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I am looking for input on how services are using ONDANSETRON.

One of our Doctors is wanting us to start to have it available for

use. Both PO and IV/IM.

I have used it on a very limited bases.

So I thought I would throw it out to the brains that are larger than

mine for input.

Thanks

Tabor

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First of all, it is a great drug to add to your " tool box " .

Secondly, we have used Zofran for several years, and it is by far,

the drug that is used the most at our department. It is a very

useful drug that has many benefits over promethazine. Let's compare

the two....

promethazine

- condraindicated in children under 2

- causes CNS depression

- caution in use in elderly

- phenothiazines have shown to cause seizure activity and dystonia

- not recommended in use on pregnant patients

ondansetron

- may be used on children as young as 1 month old

- does not " snow " your patient

- is acceptable to use on pregnant patients

- no relative contraindications

One issue that I have run into is that promethazine still works

better on the patients that are violently vomiting. One ER doc

stated that Phenergan is for vomiting, and Zofran is for nausea.

This is mostly true. Also, studies show that ondansetron is

inaffective in " motion induced nausea " , where as promethazine would

be the drug of choice.

Some pediatric facilities have completely gone away from promethazine

and use ondansetron only. Cook Childrens in Ft Worth has been known

to give pedi patients ondansetron ODT, and then push oral fluids

without ever having to start an IV.

Hope this helps,

D. Stone

>

> I am looking for input on how services are using ONDANSETRON.

>

> One of our Doctors is wanting us to start to have it available for

> use. Both PO and IV/IM.

>

> I have used it on a very limited bases.

>

> So I thought I would throw it out to the brains that are larger

than

> mine for input.

>

> Thanks

>

> Tabor

>

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All good points Donnie. My biggest problems with phenergan are that I

recall vividly as a resident the label stating for IM use only. The

pocket books all said that while not labelled for IV use, it is

commonly done. Sometime later, the FDA amended the label. The

problem became one of tradition trampling progress. The real problem

is the use in less than large flowing IVs. It is caustic to veins and

caused problems.

In my services, I have replaced it with compazine or reglan. These may

be given safely IV or IM. All three (reglan, compazine, and

phenergan) are commonly used in pregnancy for hyperemesis gravadarum

without issue. In fact, at least since I was in medical school, these

were placed in bags of IV fluid and run in over days to stop pregnancy

induced vomiting. Reglan and compazine are also effective and listed

by the headache foundation for use in migraine, tension, and

non-specific headache. They can cause dyskinesia, but this is easily

treated and " cured " with benadryl. In fact, my use of reglan or

compazine for headache is to put 10mg of either in a liter of NS with

benadryl 50mg and run in as a bolus. The mild sedation in these cases

is a plus! If someone gets dystonia from these, you look like a

miracle worker when you give the benadryl!

Donnie is very correct that zofran does not tend to work well once a

patient begins vomiting. The company has also dropped the price

through the floor for injectible zofran. It has not done so for the

oral preparations. Thirty of the orally disintegrating tabs was over

$100.00 a couple of months ago!

In the words of our med school pharmacology professor, " Don't be the

first to pick up a new drug (I will add device/procedure/etc) or the

last to throw away an old one. "

Doc P

>

> ,

>

> First of all, it is a great drug to add to your " tool box " .

> Secondly, we have used Zofran for several years, and it is by far,

> the drug that is used the most at our department. It is a very

> useful drug that has many benefits over promethazine. Let's compare

> the two....

>

> promethazine

>

> - condraindicated in children under 2

> - causes CNS depression

> - caution in use in elderly

> - phenothiazines have shown to cause seizure activity and dystonia

> - not recommended in use on pregnant patients

>

> ondansetron

>

> - may be used on children as young as 1 month old

> - does not " snow " your patient

> - is acceptable to use on pregnant patients

> - no relative contraindications

>

> One issue that I have run into is that promethazine still works

> better on the patients that are violently vomiting. One ER doc

> stated that Phenergan is for vomiting, and Zofran is for nausea.

> This is mostly true. Also, studies show that ondansetron is

> inaffective in " motion induced nausea " , where as promethazine would

> be the drug of choice.

>

> Some pediatric facilities have completely gone away from promethazine

> and use ondansetron only. Cook Childrens in Ft Worth has been known

> to give pedi patients ondansetron ODT, and then push oral fluids

> without ever having to start an IV.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> D. Stone

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