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And I'm still working on some of the safety things with my counselor. So I

thought I'd share them here first, before counseling today after work.

I'll start at the beginning. Last Friday, I went for a bike ride with my husband

along a popular trail in the city--but then a dirt clod from his last ride

caused chain " suck, " stopping his bike suddenly, causing him to fly over the

handlebars. He landed on his face, broke his nose and two front teeth. We had to

go to the hospital to stop his blood flow and get stitches. I kept remarkably

calm--the EMT said as much, that other wives would be freaking out by then. I

fainted when they were prepping him for the stitches.

While we were in the hospital, I started worrying, quietly, about money. Money

seems strange to me--I attach emotion to it, and feel like it's going to

disappear. I trace this back to fada, who always worried about money and

complained about bills, esp. hospital bills. (Even though fada made over 200K

for several years--we were always living paycheck to paycheck somehow?) Anyway,

I didn't want to tell Jeff this at the time, because we both were more concerned

about him getting patched up. And I felt really guilty for even thinking about

money, that I tried to push it out of my mind. I really didn't want to end up

like fada, and guilt DH or anything. But I can never actually push things out of

my mind.

Saturday, I did pretty good. After Mass, I made some cookies, and then the

temporary crown came off of the tooth (after my root canal) and cracked while I

was eating, and then I started freaking out about it. Both DH and I were eating

soft foods because of my dental stuff and his dental stuff. I had just gone i

nfor the preparation for my permanent crown, and it was a lot of $$ and i was

worried about that.

I started freaking out about money, and went to bed to cry and had a mini-break

down and let all the emotions out. Things always hit me in a delayed

reaction--and this was the delayed reaciton, and I felt really bad for DH--he's

the one recovering, and I felt like I should have stayed stronger so I could

support him as he healed.

Sunday, I was eating very scarecly because of the tooth, not wanting to

accidentally damage it without the crown on. When I came home, both DH and I

were starving, since he was eating only soft foods. We got into an

argument...neither one of us was feeling very good, and we were both starving.

It was a stupid argument. So I started trying to make dinner, and realized we

had no clean dishes. So I started doing the dishwasher, but the kittens we

foster kept getting up into it. So I used a spraybottle that you can use to

train cats not to climb certain things (give them a squirt) and once I thought

the cat was going to climb on top so I squirted him preemptively. (All the while

I was starting to freak out, but was trying to keep control of myself).

DH said that it was abusive to punish a cat when it hadn't done anything wrong,

and that really really upset me. I didn't want to be abusive! I started freaking

out even more--how can I ever be a good mother someday if I can't even treat the

foster kittens right? I went to lay down and rest--I was exhausted from work and

from stress, and then DH was worried about dinner that I left on the stove. I

told him he could do it, but he said he wasn't feeling well either, and might go

out to dinner. I told him, I thought we weren't eating out in order to afford my

counseling, and said that I'll skip counseling this week. He said no, I really

needed to be counseled.

In frustration, I said, " I just feel like screaming and jumping off the

building! " Not that I would ever do such a thing, but DH freaked out about this

percieved suicide threat, and that freaked me out even more. I was such a case.

One of our older cats, not a foster, came and lay down on my stomach and purred,

which calmed me down enough to finish dinner and eat it. But I was just crying

most of the night--and felt really disturbed by teh whole thing.

A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best effort, i

felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do actually have enough

in savings to handle everything).

B) I had a breakdown

C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I would

never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the stories

on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared that I

won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for my

somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel like

jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd never said

it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know that it's

never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor would think

of it.

I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I was

horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in my body.

Pain of fear.

And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a while.

Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing, may God

bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my stories.

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The way I look at it is that everyone has their breaking point. I can usually

juggle two or three issues at a time, meaning negative things that need dealing

with, but add in a fourth and I have reached my capacity. I can't handle that

fourth thing too. I break down.

Other people can only deal with one or two things at a time, while others can

juggle a dozen stressful, negative issues at a time with no problem.

You had the subliminal stress of Father's Day that triggered unpleasant,

stressful memories for you, then your own recent dental surgery/temporary

crown, then your husband's accident, then your crown fell off, all of which also

triggered your worries about money. With both of you being in pain and needing

care, soothing and nurturing *at the same time*, you couldn't effectively be

there for each other. When you weren't able to receive the soothing and

nurturing you needed from each other, you didn't know how to deal with it, and

you both " broke down " at the same time. He got cranky and critical, and you

became depressed and withdrawing.

The way that episode evolved seems quite understandable to me, it was kind of a

" perfect storm " to brew up stress.

So, maybe just think of this as a learning experience, something that's letting

you know yourself better. If you share this with your therapist, I bet he or

she can give you some handy tools for staying more " in the moment " , allowing you

to recognize when the stressful things are getting to be too much for you to

juggle at one time.

If you can come to *recognize when you're approaching your breaking point*, you

can do things to self-soothe and reduce your stress and anxiety.

So, that's great that you have a good therapist; this is the kind of

meat-and-potatoes stuff that therapists are very effective with. Its nothing to

be ashamed of or worried about, and in my opinion the fact that you already have

insight and you care about others' feelings and you want to change, that means

you are way ahead of the game already.

I hope that helps.

-Annie

>

> And I'm still working on some of the safety things with my counselor. So I

thought I'd share them here first, before counseling today after work.

>

> I'll start at the beginning. Last Friday, I went for a bike ride with my

husband along a popular trail in the city--but then a dirt clod from his last

ride caused chain " suck, " stopping his bike suddenly, causing him to fly over

the handlebars. He landed on his face, broke his nose and two front teeth. We

had to go to the hospital to stop his blood flow and get stitches. I kept

remarkably calm--the EMT said as much, that other wives would be freaking out by

then. I fainted when they were prepping him for the stitches.

>

> While we were in the hospital, I started worrying, quietly, about money. Money

seems strange to me--I attach emotion to it, and feel like it's going to

disappear. I trace this back to fada, who always worried about money and

complained about bills, esp. hospital bills. (Even though fada made over 200K

for several years--we were always living paycheck to paycheck somehow?) Anyway,

I didn't want to tell Jeff this at the time, because we both were more concerned

about him getting patched up. And I felt really guilty for even thinking about

money, that I tried to push it out of my mind. I really didn't want to end up

like fada, and guilt DH or anything. But I can never actually push things out of

my mind.

>

> Saturday, I did pretty good. After Mass, I made some cookies, and then the

temporary crown came off of the tooth (after my root canal) and cracked while I

was eating, and then I started freaking out about it. Both DH and I were eating

soft foods because of my dental stuff and his dental stuff. I had just gone i

nfor the preparation for my permanent crown, and it was a lot of $$ and i was

worried about that.

>

> I started freaking out about money, and went to bed to cry and had a

mini-break down and let all the emotions out. Things always hit me in a delayed

reaction--and this was the delayed reaciton, and I felt really bad for DH--he's

the one recovering, and I felt like I should have stayed stronger so I could

support him as he healed.

>

> Sunday, I was eating very scarecly because of the tooth, not wanting to

accidentally damage it without the crown on. When I came home, both DH and I

were starving, since he was eating only soft foods. We got into an

argument...neither one of us was feeling very good, and we were both starving.

It was a stupid argument. So I started trying to make dinner, and realized we

had no clean dishes. So I started doing the dishwasher, but the kittens we

foster kept getting up into it. So I used a spraybottle that you can use to

train cats not to climb certain things (give them a squirt) and once I thought

the cat was going to climb on top so I squirted him preemptively. (All the while

I was starting to freak out, but was trying to keep control of myself).

>

> DH said that it was abusive to punish a cat when it hadn't done anything

wrong, and that really really upset me. I didn't want to be abusive! I started

freaking out even more--how can I ever be a good mother someday if I can't even

treat the foster kittens right? I went to lay down and rest--I was exhausted

from work and from stress, and then DH was worried about dinner that I left on

the stove. I told him he could do it, but he said he wasn't feeling well either,

and might go out to dinner. I told him, I thought we weren't eating out in order

to afford my counseling, and said that I'll skip counseling this week. He said

no, I really needed to be counseled.

>

> In frustration, I said, " I just feel like screaming and jumping off the

building! " Not that I would ever do such a thing, but DH freaked out about this

percieved suicide threat, and that freaked me out even more. I was such a case.

>

> One of our older cats, not a foster, came and lay down on my stomach and

purred, which calmed me down enough to finish dinner and eat it. But I was just

crying most of the night--and felt really disturbed by teh whole thing.

>

> A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best effort, i

felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do actually have enough

in savings to handle everything).

> B) I had a breakdown

> C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I would

never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the stories

on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

>

> I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared that I

won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for my

somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel like

jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd never said

it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know that it's

never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

>

> but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor would

think of it.

>

> I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

>

> Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I was

horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in my body.

Pain of fear.

>

> And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a while.

>

> Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing, may God

bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my stories.

>

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Thanks, Annie--having another perspective on things helps so much. It really

does.

It really was a perfect storm of a weekend. I'm so glad to have three days

off this weekend, so DH and I can both fully recover and recuperate.

I will definitely work with my counselor to try to develop skills for

self-soothing. We did a little bit last Thursday in advance of Father's

Day, but I think all that went out the window with the perfect storm. I

guess it shows I definitely need more work in that area.

Holly

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM, anuria67854 wrote:

> **

>

>

> The way I look at it is that everyone has their breaking point. I can

> usually juggle two or three issues at a time, meaning negative things that

> need dealing with, but add in a fourth and I have reached my capacity. I

> can't handle that fourth thing too. I break down.

>

> Other people can only deal with one or two things at a time, while others

> can juggle a dozen stressful, negative issues at a time with no problem.

>

> You had the subliminal stress of Father's Day that triggered unpleasant,

> stressful memories for you, then your own recent dental surgery/temporary

> crown, then your husband's accident, then your crown fell off, all of which

> also triggered your worries about money. With both of you being in pain and

> needing care, soothing and nurturing *at the same time*, you couldn't

> effectively be there for each other. When you weren't able to receive the

> soothing and nurturing you needed from each other, you didn't know how to

> deal with it, and you both " broke down " at the same time. He got cranky and

> critical, and you became depressed and withdrawing.

>

> The way that episode evolved seems quite understandable to me, it was kind

> of a " perfect storm " to brew up stress.

>

> So, maybe just think of this as a learning experience, something that's

> letting you know yourself better. If you share this with your therapist, I

> bet he or she can give you some handy tools for staying more " in the

> moment " , allowing you to recognize when the stressful things are getting to

> be too much for you to juggle at one time.

>

> If you can come to *recognize when you're approaching your breaking point*,

> you can do things to self-soothe and reduce your stress and anxiety.

>

> So, that's great that you have a good therapist; this is the kind of

> meat-and-potatoes stuff that therapists are very effective with. Its nothing

> to be ashamed of or worried about, and in my opinion the fact that you

> already have insight and you care about others' feelings and you want to

> change, that means you are way ahead of the game already.

>

> I hope that helps.

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> >

> > And I'm still working on some of the safety things with my counselor. So

> I thought I'd share them here first, before counseling today after work.

> >

> > I'll start at the beginning. Last Friday, I went for a bike ride with my

> husband along a popular trail in the city--but then a dirt clod from his

> last ride caused chain " suck, " stopping his bike suddenly, causing him to

> fly over the handlebars. He landed on his face, broke his nose and two front

> teeth. We had to go to the hospital to stop his blood flow and get stitches.

> I kept remarkably calm--the EMT said as much, that other wives would be

> freaking out by then. I fainted when they were prepping him for the

> stitches.

> >

> > While we were in the hospital, I started worrying, quietly, about money.

> Money seems strange to me--I attach emotion to it, and feel like it's going

> to disappear. I trace this back to fada, who always worried about money and

> complained about bills, esp. hospital bills. (Even though fada made over

> 200K for several years--we were always living paycheck to paycheck somehow?)

> Anyway, I didn't want to tell Jeff this at the time, because we both were

> more concerned about him getting patched up. And I felt really guilty for

> even thinking about money, that I tried to push it out of my mind. I really

> didn't want to end up like fada, and guilt DH or anything. But I can never

> actually push things out of my mind.

> >

> > Saturday, I did pretty good. After Mass, I made some cookies, and then

> the temporary crown came off of the tooth (after my root canal) and cracked

> while I was eating, and then I started freaking out about it. Both DH and I

> were eating soft foods because of my dental stuff and his dental stuff. I

> had just gone i nfor the preparation for my permanent crown, and it was a

> lot of $$ and i was worried about that.

> >

> > I started freaking out about money, and went to bed to cry and had a

> mini-break down and let all the emotions out. Things always hit me in a

> delayed reaction--and this was the delayed reaciton, and I felt really bad

> for DH--he's the one recovering, and I felt like I should have stayed

> stronger so I could support him as he healed.

> >

> > Sunday, I was eating very scarecly because of the tooth, not wanting to

> accidentally damage it without the crown on. When I came home, both DH and I

> were starving, since he was eating only soft foods. We got into an

> argument...neither one of us was feeling very good, and we were both

> starving. It was a stupid argument. So I started trying to make dinner, and

> realized we had no clean dishes. So I started doing the dishwasher, but the

> kittens we foster kept getting up into it. So I used a spraybottle that you

> can use to train cats not to climb certain things (give them a squirt) and

> once I thought the cat was going to climb on top so I squirted him

> preemptively. (All the while I was starting to freak out, but was trying to

> keep control of myself).

> >

> > DH said that it was abusive to punish a cat when it hadn't done anything

> wrong, and that really really upset me. I didn't want to be abusive! I

> started freaking out even more--how can I ever be a good mother someday if I

> can't even treat the foster kittens right? I went to lay down and rest--I

> was exhausted from work and from stress, and then DH was worried about

> dinner that I left on the stove. I told him he could do it, but he said he

> wasn't feeling well either, and might go out to dinner. I told him, I

> thought we weren't eating out in order to afford my counseling, and said

> that I'll skip counseling this week. He said no, I really needed to be

> counseled.

> >

> > In frustration, I said, " I just feel like screaming and jumping off the

> building! " Not that I would ever do such a thing, but DH freaked out about

> this percieved suicide threat, and that freaked me out even more. I was such

> a case.

> >

> > One of our older cats, not a foster, came and lay down on my stomach and

> purred, which calmed me down enough to finish dinner and eat it. But I was

> just crying most of the night--and felt really disturbed by teh whole thing.

>

> >

> > A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best

> effort, i felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do

> actually have enough in savings to handle everything).

> > B) I had a breakdown

> > C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I

> would never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the

> stories on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

> >

> > I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared

> that I won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for

> my somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel

> like jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd

> never said it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know

> that it's never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

> >

> > but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor

> would think of it.

> >

> > I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

> >

> > Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I

> was horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in

> my body. Pain of fear.

> >

> > And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a while.

> >

> > Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing,

> may God bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my

> stories.

> >

>

>

>

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A) I worry about money too. Last week we had to make quarterly tax payments. The

stress of figuring the amount, rechecking from last quarter, moving money from

one account to the checking. I am terrified I am doing it all wrong or

compromising our finances, even though I have had positive feedback that I am

doing this correctly for years. This exercise turned my bowels to water for

days. Isn't that SILLY? Our parents have taught us to worry this way through

their messed up modeling.

B) You broke down. We all have breaking points. Did you injure yourself or

another? Did you dissociate? Are you Wonder Woman? Atlas? No! You are a human

being, not a super hero.

C) The statement about jumping off a building was said at the height of your

feelings of frustration, of hopelessness. Did you actually plan to do it? No!

You just wanted relief--to get away from it all, to hide your head in the sand

for just a few minutes of peace. WE ALL make similiar statements when we hit

that misery wall. It is not the same as threatening to kill yourself like your

fada did.

You should bring this all up with your counselor. You sound like you are feeling

guilty for FEELING NORMAL EMOTIONS at times of extreme frustration. I could be a

breakthough moment for you to get validation that you are entitled to have these

feeling, and to express them.

>

> >

> >

> > A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best effort,

i felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do actually have

enough in savings to handle everything).

> > B) I had a breakdown

> > C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I would

never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the stories

on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

> >

> > I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared that I

won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for my

somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel like

jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd never said

it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know that it's

never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

> >

> > but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor would

think of it.

> >

> > I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

> >

> > Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I was

horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in my body.

Pain of fear.

> >

> > And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a while.

> >

> > Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing, may

God bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my stories.

> >

>

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Thanks, echobabe! It feels so much better to know I'm not the only one who

feels like this sometimes!

I feel much better about bringing this up with my counselor later today, so

I can discuss it with her.

It's just sometimes I wonder if I'm secretly BPD--maybe all I need is a flea

collar, lol.

Let's hope nobody has to go to the hospital this weekend :)

> **

>

>

> A) I worry about money too. Last week we had to make quarterly tax

> payments. The stress of figuring the amount, rechecking from last quarter,

> moving money from one account to the checking. I am terrified I am doing it

> all wrong or compromising our finances, even though I have had positive

> feedback that I am doing this correctly for years. This exercise turned my

> bowels to water for days. Isn't that SILLY? Our parents have taught us to

> worry this way through their messed up modeling.

>

> B) You broke down. We all have breaking points. Did you injure yourself or

> another? Did you dissociate? Are you Wonder Woman? Atlas? No! You are a

> human being, not a super hero.

>

> C) The statement about jumping off a building was said at the height of

> your feelings of frustration, of hopelessness. Did you actually plan to do

> it? No! You just wanted relief--to get away from it all, to hide your head

> in the sand for just a few minutes of peace. WE ALL make similiar statements

> when we hit that misery wall. It is not the same as threatening to kill

> yourself like your fada did.

>

> You should bring this all up with your counselor. You sound like you are

> feeling guilty for FEELING NORMAL EMOTIONS at times of extreme frustration.

> I could be a breakthough moment for you to get validation that you are

> entitled to have these feeling, and to express them.

>

> >

> > >

>

> > >

> > > A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best

> effort, i felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do

> actually have enough in savings to handle everything).

> > > B) I had a breakdown

> > > C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I

> would never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the

> stories on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

> > >

> > > I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared

> that I won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for

> my somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel

> like jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd

> never said it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know

> that it's never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

> > >

> > > but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor

> would think of it.

> > >

> > > I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

> > >

> > > Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I

> was horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in

> my body. Pain of fear.

> > >

> > > And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a

> while.

> > >

> > > Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing,

> may God bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my

> stories.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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Have a great session! (and no more trips to emergency)

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > A) I worried too much about money like my fada, and despite my best

> > effort, i felt like I might have upset DH (DH has reassured me, we do

> > actually have enough in savings to handle everything).

> > > > B) I had a breakdown

> > > > C) In that breakdown, I made what amoutns to a suicide threat though I

> > would never do such thing, and that made me afraid. Especially after all the

> > stories on here about nadas using suicide threats to guilt-trip people?

> > > >

> > > > I am still horribly scared of becoming like fada, I'm horribly scared

> > that I won't ever be a good mother myself in the future, and I'm ashamed for

> > my somewhat of a suicide statement. I've always thought things like " I feel

> > like jumping off a building " during my major depressive episodes but I'd

> > never said it aloud, and I would never follow through with it because I know

> > that it's never the answer to anything. I love life too much.

> > > >

> > > > but I am still afraid I'm crazy. And I'm afraid of what my counselor

> > would think of it.

> > > >

> > > > I'm finally recovering a little bit by pushing everything back down.

> > > >

> > > > Oh also, Sunday being father's day, that always put me on such edge. I

> > was horribly angry all day Sunday, having psychosomatic effects of pain in

> > my body. Pain of fear.

> > > >

> > > > And I've had a few nightmares about fada, which I hadn't had in a

> > while.

> > > >

> > > > Okay, I'm just rambling at this point. If you've read the whole thing,

> > may God bless you! And thanks for being a safe place for me to tell my

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