Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK - Phoenix...

[Guest guest]

The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

west of Flagstaff.

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[Guest guest]

The helicopter that went down, was Air Evac Services ( which is operated by PHI

), not Air Evac Lifeteam. Thank God no one was hurt or killed.

Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK -

Phoenix...

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

west of Flagstaff.

Joanna Burgan

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[Guest guest]

We must be using different definitions of " hurt " . In regard to the Arizona

PHI crash (according to the AP):

Paramedic in critical condition (required emergency surgery)

Nurse in serious condition.

Pilot in good condition.

Interestingly, motorcycle victim they were going after transported in GO

CONDITION.

At what point will we say enough is enough.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of elaine graninger

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:36 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

- Phoenix...

The helicopter that went down, was Air Evac Services ( which is operated by

PHI ), not Air Evac Lifeteam. Thank God no one was hurt or killed.

From: JBurgan144@... <mailto:JBurgan144%40aol.com> <JBurgan144@...

<mailto:JBurgan144%40aol.com> >

Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

- Phoenix...

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

west of Flagstaff.

Joanna Burgan

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[Guest guest]

My " inside " information is that the medic has a " shattered pelvis " and was

ejected from the ship. Nurse has multiple internal injuries. Pilot treated

and released.

Apparently there was a " brown out " on approach, and the ship hit the ground

hard, rose up again, and hit hard again.

GG

>

> We must be using different definitions of " hurt " . In regard to the Arizona

> PHI crash (according to the AP):

>

> Paramedic in critical condition (required emergency surgery)

>

> Nurse in serious condition.

>

> Pilot in good condition.

>

> Interestingly, motorcycle victim they were going after transported in GO

> CONDITION.

>

> At what point will we say enough is enough.

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of elaine graninger

> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:36 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

> - Phoenix...

>

> The helicopter that went down, was Air Evac Services ( which is operated by

> PHI ), not Air Evac Lifeteam. Thank God no one was hurt or killed.

>

>

>

> From: JBurgan144@... <mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> <JBurgan144@...

> <mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> >

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

> - Phoenix...

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

>

> The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> west of Flagstaff.

>

> Joanna Burgan

> You only start learning after you think you know it all!

>

> ************ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

> fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050

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>

>

[Guest guest]

A " brown-out " is when the helicopter is landing on dirt, and the rotor wash

stirs up a " dust storm " as it approaches the ground, leading to the pilot not

being able to tell how far he is from the ground. So he's in a dust storm,

and unless he can pull up and get out of it, the ship will be apt to have a hard

landing.

GG

>

> Gene what's a " Brown Out " can you put that in context?

>

> LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew

> OK

> > - Phoenix...

> > To: texasems-l@yahoogro To: tex<mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

> >

> > The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> > Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> > west of Flagstaff.

> >

> > Joanna Burgan

> > You only start learning after you think you know it all!

> >

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> > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Gene what's a " Brown Out " can you put that in context?

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

> - Phoenix...

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

>

> The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> west of Flagstaff.

>

> Joanna Burgan

> You only start learning after you think you know it all!

>

> ************ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

> fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050

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>

[Guest guest]

Ah makes sense now.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew

> OK

> > - Phoenix...

> > To: texasems-l@yahoogro To: tex<mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

> >

> > The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> > Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> > west of Flagstaff.

> >

> > Joanna Burgan

> > You only start learning after you think you know it all!

> >

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> > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050

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[Guest guest]

Brown out occurs when blowing dust/dirt obscures the pilot's vision. This

can cause spatial disorientation and its very easy to for the aircraft to

drift from the approach path. Several things can result, most are bad. First

is

a hard landing. That's a landing that is so forceful that the machine is

damaged. The impact can result in the blades flexing down and cutting off the

tail boom. This will cause the helicopter to spin out of control. The other

thing that can occur with lateral drift is the landing gear can contact the

ground and cause the helicopter to pivot about that point in a condition

known as dynamic roll over. The machine will literally roll about the pivot

point, the blades will contact the ground and the aircraft will be severely

damaged if not destroyed. The energy contained in the rotor blades is

phenomenal.

When they start coming apart, nothing is safe for a wide area.

Hope this helps explain things.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 6/29/2008 00:37:43 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

Gene what's a " Brown Out " can you put that in context?

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

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-----Original Message-----

From: wegandy1938@...

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:06:44

To: <texasems-l >

Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

- Phoenix...

My " inside " information is that the medic has a " shattered pelvis " and was

ejected from the ship. Nurse has multiple internal injuries. Pilot

treated

and released.

Apparently there was a " brown out " on approach, and the ship hit the ground

hard, rose up again, and hit hard again.

GG

In a message dated 6/28/08 8:59:43 AM, bbledsoe@... writes:

>

> We must be using different definitions of " hurt " . In regard to the Arizona

> PHI crash (according to the AP):

>

> Paramedic in critical condition (required emergency surgery)

>

> Nurse in serious condition.

>

> Pilot in good condition.

>

> Interestingly, motorcycle victim they were going after transported in GO

> CONDITION.

>

> At what point will we say enough is enough.

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of elaine graninger

> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:36 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew

OK

> - Phoenix...

>

> The helicopter that went down, was Air Evac Services ( which is operated by

> PHI ), not Air Evac Lifeteam. Thank God no one was hurt or killed.

>

>

>

> From: JBurgan144@... <mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> <JBurgan144@...

> <mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> >

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew

OK

> - Phoenix...

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

>

> The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> west of Flagstaff.

>

> Joanna Burgan

> You only start learning after you think you know it all!

>

> ************ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

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[Guest guest]

Guess this is why they request we wet down the L/Z's before the helicopters

arrival.

Wonder where the FD was?

Jim<

[Guest guest]

From the condition of the ship as shown in the pictures, it is a miracle that

anyone survived.

BTW, the information I am getting is that there was no reason to have called

for air in the first place. The patient was grounded and is doing fine, far

better than the flight medic and nurse. Nurse suffered fractures of the

vertebrae plus other injuries. Medic has a " shattered " pelvis.

GG

>

> Guess this is why they request we wet down the L/Z's before the helicopters

> arrival.

>

> Wonder where the FD was?

>

> Jim<

>

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[Guest guest]

Could that be because the pilot had the only “crash-rated†seat? I’m not

sure if it was that way in this particular ship, but I know it was that way in

some other ones I’ve seen. Never made much sense to me.

Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P.

C-Shift

EMS Administration Officer

Azle, Texas Fire Department

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of wegandy1938@...

Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:07 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK -

Phoenix...

My " inside " information is that the medic has a " shattered pelvis " and was

ejected from the ship. Nurse has multiple internal injuries. Pilot treated

and released.

Apparently there was a " brown out " on approach, and the ship hit the ground

hard, rose up again, and hit hard again.

GG

In a message dated 6/28/08 8:59:43 AM, bbledsoe@...

<mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> writes:

>

> We must be using different definitions of " hurt " . In regard to the Arizona

> PHI crash (according to the AP):

>

> Paramedic in critical condition (required emergency surgery)

>

> Nurse in serious condition.

>

> Pilot in good condition.

>

> Interestingly, motorcycle victim they were going after transported in GO

> CONDITION.

>

> At what point will we say enough is enough.

>

> From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem] On

> Behalf Of elaine graninger

> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:36 PM

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

> - Phoenix...

>

> The helicopter that went down, was Air Evac Services ( which is operated by

> PHI ), not Air Evac Lifeteam. Thank God no one was hurt or killed.

>

>

>

> From: JBurgan144@... <mailto:JBurgan144%40aol.JBu>

<mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> <JBurgan144@... <mailto:JBurgan144%40aol.JBu>

> <mailto:JBurgan144%mailto:JB> >

> Subject: Re: Air Evac helicopter crashes near Prescott, crew OK

> - Phoenix...

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai>

> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:18 PM

>

> The crew members are okay according to our news here. This is not the same

> Air Evac that serves in the Texas communities. The area they went down is

> west of Flagstaff.

>

> Joanna Burgan

> You only start learning after you think you know it all!

>

> ************ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

> fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050

> 000000007)

>

>