Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Can you please tell us how to dose HUMAWORM for a 3 year old child who weighs 35lbs? Also, there is another product called PARAGONE FOR KIDS which has the same stuff as HUMAWORM except for may be the " PSYLLINUM " and " SENA " . Ive also heard that SENA use is not advisable. Can you please advice? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > >>> > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > >>> > > That is awesome. > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Here's from their website below, but you would do 1 child's capsule per day, ideally in the morning before any other food and with a glass of water. We taught our daughter to take pills by starting with marshmallows (which she had a general reaction to- the blue dyes, but we made an exception for about 2 weeks until we got her going). We had her chew up half of a marshmallow until it was mushy and then had her open her mouth. We popped the pill on top and told her to swallow it and her marshmallow. Then I gave her two marshmallows as a reward! We weened down to one marshmallow, then just the half of one she was eating it with. After about 2 weeks I think she could take the pills without it. Before I could do this, I would empty the pills into Lundberg Organic Rice Syrup. It was thick and sweet and masked most flavors. And Mia was very reactive to Maple Syrup. I do not know much about the Paragone for kids. I understand that some worry about using Senna or Psyllium because they are laxative and bulking agents, respectively, and essentially you may over time have bowel function damage and then need to rely on them. However, as a family we had periodic major bowel obstruction issues from the parasites (alternating with loose bowels!!). So the risk was well worth it. Also, I believe that once the parasites are under control, with a healthy GFCF high fiber diet and good hydration, the bowels will be just fine. So back to Paragone- the company that makes it is generally very good/trustworthy with their other supplements. BUT, from what I understand about Humaworm, they don't sell from store shelves because they want to send out the freshest herbs. Also, I've not heard amazing things from people who have used Paragone, but have from people who have used Humaworm and the syrups and powders from Old Fashioned Spices. Old Fashioned Spices is supposed to be amazing too, but we just looked into ordering and it was going to cost $300 for the whole family for a month as opposed to $120 or so for Humaworm. So we're going to stick with Humaworm for a while. Humaworm CHILDREN'S DOSING (from website): One capsule per day per 30 pounds of body weight taken at least 30 minutes before meals. Round your child's weight up or down to the nearest 10 pounds and dose accordingly. EXAMPLE: A 70 pound child will round down to 60 which is 2 pills per day while a 80 pound child will round up to 90 pounds which is 3 pills per day. If your child takes more than one capsule per day, then give one dose in the morning and the other dose 12 hours later. If your child is over 12 years old and 150 pounds or more - he or she may safely take HUMAWORM For ADULTS. HUMAWORM For CHILDREN is NOT RECOMMENDED for children under the age of 2 or for children under 30 pounds! > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > >>> > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Such a great response, Noel. I would add our experience with prescription medications and testing. We did 3 rounds of prescription parasite medication last year when we all got very sick with what was suspected to be Giardia. Several problems arose. First, it was like pulling teeth to get a doctor to presribe anything because it is so hard to get Giardia to show up on a standard lab. We did something like 8 labs each to no avail. Even in Mia's Metamatrix lab, we kept getting 'parasite of unknown origin', and so were given generally ambiguous advice from 3 DAN doctors on what to do about it. So, one can go to several doctors and do many tests, at untold costs, and come out still very ill with no doctor willing to treat. We found a friend in our mainstream family practice doctor. Mainly because Mia continued to lose weight, get very ill, and was diagnosed with 'failure to thrive'. He put my husband on a triple drug therapy that included flagyl. This seemed to work really well for him. He did a 2nd round later as a precaution when the girls and I reinfected. The girls and I (I was pregnant also), went on flagyl alone because the other 2 drugs were too strong.not recommended. The standard protocol is to treat for 10 days. This is certainly shorter than the life cylce of giardia. We went through 3 or four acute rounds with the parasite. Also, the flagyl made us all very ill. I don't know what to say other than- I felt like it was killing me. It is a very strong medication. In the final go round, after my daughter was born, I was 6 days in and just could not talk myself into taking it any more. I went into severe IBS and celiac (celiac is a symptom of parasite infection according to many sources), in part from the parasite and in part I believe from the medication. And this was with a companion prescription for an outstanding probiotic, VSL#3. I got to the point after almost a year of fighting this where I was losing weight no matter what I ate, and could not digest fats anymore. I had nutritional deficiencies and resulting thyroid problems, easily broken bones, rotting teeth, vision loss. . . truly, I was terribly ill. So, I started on all of Mia's strict diets with her, made some other significant changes, and we calmed the waters for a while. But the parasite question continued to nag. So, we started Humaworm and found Giardia, tapeworms, roundworms. etc etc etc. I am sure we could have done a more comprehensive prescription parasite treatment with more competent specialists, but even in the big city of Denver I had trouble finding anyone who was competent and would take on this challenge. SO, I will give the benefit of the doubt that one can work with a medical professional to adequately find and get rid of parasites- but at what cost and with what blessings or luck in finding a qualified practitioner. When we realized that we were getting so many benefits from a treatment that cost $120 for the whole family after paying out so much for so many doctors, at a time when our lives are so limited because we are paying down $30k in medical debt, I tell you, I couldn't decide whether I wanted to cry or wail or give thanks or curse and swear or kick the nearest object. I am pretty sure I did all of those things actually!!! So long story short, in my humble opinion, we used to have the ritual practice of doing 2-3 times a year herbal detoxes/deworming in the good old days at very little cost and damn it, we should still be doing this. And where in the hell did this tradition go and why in the hell did it take me so long to find out about it? This said from someone who, like many here, has (not one but 2 and a half) binders of tests and protocols from 'great' doctors. Also, as an anthropologist, I will just generally say that cultures that eat very spicy foods are mostly in equatorial regions- the spices are used to kill parasites where they are an issue and also where food storage was a problem. I also wonder if the genetic markers that make some of us less able to expel parasites are more prevalent/arose in peoples who traditionally did not have as many parasites? :) > > > > > > > Pardon me if I sound stupid. > > > > > You'll never sound stupid. > > > > > I am new on this list and am going through a steep learning curve. > > > > > Yes, it's all so very overwhelming, we've all been there. > > > > > > I have been reading this thread religiously, especially 's response got me into thinking, whats up with all this anthelmintic effect of Humaworm? How did you guys figure out that your kids may have parasitic infection? > > > > > Autism is an immune response. Something has happened in our kids that affect the immune system so desperately that they can't correct things that most typical people can. > > > > > Here is the contradiction, I am Ulcerative colitis patient and one of the (FDA unapproved) therapy is worm based, though not parasitic worms. > > > > > Yes, it's TSO. It's used by some in autism, too. > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I am totally lost, so here are my questions, > > > 1. How did you get a feeling that your child may have worm infestation? > > > > > It's not always an " infestation " that you know. Parasites are a normal part of life. We *all* have them. The problem is that our kids tend to not be able to control them. So the parasites go unchecked and unnoticed. Some get so bad that they are noticed but not always. I actually tend to believe that most people have a parasite problem - mainstream medicine just doesn't recognize it as such. > > > > > 2. Why did you choose to go to Humaworm over traditional anthelmintic, say like Metronidazole or similar. > > > > > Not everyone does. Some prefer Alinia or Metronidazole or Flagyl. Just depends. People are really hyped up about Humaworm right now because of and Her Mighty Microscope (I really think that makes a great book title!). Humaworm has been a product that has been around in biomed for a while and like anything else, it goes through phases. The popularity of it at any given time is based on how much people talk about it. Right now, giving updates on her findings makes it a popular conversation which means more people are going to be trying it out if they are following the thread. > > > > > 3. From my point of view, ingredients in Humaworm aren't that exceptional. If you look at Indian Cuisine, at least half of those ingredients are used by the Indians on daily basis. > > > > > Yes, but not in the doses. Pharmacology has almost always been about doses. Think about active ingredients. I eat a ton of garlic. That doesn't mean garlic doesn't have medicinal qualities that I couldn't benefit from by taking a supplement that provides me with way more than I get from food. Because the active enzyme or whatever is what is actually doing it's job, not the whole bulb of garlic. With my son, he needs yucca to keep his ammonia in check. The amount he needs would require him to eat way more than he possibly could. > > > > That's not to say that diet doesn't help. And for those that do eat things like garlic daily - they tend to have fewer problems but it doesn't mean they don't exist at all. Dosage matters. > > > > Aside from that, these ingredients *aren't* used daily in any cuisine that I know of. I don't know of anyone that cooks with Burdock, Hyssop, Gentian, Senna, Marshmallow Root, Wormwood, Cramp Bark, Elecampane or Black Walnut. And there's a reason for that. Most of these are medicinal herbs, not really fit for eating much. Black Walnut and Wormwood are two that I know right off the bat that are actually toxic in large doses or taken too long. So no, the reality is, these ingredients are not at all like Indian cuisine. These herbs really taste bad. Gentian is quite disgusting. Senna is a laxative. These are not herbs used to flavor food. > > > > > SNIP > > > > > > Please don't shoot me. I am trying to learn why folks are so inclined to Humaworm. > > > > > No shooting. I've been saying I'm going to try it for about a year or two now and still haven't so I can't even tell you anything from personal experience. > > > > > > > > For my son, his poop is perfect, as someone mentioned " pumpkin poop " . BMs are regular and as far as we can understand, no abdominal pain, Hence, we doubt he has any parasitic infection but do you still think we should ask his pediatrician about this anthelmintic stuff? > > > > > Not a reasonable way to conclude whether or not he has a parasite. My husband had no idea he had giardia until our DAN tested him and even while taking flagyl, he felt it wasn't working or doing anything. Until he finished the course and he said it was weird, as soon as it was done it was like he felt a million times better than he ever did. He didn't realize he *could* feel better because he didn't know he was feeling " bad " so again, you can't really make that conclusion when it comes to parasites. I'm fairly certain my son has parasites. I'm fairly certain the entire family has parasites. I'm fairly certain most people have a parasite problem that should be treated. I just need to get off my duff and do it and stop making excuses like, " well, I'm doing this now and want to see how that goes " or " well, I'd like to get some more AC rounds in before I add something new " or any number of the other stupid excuses I use to keep putting things off. I have gotten as far as figuring out how much it will cost for all of us. Lol! In my defense, I did try to get alinia last year and my insurance wouldn't cover it but I never called my DAN to ask her to change to something else and have since forgotten about it at every appointment. Pfffft. I suck. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Prasad > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:58 AM, winnchimes <winnchimes@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I said earlier today that I had nothing to report. Knowing I've been checking my son's diaper and my own progress,...thinking that my teen daughter would tell me if she saw anything, tonight she said sh'e been pooping worms since the first or second day on Humaworm. I didn't know. I'll be checking her samples now. ...anna > > > > > > Wow!!!!! =-O =-O Thanks,. I am buying Humaworm right now. My son is allergic to garlic.Does this cancel out using humaworm ?And why is that? Does anyone know? Thanks,Tammy F. > > > > > > , > > >> You're amazing. Thanks so much for giving us so much thoughtful detail. So very helpful and inspiring. One quick question. How old is Mia? Did you use the children's version for her? Do your kids swallow capsules? Obviously, for the youngest, you must have opened the capsules. What did you out the herbs in to mask the taste? > > >> Thanks again. You are an INSPIRATION. > > >> Go fearless parasite mamma!!! > > >> -Sylvia > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> amazing melissa thank you so much I love hearing sucess stories truely they give me so much hope.. > > >>> channa > > >>> > > >>> From: <lambspeed@> > > >>> To: mb12valtrex > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:17 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > >>> > > >>> THANKS so much for that description !! Mia and Ellie passed exactly this- yellow mucousy stool with red pinhead dots all throughout!!! They each passed about a half cup of it. It is one of two things we've seen on Humaworm that we couldn't obviously identify. Looking under the microscope, I did see what looks to be flukes in the sample from that day, but I had been seeing these in general since about 10 days in, so I didn't connect it exactly. > > >>> > > >>> So we are through the Humaworm for the girls, and I have a few days left (we staggered a bit because of traveling). It has been nothing short of a miracle for us. I wish I could mind-meld everyone I meet and tell them of our changes in a way they fully comprehend. I am not even sure where to start because the changes have been so profound. I have tried to write an update 3 times now!! > > >>> > > >>> First things first, I guess, the poop. We've all passed tapeworms. Sophie (22 mo) passed a 3 inch worm. Poor gal. Mia's was several inches long. With the microscope we've seen that Mia and Sophie passed Giardia. We've all passed tons of microscopic roundworms. We've all passed flukes and hookworms. At about 10 days in Mia and Ellie passed the larger mass of flukes mentioned above. After this we all started passing these sheets of stretchy, thick, medium brown stuff- at first it covered our whole BM's. Since then we pass it every several days in sections. If you try to pull it apart it springs back together. It makes me wonder what biofilm looks like?? I've tried to google for pictures of biofilm in stool with no luck. > > >>> > > >>> Mia's gains came quickly. The anger-clenched fist-veins popping out of neck possessiveness went away. Suddenly she started going to the bathroom all by herself (and sometimes as if suddenly out of a dream she even wiped herself!). This is significant because she has never gone to the bathroom by herself. I can actually now get her to go into a public restroom by herself!!!! Stunning! Cognitively she made huge gains. We paint a lot. In just a few days she went from painting just general swirls and sort-of-spots-like-trees to painting a landscape with ground, a lake, trees, the sun, and clouds. (Following our first parasite treatment with just wormwood and Breakstone back in January she went from CONSISTENTLY painting a whole page drenched with one color to using different colors and trying to make general forms. She also went from mirror writing the 3 letters in her name to writing them in the correct direction overnight!). Drawing, a week into humaworm she came up and had drawn with a pencil a picture of her physical therapist, complete with earrings, hair, eyelashes, eyebrows. . . . I was stunned. I held up her last drawing of a person- arms and legs not even in the right place (her PT says this is a sign of her SPD and inability to know where her own body parts are). Other gains- Mia is finally emotionally attached to things- like a stuffed animal that she sleeps with- but not in an obsessive way. She plays with toys, animals, dolls with creativity. She can now imagine them in activities and have imaginitive play with them. For Mia's whole life she has never been able to play more than 5 minutes (OK, occasionally as long as 10 minutes) without screaming, crying, fighting with a sibling, crying out for help. About a week or so into Humaworm I realized that she had played for over an hour with her sister- transitioning from one kind of play to another, sharing toys, taking turns. I swear, it was at this moment that I fell on the floor and cried. Mia is now reading basic words and finally understands counting. > > >>> After several days of this heaven, of Mia and Ellie literally rolling on the floor in giggles and love and uproarious laughter, of Mia reading road signs (?!?!), of 'normal' poops for the first time in her life, Mia started to get crazy again. The fighting and possessiveness came back, short temper, anxiety, tactile sensitivity, intense neediness, painting big blobs of nothingness. I had stopped taking poop samples for a few days because everything looked good for a while- no eggs, few worms. Well with the regression I popped the microscope back on the table and started samples. Lo and behold Mia was shedding a bunch of worm eggs. She started with anal itching at the same time. As soon as the eggs stopped showing up, she got better again. We had a week of good times, and then a regression again- this time she was shedding eggs and a ton of candida. So it has been just a true blessing to have this microscope. When Mia goes back to inflexible/obsessive/anxious/fearful, I take a sample and look and see what is going on. It really has focused me in on one enemy- the parasites. (We are also fighting enemy #2, viruses, with antivirals- everytime Mia is on acyclovir for a few days she starts chelating naturally- she gets these black smeared poops and goes through a sensitive period where she commonly has high-pitched scream attacks- but that's a post and some questions for another day). > > >>> > > >>> In the process of researching parasites I found the obvious link to B12. Parasites cause B12 deficiency. Whether because they disturb the intestinal lining or the acid/alkaline balance and lessen uptake or because they consume it themselves, there are many articles linking parasite infection to B12 deficiency. With this you get the cognitive declines and decreased methylation discussed in this group. B12 deficiency is linked to obsessive compulsive disorder and other psychiatric/mood disorders in articles from mainstream medicine, alternative medicine, and the field of psychiatry. > > >>> > > >>> Another huge thing to come out of Humaworm for us is that ALL of our family has lost our food sensitivities (we did do NAET in conjunction for Mia, Ellie, and I- but not Sophia or my husband). We are still GFCF, but are able to eat salicylates, phenols, oxalates, etc. Of interest, all of these things that we had to avoid for years are the parts of food that are the plant defense mechanisms against parasites!!!!!! Salicylates are concentrated in the peels of plants- zucchini, apples, aspirin (bark). Oxalates are the crystals that plants use (think tuberous carrots) to keep bugs from eating them. Sulfites are in sap and bark. . . . .We have spent the last few years keeping our parasites happy!!!!! My theory is that these foods cause the parasites to freak out- either to die and produce die-off chemicals, or just to be seriously aggravated and produce chemicals- and then THESE chemicals- from the parasites- trigger mast cell degranulation in our bodies which causes the symptomology of mood changes- histamines causing hyperactivity, other nuerotransmitters released in mast cell degranulation causing aggression, anxiety. . . > > >>> > > >>> That's my theory. I hope to spend some time finding more evidence of this. > > >>> > > >>> On to some other changes from our family's humaworm experience. When I was pregnant with Mia (our first), my husband developed this terrible halitosis. I had terrible morning sickness (all day and night sickness- which of interest is caused by B vitamin deficiency!! And Mia was born with severe cradle cap- also caused by B vitamin deficiency!). His breath was so bad I had to start sleeping on a couch in the other room. At the same time we both started with the anal itching. We had just moved into our house, where an old dog with incontinence had lived and we had two cats. We think our tapeworms started here. So periodically since then this awful halitosis would come back. Over the last year it has been pretty much full time.My husband is slim, 'healthy', eats well, doesn't drink, we could NOT figure this out. Well guess what. his halitosis is GONE now. Gone. He is also a happier man. For the first time since we've had children his heart is truly open. He doesn't have to fight inner demons to connect with them- his inpatience is way down. His energy is up and he helps with house chores, with manage them. He is not so angry. It is a subtle but profound difference. > > >>> > > >>> Now for my crazy story. About 2 weeks into the humaworm I started with really strong ovarian cramping. It was enough to distract me from everything I was doing. It was ovulation time, so I just thought I was having an intense ovulation. Then I thought back to about 15 years ago when I went to a class on digestion and the nutritionist leading it was also an iridologist. When she was making recommendations for me she offered to look at my irises for signs of problems to address. She hesitantly told me that I had worms in my ovaries and asked if I had ever had an ovarian cyst on my left ovary! Sure enough I had, since high school, one that 'came and went' with my cycle according to the gynecologists over the years. I was put on low dose birth control for it. So the iridologist reading came when I was in my 20's. I thought I had control of everything (the folly of youth), took some herbs once, and went on with things. Fast forward back to a couple of weeks ago and this intense ovarian cramping. Suddenly it occurred to me, 'I'm on a dewormer!' I may be getting rid of ovarian worms!'. So, I grabbed the trusty microscope and took a sample. A teeny, tiny sample. I put it up on the microscope. . . . . . . . . . . and found hundreds and hundreds of microscopic roundworms. This was in a sample smaller than the size of a grain of rice. I was shocked. There were SO MANY worms. > > >>> > > >>> So along with my cyclic cyst over the years I have also had cyclic mood issues. Basically your classic manic phase (I can save the world! I have at least 10 dozens ideas of how to do this! I can do them all!) with ovulation and depressive phase (the world and I are doomed, nothing will ever work, EVER, why try anything) starting about 4 days before my period. With liberation coming when my period starts and almost a week of normalcy somewhere in there and a week of extreme anger in there as well. I've controlled it with diet and lifestyle, with Evening Primrose oil or other essential fatty acids, by talking myself out of the more intense moods. I've carried on 'normal' life. Well, with my pregnancy with Sophia, when I got Giardia, everything intensified. I was extremely angry with my husband (with good reason, admittedly, things needed to change, I needed more support, he was still eaten up with worms himself remember!). Even after made some significant changes over the last 2 years, my anger would swell in predictable cycles and just overtake me. I felt I had no control over it anymore- I just couldn't talk myself out of the feeling of spewing hatred and a paranoid anger. I would get overwhelmed by obsessing over something that was essentially an inborn fault or fault of his upbringing (that for sure he needs to work on)- but think that it was something he was doing on purpose, something he could never escape or didn't want to- and my mind would spiral out to plans for divorce or separation, and all of this with clenched teeth and fierce anger myself. It was just out of control. Then it would pass and I would be consumed with confusion and regret, depression. I felt that I was over the line into mental disorder and tried some supplements for rapid cycling bipolar disorder, PMDD etc. etc. They didn't help. > > >>> > > >>> So, in this phase after ovulation, after doing the dewormer and finding the parasites, where usually the anger period would start up and I would try to hold on for dear life, this month nothing happened. Nothing happened! I just finished my period. NOTHING HAPPENED. Again, I wish I had words to explain. I am just literally stunned. I don't know what to say other than to report my complete ABSENCE of symptoms. > > >>> > > >>> So I think that about covers our little world of miracles here. We are wrapping up our humaworm treatment and will go for a next go 'round with the Old Fashioned Spices product. It is a lot more expensive, but I have heard great things about it. We are all still showing worm eggs in cycles, so I think we will have to keep at it. I am also going to look into organ detox protocols- liver cleanses, galbladder cleanses. I have read on CureZone about people passing large tapeworms from liver cleanses alone. We are now converts and committed to a life that includes regular parasite and organ cleanses. It is just what we will do. A friend of mine doing biomedical treatment for her neurological disorder said that her genetic testing showed that she held several genes for being not good at removing parasites that attach to the intestinal wall. Maybe we are one of these types as well. > > >>> > > >>> OH, thinking of the galbladder and galbladder cleanses, I will leave with my last good news. So while in Colorado my husband and I started doing what every good Boulderite does and running and cycling. I even did a triathlon between Ellie and Sophie! One thing that got me though was that I always got these terrible cramps on my right side just below my rib cage. One doctor did an ultrasound to look for galstones but found none. So I would run, 3-6 miles twice a week, really slow and half of the time feeling like my galbladder was going to burst. I would bike and try to keep up with while doing all of these contorted motions on my bike to try to shift the pain. When I had Sophie I was so sick with Giardia that I quit excercising altogether. Sophie is 22 months old and I have only gone on a few walks around the block. Really, that and 30 minutes jogging on the treadmill about a year ago and that is it. So, yesterday, and I took the bikes out for a ride. We picked a nice paved bike path so that it could be a leisurely stroll. I was nervous because I would be pulling Ellie (Kev pulls Mia and Sophie) in a bike stroller. I didn't have high hopes for the day and just hoped I could get through it and still enjoy the scenery. SO. . . . at mile 5 I really felt something was surely different. At mile 12, when I climbed a steep grade for a half mile pulling 70 pounds of kid and trailer, I really knew somthing was different. At mile 24, on the way back, after 2 more steep climbs and going downhill now, I let a loud whoooooop out and realized 'I feel better than I've ever felt in my life'. No galbladder cramps, no wheezing, no anger that my body can't keep up. We pedaled 30 miles. I feel fine today. I haven't been on a bike in over 2 years. . . . . . . . I'll say it again. I am stunned. > > >>> > > >>> OK, so I understand that we were probably particularly eaten up with parasites, so 'individual results may vary', but I wanted to share our story. > > >>> > > >>> Our story with Mia isn't yet solved. Today she is going through what I believe is a round of natural chelating since we started on Aciclovir a few days ago. She is fighting, going through high pitched screaming and crying fits. So we obviously have more work to do. But more often than not now, we have a gal who is happy, is thinking, is self regulating, is wearing pants and sweaters, goes to the bathroom by herself, spells, and draws entire compositions of princesses in fields with pet dogs and trees in the background and the sun and grass and a crown on her head and arms and legs all where they belong. And at least every other day Mia is happy enough to roll around and giggle with her sisters and do sweet things for people in the family. This is a true blessing. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > >>> > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 i tried paragone long time ago it didnt do diddle squat for my kid To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:58 PMSubject: Re: Humaworm Update Can you please tell us how to dose HUMAWORM for a 3 year old child who weighs 35lbs?Also, there is another product called PARAGONE FOR KIDS which has the same stuff as HUMAWORM except for may be the "PSYLLINUM" and "SENA". Ive also heard that SENA use is not advisable. Can you please advice?> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!!> >>> > >> >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>> >>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM> >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update> >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?!> >>> > > That is awesome.> >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___> > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is a good question for the manufacturer, but from the website, I can tell you 1 pill per 30 lbs body weight and it is not safe for two year olds. I can say it is strong. Heyward had another massive bm yesterday and slept like a rock. His shiners are gone again and he has lost the veiny look to his skin. He is 11 years old and weighs 62 lbs. I might be really cautious with a 3 year old, but im sort of a chicken anywsy. Please call the mfg.Sent from my iPhone Can you please tell us how to dose HUMAWORM for a 3 year old child who weighs 35lbs? Also, there is another product called PARAGONE FOR KIDS which has the same stuff as HUMAWORM except for may be the "PSYLLINUM" and "SENA". Ive also heard that SENA use is not advisable. Can you please advice? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > >>> > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > >>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > >>> > > That is awesome. > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Yes. Until you treat worms, you think those symptoms are all yeast. Many are worms. It takes a new focus to learn which are which. Caryn > > We've been a Little over a week on the humaworm and it really is interesting. He is cycling though what looks like a major yeast die off ( but is currently off antifungals) where he is stimmy, spacey hyper, sleepless and somewhat " stopped up " around the 3rd day he has a massive " great pumpkin " poop followed by calmness and lucidity for about 12 hours. His basketball skills have made a leap this week but that is the only wow I can pinpoint. Oh- dark crcles under eyes are gone and his skin which normally looks very veiny ( can see blood in veins under skin) looks decidedly less sp- much better. > > I haven't seen anything in his bms- no micrroscope here- but there really is no yeast coming out ( yellow mucuosy stuff) just brown solid.has anyone else tried? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Melisa/Channa, thanks for your response. I am just trying to figure out the best possible approach in dealing with parasites and i have done a lot of research on it. I have also read many testimonials on HUMAWORM but have found from most testimonials that although there are gains, the gains dont stick too long. Read testimonial here: http://curezone.us/forums/fm.asp?i=1209529 From more research i found out that this may be because the parasites are killed but their eggs are not. So, when the gains start disappearing it means that the eggs are hatching and now you have to give more parasite treatment. So what's the answer?? I think i found it. Kill the parasite using " Paragone " or " Humaworm " wait for a while and see when the gains disappear. Basically try to figure out in how many days do the gains disappear. 5 days before the gains will begin to disappear(around full moon i think) give " PARAGONE FOR KIDS number 2 " , which is Artemesia and Clove oil. The Clove Oil destroys the egg. What i am trying to say is kill the parasite and kill the eggs using Clove Oil. That way you get rid of them once and for all. Also, my research indicates that clove oil should not be used for a long time. Does the above make sense??? Thanks Rochelle. PS: my objective is not to devalue HUMAWORM in anyway. I am just a mother trying to help my child using the best product out there. Please help me and everyone else find the best possible way to treat. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 sound like a darn good plan to me. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:07 PMSubject: Re: Humaworm Update Melisa/Channa,thanks for your response. I am just trying to figure out the best possible approach in dealing with parasites and i have done a lot of research on it.I have also read many testimonials on HUMAWORM but have found from most testimonials that although there are gains, the gains dont stick too long. Read testimonial here:http://curezone.us/forums/fm.asp?i=1209529From more research i found out that this may be because the parasites are killed but their eggs are not. So, when the gains start disappearing it means that the eggs are hatching and now you have to give more parasite treatment. So what's the answer?? I think i found it. Kill the parasite using "Paragone" or "Humaworm" wait for a while and see when the gains disappear. Basically try to figure out in how many days do the gains disappear. 5 days before the gains will begin to disappear(around full moon i think) give "PARAGONE FOR KIDS number 2", which is Artemesia and Clove oil. The Clove Oil destroys the egg. What i am trying to say is kill the parasite and kill the eggs using Clove Oil. That way you get rid of them once and for all.Also, my research indicates that clove oil should not be used for a long time. Does the above make sense???ThanksRochelle.PS: my objective is not to devalue HUMAWORM in anyway. I am just a mother trying to help my child using the best product out there. Please help me and everyone else find the best possible way to treat.> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!!> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>> > > >>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM> > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update> > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?!> > > >>> > > That is awesome.> > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 hi, a few questions. what sort of time frame are we talking about for the gains to disappear? weeks? are you saying once i start to see a decline then use PARAGONE FOR KIDS number 2 thanks To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:06 AMSubject: Re: Re: Humaworm Update sound like a darn good plan to me. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:07 PMSubject: Re: Humaworm Update Melisa/Channa,thanks for your response. I am just trying to figure out the best possible approach in dealing with parasites and i have done a lot of research on it.I have also read many testimonials on HUMAWORM but have found from most testimonials that although there are gains, the gains dont stick too long. Read testimonial here:http://curezone.us/forums/fm.asp?i=1209529From more research i found out that this may be because the parasites are killed but their eggs are not. So, when the gains start disappearing it means that the eggs are hatching and now you have to give more parasite treatment. So what's the answer?? I think i found it. Kill the parasite using "Paragone" or "Humaworm" wait for a while and see when the gains disappear. Basically try to figure out in how many days do the gains disappear. 5 days before the gains will begin to disappear(around full moon i think) give "PARAGONE FOR KIDS number 2", which is Artemesia and Clove oil. The Clove Oil destroys the egg. What i am trying to say is kill the parasite and kill the eggs using Clove Oil. That way you get rid of them once and for all.Also, my research indicates that clove oil should not be used for a long time. Does the above make sense???ThanksRochelle.PS: my objective is not to devalue HUMAWORM in anyway. I am just a mother trying to help my child using the best product out there. Please help me and everyone else find the best possible way to treat.> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!!> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>> > > >>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM> > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update> > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?!> > > >>> > > That is awesome.> > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 This has not been the case in this house. My son's gains started sticking once the parasite load was down. You can't think one parasite cleanse is going to do it. It's an ongoing thing just as we treat all the other pathogens. Curcumin also makes worms infertile, so egg production decreases and so on...hopefully, the immune system eventually becomes strong enough to keep them in check, because you can never totally erradicate them. Amy > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 more dumb questions about parasites...I just ordered Humaworm. Should we wait until the next full moon to start it? Will we ACTUALLY see clumps and clumps of worms in the toilet, in our phlegm and other places? And lastly, If the worms come out, they are dead, right? I won't see wigglers? Because if I see wigglers, I am going to lose it. I may need some medication. When I read these accounts of people passing a 3 foot tapeworm, I just don't believe it. Wouldn't we be really, really sick and have impacted bowels? I can believe Microscope Mom (my attempt at humor) who is digging through poo and finding teeny tiny things, but are you all seriously seeing clumps that are undeniably worms? Reading these posts have convinced me that we need to do a parasite cleanse...I'm with you! I'm on board!! But some of the testemonials on other websites are just ridiculous and truly unbelievable. I've seen strings in my kids' poop that had no business being there and looked nothing like something they ate. That happened when we started iodine. But I have no way of confirming what they were. Honestly, I don't care to ever know what was in there...I just want it out, NOW, and I don't need to see it, feel it, or know about it! LOL. I'm so grossed out I dreamed of worms last night! Last question: what to do with my almost 3 year old who weighs only 26 pounds? Too little for Humaworm. Any suggestions? I want to treat all of us....mom, dad, son, two kitties and her...all at once. Thanks all! R > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > > > >>> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > > > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > > > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > > > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > > > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Don't freak out. Nothing has wiggled for us. Biggest noticeable change was die off sypmtoms ( like yeast die off) and very large bms. I saw white worms in my poop but not sons. He was the one who had the major die off symptoms though. We started 2 weeks before full moon. He is cycling this die off over and over. I guess that's killing the eggs and newly hatched... Who knows - but the day after he has one of these big (really huge) bms his skin is clear, his eyes are clear and he seems to feel great. Best success, Sent from my iPhone more dumb questions about parasites...I just ordered Humaworm. Should we wait until the next full moon to start it? Will we ACTUALLY see clumps and clumps of worms in the toilet, in our phlegm and other places? And lastly, If the worms come out, they are dead, right? I won't see wigglers? Because if I see wigglers, I am going to lose it. I may need some medication. When I read these accounts of people passing a 3 foot tapeworm, I just don't believe it. Wouldn't we be really, really sick and have impacted bowels? I can believe Microscope Mom (my attempt at humor) who is digging through poo and finding teeny tiny things, but are you all seriously seeing clumps that are undeniably worms? Reading these posts have convinced me that we need to do a parasite cleanse...I'm with you! I'm on board!! But some of the testemonials on other websites are just ridiculous and truly unbelievable. I've seen strings in my kids' poop that had no business being there and looked nothing like something they ate. That happened when we started iodine. But I have no way of confirming what they were. Honestly, I don't care to ever know what was in there...I just want it out, NOW, and I don't need to see it, feel it, or know about it! LOL. I'm so grossed out I dreamed of worms last night! Last question: what to do with my almost 3 year old who weighs only 26 pounds? Too little for Humaworm. Any suggestions? I want to treat all of us....mom, dad, son, two kitties and her...all at once. Thanks all! R > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > THE PUMPKIN POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELLULYA!!!!!!! > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > > > >>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > > > >>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:07 PM > > > > > >>> > > Subject: Re: Humaworm Update > > > > > >>> > Awwww.....you got the great pumpkin poop?!?!?! > > > > > >>> > > That is awesome. > > > > > >>> > -Tammy ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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