Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

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Hi everyone,

My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his turn,

academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and today

he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went up on

the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with sandwich

bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on his rice

crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried

chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol

sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related

to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance

for any help.

is

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id go with all the dried fruit he had...phenol,salicates?

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 8:21 PMSubject: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Hi everyone,My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for any help.is

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In my house it would definitely be the salicylates in the strawberries and

raisins. Because you are not sure, if I were you I would drop back to your

regular dose of EPA/DHA and wait until he is back to baseline and then try to

increase again. Hopefully nothing else will happen on the same day again! I

hate that - when two changes inadvertently take place on the same day and you

don't know what's to blame! I hope he feels better soon!

Cathy

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> Hi everyone,

> My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his turn,

academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and today

he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went up on

the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with sandwich

bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on his rice

crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried

chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol

sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related

to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance

for any help.

> is

>

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Thanks Channa and Cathy! Another issue is that I am supposed to start

fluconazole tonight/tomorrow(yeast flare). I gave him 11/2 dose of nophenol and

epsom salt foot soak. He is calm now. Will see till tomorrow and if things seem

better then will start it. I will reduce the fish oil dose but I have a strong

feeling that it is phenol/salicylate issue. Probably that was the reason he

could never tolerate natural remedies like Ole etc.

is

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> > Hi everyone,

> > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and

today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went

up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with

sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on

his rice crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and

banana dried chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like

this is phenol sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school.

Could it be related to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much

phenol? Thanks in advance for any help.

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What's in the banana chips? Some have weird crap. I found some this weekend that were just a couple ingredients, nothing weird. Oh but raisins are bad here too.

 

Hi everyone,

My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for any help.

is

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I use Brothers apple, pear, banana and strawberry chips. They are freeze dried

fruits without any other ingredients. I get it from costco and each box contains

10 apple chips, 5 pear and 5 banana+strawberry chips so mostly he gets apple

chips. I cannot find many healthy snack options for school and teachers keep

asking me for snack reinforcers. I have stopped using potato chips, fruit

juices. Would love to get some new snack ideas for school especially organic

ones.

is

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> > Hi everyone,

> > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

> > turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy

> > yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes

> > I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making

> > some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet,

> > teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually

> > tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh

> > banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He

> > didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going

> > up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for

> > any help.

> > is

> >

> >

> >

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Whole foods here carries a line of freeze dried organic fruits, called "Organic Just Bananas" "Organic just raspberries" etc. We also get organic cranberries and organic nuts (but schools dont usually allow the nuts)....i'm having a hard time too finding good snack options and just read in the SCIA medical treatment about limiting all fruits except cranberries, limes, lemons and something else..ugh.... To:

mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

I use Brothers apple, pear, banana and strawberry chips. They are freeze dried fruits without any other ingredients. I get it from costco and each box contains 10 apple chips, 5 pear and 5 banana+strawberry chips so mostly he gets apple chips. I cannot find many healthy snack options for school and teachers keep asking me for snack reinforcers. I have stopped using potato chips, fruit juices. Would love to get some new snack ideas for school especially organic ones.

is

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> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

> > turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy

> > yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes

> > I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making

> > some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet,

> > teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually

> > tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh

> > banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He

> > didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going

> > up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for

> > any help.

> > is

> >

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> >

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How do you explain this to the school? They think that mouthing that my son has

is related to being hungry and he needs frequent snacks. I have been using food

allergies, acid reflux as the reasons for not sending too many snacks. I

sometimes have to use my profession and some medical jargon to influence them

otherwise they can simply state that I am starving my child by not sending in

any juices or chips. Honestly speaking, I would actually deliver fresh vegetable

juice to the school if it was closer but it takes at least 20 minutes to get to

the school. Thanks for the ideas . I need to make a trip to whole foods. I

think this thread should now be called " Looking for healthy snack ideas " .

is

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> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

> > > turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy

> > > yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes

> > > I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were

making

> > > some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet,

> > > teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually

> > > tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh

> > > banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He

> > > didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going

> > > up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for

> > > any help.

> > > is

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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>

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How about getting a juicer and making juices wth fruit and juices he can tolerate smoothes too...Sent from my iPod

I use Brothers apple, pear, banana and strawberry chips. They are freeze dried fruits without any other ingredients. I get it from costco and each box contains 10 apple chips, 5 pear and 5 banana+strawberry chips so mostly he gets apple chips. I cannot find many healthy snack options for school and teachers keep asking me for snack reinforcers. I have stopped using potato chips, fruit juices. Would love to get some new snack ideas for school especially organic ones.

is

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> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

> > turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy

> > yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes

> > I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making

> > some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet,

> > teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually

> > tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh

> > banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He

> > didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going

> > up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for

> > any help.

> > is

> >

> >

> >

>

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> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

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My picky eater will actually eat romaine leaves as a snack. They have a lot of folate.

 

How do you explain this to the school? They think that mouthing that my son has is related to being hungry and he needs frequent snacks. I have been using food allergies, acid reflux as the reasons for not sending too many snacks. I sometimes have to use my profession and some medical jargon to influence them otherwise they can simply state that I am starving my child by not sending in any juices or chips. Honestly speaking, I would actually deliver fresh vegetable juice to the school if it was closer but it takes at least 20 minutes to get to the school. Thanks for the ideas . I need to make a trip to whole foods. I think this thread should now be called " Looking for healthy snack ideas " .

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how bout making home made jello? i was gonna orger some fish gelatin and make my own jellp with small amount low sugar friut juice and stevia...

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:50 AMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

My picky eater will actually eat romaine leaves as a snack. They have a lot of folate.

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a great idea Channa. I will look for fish gelatin but if u find one,

please let me know. I am also looking for other protein snacks as my son has

yeast.

is

[Guest guest]

Could have been the strawberries. My little guy goes crazy when he has those. What's in the banana chips? Some have weird crap. I found some this weekend that were just a couple ingredients, nothing weird. Oh but raisins are bad here too. Hi everyone, My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were making some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet, teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for any help. is -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Click to find info about Vitamins and Minerals:http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543521682565 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Click to find links to info about the Low Oxalate Diet :http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150543495292565 ------Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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www.digestivewellness.com there is also beef gelatin but i want to get fish as my son is allergic beef....also havnt heard of grassfed beef gelatin ..but i also havnt looked hard either....

I am truely lucky ....my sons teacher actually respects my sons food issues...there is also recipes on gaps website i think for homemade jello recipes...

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:41 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Sounds like a great idea Channa. I will look for fish gelatin but if u find one, please let me know. I am also looking for other protein snacks as my son has yeast. is

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Turn over the bag and see where those are made...Pretty sure it's china

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> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > My son was doing great till yesterday with his patience, waiting for his

> > > turn, academic work, and was overall very pleasant. I was so happy

> > > yesterday and today he came back a little anxious from school. The changes

> > > I made were I went up on the epa/dha dose. Then at school, they were

making

> > > some fun cakes with sandwich bread and since he is on a special diet,

> > > teacher made one for him on his rice crispy cake which he usually

> > > tolerates. But he had strawberry and banana dried chips, raisins and fresh

> > > banana during the party and I feel like this is phenol sensitivity. He

> > > didn't have any digestive enzymes at school. Could it be related to going

> > > up on dose of epa/dha or it is just too much phenol? Thanks in advance for

> > > any help.

> > > is

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Toni

> >

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> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general

annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has

had a new " I'm really annoyed with you " tone of voice. I have recieved calls

from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After

reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week.

i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed

with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to

all of you for keeping me informed!

Annie

Mom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!

Annie

Mom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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enlarged pupils i think mercury or something affecting the sympathetic response...adrenals? thyriod?

i felt like biting myself out of fustration too today.

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

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I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome..... -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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You do not have to have strep to get PANDAS. Our kids have out of wack immune systems and when our kids are exposed to strep they have an auto immune reaction and their bodies build up too many antibodies that then attack the brain. Yo should definetly look into PANDAS at www.pandasnetwork.org. It is estimated that one third of ASD kids have PANDAS. The PANDAS behaviors are similar to ASD behaviors. My sons has been sufferring from PANDAS for probably a good 7 years. I had known earlier I could have helped him and things would have not gotten soooooo out of control and dire.

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:48 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome.....

-Tammy

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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Tammy - other viruses & infections can cause PANDAS symptoms. I would have titers (IgG, IgM) tested for mycoplasma pneumonia, HHV6, CMV, EBV, and Lyme. Also some kids can have strep without symptoms, so I would test for strep A titers as well. We were dealing with symptoms like yours for years without explanation. Turns out we are dealing with strep, myco p, Lyme & cmv. Antibiotics, herbals, mito support, etc are slowly but surely turning it all around. Best of luck, RuthSent from my iPhone

I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome..... -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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We've done the DNASE-B antibody and the antistrepolysin (which I know can mean absolutely nothing) and HHV6 which showed positive only for IgG. I have a nephew who was CLASSIC pandas as a child. (Intense rage, tics, OCD,tourettes, hospitalizations ....). He's grown now and happy and healthy with no symptoms now for many many years. Naturally, he never received a PANDAS dx, but in my heart, I know that's what it was. Deep down and for many reasons, I suspect herpes viruses are lurking but I will revisit the PANDAS website in case I'm missing something.We are actually going to do SCIA's panel, and that covers just about everything. You guys are the

best. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy - other viruses & infections can cause PANDAS symptoms. I would have titers (IgG, IgM) tested for mycoplasma pneumonia, HHV6, CMV, EBV, and Lyme. Also some kids can have strep without symptoms, so I would test for strep A titers as well. We were dealing with symptoms like yours for years without explanation. Turns out we are dealing with strep, myco p, Lyme & cmv. Antibiotics, herbals, mito support, etc are slowly but surely turning it all around. Best of luck, RuthSent from my iPhone

I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome..... -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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Ohhhhhh yes! And another brand new stim. Waving his pencil in front of his eyes as fast as he can get it to go. wtf.....Let's talk about someone else lmao. -Tammy To:

"mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

We've done the DNASE-B antibody and the antistrepolysin (which I know can mean absolutely nothing) and HHV6 which showed positive only for IgG. I have a nephew who was CLASSIC pandas as a child. (Intense rage, tics, OCD,tourettes, hospitalizations ....). He's grown now and happy and healthy with no symptoms now for many many years. Naturally, he never received a PANDAS dx, but in my heart, I know that's what it was. Deep down and for many reasons, I suspect herpes viruses are lurking but I will revisit the PANDAS website in case I'm missing something.We are actually going to do SCIA's panel, and that covers just about

everything. You guys are the

best. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy - other viruses & infections can cause PANDAS symptoms. I would have titers (IgG, IgM) tested for mycoplasma pneumonia, HHV6, CMV, EBV, and Lyme. Also some kids can have strep without symptoms, so I would test for strep A titers as well. We were dealing with symptoms like yours for years without explanation. Turns out we are dealing with strep, myco p, Lyme & cmv. Antibiotics, herbals, mito support, etc are slowly but surely turning it all around. Best of luck, RuthSent from my iPhone

I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome..... -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Tammy,

The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

....you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s??

Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.

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,May I ask how you have treated your sons PANDAS?..Also if with antibiotics,have you done any chelation with?Thanks,SandiSent from my iPad You do not have to have strep to get PANDAS. Our kids have out of wack immune systems and when our kids are exposed to strep they have an auto immune reaction and their bodies build up too many antibodies that then attack the brain. Yo should definetly look into PANDAS at www.pandasnetwork.org. It is estimated that one third of ASD kids have PANDAS. The PANDAS behaviors are similar to ASD behaviors. My sons has been sufferring from PANDAS for probably a good 7 years. I had known earlier I could have helped him and things would have not gotten soooooo out of control and dire. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:48 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s?? I've thought so in the past, too. The way the occasional rages come and go. (They are super rare). But he's never had strep so I haven't dug in too deeply into PANDAS. If you tell me that doesn't matter, I will dig more deeply. My older daughter (21) is just about as crazy as they come and she has always dealt with sore throats her entire life. Sometimes strep, most often times not. She spent her entire infancy crying and her toddler years trantruming. It was awesome..... -TammyTo: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s?? Tammy, The biting, school work ot of wack and the dilated pupils are signs of PANDAS. You can find great info at www.pandasnetwork.org From: T Lynn To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s?? ...you can add one more to the bunch. Same here. Toni will find this interesting: my son has been biting himself out of frustration. Sound familiar?? (This is brand new.) His school work is out of whack, too. It's been of those weeks that feel like we're taking one step forward and two steps back. argggggg. Right before this shift in behavior, he had gone through a two week stretch where his pupils were constantly dilated...don't know if there's a connection. -TammyTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 1:16 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of anger, hyperactivity - phenol or omega 3s?? Thanks for your post, my son has also had a sudden increase in anger and general annoyance. I haven't been able to figure it out. Just in the last week he has had a new "I'm really annoyed with you" tone of voice. I have recieved calls from his teachers and Equine therapist they have noticed this shift to. After reading your post I realized that I have packed raisens three times this week. i am unfamiliar with salicylates and phenols. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with all of the componentes to this approach! I get lost sometimes, thank you to all of you for keeping me informed!AnnieMom of Leo age 9; we have utalized the bio approach for the last five years.