OT: corporal punishment in schools

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Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state

that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as

education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're

considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and

seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive

these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those

things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of

the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone

can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone

lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state

allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or

restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent

teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Can you tell me what state this is? If you happen to be in GA, maybe you should consider contacting Jean Estes a lawyer who advocates for special needs kids and will go to IEP meetings. She has an office in Lawrenceville, and in Macon. If you are not in GA but a neighboring state, maybe you can call her and see if she can recommend someone to help you. Otherwise, I would have them notarize a statement forbidding these approaches to discipline. Best of Luck , Bettina

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Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Hi Bettina, the state is NC. I'm finding out just now about some of the backwards things they do there in some of the school systems in NC with padded seclusion rooms and paddles and restraints. I didn't think to check into all that until recently b/c they don't do that crap here in MD. It's against the law here, anyway. That's a good idea to talk to a lawyer. Thanks, Bettina!On Feb 5, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Bettina Burnette wrote

Can you tell me what state this is? If you happen to be in GA, maybe you should consider contacting Jean Estes a lawyer who advocates for special needs kids and will go to IEP meetings. She has an office in Lawrenceville, and in Macon. If you are not in GA but a neighboring state, maybe you can call her and see if she can recommend someone to help you. Otherwise, I would have them notarize a statement forbidding these approaches to discipline. Best of Luck , Bettina

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Soraya s ;

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Subject:

OT: corporal punishment in schools

Sent:

Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:05:43 AM

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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It's amazing to me that any school would allow corporal punishment. A parent would get charged with abuse if we took a great big paddle to our kids. I remember when i was growing up and there would be holes in the paddle to make it hurt more and the teachers were *proud* of it.

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That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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I have a friend in NC, may I give her your email to contact you? Her son is dx'd PDD-NOS and they later found out thathe is hearing impaired... so now he is in HI classes. However she is familiar with lots of things... she is from NYC but has

been navigating NC stuff for about 6 yrs now.

 

That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose.  I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? 

Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

 

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!

I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?

I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

 

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Absolutely, Toni, that would be great!

I have a friend in NC, may I give her your email to contact you? Her son is dx'd PDD-NOS and they later found out thathe is hearing impaired... so now he is in HI classes. However she is familiar with lots of things... she is from NYC but has

been navigating NC stuff for about 6 yrs now.

That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home?

Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!

I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?

I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Oh yeah, Cheryl, I remember that too when I was kid in a Christian school and the big wooden paddle was on display in the school to intimidate the kids and keep them in line. It was just part of the culture then, and I don't even think my parents objected to it the one time I got paddled. But these are different times and for some reason special needs kids get singled out for it, which is beyond cruel. You're right, if you swat your kid in public you just might get the police sicced on you, but these school districts in 20 states still sanction it in their classrooms. Unbelievable! It's amazing to me that any school would allow corporal punishment. A parent would get charged with abuse if we took a great big paddle to our kids. I remember when i was growing up and there would be holes in the paddle to make it hurt more and the teachers were *proud* of it.

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That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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if it were me i and homeschooling was not an option i would find a school that had video survellance in the classrooms and i would want to see the tapes....if the school has nothing to hide they should be open to drop by visits and other ways to moniter how they treat your kid.....

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 8:34 AMSubject: Re: OT: corporal punishment in schools

Can you tell me what state this is? If you happen to be in GA, maybe you should consider contacting Jean Estes a lawyer who advocates for special needs kids and will go to IEP meetings. She has an office in Lawrenceville, and in Macon. If you are not in GA but a neighboring state, maybe you can call her and see if she can recommend someone to help you. Otherwise, I would have them notarize a statement forbidding these approaches to discipline. Best of Luck , Bettina

; To: <mb12valtrex >; Subject: OT: corporal punishment in schools Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 6:05:43 AM

Hi guys, My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things. Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent

teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?Thanks,Soraya

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Wow, Soraya, I see from the other email that you may move to NC, which is where I live. It is a wonderful place to homeschool! There are so many ways to do it -- lessons at home with you, coops with friends, MANY professional organizations and universities catering to homeschoolers. I live in chapel hill where there are many resources. My county allows corporal punishments, but town of chapel hill does not, just be clear. I am out of town limits. Charlotte and Asheville are even better for homeschoolers (so, they say, LOL). We are so happy with what we have here. Many of my friends who homeschool work full or part time. We are a great community here to meet the needs of as many people as we can. Take care and email anytime with nc concerns or questions.Jean

That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya

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Thank you Jean, for that info, that sounds really great! We've been really impressed with how supportive the autism community is in Wake and Chapel Hill counties. I've been part of some online groups that cater to those counties for awhile, and I love how active things are there, so much going on for the kids, and we would love to be a part of that. But those stats about corporal punishment in NC really scared me last night. But I was talking to my husband recently about possibly homeschooling our son part of the day, and then he spends the other half of the day at the Mariposa school (if we can afford it), or some other place. Could you tell me more about the homeschooling community in Chapel Hill? How do your friends who have outside jobs homeschool? I'd love to know what some of the options are, how people fit in therapies and social activities with homeschooling.

Wow, Soraya, I see from the other email that you may move to NC, which is where I live. It is a wonderful place to homeschool! There are so many ways to do it -- lessons at home with you, coops with friends, MANY professional organizations and universities catering to homeschoolers. I live in chapel hill where there are many resources. My county allows corporal punishments, but town of chapel hill does not, just be clear. I am out of town limits. Charlotte and Asheville are even better for homeschoolers (so, they say, LOL). We are so happy with what we have here. Many of my friends who homeschool work full or part time. We are a great community here to meet the needs of as many people as we can. Take care and email anytime with nc concerns or questions.Jean

That's a good point, Jean; the school may override my wishes. And then all hell would break loose. I have been thinking about homeschooling, but I'd need to work at least part-time while my husband works full-time. I wonder if there are professional homeschool teachers that will teach your kid in your home? Thanks for your encouragement, Jean

Hi Soraya,So sorry you are dealing with this! Just wanted to let you know that my county school allows corporal punishments as you describe, and that is one the reasons we are homeschooling. It was terrifying at first, but now, we love it!I believe that the philosophies that underlie these policies speak volumes about their attitudes toward children. My own schooling experience in such a school when I was a child was the same. The school spanked and I was spanked once although my mother had expressly forbidden it. Schools that spank, in my opinion, don't respect your child, why would they bother with respecting your wishes?I hope your situation presents more choice for you and your family. you are obviously a very strong, caring mama.Best,Jean

Hi guys,

My husband and I are considering relocating to a school district in a new state that so far looks like will be a good match for our 7 yr-old asd son as far as education and services. I just found out online though, that this state we're considering allows corporal punishment in schools, along with restraints and seclusion. The stats show that boys, minorities and special needs kids receive these types of punishment disproportionately. My son is all three of those things.

Come Monday morning I will be on the phone with the special needs director of the school district to talk with her about this, but until then maybe someone can tell me: can you put in your child's IEP that no way in HELL should anyone lay a hand on your child to restrain, seclude or spank him, even if the state allows it? If that's not possible, can a school still spank your kid, or restrain or seclude them even if you make it clear to all pertinent teachers/staff (in writing and in every other way) that you expressly forbid it?

Thanks,

Soraya