Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Thanks Dr. Bledsoe.? Dudley Food for thought Calendar year to date: 9 HEMS accidents 17 deaths 11 injuries Flagstaff, AZ (6/29/08) Flagstaff, AZ (6/2/08) Prescott, AZ (6/28/08) Huntsville, TX (6/8/08) Pottsville, PA (5/30/08) Grand Rapids, MI (5/29/08) La Cross, WI (5/10-08) South Padre Island, TX (2/5/08) DeLand, FL (1/7/08) Lat 12 months: 14 HEMS accidents 24 deaths 14 injuries Above listed plus: Cherokee, AL 12/30/07) Whittier, AK (12/7/07) Talladega, AL (12/1/07) Casper, WY (11/28/07) Casa Grande, AZ (8/27/08) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 At some point the FAA and the NTSB need to step in and say enough is enough. If this was any other sector of commercial aviation they would have already done so. This crash raye would not be aceptable in the millitary so why is it so in the civilian sector? I shall contact the FAA and ask them about this. Enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Rick wrote: " Why not compare this to ground ambulance crashes? I am quite certain for year to date there have been many more ground ambulance crashes. " Perhaps that is because there are many thousands more ground ambulances, traveling millions more miles than the helicopters. But if you compare the number of crashes for each versus their total number of transport miles, you'd probably find that HEMS is statistically far more dangerous. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Now lets look at the number of ground accidents which have occured. Subject: Food for thought To: texasems-l , Paramedicine Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 8:53 PM Calendar year to date: 9 HEMS accidents 17 deaths 11 injuries Flagstaff, AZ (6/29/08) Flagstaff, AZ (6/2/08) Prescott, AZ (6/28/08) Huntsville, TX (6/8/08) Pottsville, PA (5/30/08) Grand Rapids, MI (5/29/08) La Cross, WI (5/10-08) South Padre Island, TX (2/5/08) DeLand, FL (1/7/08) Lat 12 months: 14 HEMS accidents 24 deaths 14 injuries Above listed plus: Cherokee, AL 12/30/07) Whittier, AK (12/7/07) Talladega, AL (12/1/07) Casper, WY (11/28/07) Casa Grande, AZ (8/27/08) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 " statistically it's more dangerous to drive across country than to fly, but you still see more cars on the road than planes in the sky. " Straw man argument, Rick, and a weak one at that. You can't compare the apples of EMS transport -gound or helicopter - to oranges like private cars and commercial aviation. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 It took 2 tragic deaths of peace officers to virtually ban Crown Vics from patrol service...... ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of lawrence verrett [lgverrett@...] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:40 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Food for thought At some point the FAA and the NTSB need to step in and say enough is enough. If this was any other sector of commercial aviation they would have already done so. This crash raye would not be aceptable in the millitary so why is it so in the civilian sector? I shall contact the FAA and ask them about this. Enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 We do all the time both on here and all over the industry press. I've written about it. Dudley's talked about it and on and on. Even Doc Bledsoe. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan - Food for thought To: texasems-l , Paramedicine Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 8:53 PM Calendar year to date: 9 HEMS accidents 17 deaths 11 injuries Flagstaff, AZ (6/29/08) Flagstaff, AZ (6/2/08) Prescott, AZ (6/28/08) Huntsville, TX (6/8/08) Pottsville, PA (5/30/08) Grand Rapids, MI (5/29/08) La Cross, WI (5/10-08) South Padre Island, TX (2/5/08) DeLand, FL (1/7/08) Lat 12 months: 14 HEMS accidents 24 deaths 14 injuries Above listed plus: Cherokee, AL 12/30/07) Whittier, AK (12/7/07) Talladega, AL (12/1/07) Casper, WY (11/28/07) Casa Grande, AZ (8/27/08) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I fly between 80,000-100,000 miles a year commercially. The airline industry has a good safety profile for several reasons: 1. Dual pilots 2. Redundancy of systems in aircraft. 3. Ability to fly 360 minutes on a single engine. 4. Ability to fly above weather. 5. Ability to land and take-off in weather. 6. Full VFR 7. Terrain avoidance systems (TAWS) 8. Tougher rules and regulations 9. Aircraft that fly and will land themselves. 10. Less moving parts. From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Grayson Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Food for thought " statistically it's more dangerous to drive across country than to fly, but you still see more cars on the road than planes in the sky. " Straw man argument, Rick, and a weak one at that. You can't compare the apples of EMS transport -gound or helicopter - to oranges like private cars and commercial aviation. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 , Unfortunately it was WAY more than 2...and many many crown vics are still out there...I would bet many without the modifcations to prevent them from becoming fire balls when rear-ended. Dudley Re: Food for thought At some point the FAA and the NTSB need to step in and say enough is enough. If this was any other sector of commercial aviation they would have already done so. This crash raye would not be aceptable in the millitary so why is it so in the civilian sector? I shall contact the FAA and ask them about this. Enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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