Is it a good idea to use Intuniv before trying antimicrobials and detox??

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Hi everyone,

We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the

results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him

but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like

intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It

is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything

for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids

get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up

around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

is

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is,Early waking can be parasites. watch how his sleep is over weekend ( full moon).Sent from my iPhone

Hi everyone,

We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

is

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No experience with Intuniv...but read the experiences of others:http://www.circleofmoms.com/autismaspergerspdd-awareness/anyone-have-any-experience-with-intuniv-455708Read also this: http://healthlifeandstuff.com/2009/09/intuniv-for-adhd-concerns-efficacy/"Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could

be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth?"Did you try the anti-bacterial/fungal protocol or detox? We didn't really know the answer but you might tryfirst your instinct...you know your son better. I would probably do medications for the brain as a lastresult because the side effect will somehow affect the brain. (Only my opinion). Correct me if I'mwrong. I heard a doctor saying over the years of his practice; antimicrobial/antiviral/fungal is one protocol that is always good to try. Detox is also almost always involve in "recovering" autistic children. I'll bestarting Valtrex/antifungal/antimicrobial soon. I just needed the fecal test (3-day collection)to be out before starting. I requsted it from the DAN doctor, because it's also my instinct for mydaughter. I feel happy following what I feel for my daughter. I'll try it for 50 days, recommendeddays I read somewhere and also why I join this group.I hope people will respond as to their experience. I only answer you because I feel your dilemna...we all know the feeling. May God bless you in all your decisions. Keep us posted.Thank you. Sincerely, mhelTo: mb12valtrex From: karenhammes@...Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 08:49:27 -0700Subject: Re: Is it a good idea to use Intuniv before trying antimicrobials and detox??

is,Early waking can be parasites. watch how his sleep is over weekend ( full moon).Sent from my iPhone

Hi everyone,

We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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Intuniv is the same as tenex, right? We have considered it but my issue with it is that it can cause tiredness, and my son's behaviors worsen with that. So while the tenex may make him less active and seem more focused, the side-effect of the bad behaviors make it so that I no longer want to try it.

How is your son's behavior when sleepy?Do you already give magnesium or taurine? These can help calm the system.

 

Hi everyone,

We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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I agree with you and my husband was also suggesting that maybe we should try

antiparasite meds but last time his cdsa showed bacterial overgrowth and no

parasites. But he definitely fits the picture of parasites with worsening of

symptoms with full moon. Have you tried any antiparasites?

Thanks

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> Hi everyone,

> We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the

results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him

but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like

intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It

is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything

for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids

get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up

around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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Yes, We did ia 100 to begin ( low, low dose- 4 drops per day). This worked like a champ for about 6 mos. He slept through every full moon. When we started to see symptoms again we started Humaworm which appears to be helping some things but not sleep so much. Our DAN said skip the CDSA because it is not really reliable. He prescribed Flagyl about a year ago. We did a 10 day course and that resulted in nothing very noticeable.Sent from my iPhone

I agree with you and my husband was also suggesting that maybe we should try antiparasite meds but last time his cdsa showed bacterial overgrowth and no parasites. But he definitely fits the picture of parasites with worsening of symptoms with full moon. Have you tried any antiparasites?

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> Hi everyone,

> We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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Hi Toni,

My son also becomes very cranky when sleepy. He is on magnesium which he gets

with calcium/magnesium liquid and also magnesium glycinate 100 mg daily. We

tried 5htp last year which would make him tired if given in am and he used to

get very agitated. When I first tried taurine, he became extremely hyperactive

and silly. Seems like intunive is not a good idea for my son.

Thanks

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> > We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for

> > the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv

> > for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use

> > something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of

> > bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results

> > and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am

> > scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and

> > nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite

> > melatonin. Any suggestions?

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I don't know a lot of DANs that suggest intuniv first before doing any biomed. Your suspicions are spot on - it could certainly be any number of things that you have yet to do.BTW, I wouldn't need a test to tell you that your kid has yeast. Waking up at 4 or 5 AM screams yeast.My suggestion is to treat yeast. :)But as far as experiences, my son was on it and all it did was put him to sleep. At 1/8 of pill there was nothing. At 1/4 of a pill he went to sleep. So it was useless in my house. It might be better in yours but why would you try it first when it's quite possible the problem is yeast or some other very treatable thing?

~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

Hi everyone,

We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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My Wife and I were very against stimulants and non stimulant to get the

hyperactivity under control. However, even though we see a HUGE decrease in

hyperactivity and basically all signs of autism why my son is on oral

vancomycin, we still cannot determine wether the oral vanco is killing a bug or

if it the " calming " of symptoms is caused by something secondary to the oral

vano....i.e. similar to the reduced inflammation of the minocyclines.

The point I am getting to is this..... If you have a weak thyroid, would you try

to find a cure for the reason that the thyroid is not doing its job? While that

would be a good thing to do, we would still treat the thyroid with a synthetic

or natural hormone replacement.

So our stand is this on adhd meds wether they be stimulants or non stimulants,

give something to reduce the symptoms until the cause can be found. IMHO

watching a child bounce off the walls isnt fun for the parents and not very much

fun for the child either, I imagine them having a constant " panic attack " type

symptoms going on in their head, and that would just be torture.

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> We had a whole bunch of tests done for my son and I am eagerly waiting for the

results. He is very stimmy and hyperactive. Our dan suggested Intuniv for him

but I am skeptical as I was wondering is it a good idea to use something like

intuniv while his symptoms could be a result of bacterial/fungal overgrowth? It

is so frustrating to wait for the results and feel like I am not doing anything

for him for all these weeks. I am scared of trying neuroprotek also as some kids

get sleep disturbance and nightmares on it and my son is already waking up

around 4 or 5 am despite melatonin. Any suggestions?

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Yes I would agree that it's always nice to help with the symptoms while trying to figure out the problem but it's not quite that easy with hyperactivity and focus. You can't possibly know if treating the yeast is what is helping the hyperactivity if you are giving something that will calm your kid down anyway. It's still the same issue - know what's doing what. With thyroid, it's quantifiable. You can test thyroid while taking it and trying to fix the underlying problem and get the body producing thyroid. You know if you are getting to the root by watching the thyroid numbers. It should show in the numbers.Hyperactivity and focus have no numbers.I've been dealing with ADD the entire journey and while biomed has done tons for autism, it's done nothing for the ADD. We are actually at that point of looking at meds. But I would never have known that nothing was working if I had started meds first. And this is coming from a person that *is* treating symptoms (piracetam, phos. chol., hydergine, vinpocetine and SAMe - our ADD cocktail) for a long time hoping to find the right combo while praying that my biomed would actually get to the root of the problem. It hasn't and neither has treating symptoms which is the only reason why I know I haven't. Our ADD cocktail has absolutely helped with cognition which is why we still use it. But like everything else, hasn't done a thing for ADD.Yes, it's hard to watch your child struggle with it. It's hard to be the parent struggling with how to help their kid. I *am* that mom. And every time homework reduces to yelling it sucks and I cry - *this* is when you know it's time for Rx ADHD meds. But choices have to be made in the beginning. There is no wrong choice but still, a choice needs to be made. If you go to meds first with ADHD, then that's pretty much where you'll stay until you stop and then go back to see what's doing what because otherwise, you'll simply never know if the reason your kid is calm is because you've fixed whatever issue there was or because of ritalin. At some point, you have to stop it to know. Why start it first if that's the case?

~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

My Wife and I were very against stimulants and non stimulant to get the hyperactivity under control. However, even though we see a HUGE decrease in hyperactivity and basically all signs of autism why my son is on oral vancomycin, we still cannot determine wether the oral vanco is killing a bug or if it the "calming" of symptoms is caused by something secondary to the oral vano....i.e. similar to the reduced inflammation of the minocyclines.

The point I am getting to is this..... If you have a weak thyroid, would you try to find a cure for the reason that the thyroid is not doing its job? While that would be a good thing to do, we would still treat the thyroid with a synthetic or natural hormone replacement.

So our stand is this on adhd meds wether they be stimulants or non stimulants, give something to reduce the symptoms until the cause can be found. IMHO watching a child bounce off the walls isnt fun for the parents and not very much fun for the child either, I imagine them having a constant "panic attack" type symptoms going on in their head, and that would just be torture.

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