barely

>remember getting out of the house and into my car. The next

>thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my husband

>on the other end.

>

>So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

>new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's

>house again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out

>before the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

>

>I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

>ever experienced with her.

>

>Tag

>

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I agree that bpd gets worse with age. my 82 year old nada just went off on me

because she asked me to take a kitten she took in to the vet and it has a severe

infection she didn't want to pay for but when she said put it down and I said ok

(never intending to) she went off that I was giving her a guilt trip. Now

tonight at home she's screaming at me because my SO didn't call her back (given

how rude she's been and she was very clear to me in her intent) she's written

him off and flipped when I told her that he would be at her grandson's birthday

party saturday because it was NATHAN " s day and I wasn't going to let her play

the games she did with me, the invite is there but if you don't come it's your

decision not mine. Kitten is safely in a room with lots of meds. So yes, add

in age related mental illness with bpd and its a horror story even M.Night

Shaman wouldn't touch

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Tag,

I'm sorry you had to go through that experience. It sounds even

more disturbing and creepy than typical nada behavior. I th ink

you're right to never go to her house alone again. It she goes

further down that path she could do something that really

endangers you. Do you think she could be developing some

age-related mental problems in addition to her BPD?

At 04:21 PM 12/07/2011 tagimit wrote:

>Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

>got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

>something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

>back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

>around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby

>shoes and other family momentos around the room like some

>bizarre museum display. When I realized she as blocking the

>door, I asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me

>with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She

>tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She

>also told me I was crazy and said " I hear it runs in

>families. " It was so creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking

>that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

>finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs

>until she crawled out of the way and let me out. I barely

>remember getting out of the house and into my car. The next

>thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my husband

>on the other end.

>

>So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

>new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's

>house again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out

>before the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

>

>I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

>ever experienced with her.

>

>Tag

>

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Katrina

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(((((((Tag))))))))

Oh Honey, this is seriously creepy.

It is so hard to know what is potentially dementia related batsh*t

behavior, compounding BPD issues, and what is BPD batsh*t behavior

compounded by simple age related dis-inhibition. Either way, it is

seriously disturbing.

For the following reasons, tho, I think this smacks more of serious BPD

Gas-lighting.

First, she premeditated the encounter. Took advantage of the occasion of

your visit, ( did she call for you to come over, or take advantage of a

regular visit?)

Secondly, she planned the encounter far enough in advance to set the room

up,

Thirdly, she blocked / thwarted your ability/and intent, to leave, until

you were frightened and desperate,

Fourth, her intent to make you uncomfortable and frightened, as evidenced

by her statements, and telegraphing her intent to frighten you, taunting

you, " . . . does this room make you uncomfortable . . .? "

and Fifth, both in telling you that* you* are crazy, *and* the unsettling

comment about craziness running in families, implying that perhaps her own

mental stability is suspect, and heightening you feelings of fear and

un-safety.

In my experience, dementia related weirdness is much more random,

repetitive, disjointed., and not cohesively planned-out and acted on.

My own Nada is a pro at pulling completely off - the - wall crap,

like this, ( then, later, I hear from some friend of hers " but darlin,

your Momma loves you *so* much, are you *sure* you just didn't just *

misunderstand* what she meant, you know, she's getting older, and you

*can*be a little flighty!? " ) then claiming

*I* did something to *her*.

In my opinion, you may not be safe in her presence, either alone,

*or*with another family member, without an additional, neutral

party, such as

a social worker, or certified hospice worker. Regardless of the source of

her batsh*t behavior, she has made her bad intent toward you clear.

Luckily, due to her age, you may be able to get hospice to come in and

deal with her.

BPDs are capable of doing things, and setting up situations that few

non BPD folks can even imagine. As they age, they act out in service to

their disorder in more outrageous ways, using age, forgetfulness,

senility, and the threat of elder-abuse as trump cards. That being said,

an experienced hospice worker, or social worker, may understand the issues

better than the average person, and would be worthwhile investigating.

Because of these kinds of issues, I will never, ever, no matter what, be

alone with my Nada, nor will my husband or child. If she needs elder-care

help, and it is left up to me, she will have to go into managed care, and

we cannot, because of her own BPD machinations, accusations and lies, ever

visit her. Its really sad.

I'm so sorry this happened to you, this stuff really stinks, and their

timing is dead on, guaranteed to come at the worst possible times. Mine is

usually sure to act-out around the holidays.

Best of Luck, Sunspot

> **

>

>

> Tag,

> I'm sorry you had to go through that experience. It sounds even

> more disturbing and creepy than typical nada behavior. I th ink

> you're right to never go to her house alone again. It she goes

> further down that path she could do something that really

> endangers you. Do you think she could be developing some

> age-related mental problems in addition to her BPD?

>

>

> At 04:21 PM 12/07/2011 tagimit wrote:

> >Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

> >got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

> >something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

> >back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

> >around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby

> >shoes and other family momentos around the room like some

> >bizarre museum display. When I realized she as blocking the

> >door, I asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me

> >with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She

> >tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She

> >also told me I was crazy and said " I hear it runs in

> >families. " It was so creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking

> >that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

> >finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs

> >until she crawled out of the way and let me out. I barely

> >remember getting out of the house and into my car. The next

> >thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my husband

> >on the other end.

> >

> >So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

> >new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's

> >house again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out

> >before the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

> >

> >I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

> >ever experienced with her.

> >

> >Tag

> >

>

> --

> Katrina

>

>

>

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That would have totalally freaked me out.

Glad you are ok now, I wouldn't be going back.

Steph

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wouldn't let me leave

Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre

museum display. When I realized she as blocking the door, I

asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me with that

crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She tauntingly

asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so

creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking that if I didn't react,

she would move out of my way, but it finally ended with me

yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled out of

the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the

house and into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into

the cell phone with my husband on the other end.

So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house

again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out before

the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

ever experienced with her.

Tag

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How utterly sick. That gave me the chills. It felt almost...demonic.

Is it possible for you to stay away from her? She may be 89 but she sounds

either very much alert and able to push buttons all she wants, or she's

completely gone.

I'm so sorry. Good for you for not putting up with it and getting out of there.

Fiona

>

> Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

>

> So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

>

> I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever experienced

with her.

>

> Tag

>

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Thank you, Fiona. I have told my sister I will continue to help, but only if

she is with me. I have asked that my sister pick a day once a week where we

will both go over to do whatever mail or other stuff that needs to be done. I

will never step foot in there alone again. And you hit the nail on the head -

she may be 89, but she is still a force to be reckoned with. Of course,

everyone thinks she is the nicest little old lady they ever met. . .

Tag

> >

> > Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

> >

> > So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

> >

> > I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever

experienced with her.

> >

> > Tag

> >

>

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I found a big poster board put up in downstairs kitchen with old family photos

that traced the mother's side of the family. I agreed to myself it was a hidden

message, and nada's smirk confirmed it, but I was exploring my art training at

the time - and artists don't worry about other art in progress. The nada never

mentioned it, then a few weeks later took it down - but to this day it's said I

looked at everything, I understand her better, and I am still ungrateful for her

part in the family.

I never looked close at it once, and since then it's been hard for me to look at

family albums knowing that she's so smirky. That she gets some weird fix out of

it, my personal feelings. My personal sense of calm and tribe.

I can imagine you too - you didn't look hardly at anything. For some reason the

object became more important than the relationship. Your nada will likely never

connect that she used her body behavior psychopathologically against you.

It is very scary.

>

> Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

>

> So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

>

> I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever experienced

with her.

>

> Tag

>

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My new arrangement is that I will go every other week with my sister, making

sure my sister is there in the house before me. I am the " business " person in

the family, so I do the mail, paperwork, pay the few bills that don't get paid

automatically, hire any maintenance, etc. At this point, my sister will just be

there to run interference. I am not sure how good she will be in the role, but

it will allow me to continue to make sure Mom is okay and hopefully keep me

safe. It's the only way my husband would agree to let me continue to help her.

Thank you for your reply...it was as creepy as you think it was.

Tag

> >

> > Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

> >

> > So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

> >

> > I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever

experienced with her.

> >

> > Tag

> >

>

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I do think her age is playing a part in some things, but I have to say that this

episode is like other things I've seen her do for the past 40-some years. This

time, I got the sense that I was physically in danger. I know most people would

think it was crazy to say that since she's 89 years old and getting frail, but

when a BPD episode starts coursing through her veins, she is still as strong and

scary as she was when I was a little girl. I've often said that she looks like

one of those vampires in the old movies when they begin to come back to life.

Once the BPD takes over - she comes alive. That was the last time I will be

along in the house with her for sure.

> >Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

> >got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

> >something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

> >back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

> >around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby

> >shoes and other family momentos around the room like some

> >bizarre museum display. When I realized she as blocking the

> >door, I asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me

> >with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She

> >tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She

> >also told me I was crazy and said " I hear it runs in

> >families. " It was so creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking

> >that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

> >finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs

> >until she crawled out of the way and let me out. I barely

> >remember getting out of the house and into my car. The next

> >thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my husband

> >on the other end.

> >

> >So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

> >new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's

> >house again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out

> >before the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

> >

> >I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

> >ever experienced with her.

> >

> >Tag

> >

>

> --

> Katrina

>

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People sometimes make the mistake of thinking that physical

strength is the only thing that is important in considering

whether or not someone is a threat. If you're sufficiently

cunning, you don't need physical strength to harm someone. Nadas

tend to be very cunning. I hope your new plan to have your

sister there prevents any more incidents of this sort.

At 02:11 PM 12/09/2011 tagimit wrote:

>I do think her age is playing a part in some things, but I have

>to say that this episode is like other things I've seen her do

>for the past 40-some years. This time, I got the sense that I

>was physically in danger. I know most people would think it

>was crazy to say that since she's 89 years old and getting

>frail, but when a BPD episode starts coursing through her

>veins, she is still as strong and scary as she was when I was a

>little girl. I've often said that she looks like one of those

>vampires in the old movies when they begin to come back to

>life. Once the BPD takes over - she comes alive. That was the

>last time I will be along in the house with her for sure.

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Sunspot - let me tell you something - I needed this post from you. You broke it

down down down and it really helped me to read this. You really see it exactly

like it was. There is no way to explain the level of preparation and surprise

endings they can create when they decide they are going to get you. I will

remember what you have said here and will keep it in mind. My sister and I are

going to her house tomorrow and I will make sure there is no one between me and

the door. My Nada has historically kept her craziness under wraps around my

sister, so I'm hoping this strategy will work. Thank you again. I will post

the outcome of my visit sometime this weekend and I will take your words with me

when I go tomorrow.

Tag

> > >Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada

> > >got me into a bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me

> > >something " and then shut the door and sat on the floor with her

> > >back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put pictures all

> > >around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby

> > >shoes and other family momentos around the room like some

> > >bizarre museum display. When I realized she as blocking the

> > >door, I asked to leave, but she just sat there smiling at me

> > >with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one). She

> > >tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She

> > >also told me I was crazy and said " I hear it runs in

> > >families. " It was so creepy. I tried to ignore her thinking

> > >that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

> > >finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs

> > >until she crawled out of the way and let me out. I barely

> > >remember getting out of the house and into my car. The next

> > >thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my husband

> > >on the other end.

> > >

> > >So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a

> > >new level. Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's

> > >house again alone. I've said it before, make sure you get out

> > >before the BPD person in your life gets too old and dependent.

> > >

> > >I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have

> > >ever experienced with her.

> > >

> > >Tag

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Katrina

> >

> >

> >

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Whenever you are with her, make sure you keep your cell phone on your person,

too. If there is a next time, threaten to call the cops. Her behavior is very

frightening. Is there a care giver/dr you can relay this story to? It should be

written down somewhere in case she becomes unhinged with anyone else.

>

> Hi all - I just want to quickly share that my 89 year old Nada got me into a

bedroom at her house last weekend to " show me something " and then shut the door

and sat on the floor with her back to the door so I couldn't leave. She had put

pictures all around the room and opened a cedar chest and placed my baby shoes

and other family momentos around the room like some bizarre museum display.

When I realized she as blocking the door, I asked to leave, but she just sat

there smiling at me with that crazy look on her face (you guys know the one).

She tauntingly asked " is the room making you uncomfortable? " She also told me I

was crazy and said " I hear it runs in families. " It was so creepy. I tried to

ignore her thinking that if I didn't react, she would move out of my way, but it

finally ended with me yelling " MOVE " at the top of my lungs until she crawled

out of the way and let me out. I barely remember getting out of the house and

into my car. The next thing I knew I was crying into the cell phone with my

husband on the other end.

>

> So...the craziness continues and, in my case, has now reached a new level.

Suffice it to say, I will not ever go to Nada's house again alone. I've said it

before, make sure you get out before the BPD person in your life gets too old

and dependent.

>

> I am okay now, but this was one of the scariest things I have ever experienced

with her.

>

> Tag

>

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