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When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was 10.8. Now my

fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the day it rarely

goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as fasting, even

after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after meals and that

seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in the morning.

I am worrying because I hear others say they have heart attacks with

an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has been very stable

and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have lowered my BP -

today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but not red meats,

pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic free range eggs

from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, - well I am still

worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I have lost some

weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to lose 100 pounds,

have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the last week.

I am worried about dying of a heart attack, even though my BS and BP

are running much better ranges now and I am exercising regularly,

and eliminated saturated fats, except what might be present in the

chicken I eat (I do drain and skim it off).

I don't see the doctor until next week, was the soonest I could get

in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums having heart attacks

with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

Margaret

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> I don't see the doctor until next week, was the soonest I could get

> in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums having heart attacks

> with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

>

> Margaret

>

Margaret, there are so many other factors in having a heart attack.

You are doing the best you can and have done better than most I would

say in so short of time. I know if I focused on every aspect of risks

I have right now I would not be able to function. I do what I can

about what I know to do and what I can control and not worry about the

rest. If you would feel better, ask to see a cardiologist or have a

treadmill stress test to see what your risks really are. It's hard to

know all the details of those who have had heart attacks with better

numbers than yours. It is not always about BG numbers but many other

things. I think it's pretty normal to be worried when you first hear

all of these things. When we are reading and learning about all of

this it is pretty much shock factor about the reality of it. But

everything is not going to be the same for all of us. Just read about

symptoms and signs of heart attacks or strokes and be aware but try

not to worry. It's the not knowing that can cause more worry.

A1C tests are typically a 3 mo average but generally show the last

month or few weeks more accurately. So a person could in fact go

along with higher numbers for two months and then in one month go

really low and it all looks well. Guess what I want to say is the A1C

is not the total picture of risk factors. It could also be they had

diabetes for years uncontrolled or other problems you never heard

about. Genetics play a big factor. Multiple health problems contribute.

Make a list of concerns for your dr and discuss with him. If for

peace of mind you want further tests by all means ask for it. In the

meantime, don't feel like whatever happens to others will happen to

you. If you find out you can do something to lessen your risk then do

so otherwise don't worry about something that may or may not happen.

It kind of ruins the now time. Positive thoughts and outlook do a lot

to lessen risks of heart attacks too.

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Margaret I take Quercitin as a supplement saw it on the 700 club

recommended by a heart dr he had on there. This is the stuff found in the

skin of apples. It is also good for allergies. I know I used to get hives

everyday of my life especially in this Texas sun and it seems to be helping

with that too. Here is one article I found.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Quercetincs.html

Diabetes and heart disease.

When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was 10.8. Now my

fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the day it rarely

goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as fasting, even

after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after meals and that

seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in the morning.

I am worrying because I hear others say they have heart attacks with

an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has been very stable

and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have lowered my BP -

today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but not red meats,

pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic free range eggs

from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, - well I am still

worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I have lost some

weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to lose 100 pounds,

have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the last week.

I am worried about dying of a heart attack, even though my BS and BP

are running much better ranges now and I am exercising regularly,

and eliminated saturated fats, except what might be present in the

chicken I eat (I do drain and skim it off).

I don't see the doctor until next week, was the soonest I could get

in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums having heart attacks

with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

Margaret

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> When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was 10.8. Now my

> fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the day it rarely

> goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as fasting, even

> after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after meals and that

> seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in the morning.

>

> I am worrying because I hear others say they have heart attacks

with

> an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has been very stable

> and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have lowered my

BP -

> today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but not red meats,

> pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic free range eggs

> from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, - well I am still

> worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I have lost some

> weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to lose 100 pounds,

> have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the last week.

>

> I am worried about dying of a heart attack, even though my BS and

BP

> are running much better ranges now and I am exercising regularly,

> and eliminated saturated fats, except what might be present in the

> chicken I eat (I do drain and skim it off).

>

> I don't see the doctor until next week, was the soonest I could

get

> in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums having heart

attacks

> with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

>

> Margaret

>

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> When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was 10.8. Now my

> fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the day it rarely

> goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as fasting, even

> after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after meals and that

> seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in the morning.

>

> I am worrying because I hear others say they have heart attacks

with

> an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has been very stable

> and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have lowered my

BP -

> today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but not red meats,

> pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic free range eggs

> from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, - well I am still

> worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I have lost some

> weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to lose 100 pounds,

> have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the last week.

>

Sorry for sending that blank - accidentally hit the send key.

Unfortunately, there are no guarantees. Plenty of non-diabetics

have heart attacks. All we can do is the best we can. You are

doing all the right things. You just need to continue doing them.

You don't need to lose the weight over night, so don't obsess about

plateauing for a week or so. It happens with any diet. Your diet

is good (actually lean pork is fine to eat). You're getting regualr

exercise.

You should have your lipids checked. I assume your blood pressure

is normal or controlled on medication. I assume you don't smoke.

Those are all essential.

Generally an aspirin a day is recommended. There is good evidence

it lowers the incidence of strokes in women, and may lower heart

attacks. There is pretty good evidence that taking 2 mg. a day of

folic acid can lower the chance of a heart attack. The role of anti-

oxidants is unclear. In normal doses, they can't hurt you.

An exercise test is reasonable to do. It sometimes can pick up very

early significant coronary artery that could potentially be treated

with angioplasty.

BTW, an A1c of 8 or 9 is still very abnormal. If your blood sugars

are running where you say they are, you should be well under 6.

Ron

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> Margaret I take Quercitin as a supplement saw it on the 700 club

> recommended by a heart dr he had on there. This is the stuff

found in the

> skin of apples. It is also good for allergies. I know I used to

get hives

> everyday of my life especially in this Texas sun and it seems to

be helping

> with that too. Here is one article I found.

> http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Quercetincs.html

>

>

Thanks for mentioning that. I forgot about recommending

bioflavonoids. The ones available from food - chocolate, red wine,

grape juice and a number of other sources - do help reduce heart

attacks. I'd be hesitant about relying on individual biofavonoids

like quercitin since it hasn't been clearly demonstrated to be

effective in humans. The ones in foods are more complex mixtures of

compounds.

In addition, the alcohol in wine and other beverages taken in small

amounts every day also lower the incidence of heart attacks and

strokes. Obviously, alcohol shouldn't be drunk to excess or by

those with liver disease and some other conditions. Check with your

doctor.

Ron

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/healthy_recipes_for_diabetic_friends

all recipes, no spam.

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I myself had a heart attack eight years ago. The risk

factor I am told to watch mainly is cholesterol. Keep

the LDL down and the HDL high. That is mainly a matter

of avoiding saturated fat and trans fats (such as from

the partially hyrodgenated oils that you see listed on

packaged foods). Instead consume more monounsaturated

fats, which are in olive oil and nuts. But avoiding

obesity is important, too.

Shively

--- margaret redmountainfarm@...> wrote:

> When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was

> 10.8. Now my

> fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the

> day it rarely

> goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as

> fasting, even

> after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after

> meals and that

> seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in

> the morning.

>

> I am worrying because I hear others say they have

> heart attacks with

> an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has

> been very stable

> and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have

> lowered my BP -

> today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but

> not red meats,

> pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic

> free range eggs

> from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, -

> well I am still

> worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I

> have lost some

> weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to

> lose 100 pounds,

> have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the

> last week.

>

> I am worried about dying of a heart attack, even

> though my BS and BP

> are running much better ranges now and I am

> exercising regularly,

> and eliminated saturated fats, except what might be

> present in the

> chicken I eat (I do drain and skim it off).

>

> I don't see the doctor until next week, was the

> soonest I could get

> in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums

> having heart attacks

> with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

>

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> Margaret I take Quercitin as a supplement saw it on the 700 club

> recommended by a heart dr he had on there. This is the stuff found in

> the

> skin of apples. It is also good for allergies. I know I used to get

> hives

> everyday of my life especially in this Texas sun and it seems to be

> helping

> with that too. Here is one article I found.

> http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Quercetincs.html

I'm always hesitant to take any supplements unless recommended by my

physician. Many times they are a waste of money (for years, mega doses of

Vitamin C was recommended to fight colds, but the truth is that excess

amounts are passed through the urine and never used by the body), or they

are later questioned about their safety (Omega 3 fatty acids were promoted

as a prevention to some cancers, but this year the claim is that they aren't

really effective and there is some concern in balancing them with Omega 6

fatty acids).

By all means, if you take them and you feel they benefit you, keep right on

doing it. My own personal opinion is that there is a significant benefit.

I'll stick with my 'once daily' multi-vitiman (I get a store brand) and I'm

not even convinced that they really do much, but my healthcare team did

recommend that I do this.

Mike

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 12:11:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

redmountainfarm@... writes:

I don't see the doctor until next week, was the soonest I could get

in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums having heart attacks

with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

Hi Margaret,

I had very aggressive breast cancer 11 years ago. My oncologist wasn't sure

I would survive and here I am today very healthy. I could worry about it

coming back but I don't. My attitude is that God healed me of cancer and He

doesn't do anything half way.

There are lots of people that don't have diabetes, but they have heart

attacks. I know people that have had diabetes for many years and they are

still

healthy. Anyone could get in their car tomorrow and drive down the street and

get hit by someone else.

We do the best we can and hope that we stay healthy. Worrying will only

make things worse.

hugs

Eunice

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Well this was recommend by a heart dr.

sharon

Re: Diabetes and heart disease.

>

> Margaret I take Quercitin as a supplement saw it on the 700 club

> recommended by a heart dr he had on there. This is the stuff

found in the

> skin of apples. It is also good for allergies. I know I used to

get hives

> everyday of my life especially in this Texas sun and it seems to

be helping

> with that too. Here is one article I found.

> http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Quercetincs.html

>

>

Thanks for mentioning that. I forgot about recommending

bioflavonoids. The ones available from food - chocolate, red wine,

grape juice and a number of other sources - do help reduce heart

attacks. I'd be hesitant about relying on individual biofavonoids

like quercitin since it hasn't been clearly demonstrated to be

effective in humans. The ones in foods are more complex mixtures of

compounds.

In addition, the alcohol in wine and other beverages taken in small

amounts every day also lower the incidence of heart attacks and

strokes. Obviously, alcohol shouldn't be drunk to excess or by

those with liver disease and some other conditions. Check with your

doctor.

Ron

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/healthy_recipes_for_diabetic_friends

all recipes, no spam.

Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/

To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to:

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> In addition, the alcohol in wine and other beverages taken in small

> amounts every day also lower the incidence of heart attacks and

> strokes. Obviously, alcohol shouldn't be drunk to excess or by

> those with liver disease and some other conditions. Check with your

> doctor.

>

> Ron

It also should not be consumed with most of these meds that diabetics

are taking. Right on the labels there are warnings against it. How

does one work around that?

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> Well this was recommend by a heart dr.

>

> sharon

>

Sharon,

I know who you are referring to on that particular show and I would

trust what they say and trust your own judgment. Not everyone is into

the same type of health interests.

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I dun' know here. I have high and low blood sugar. It has always

seemed that having a little wine every day made me feel sick. Though I

think, generally, it also temporarily lowers the blood sugar...

Janie

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> -

> > In addition, the alcohol in wine and other beverages taken in small

> > amounts every day also lower the incidence of heart attacks and

> > strokes. Obviously, alcohol shouldn't be drunk to excess or by

> > those with liver disease and some other conditions. Check with

your

> > doctor.

> >

> > Ron

>

>

> It also should not be consumed with most of these meds that diabetics

> are taking. Right on the labels there are warnings against it. How

> does one work around that?

>

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> > In addition, the alcohol in wine and other beverages taken in

small

> > amounts every day also lower the incidence of heart attacks and

> > strokes. Obviously, alcohol shouldn't be drunk to excess or by

> > those with liver disease and some other conditions. Check with

your

> > doctor.

> >

> > Ron

>

>

> It also should not be consumed with most of these meds that

diabetics

> are taking. Right on the labels there are warnings against it. How

> does one work around that?

>

Small amounts of alcohol (1-2 drinks a day) have minimal effect on

blood sugar.

While warning labels are important, they are often more driven by

liability concerns than medical reality. Since alcohol in large

quantity can cause hypoglycemia, and if taken in large quantity over

a long period or massive quantity over a shorter tiem can cause

liver damage, they will stick a label warning not to take with

alcohol on any medication that lowers blood sugar or has potential

liver toxicity. Check with your doctor.

Ron

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> While warning labels are important, they are often more driven by

> liability concerns than medical reality.

aha.....that's kind of what I thought.....thanks Ron.

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Hi Margaret,

You are doing everything you can to keep your heart

healthy. In my case, heart disease runs in both sides

of my family. There are some things you cant prevent.

Do what you can and try to cut out the worrying.

Good luck and good health!

-Sunny

--- margaret redmountainfarm@...> wrote:

> When I was diagnosed the beginning of May my A1c was

> 10.8. Now my

> fasting is usually between 90 and 105. During the

> day it rarely

> goes over 110, and usually is in the same range as

> fasting, even

> after eating because I always walk 1/2 hour after

> meals and that

> seems to be helping a lot, and also on metformin in

> the morning.

>

> I am worrying because I hear others say they have

> heart attacks with

> an A1c of even 8 or 9. So even though my BS has

> been very stable

> and running in good ranges and I am exercising, have

> lowered my BP -

> today was 120/78, and am eating low carbs also, but

> not red meats,

> pork, etc., just chicken, fish and my own organic

> free range eggs

> from my own hens, healthy oils,and vegetables, -

> well I am still

> worried about dropping dead of a heart attack. I

> have lost some

> weight, but am still grossly overweight, need to

> lose 100 pounds,

> have already lost 30 in, but on a plateau for the

> last week.

>

> I am worried about dying of a heart attack, even

> though my BS and BP

> are running much better ranges now and I am

> exercising regularly,

> and eliminated saturated fats, except what might be

> present in the

> chicken I eat (I do drain and skim it off).

>

> I don't see the doctor until next week, was the

> soonest I could get

> in, but I hear so many on these diabetic forums

> having heart attacks

> with an A1c lower than mine was, so I am worried.

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

>

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