phenol assist by kirkman vs No fenol by houston

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Hi everyone,

I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good results

with kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the dose

that worked.

is

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Is this the one where you have to obstain from phenols and use the enzyme or the to take when consuming phenols

Shirley A. McBurney-

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:43 PMSubject: phenol assist by kirkman vs No fenol by houston

Hi everyone,I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good results with kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the dose that worked.is

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You take it when consuming the phenol containing foods. It helps process phenol

better and the child either has no reaction or a milder reaction to phenols.

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> Is this the one where you have to obstain from phenols and use the enzyme or

the to take when consuming phenols

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> Hi everyone,

> I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good

results with kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the

dose that worked.

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We’ve been using Phenol assist by kirkman. We use other enzyme products by Houston but the phenol product that was recommended to us (by trusted sources) was the kirkman brand. It makes a difference in stimming – both physical and verbal. I usually empty one capsule into each of his juices (pear) at breakfast, lunch, dinner. We loosely follow Feingold (our main diet is SCD) and avoid high phenol foods but every once in a while we will have spaghetti (with spaghetti squash) or he’ll have raisins for a snack. If we are having high phenol food, I’ll give him two. Our biggest gains came from going to SCD in trying to get his yeast in check, but maybe SCD is also starving some of the other bacteria and parasites that I know are there. I’m going to try some of ’s “anti-parasite” remedies. Cheers, mardi

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Can someone tell me what is the difference between No Phenol and the Phenol Assist?..We have been using Trienze ezyme by Houston which has 1/2 no phenol, and I am thinking maybe we should just add Phenol assist for Phenol/salcilayes issues?

To: mb12valtrex From: mardib@...Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:15:44 -0800Subject: RE: phenol assist by kirkman vs No fenol by houston

We’ve been using Phenol assist by kirkman. We use other enzyme products by Houston but the phenol product that was recommended to us (by trusted sources) was the kirkman brand. It makes a difference in stimming – both physical and verbal.

I usually empty one capsule into each of his juices (pear) at breakfast, lunch, dinner. We loosely follow Feingold (our main diet is SCD) and avoid high phenol foods but every once in a while we will have spaghetti (with spaghetti squash) or he’ll have raisins for a snack. If we are having high phenol food, I’ll give him two. Our biggest gains came from going to SCD in trying to get his yeast in check, but maybe SCD is also starving some of the other bacteria and parasites that I know are there. I’m going to try some of ’s “anti-parasite” remedies.

Cheers, mardi

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mardi! I thought about trying SCD several times but my son's IGG test

showed allergy to all nuts and lentils. Phenol is a big issue for my son. I am

looking into feingold diet and may start him on that.

is

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Our story shortened, even though it is still long (sorry):

Boy 1: crazy hyper-sensitive to salicylates since he was a toddler. We put him

on Feingold and it helped A LOT. He is not ASD, but shared many health and

behavioral issues and probably would've ended up diagnosed Asperger's or

something when he was older. Biomed saved him and all he is left with is

salicylate sensitivity (and his genetics), but with all the other treatments it

is MUCH better than it used to be. No-Fenol really didn't help him at all when

he was at his worst. He can now have salicylates if we give him No-Fenol. We

give two capsules and sometimes even more. When we first discovered it worked

for him, we went whole hog letting him have all the salicylates he wanted with

No-Fenol. We soon learned that although it helped with behavioral issues, after

two or three days of too many high-salicylate foods (even with No-Fenol), he

would have other issues like bedwetting (which hasn't been a problem for a

couple years) and nightmares. So, we still limit the worst offenders and give

No-Fenol when he does have them. For him the worst is tomatoes, followed by

apples and grapes.

Boy 2: my ASD child who is doing fantastically well. We didn't realize he had

a salicylate problem until maybe 6 months ago or so. He had never shown a

difference when we limited him in the past, but he was so affected back then.

So when we recently cut them out, we saw a huge positive difference! We also

made a few other changes at that time and all those changes together have

brought him to an unbeliveably positive place. We are SOOOOO close to fully

recovered. Anyway, because of that and the fact that I keep having other

changes I want to make (and only want to change one thing at a time), I have

been unwillingly (aka: terrified!) to try in salicylates yet, even with

No-Fenol, so I don't know if it would help him or not.

What I can tell you is that there is a very clear correlation between B12 and

salicylate tolerance for both of my boys. When they were religiously on their

B12, they were more tolerant. When I had to take them off, they both became

more sensitive again. This effect is more of an " over time " effect rather than

an " overnight " effect.

I highly recommend following the Feingold program for anyone who has salicylate

issues. It is so helpful to have the shopping guide! It helps you get to a

baseline from which you can then learn your child's true individual

sensitivities.

Blessings,

Cathy

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> Hi everyone,

> I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good

results with kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the

dose that worked.

> is

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip on B12.

Subject: Re: phenol assist by kirkman vs No fenol by houstonTo: mb12valtrex Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 7:16 AM

Our story shortened, even though it is still long (sorry):Boy 1: crazy hyper-sensitive to salicylates since he was a toddler. We put him on Feingold and it helped A LOT. He is not ASD, but shared many health and behavioral issues and probably would've ended up diagnosed Asperger's or something when he was older. Biomed saved him and all he is left with is salicylate sensitivity (and his genetics), but with all the other treatments it is MUCH better than it used to be. No-Fenol really didn't help him at all when he was at his worst. He can now have salicylates if we give him No-Fenol. We give two capsules and sometimes even more. When we first discovered it worked for him, we went whole hog letting him have all the salicylates he wanted with No-Fenol. We soon learned that although it helped with behavioral issues, after two or three days of too many high-salicylate foods (even with No-Fenol), he would have other issues like bedwetting (which

hasn't been a problem for a couple years) and nightmares. So, we still limit the worst offenders and give No-Fenol when he does have them. For him the worst is tomatoes, followed by apples and grapes.Boy 2: my ASD child who is doing fantastically well. We didn't realize he had a salicylate problem until maybe 6 months ago or so. He had never shown a difference when we limited him in the past, but he was so affected back then. So when we recently cut them out, we saw a huge positive difference! We also made a few other changes at that time and all those changes together have brought him to an unbeliveably positive place. We are SOOOOO close to fully recovered. Anyway, because of that and the fact that I keep having other changes I want to make (and only want to change one thing at a time), I have been unwillingly (aka: terrified!) to try in salicylates yet, even with No-Fenol, so I don't know if it would help him or not.What I can tell

you is that there is a very clear correlation between B12 and salicylate tolerance for both of my boys. When they were religiously on their B12, they were more tolerant. When I had to take them off, they both became more sensitive again. This effect is more of an "over time" effect rather than an "overnight" effect.I highly recommend following the Feingold program for anyone who has salicylate issues. It is so helpful to have the shopping guide! It helps you get to a baseline from which you can then learn your child's true individual sensitivities.Blessings,Cathy>> Hi everyone,> I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good results with

kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the dose that worked.> is>

[Guest guest]

Cathy, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I agree with you about the

MB12. Recently, since I am working on so many things including the gcmaf shots,

I sometimes delay the shot by one day and I do see that he gets more stimmy,

inattentive and right after eating his food, he gets extremely hyper. How often

do you use the MB12 shots? Sometimes I feel like I should try to do it more

often than every third day as by the third day, I start feeling like the

benefits are disappearing already. I know a lot of children who can tolerate the

shots are on daily ones. So I am thinking that once things settle down a bit

with yeast, I should look into increasing the frequency of the shots. Also, can

you share what is the best way to do the Feingold? There are so many things on

the website. Should I get the books or become a member?

And again, I just love your posts. You are such a big help. Thanks

is

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> > Hi everyone,

> > I am starting an enzyme for phenols and was wondering if people had good

results with kirkman phenol assist or No fenol by houston? Also please share the

dose that worked.

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[Guest guest]

Well, we were using MB12 shots every three days along with folinic acid. We saw

lots of good gains. They had been doing them for a couple years faithfully. We

eventually started to feel like the boys weren't tolerating them or the folinic

as well as they used to so we pulled the shots and did see a positive

improvement. However, new symptoms have shown up that point to their need for

the B12 (plus they have MTHFr mutations), so we really want to get B12 back on

board.

I don't know if you remember, but I have been learning the Yasko information

(which is AMAZING), so I recently started the older son on hydroxy B12 and that

has been a real blessing. He did get a bit more emotional the first few days

back on it, but has leveled out now. I also added in folapro to replace the

folinic acid. These forms of B12 and folate are the forms that their bodies

don't have to work for. I haven't got the younger one on the hydroxy or folapro

yet because I have other things I am trying to get in first.

The added benefit to what I am doing now is the hydroxy B12 is an oral liquid

and SO much cheaper. No more buying monthly shots that are shipped on ice.

Yet, we are still bypassing the digestive tract by doing oral absorption. We

did try the mb12 lollipops and they were good, but my son still seemed to have a

negative response to them. So now I am enjoying the lollipops that are

leftover.

If you are giving the shots, he is tolerating them well, and you feel he is

losing the benefit over three days, then yes, you may need to go to once per day

even if just for awhile. We never needed to do the shots more than every three

days, but some people do. I think some people can later drop back to every

three days though. With us doing the drops, we do one drop per day as a steady

stream.

As far as Feingold, the very best way is to become a member. They will send you

a bunch of information and a shopping guide for your region. You also then get

regular newsletters and announcements. They will keep you informed of newly

approved foods and any changes to products already on their lists. What's nice

is if you do want to avoid other things like MSG, HVP, HFCS, sodium benzoate,

etc, these items are also listed for the products although you aren't required

to avoid them as part of the Feingold program. You can also join in on their

message board if you wish. At this point in our lives, we don't buy a lot of

processed foods, but the shopping list is so helpful when we do.

We had to live by the Feingold list for quite a long time (including nonfood

items), but when the sensitivities lessened it wasn't as big of a deal. When

the sensitivities increased again, I renewed my membership that had expired a

couple years prior and got a new book which was nice because a lot of new items

had been added to the shopping list. I haven't had to worry about changing our

non-food items though.

Hope that helps,

Cathy

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> Cathy, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I agree with you about

the MB12. Recently, since I am working on so many things including the gcmaf

shots, I sometimes delay the shot by one day and I do see that he gets more

stimmy, inattentive and right after eating his food, he gets extremely hyper.

How often do you use the MB12 shots? Sometimes I feel like I should try to do it

more often than every third day as by the third day, I start feeling like the

benefits are disappearing already. I know a lot of children who can tolerate the

shots are on daily ones. So I am thinking that once things settle down a bit

with yeast, I should look into increasing the frequency of the shots. Also, can

you share what is the best way to do the Feingold? There are so many things on

the website. Should I get the books or become a member?

> And again, I just love your posts. You are such a big help. Thanks

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