RE: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

[Guest guest]

Those statistics are published bimonthly in Texas EMS Magazine.

Donn

[Guest guest]

>

> I've seen it on the TX DSHS site before but I can't seem to find it

> again......Where can I find how many: Paramedics, Intermediates,

Basic,

> ECA's in Texas currently? thnx.....

>

It is pretty difficult to navigate; however, here are the steps:

1. TDSHS Bureau of EMS HOME page

2. Click " EMS " on the left side of that page.

3. Click on EMS Certification and Licensing Index

4. Click on the " Statistics " on the bottom of the list.

Good luck! If you don't find it, here is the info:

ECA 4306

EMT-B 27469

EMT-I 3703

EMT-P 10430

LP 5508

Total: 51416

Pretty depressing when you think of how many people live in this

state.....we definitely need more EMS personnel.

Macara Trusty

MedStar

Fort Worth

[Guest guest]

" Total: 51416 "

& nbsp;

Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through TCFP, that

work for a fire service somewhere.... & nbsp;

Jeff Ellison, EMT

& nbsp;

From: tmedic2 & lt;tmedic2@... & gt;

Subject: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 6:00 PM

& gt;

& gt; I've seen it on the TX DSHS site before but I can't seem to find it

& gt; again......Where can I find how many: Paramedics, Intermediates,

Basic,

& gt; ECA's in Texas currently? thnx.....

& gt;

It is pretty difficult to navigate; however, here are the steps:

1. TDSHS Bureau of EMS HOME page

2. Click " EMS " on the left side of that page.

3. Click on EMS Certification and Licensing Index

4. Click on the " Statistics " on the bottom of the list.

Good luck! If you don't find it, here is the info:

ECA 4306

EMT-B 27469

EMT-I 3703

EMT-P 10430

LP 5508

Total: 51416

Pretty depressing when you think of how many people live in this

state.....we definitely need more EMS personnel.

Macara Trusty

MedStar

Fort Worth

[Guest guest]

Just curious, but why would you do that? Are they not medics?

Toni, EMT-B

On Behalf Of Jeff Ellison

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:35 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

" Total: 51416 "

Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through TCFP, that

work for a fire service somewhere....

Jeff Ellison, EMT

[Guest guest]

To the misinformed from a firefighter/EMTP. In order to gain certification from

TCFP as a firefighter, you must also gain certification as at least EMTB. Thus

making a WHOLE lot of medics who don't want to be medics.

Steve G

Toni wrote:

Just curious, but why would you do that? Are they not medics?

Toni, EMT-B

On Behalf Of Jeff Ellison

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:35 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

" Total: 51416 "

Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through TCFP, that

work for a fire service somewhere....

Jeff Ellison, EMT

[Guest guest]

Just because there are those who don't want to be medics doesn't mean

they should not be counted. They still had to go through the training

and must maintain CEs.

Sent from Toni' iPhone.

On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Steve Gann

wrote:

> To the misinformed from a firefighter/EMTP. In order to gain

> certification from TCFP as a firefighter, you must also gain

> certification as at least EMTB. Thus making a WHOLE lot of medics

> who don't want to be medics.

>

> Steve G

>

> Toni wrote:

> Just curious, but why would you do that? Are they not medics?

>

> Toni, EMT-B

>

> On Behalf Of Jeff Ellison

> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:35 PM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly. So it is not fair or accurate to count us out.

Toni wrote: Just because there are those

who don't want to be medics doesn't mean

they should not be counted. They still had to go through the training

and must maintain CEs.

Sent from Toni' iPhone.

On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Steve Gann

wrote:

> To the misinformed from a firefighter/EMTP. In order to gain

> certification from TCFP as a firefighter, you must also gain

> certification as at least EMTB. Thus making a WHOLE lot of medics

> who don't want to be medics.

>

> Steve G

>

> Toni wrote:

> Just curious, but why would you do that? Are they not medics?

>

> Toni, EMT-B

>

> On Behalf Of Jeff Ellison

> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:35 PM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

EMS certified is EMS certified last time I checked.

LNM.

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Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school only

that you did and have completed the cert process.

Terrell

For what its worth

Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,...,.,....( all the other things that still mean

I am a paramedic)

[Guest guest]

Hey some folks get bent out of shape when you say a Paramedic is an EMT. The

vast majority of Americans have no clue as to the differences in Cert levels.

LNM

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Re: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school only

that you did and have completed the cert process.

Terrell

For what its worth

Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,...,.,....( all the other things that still mean

I am a paramedic)

[Guest guest]

Yea I know and I frankly don't agree with the idea only because I think it's

a non-issue that wastes the time of the entities arguing the point.

The media will use what ever terms they want half the time they can't get a

story right if the persons involved writes it for them.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Home Phone)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

(IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

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In a message dated 6/2/2008 8:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Hence why, to help alleviate confusion, at least one national EMS

stakeholder agency has a position paper?to call ALL who ride the box (or van,

or

helicopter, or plane, or pumper, or aerial, etc) " MEDIC " ...regardless of

certification.? It helps avoid confusion of the lay public and helps avoid

Paramedics

getting pissed off when the media says " EMT's assist poor little old lady.... "

Dudley

Re: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school

only that you did and have completed the cert process.

Terrell

For what its worth

Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,...,.,....( all the other things that still

mean I am a paramedic)

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, and most of the time it's " ambulance driver. "

GG

Ambulance Driver Grade IV

>

> Yea I know and I frankly don't agree with the idea only because I think it's

> a non-issue that wastes the time of the entities arguing the point.

>

> The media will use what ever terms they want half the time they can't get a

> story right if the persons involved writes it for them.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Cons Freelance Consultant/Traine

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

> for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

> the

> original author.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/2/2008 8:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> THEDUDMAN@... writes:

>

> Hence why, to help alleviate confusion, at least one national EMS

> stakeholder agency has a position paper?to call ALL who ride the box (or

> van, or

> helicopter, or plane, or pumper, or aerial, etc) " MEDIC " ...regardles heli

> certification. certification.<wbr>? It helps avoid confusion of the lay

> public and hel

> getting pissed off when the media says " EMT's assist poor little old

> lady.... "

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school

> only that you did and have completed the cert process.

>

> Terrell

>

> For what its worth

> Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,.. Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,..<wbr>.,.,

> mean I am a paramedic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey,

Here is a question for this list...so you have to have EMT-B to be a TCFP

Firefighter (is it no longer ECA?)...so, do they have to keep it to maintain

their TCFP FF Certification?? I know many departments require it, but does the

TCFP?

Dudley

Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

" Total: 51416 "

Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through TCFP, that

work for a fire service somewhere....

Jeff Ellison, EMT

[Guest guest]

Hence why, to help alleviate confusion, at least one national EMS stakeholder

agency has a position paper?to call ALL who ride the box (or van, or helicopter,

or plane, or pumper, or aerial, etc) " MEDIC " ...regardless of certification.? It

helps avoid confusion of the lay public and helps avoid Paramedics getting

pissed off when the media says " EMT's assist poor little old lady.... "

Dudley

Re: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school only

that you did and have completed the cert process.

Terrell

For what its worth

Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,...,.,....( all the other things that still mean

I am a paramedic)

[Guest guest]

If you look at TCFP sectop 4.23.1, you do not have to be an EMT-B to

become TCFP certified. I know someone that had only the 40 hour

American Red Cross when he got certified.

http://www.tcfp.state.tx.us/standards/standards_manual/standards_manual.asp?rule\

=423.1

Prior to being appointed to fire suppression duties, personnel must

complete a commission approved basic structure fire suppression program

and successfully complete a commission recognized emergency medical

course. The individual must successfully pass the commission examination

pertaining to that curriculum as required by §423.3

<http://www.tcfp.state.tx.us/standards/standards_manual/standards_manual.asp?rul\

e=423.3>

of this title. The commission recognizes the following emergency medical

training:

1. Department of State Health Services Emergency Medical Service

Personnel certification training;

2. an American Red Cross Emergency Response course, including the

optional lessons and enrichment sections;

3. an American Safety and Health Institute First Responder course;

4. National Registry of Emergency Medical Technicians certification; or

5. medical training deemed equivalent by the commission.

Ed Walsh

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

>

> Hey,

>

> Here is a question for this list...so you have to have EMT-B to be a

> TCFP Firefighter (is it no longer ECA?)...so, do they have to keep it

> to maintain their TCFP FF Certification?? I know many departments

> require it, but does the TCFP?

>

> Dudley

>

> Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya beat me to it. ECA is acceptable and many FD's will hire with the intent to

upgrade to Basic and now with online that is easier. Some Fire Academies will

however require a B card before the Academy begins so it varies. I think that

all things being equal (not that they ever are) a Firefigther with a B card has

a leg up on an ECA in most cases.

LNM

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Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you look at the trend in Texas, more specifically around the DFW

metroplex, fire departments are now looking for paramedics with the

desire to become a firefighter. Only Dallas, Fort Wort and Arlington

will accept FF EMT-B but most of the cities between require a paramedic

certification now. They are allowing the current EMT-Bs in their

department to stay.

Ed Walsh

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> Yea I know and I frankly don't agree with the idea only because I

> think it's

> a non-issue that wastes the time of the entities arguing the point.

>

> The media will use what ever terms they want half the time they can't

> get a

> story right if the persons involved writes it for them.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@... <mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com>

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Home Phone)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Office)

> (IFW/TFW/FSS Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

> only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the

> original author.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/2/2008 8:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> THEDUDMAN@... <mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com> writes:

>

> Hence why, to help alleviate confusion, at least one national EMS

> stakeholder agency has a position paper?to call ALL who ride the box

> (or van, or

> helicopter, or plane, or pumper, or aerial, etc) " MEDIC " ...regardless of

> certification.? It helps avoid confusion of the lay public and helps

> avoid Paramedics

> getting pissed off when the media says " EMT's assist poor little old

> lady.... "

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification

> Levels?

>

> Why is there such a dispute???? It does not matter why you went to school

> only that you did and have completed the cert process.

>

> Terrell

>

> For what its worth

> Terrell EMT-P CC...,...,...,.,....( all the other things that

> still

> mean I am a paramedic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually....in the not too distant past, TCFP changed it's wording (for

whatever reason??!?) to say the applicant must be 'medically trained';

not specifically EMTB or ECA, just trained. A first aid course could

cover this. My opinion is that they took a few steps backwards when

they did this (maybe to appease smaller, less funded, volunteer

services?). But, regardless, if you are EMT certified in Texas, you

will be listed on the TX DSHS Certification web site search.

[Guest guest]

How long ago was that? Best of luck to anyone who is LESS than EMTB hiring on

at any FD.

Ed Walsh wrote: If you look at TCFP sectop

4.23.1, you do not have to be an EMT-B to

become TCFP certified. I know someone that had only the 40 hour

American Red Cross when he got certified.

http://www.tcfp.state.tx.us/standards/standards_manual/standards_manual.asp?rule\

=423.1

Prior to being appointed to fire suppression duties, personnel must

complete a commission approved basic structure fire suppression program

and successfully complete a commission recognized emergency medical

course. The individual must successfully pass the commission examination

pertaining to that curriculum as required by §423.3

<http://www.tcfp.state.tx.us/standards/standards_manual/standards_manual.asp?rul\

e=423.3>

of this title. The commission recognizes the following emergency medical

training:

1. Department of State Health Services Emergency Medical Service

Personnel certification training;

2. an American Red Cross Emergency Response course, including the

optional lessons and enrichment sections;

3. an American Safety and Health Institute First Responder course;

4. National Registry of Emergency Medical Technicians certification; or

5. medical training deemed equivalent by the commission.

Ed Walsh

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

>

> Hey,

>

> Here is a question for this list...so you have to have EMT-B to be a

> TCFP Firefighter (is it no longer ECA?)...so, do they have to keep it

> to maintain their TCFP FF Certification?? I know many departments

> require it, but does the TCFP?

>

> Dudley

>

> Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know 3 guy hired in the pan handle in the past 3 years that had ECA. All 3

were told upon hire they had 1 year to test and get EMT-B which was done via

online services at FD exspende.

LNM

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Re:State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

>

> " Total: 51416 "

> Now subtract from that the 19000+ that are certified FF's through

> TCFP, that work for a fire service somewhere....

>

> Jeff Ellison, EMT

>

>

[Guest guest]

BUT...no one has answered my question of a few days ago...you have to have

medical training to become TCFP certified...

Do you have to KEEP it....You get your EMT-B, you are then a firefighter....4

years later you do not renew your EMT-B...you do not take any first aid course

or any other medical training...do you remain a TCFP firefighter?? Is it a

checkbox once in your career or a constant requirement to maintain

certification?

Dudley

Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification Levels?

Actually....in the not too distant past, TCFP changed it's wording (for

whatever reason??!?) to say the applicant must be 'medically trained';

not specifically EMTB or ECA, just trained. A first aid course could

cover this. My opinion is that they took a few steps backwards when

they did this (maybe to appease smaller, less funded, volunteer

services?). But, regardless, if you are EMT certified in Texas, you

will be listed on the TX DSHS Certification web site search.

[Guest guest]

Dudley,

I have attached the TCFP rule for initial requirements for a

structural firefighter in Texas. It does not require an actual DSHS

certification. I have not found any mention of continued medical

certification requirement for TCFP in the recertification rules.

I do know personally that the TCFP CE hour requirement does not

require EMS hours and they do not verify continued certification for

recert.

I hope this helps and answers you question.

Mike Shown

§423.1 - Minimum Standards for Structure Fire Protection Personnel

Protection Personnel Certification

Fire protection personnel of any local government entity, who receive

probationary or temporary appointment to structure fire protection

duties, must be certified by the commission within one year from the

date of their appointment in a structural fire protection personnel

position.

Prior to being appointed to fire suppression duties, personnel must

complete a commission approved basic structure fire suppression

program and successfully complete a commission recognized emergency

medical course. The individual must successfully pass the commission

examination pertaining to that curriculum as required by §423.3 of

this title. The commission recognizes the following emergency medical

training:

Department of State Health Services Emergency Medical Service

Personnel certification training;

an American Red Cross Emergency Response course, including the

optional lessons and enrichment sections;

an American Safety and Health Institute First Responder course;

National Registry of Emergency Medical Technicians certification; or

medical training deemed equivalent by the commission.

Personnel holding any level of structure fire protection personnel

certification must comply with the continuing education requirements

specified in §441.7 of this title (relating to Continuing Education

for Structure Fire Protection Personnel).

Source: The provisions of this §423.1 adopted to be effective

November 1, 1998, amended to be effective December 16, 2002; amended

to be effective November 15, 2003; amended to be effective May 6,

2004; amended to be effective March 27, 2006, 31 TexReg 2695; amended

to be effective December 3, 2006, 31 TexReg 9618

>

> BUT...no one has answered my question of a few days ago...you have

to have medical training to become TCFP certified...

>

> Do you have to KEEP it....You get your EMT-B, you are then a

firefighter....4 years later you do not renew your EMT-B...you do not

take any first aid course or any other medical training...do you

remain a TCFP firefighter?? Is it a checkbox once in your career or a

constant requirement to maintain certification?

>

> Dudley

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You do NOT have to keep it unless your particular employer requires

it through their policy, rules, regulations. Plenty of FD's do NOT

require it, so, that's that. This is a challenge we face at our FD.

There still exists a select few that believe (regardless of the

statistics; 70-80% Medical Calls, 10% Fires) that 'Fireman put out

fires..and that's it.' Maybe I can't fully comprehend the

consequences to a rural, volunteer dept of TCFP requiring a minimum

cert, but I certainly hope they reconsider the consequences of NOT

requiring anything..

>

> BUT...no one has answered my question of a few days ago...you have

to have medical training to become TCFP certified...

>

> Do you have to KEEP it....You get your EMT-B, you are then a

firefighter....4 years later you do not renew your EMT-B...you do not

take any first aid course or any other medical training...do you

remain a TCFP firefighter?? Is it a checkbox once in your career or a

constant requirement to maintain certification?

>

> Dudley

>

>

> Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification

Levels?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Actually....in the not too distant past, TCFP changed it's wording

(for

> whatever reason??!?) to say the applicant must be 'medically

trained';

> not specifically EMTB or ECA, just trained. A first aid course

could

> cover this. My opinion is that they took a few steps backwards when

> they did this (maybe to appease smaller, less funded, volunteer

> services?). But, regardless, if you are EMT certified in Texas, you

> will be listed on the TX DSHS Certification web site search.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

TCFP in no way applies to a VFD only paid Firefighters.

LNM

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Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification

Levels?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Actually....in the not too distant past, TCFP changed it's wording

(for

> whatever reason??!?) to say the applicant must be 'medically

trained';

> not specifically EMTB or ECA, just trained. A first aid course

could

> cover this. My opinion is that they took a few steps backwards when

> they did this (maybe to appease smaller, less funded, volunteer

> services?). But, regardless, if you are EMT certified in Texas, you

> will be listed on the TX DSHS Certification web site search.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Last I checked....There are a few volunteer depts that also have some

paid members.. And some volunteer depts also like to get some members

TCFP certified..

-- In texasems-l , " Louis N. Molino, Sr. "

wrote:

>

> TCFP in no way applies to a VFD only paid Firefighters.

>

> LNM

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: State-wide Statistics on Certification

> Levels?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Actually....in the not too distant past, TCFP changed it's

wording

> (for

> > whatever reason??!?) to say the applicant must be 'medically

> trained';

> > not specifically EMTB or ECA, just trained. A first aid course

> could

> > cover this. My opinion is that they took a few steps backwards

when

> > they did this (maybe to appease smaller, less funded, volunteer

> > services?). But, regardless, if you are EMT certified in Texas,

you

> > will be listed on the TX DSHS Certification web site search.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >