hi

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hi channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i  read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very  very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)

i have just started Immusist  2 drops a day .  before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...

on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.

she is on chlorella( yayayema) OLE ( viridian)B6 B2 MB 12  even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)

now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).

should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.

waiting eagerly for ur replies..a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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yes I would increase binders! at least for me when i started my son on immusist his beavior got worse and when i increased binders and got some more pathogen killers on board he leveled out....it is still a careful balance every day....if he starts to get aggressive i give more fighters...if that doesnt work i try upping the binders if that doesnt work i try antiinflammatorys ie. nueroprotek...

if that doesnt work i look at what he has eaten recently....and that seems to be the dance around my house:)

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:58 AMSubject: hi

hi

channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)

i have just started Immusist 2 drops a day . before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...

on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.

is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.

because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.

she is on chlorella( yayayema)

OLE ( viridian)

B6 B2 MB 12

even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)

now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).

should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?

y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)

problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.

waiting eagerly for ur replies..

a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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Channa-May I ask what your are using for binders? I copied them down from a previous post of yours but misplaced it before I could place my order. Thanks a bunch!Mom to 5 year-old Liam hi hi channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)i have just started Immusist 2 drops a day . before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.she is on chlorella( yayayema) OLE ( viridian)B6 B2 MB 12 even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.waiting eagerly for ur replies..a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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rita had posted a whole list of them on the #112878 or just type in binders in the messages if you want to look into the post again full length...

for me so far I have just tried klamuth blue green algae by the company synergy five capsules one to three times day and am real happy with the product. also on bad days i used three capsules of charcoal....but dont like to use to much as they can absorb food as well...

my son is about 36 pounds

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:08 PMSubject: Re: hi

Channa-May I ask what your are using for binders? I copied them down from a previous post of yours but misplaced it before I could place my order. Thanks a bunch!Mom to 5 year-old Liam hi

hi

channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)

i have just started Immusist 2 drops a day . before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...

on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.

is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.

because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.

she is on chlorella( yayayema)

OLE ( viridian)

B6 B2 MB 12

even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)

now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).

should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?

y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)

problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.

waiting eagerly for ur replies..

a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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Thank you, Channa :)I bought the charcoal. That is the only one I could remember. My son is 5, 50lbs and nearly 4ft tall. Thanks again!Mom to 5 year-old Liam hi hi channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)i have just started Immusist 2 drops a day . before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.she is on chlorella( yayayema) OLE ( viridian)B6 B2 MB 12 even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.waiting eagerly for ur replies..a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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Pallavi,

Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on

you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the

details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need

to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)

I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are

low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @

it..I'll point out some stuff below) in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in

a mineral derangement pattern I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on

this if you haven't already this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not

in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral

derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING the blood & stool

only show what's excreting whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement

patterning that is a byproduct btw, you will also not necessarily see the

mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it oh happy

day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).

To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ? Answer depends on

the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change

(all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can

usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites,

viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these,

mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the

core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge

consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be

difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment

but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other parasite

treatments on board ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite

issues).

Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:

Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues see below

under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) "

Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw

up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro

which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it you added the binder but it

probably had so much to mop up).

Did well w/Nutriveda this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals,

w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant,

Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking

further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral,

digestive enzymes .looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E is 100%, Chromium

100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), &

it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This

would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.

Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an

increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up

yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs

office I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)!

This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that

they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was

his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast

& right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other

WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your child is doing

better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.

I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues

here is the drooling ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability &

excitability " below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not

add AC right now you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the

minerals & other superfood properties as much adding one more thing right now is

not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the

company is high on my likes!):

" Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing,

vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms

include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability

and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors,

incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.

July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side

affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances

such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual

response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping,

clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific

domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract

ideas. "

I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation .I've copied

our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd recommend you just

go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium it's

also a big player that's generally low.

Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia

*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency

*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing

world

*Zinc as an appetite stimulator

*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase

*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in

duration of acute diarrhea

*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D.

(being in India I assume your vitD is ok .but I'm thinking Vit A here

..antiviral/vitA )

*In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite

(info on the sodium is interesting here)

*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.

To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm

listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you clues

I always go to:

" Supplements

• Essentials:

- Probiotics

- EFA's

- Minerals

- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels

- Binders if detoxing

- Methylation support

- Very likely something to support metal detox

Physical Exam

• Feel for swollen lymph nodes

• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)

• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)

• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)

• Look where your child carries his/her weight

• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris

• Rashes or streaks

• Sock lines

• Skin color (gray, yellow)

• Growth curve patterns

Clinical signs of parasites

• Rashes on the chest or neck

• Discoloration around the mouth

• Males often have risky behaviors

• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,

irritation, etc)

• Pimples on the head within the hair

(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNA

probe for better sensitivity)

My favorites for treating parasites

(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)

• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic

• Rizol oils

• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks

• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeat

after 3 weeks)

• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)

• Alinia (prescription dose varies)

• YES Herbal liquid

• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasite

medications with homeopathic support

Clinical signs of viruses

• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead

• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity

• Fatigue

• Elevated WBC's when symptoms get

worse

• Enlarged lymph nodes

• Cold sores or canker sores

Clinical signs of yeast/fungus

• Gas and bloating

• Lower abdomen is resistant to weight loss

• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming

• White coating on the tongue

• Brain fog and fatigue

• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness

• Headaches

• Weakness/ fatigue

• Sugar cravings

• Stinky BM's

• Light sensitivity

• Rashes

• Memory loss or concentration difficulties

• Joint pain and morning stiffness

• Shortness of breath

• Sinus congestion

• Numbness and tingling

• Skin sensitivity

• Muscle aches and pains "

Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity

• Brown flecks in the eye

• Easily startled or anxious

• Teeth grinding

• Ridges or lines on the fingernails

• Chemical sensitivity

• Never ending yeast issues

• Regression with vaccines

• Noise and light sensitivity

• Labs are valuable here!!! "

I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are something

you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa

and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a

superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation you gotta get those bowels

moving daily first off consider the magnesium depending on your prior test

levels (most of our kids are low) .

In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named

chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint:

" Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " so it looks like you have

some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd

consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further

at the clinical signs .especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've

seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails &

eyes see your clues to these clinical signs above.

I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone

else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to

1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower if you feel you need to go down

further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give

parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down

the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.

Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )

that always helps too!!

Blessings,

Rita

(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to

answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try &

cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make

clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

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hi Rita  n channa  n other moms  thanks a ton...yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements  am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated  vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it  looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant  get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop  also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols  apart from each other.am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for  high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted  

 

Pallavi,

Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)

I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).

To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other parasite treatments on board ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite issues).

Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:

Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) "

Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).

Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.

Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.

I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability & excitability " …below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!):

" Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure.

July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. "

I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low.

Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia

*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency

*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world

*Zinc as an appetite stimulator

*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase

*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea

*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)

*In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)

*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.

To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I always go to:

" Supplements

• Essentials:

- Probiotics

- EFA's

- Minerals

- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels

- Binders if detoxing

- Methylation support

- Very likely something to support metal detox

Physical Exam

• Feel for swollen lymph nodes

• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)

• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)

• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)

• Look where your child carries his/her weight

• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris

• Rashes or streaks

• Sock lines

• Skin color (gray, yellow)

• Growth curve patterns

Clinical signs of parasites

• Rashes on the chest or neck

• Discoloration around the mouth

• Males often have risky behaviors

• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,

irritation, etc)

• Pimples on the head within the hair

(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNA

probe for better sensitivity)

My favorites for treating parasites

(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)

• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic

• Rizol oils

• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks

• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeat

after 3 weeks)

• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)

• Alinia (prescription dose varies)

• YES Herbal liquid

• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasite

medications with homeopathic support

Clinical signs of viruses

• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead

• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity

• Fatigue

• Elevated WBC's when symptoms get

worse

• Enlarged lymph nodes

• Cold sores or canker sores

Clinical signs of yeast/fungus

• Gas and bloating

• Lower abdomen is resistant to weight loss

• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming

• White coating on the tongue

• Brain fog and fatigue

• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness

• Headaches

• Weakness/ fatigue

• Sugar cravings

• Stinky BM's

• Light sensitivity

• Rashes

• Memory loss or concentration difficulties

• Joint pain and morning stiffness

• Shortness of breath

• Sinus congestion

• Numbness and tingling

• Skin sensitivity

• Muscle aches and pains "

Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity

• Brown flecks in the eye

• Easily startled or anxious

• Teeth grinding

• Ridges or lines on the fingernails

• Chemical sensitivity

• Never ending yeast issues

• Regression with vaccines

• Noise and light sensitivity

• Labs are valuable here!!! "

I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….

In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: " Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " …so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs above.

I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.

Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!

Blessings,

Rita

(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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I am sorry you are having trouble with the doctors in India. They tend to say the same things until you see a Naturopathic, Osteopathic or DAN doctor. Do you have any of those available to you there?As far as the reactions you are seeing with GSE go I would've say that is just die of reaction. It was recommended to me recently to give activated charcoal an hour or two after other supplements. The brand I really like is Nutribiotic.I could help you with dosage but I would need to first know her age and weight. Best of luck to you!Mom to 5 year-old Liam Re: Re: hi hi Rita  n channa  n other moms  thanks a ton...yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.as am almost running over with my supplements  am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated  vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)prescription anti bios.:the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it  looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant  get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.Scan i give enhansa/virastop  also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols  apart from each other.am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for  high T3.thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted   Pallavi,Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other parasite treatments on board ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite issues). Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) " Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability & excitability " …below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!): " Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. " I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low. Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world*Zinc as an appetite stimulator*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)*In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I always go to: " Supplements• Essentials:- Probiotics- EFA's- Minerals- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels- Binders if detoxing- Methylation support- Very likely something to support metal detoxPhysical Exam• Feel for swollen lymph nodes• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)• Look where your child carries his/her weight• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris• Rashes or streaks• Sock lines• Skin color (gray, yellow)• Growth curve patternsClinical signs of parasites• Rashes on the chest or neck• Discoloration around the mouth• Males often have risky behaviors• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,irritation, etc)• Pimples on the head within the hair(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNAprobe for better sensitivity)My favorites for treating parasites(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic• Rizol oils• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeatafter 3 weeks)• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)• Alinia (prescription dose varies)• YES Herbal liquid• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasitemedications with homeopathic supportClinical signs of viruses• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity• Fatigue• Elevated WBC's when symptoms getworse• Enlarged lymph nodes• Cold sores or canker soresClinical signs of yeast/fungus• Gas and bloating• Lower abdomen is resistant to weight loss• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming• White coating on the tongue• Brain fog and fatigue• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness• Headaches• Weakness/ fatigue• Sugar cravings• Stinky BM's• Light sensitivity• Rashes• Memory loss or concentration difficulties• Joint pain and morning stiffness• Shortness of breath• Sinus congestion• Numbness and tingling• Skin sensitivity• Muscle aches and pains " Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity• Brown flecks in the eye• Easily startled or anxious• Teeth grinding• Ridges or lines on the fingernails• Chemical sensitivity• Never ending yeast issues• Regression with vaccines• Noise and light sensitivity• Labs are valuable here!!! " I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: " Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " …so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs above.I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!Blessings,Rita(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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I meant to say the brand of GSE I like is Nutribiotic. Sorry for the confusion.Mom to 5 year-old Liam Re: Re: hi hi Rita  n channa  n other moms  thanks a ton...yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.as am almost running over with my supplements  am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated  vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)prescription anti bios.:the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it  looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant  get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.Scan i give enhansa/virastop  also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols  apart from each other.am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for  high T3.thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted   Pallavi,Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other parasite treatments on board ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite issues). Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) " Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability & excitability " …below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!): " Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. " I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low. Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world*Zinc as an appetite stimulator*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)*In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I always go to: " Supplements• Essentials:- Probiotics- EFA's- Minerals- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels- Binders if detoxing- Methylation support- Very likely something to support metal detoxPhysical Exam• Feel for swollen lymph nodes• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)• Look where your child carries his/her weight• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris• Rashes or streaks• Sock lines• Skin color (gray, yellow)• Growth curve patternsClinical signs of parasites• Rashes on the chest or neck• Discoloration around the mouth• Males often have risky behaviors• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,irritation, etc)• Pimples on the head within the hair(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNAprobe for better sensitivity)My favorites for treating parasites(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic• Rizol oils• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeatafter 3 weeks)• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)• Alinia (prescription dose varies)• YES Herbal liquid• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasitemedications with homeopathic supportClinical signs of viruses• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity• Fatigue• Elevated WBC's when symptoms getworse• Enlarged lymph nodes• Cold sores or canker soresClinical signs of yeast/fungus• Gas and bloating• Lower abdomen is resistant to weight loss• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming• White coating on the tongue• Brain fog and fatigue• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness• Headaches• Weakness/ fatigue• Sugar cravings• Stinky BM's• Light sensitivity• Rashes• Memory loss or concentration difficulties• Joint pain and morning stiffness• Shortness of breath• Sinus congestion• Numbness and tingling• Skin sensitivity• Muscle aches and pains " Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity• Brown flecks in the eye• Easily startled or anxious• Teeth grinding• Ridges or lines on the fingernails• Chemical sensitivity• Never ending yeast issues• Regression with vaccines• Noise and light sensitivity• Labs are valuable here!!! " I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: " Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " …so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs above.I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!Blessings,Rita(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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Pallavi,

I have seen huge huge improvement with enzymes. My son has severe gastric issues and multiple food allergies. After a long thought (due to its cost), and after a lot of feedback from others on how it helped them, I started enzymes. Now I am never without them. I now use 1 caps of digest gold with every meal and I see huge improvement in language when I increased it to 2 caps per meal. But I keep it at 1 caps per meal now due to the cost.

My child did not need b vits for a long time. It made a lot of difference initially, but after a few months it stopped any improvement I was seeing from it. I heard that if your child does not need a supplement anymore it can cause problems. So probably your child may not be needing b vitamins.

GSE is also high in phenols, I remember you saying that your daughter has phenol issues. Try to give it with an enzyme like no-fenol. I give GSE within the 1 hour time window of ingestion of enzymes.

Start supps one at a time and gradually increase on the dosage. I use custom probiotics, after advice from many members on the groups and forums. I first started using dlactate free and then now I am using 11 strain probiotic. On probiotics with high potency such as CP, you need to start very slow, and gradually increase the dosage. I heard some kids do not tolerate probiotics. My son did not tolerate the 11 strain for sometime, he was getting restless in sleep, lot of sleep talking and bedwetting. Took him out of it and introduced it to him after sometime with very very minimal dosage and worked upwards.

Subject: Re: Re: hiTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

hi

Rita n channa n other moms thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted

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my son could not tolerate Bs in the beginning, but also you must be very careful of the source of all the supplements...must be from a company that has strict testing on all their products..

GSE..it could be die off....i always give a product two weeks and if i dont see any type of gains then i start to suspect maybe it is not die off and just the product...I also used nutribiotic for a while and was happy with it...it is always good to start with one drop! maybe your giving too much??

and then if you see no reaction increase to two drops ect...

i would dose my son twice a day with antifugals/bacterials..

brice vickory sells a good amino acid combo called platinum plus...

speech comin and goin for my son i always suspected metals movin out...also I heard bout viruses as well doin this...but not sure on this one..maybe someone else can add...

also a kid with thyriod issues need to be adressed as this has a huge impact on brain function..

i of course do not trust docters any more so I do everything on my own...when i suspected hyperthyriodism for my son ...i used iodine and other supps to help normalize....but if your child has hypothyriod their also is natural ways to treat if you cant find a decent doc out their.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: hi

hi

Rita n channa n other moms thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted

Pallavi,Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a

byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist "natural"? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other

parasite treatments on board ("skinny baby" could also be a clue here to parasite issues). Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under "Physical Exam "allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)"Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E

is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your

child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie "increased salivation", also "irritability & excitability"…below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!):"Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects "include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas."I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs "Clinical Signs for you below" to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low. Here's some clues from wiki "zinc deficiency"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world*Zinc as an appetite stimulator*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)*In rats, the "first visible sign" of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I

always go to:"Supplements• Essentials:- Probiotics- EFA's- Minerals- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels- Binders if detoxing- Methylation support- Very likely something to support metal detoxPhysical Exam• Feel for swollen lymph nodes• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)• Look where your child carries his/her weight• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris• Rashes or streaks• Sock lines• Skin color (gray, yellow)• Growth curve patternsClinical signs of parasites• Rashes on the chest or neck• Discoloration around the mouth• Males often have risky behaviors• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,irritation, etc)• Pimples on the head within the

hair(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNAprobe for better sensitivity)My favorites for treating parasites(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic• Rizol oils• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeatafter 3 weeks)• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)• Alinia (prescription dose varies)• YES Herbal liquid• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasitemedications with homeopathic supportClinical signs of viruses• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity• Fatigue• Elevated WBC's when symptoms getworse• Enlarged lymph nodes• Cold sores or canker soresClinical signs of yeast/fungus• Gas and bloating• Lower abdomen is

resistant to weight loss• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming• White coating on the tongue• Brain fog and fatigue• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness• Headaches• Weakness/ fatigue• Sugar cravings• Stinky BM's• Light sensitivity• Rashes• Memory loss or concentration difficulties• Joint pain and morning stiffness• Shortness of breath• Sinus congestion• Numbness and tingling• Skin sensitivity• Muscle aches and pains"Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity• Brown flecks in the eye• Easily startled or anxious• Teeth grinding• Ridges or lines on the fingernails• Chemical sensitivity• Never ending yeast issues• Regression with vaccines• Noise and light sensitivity• Labs are valuable here!!!"I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are

something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: "Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko)"…so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs

above.I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not "get it". If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!Blessings,Rita(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

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oh yah and forgot to mention..what about making cultured veggies?? this is something i been kickin myself to doa long time....it has natural probiotics in it....

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: hi

Pallavi,

I have seen huge huge improvement with enzymes. My son has severe gastric issues and multiple food allergies. After a long thought (due to its cost), and after a lot of feedback from others on how it helped them, I started enzymes. Now I am never without them. I now use 1 caps of digest gold with every meal and I see huge improvement in language when I increased it to 2 caps per meal. But I keep it at 1 caps per meal now due to the cost.

My child did not need b vits for a long time. It made a lot of difference initially, but after a few months it stopped any improvement I was seeing from it. I heard that if your child does not need a supplement anymore it can cause problems. So probably your child may not be needing b vitamins.

GSE is also high in phenols, I remember you saying that your daughter has phenol issues. Try to give it with an enzyme like no-fenol. I give GSE within the 1 hour time window of ingestion of enzymes.

Start supps one at a time and gradually increase on the dosage. I use custom probiotics, after advice from many members on the groups and forums. I first started using dlactate free and then now I am using 11 strain probiotic. On probiotics with high potency such as CP, you need to start very slow, and gradually increase the dosage. I heard some kids do not tolerate probiotics. My son did not tolerate the 11 strain for sometime, he was getting restless in sleep, lot of sleep talking and bedwetting. Took him out of it and introduced it to him after sometime with very very minimal dosage and worked upwards.

Subject: Re: Re: hiTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

hi Rita n channa n other moms thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted

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Where do u get Custom Probiotics?? I am sorry if this has been asked before but thinking we may give it a try. Thank you!!!!!!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: hi

Pallavi,

I have seen huge huge improvement with enzymes. My son has severe gastric issues and multiple food allergies. After a long thought (due to its cost), and after a lot of feedback from others on how it helped them, I started enzymes. Now I am never without them. I now use 1 caps of digest gold with every meal and I see huge improvement in language when I increased it to 2 caps per meal. But I keep it at 1 caps per meal now due to the cost.

My child did not need b vits for a long time. It made a lot of difference initially, but after a few months it stopped any improvement I was seeing from it. I heard that if your child does not need a supplement anymore it can cause problems. So probably your child may not be needing b vitamins.

GSE is also high in phenols, I remember you saying that your daughter has phenol issues. Try to give it with an enzyme like no-fenol. I give GSE within the 1 hour time window of ingestion of enzymes.

Start supps one at a time and gradually increase on the dosage. I use custom probiotics, after advice from many members on the groups and forums. I first started using dlactate free and then now I am using 11 strain probiotic. On probiotics with high potency such as CP, you need to start very slow, and gradually increase the dosage. I heard some kids do not tolerate probiotics. My son did not tolerate the 11 strain for sometime, he was getting restless in sleep, lot of sleep talking and bedwetting. Took him out of it and introduced it to him after sometime with very very minimal dosage and worked upwards.

Subject: Re: Re: hiTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

hi Rita n channa n other moms thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted

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Channa n Navina, n   thanks a lot.Channa: she has hyper thyroid ism i suspect as only T 3 is very high the other 2 controlling T4 n T3 are normal range. so the pead  refused to ackonoledge this as hyperthyroidism... i suspect hyperthyroidism because she has tears in her eyes now and then as in dry eyes. ..plz do let me know if any other suppliment you used will help her as well.

Navina thanks alot for the enzymes... she is on Phenol assist so i GSE phenol shouldnt be an issue..but dont know why she has strange reactions... lets seei believe you are one more parent from India who is getting Nutriveda..or you still on it ... any improvements.. i have lots of canisters unopened as her yeast just flare up otherwise she gains weight  n speech on that...but sleep, sensory issues( vestibular, stimming drooling becomes too much) 

Channa ..how do you prepare cultured veggies... a very good thought actually for us veggies...  my daughter is 4 and weighs 28 lbs..i will get the GSE as everybody is suggesting the same.

what time will be the best to give immusist, Bs( before or after meal?  also calcium  vit C n E... what will be the safe dose for myciliated A? i got Kirkmans 5000u  ..as my daughter is vaccine injured and most of her vestibular and visual stims stop with regular dosage of 7 seas cod liver oil...but keep coming back.so am thinking will give a drop of the A.. but do i have to give it with fat?...is it ok if child is skinny.?

 i think i will wait couple of months to start ch elating with ALA after immusist... can they both go hand in hand?love n hope to all you moms..may god be with us.

 

my son could not tolerate Bs in the beginning, but also you must be very careful of the source of all the supplements...must be from a company that has strict testing on all their products..

GSE..it could be die off....i always give a product two weeks and if i dont see any type of gains then i start to suspect maybe it is not die off and just the product...I also used nutribiotic for a  while and was happy with it...it is always good to start with one drop! maybe your giving too much??

 and then if you see no reaction increase to two drops ect...

i would dose my son twice a day with antifugals/bacterials..

brice vickory sells a good amino acid combo  called platinum plus...

speech comin and goin for my son i always suspected metals movin out...also I heard bout viruses as well doin this...but not sure on this one..maybe someone else can add...

also a kid with thyriod issues need to be adressed as this has a huge impact on brain function..

i of course do not trust docters any more so I do everything on my own...when i suspected hyperthyriodism for my son ...i used iodine and other supps to help normalize....but if your child has hypothyriod their also is natural ways to treat if you cant find a decent doc out their.

channa

 

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: hi

 

hi 

Rita  n channa  n other moms  thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements  am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated  vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it  looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant  get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop  also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols  apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for  high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted 

 

 

Pallavi,Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)

I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a

byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other

parasite treatments on board ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite issues). Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) "

Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).

Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E

is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.

Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your

child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability & excitability " …below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!):

" Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. "

I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low.

Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency

*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world*Zinc as an appetite stimulator*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea

*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)*In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)

*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I

always go to: " Supplements• Essentials:- Probiotics- EFA's- Minerals- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels- Binders if detoxing- Methylation support- Very likely something to support metal detox

Physical Exam• Feel for swollen lymph nodes• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)

• Look where your child carries his/her weight• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris• Rashes or streaks• Sock lines• Skin color (gray, yellow)• Growth curve patternsClinical signs of parasites

• Rashes on the chest or neck• Discoloration around the mouth• Males often have risky behaviors• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,irritation, etc)• Pimples on the head within the

hair(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNAprobe for better sensitivity)My favorites for treating parasites(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic

• Rizol oils• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeatafter 3 weeks)• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)• Alinia (prescription dose varies)

• YES Herbal liquid• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasitemedications with homeopathic supportClinical signs of viruses• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity

• Fatigue• Elevated WBC's when symptoms getworse• Enlarged lymph nodes• Cold sores or canker soresClinical signs of yeast/fungus• Gas and bloating• Lower abdomen is

resistant to weight loss• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming• White coating on the tongue• Brain fog and fatigue• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness• Headaches

• Weakness/ fatigue• Sugar cravings• Stinky BM's• Light sensitivity• Rashes• Memory loss or concentration difficulties• Joint pain and morning stiffness• Shortness of breath• Sinus congestion

• Numbness and tingling• Skin sensitivity• Muscle aches and pains " Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity• Brown flecks in the eye• Easily startled or anxious• Teeth grinding• Ridges or lines on the fingernails

• Chemical sensitivity• Never ending yeast issues• Regression with vaccines• Noise and light sensitivity• Labs are valuable here!!! " I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are

something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….

In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: " Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " …so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs

above.I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.

Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!Blessings,Rita(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

[Guest guest]

Rao,

i am just looking into doin the cultured veggies...i havent tried it yet thou....i know there is a book called nourishing traditions with lots of recipes and also the GAPS website has starter culture they sell to make the cultured veggies with..i am really gettin into the idea of less supps and more stuff we can do on our own...

immusist from what i remember rita says is good to give with any supplement as it only helps the supplement get absorbed better.....when i do a chealtion round i will put the immusist with his ALA dose.

if i give his LDM 100 i put it in little cup with immusist and some juice to make it go down...but i think you could give immusist with anything:)

hyperthyroidism....do you have a basal thermometer? you take her temp first thing on awakening for a couple days in a row to see if she runs hot...that is how my son was...he couldnt even have his jacket on in the winter! he was so hot all the time..kicked off covers at night always..

i had him on a herbal product for hyperthyriodism i have to look up and will get back to you...you could probably find the herbs and make it yourself..but as i said i will look up and get back on that.

i will let you know what they are. also what i found out is some people said zinc speeds up thyriod and copper slows it down...iodine was an old time medicine for regulating the thyriod whether fast or slow.

there are conflicting reports on this. so you must use it under careful monitering!

it helped my son. I used lugols iodine, selenium and copper....with really good results as well as the herbal product. at one point i think it was 12 mg of copper at a time and he was 35 pounds...

but it chilled him right the F> out!

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:28 PMSubject: Re: Re: hi

Channa n Navina, n thanks a lot.

Channa: she has hyper thyroid ism i suspect as only T 3 is very high the other 2 controlling T4 n T3 are normal range. so the pead refused to ackonoledge this as hyperthyroidism... i suspect hyperthyroidism because she has tears in her eyes now and then as in dry eyes. ..plz do let me know if any other suppliment you used will help her as well.

Navina thanks alot for the enzymes... she is on Phenol assist so i GSE phenol shouldnt be an issue..but dont know why she has strange reactions... lets see

i believe you are one more parent from India who is getting Nutriveda..or you still on it ... any improvements.. i have lots of canisters unopened as her yeast just flare up otherwise she gains weight n speech on that...but sleep, sensory issues( vestibular, stimming drooling becomes too much)

Channa ..how do you prepare cultured veggies... a very good thought actually for us veggies...

my daughter is 4 and weighs 28 lbs..i will get the GSE as everybody is suggesting the same.

what time will be the best to give immusist, Bs( before or after meal? also calcium vit C n E...

what will be the safe dose for myciliated A? i got Kirkmans 5000u ..as my daughter is vaccine injured and most of her vestibular and visual stims stop with regular dosage of 7 seas cod liver oil...but keep coming back.so am thinking will give a drop of the A.. but do i have to give it with fat?...is it ok if child is skinny.?

i think i will wait couple of months to start ch elating with ALA after immusist... can they both go hand in hand?

love n hope to all you moms..

may god be with us.

my son could not tolerate Bs in the beginning, but also you must be very careful of the source of all the supplements...must be from a company that has strict testing on all their products..

GSE..it could be die off....i always give a product two weeks and if i dont see any type of gains then i start to suspect maybe it is not die off and just the product...I also used nutribiotic for a while and was happy with it...it is always good to start with one drop! maybe your giving too much??

and then if you see no reaction increase to two drops ect...

i would dose my son twice a day with antifugals/bacterials..

brice vickory sells a good amino acid combo called platinum plus...

speech comin and goin for my son i always suspected metals movin out...also I heard bout viruses as well doin this...but not sure on this one..maybe someone else can add...

also a kid with thyriod issues need to be adressed as this has a huge impact on brain function..

i of course do not trust docters any more so I do everything on my own...when i suspected hyperthyriodism for my son ...i used iodine and other supps to help normalize....but if your child has hypothyriod their also is natural ways to treat if you cant find a decent doc out their.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: hi

hi Rita n channa n other moms thanks a ton...

yes Rita, even i suspected zinc deficiency n started supplementing and her drooling has come to a stop along with biting into everything. magnesium she is taking along with her B s , will try n increase.she is on kirkmans minerals.

as am almost running over with my supplements am waiting for my latest parcel which has to come from US..

i have ordered Enhansa( so far i was using turmeric in all my cooking as its natural for us Indians to use it... i was using a lot of it...but just wanted to see if enhanced abosorption will make a difference . so ordered .)

will also try biotin , digest spectrum, R5P,virastop...etc..hope something makes a difference.

i have also ordered all enzymatic forms of B's along with myciliated vit A( kirkman),GABA with Bs, i feel what she is missing is good probiotics ( the ones available in India are not so good in terms of specific strains) as she is a skinny , super sensitive gut child.once my parcel comes i will post a detailed list.

whenever i give B's( Indian brands) she has these hot flushes, will not sleep at all , gets to her OCDs with a vengeance like lining up balls, vestibular issues kick in ,climbs all over the place. why do you think it happens . is it because most of the Bs are derived from animal livers n possible heavy metals in them ?

also whenever i give GSE, she will have stinky stools, wont sleep well( is it a die off?), will have dark under eye circles..am using a viridian one as its available in where i stay..( any body suggest me a good brand of GSE n dosage, i will also buy swansons OLE as she seems to do well on OLE)

prescription anti bios.:

the problem is doctors refuse to give anything when her reports come negative.. even all my experiments are screaming loudly that she has gut issues, they simply refuse to anything about it looking at the tests...i cant see more blood going out of my too skinny baby as after soemtime they will struggle to get blood out fo her....so each new doc wants a new report and all of them chant get speech, ot aba ( which she is on loads of hours) ...finally the advise is we are sorry try for a second child... i feel like holding their neck and ask will they do same if their child is sick..forget it n move on... so am at a spot here..if any Indian doc/ nutrition specialist is reading this plz let me know..

my major problem is why her speech emerges for a week / 20 days n goes off...its like a cycle..am zeroing on metals/parasites?..as she is getting amino s..( i also need to know a caisin free amino blend frm U.S

can i give enhansa/virastop also while on immusist.or do i have to follow them as separate protocols apart from each other.

am searching in darkness as most of her tests came normal except for high T3.

thanks Rita for taking so much time and addressing my issues so patiently....hope better days will come i will keep you posted

Pallavi,Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa, look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below)…in fact I'd go so far as to say you are in a mineral derangement pattern…I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors Data Hair test on this if you haven't already…this is where you'd find the mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's not EXCRETING…the blood & stool only show what's excreting…whereas the hair shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a

byproduct…btw, you will also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the body starts excreting it…oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist "natural"? Answer…depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols. Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good gains when helping it out some w/other

parasite treatments on board ("skinny baby" could also be a clue here to parasite issues). Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues…see below under "Physical Exam "allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)"Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it…you added the binder but it probably had so much to mop up).Did well w/Nutriveda…this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder & minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes….looks like the Vit A is @ 50% PDV, Vit E

is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some minerals & also started some detox.Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury) always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we met often @ our docs office…I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how absolutely amazing this was…his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I agree w/Channa, if your

child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the clues here is the drooling…ie "increased salivation", also "irritability & excitability"…below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would not add AC right now…you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you need the minerals & other superfood properties as much…adding one more thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!):"Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects "include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas."I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation….I've copied our docs "Clinical Signs for you below" to help you out. I'd recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for your magnesium…it's also a big player that's generally low. Here's some clues from wiki "zinc deficiency"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia*one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency*Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the developing world*Zinc as an appetite stimulator*zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase*Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction in duration of acute diarrhea*Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D. (being in India I assume your vitD is ok….but I'm thinking Vit A here….antiviral/vitA…)*In rats, the "first visible sign" of zinc deficiency is a decreased appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)*In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away, I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help you…clues I

always go to:"Supplements• Essentials:- Probiotics- EFA's- Minerals- Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels- Binders if detoxing- Methylation support- Very likely something to support metal detoxPhysical Exam• Feel for swollen lymph nodes• Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)• Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)• Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)• Look where your child carries his/her weight• Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris• Rashes or streaks• Sock lines• Skin color (gray, yellow)• Growth curve patternsClinical signs of parasites• Rashes on the chest or neck• Discoloration around the mouth• Males often have risky behaviors• Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,irritation, etc)• Pimples on the head within the

hair(newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNAprobe for better sensitivity)My favorites for treating parasites(the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)• BioPure organic freeze dried garlic• Rizol oils• Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks• Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeatafter 3 weeks)• Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)• Alinia (prescription dose varies)• YES Herbal liquid• It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasitemedications with homeopathic supportClinical signs of viruses• Hot and soft tissue in the forehead• Tinnitus and noise sensitivity• Fatigue• Elevated WBC's when symptoms getworse• Enlarged lymph nodes• Cold sores or canker soresClinical signs of yeast/fungus• Gas and bloating• Lower abdomen is

resistant to weight loss• Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming• White coating on the tongue• Brain fog and fatigue• Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness• Headaches• Weakness/ fatigue• Sugar cravings• Stinky BM's• Light sensitivity• Rashes• Memory loss or concentration difficulties• Joint pain and morning stiffness• Shortness of breath• Sinus congestion• Numbness and tingling• Skin sensitivity• Muscle aches and pains"Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity• Brown flecks in the eye• Easily startled or anxious• Teeth grinding• Ridges or lines on the fingernails• Chemical sensitivity• Never ending yeast issues• Regression with vaccines• Noise and light sensitivity• Labs are valuable here!!!"I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are

something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation…you gotta get those bowels moving daily first off…consider the magnesium depending on your prior test levels (most of our kids are low)….In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her powerpoint: "Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko)"…so it looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs….especially watch the behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes…see your clues to these clinical signs

above.I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or anyone else that does not "get it". If all else fails in figuring this out, go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower…if you feel you need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for all.Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight )…that always helps too!!Blessings,Rita(ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

[Guest guest]

Pallavi,

I was did not try NV continously. I tried 4 canisters in a span of about 4 months. I did not see spectacular results in speech, but did not see any problems with behavior either, but I give this beverage also with 1 caps of digest gold enzymes. I plan to do NV continous for atleast 3-4 months with 2 canisters per month, to see if there is any improvement in his verbal apraxia that I can attribute to NV. I'm awaiting shipment for this. And I also plan to try NV this time with Nordic naturals fish oils and see if that works. I thought this time I would try to use exact same formula that many members in childrensapraxianet group are using with success and see if it makes a huge difference.

I also want to chelate with ALA, but at the moment dont still have the guts to do it. Also waking up through the night to administer the dosage is another reason I'm procrastinating on this..

Subject: Re: Re: hiTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 10:58 PM

Channa n Navina, n thanks a lot.

Channa: she has hyper thyroid ism i suspect as only T 3 is very high the other 2 controlling T4 n T3 are normal range. so the pead refused to ackonoledge this as hyperthyroidism... i suspect hyperthyroidism because she has tears in her eyes now and then as in dry eyes. ..plz do let me know if any other suppliment you used will help her as well.

Navina thanks alot for the enzymes... she is on Phenol assist so i GSE phenol shouldnt be an issue..but dont know why she has strange reactions... lets see

i believe you are one more parent from India who is getting Nutriveda..or you still on it ... any improvements.. i have lots of canisters unopened as her yeast just flare up otherwise she gains weight n speech on that...but sleep, sensory issues( vestibular, stimming drooling becomes too much)

Channa ..how do you prepare cultured veggies... a very good thought actually for us veggies...

my daughter is 4 and weighs 28 lbs..i will get the GSE as everybody is suggesting the same.

what time will be the best to give immusist, Bs( before or after meal? also calcium vit C n E...

what will be the safe dose for myciliated A? i got Kirkmans 5000u ..as my daughter is vaccine injured and most of her vestibular and visual stims stop with regular dosage of 7 seas cod liver oil...but keep coming back.so am thinking will give a drop of the A.. but do i have to give it with fat?...is it ok if child is skinny.?

i think i will wait couple of months to start ch elating with ALA after immusist... can they both go hand in hand?

love n hope to all you moms..

may god be with us.

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

[Guest guest]

Pallavi,

After 7 years of biomed in several groups + my own experiences, my biggest

advise is please do not start things together...this is especially true of

chelation...ALA is in this catagory as well. As every child is different, things

like sulfer intollerance (several metal chelators are in this catagory including

DMSA & ALA..we hit a point we had to go through a sulfer detox to continue in

sulfer base chelating). Things like killing viruses can bring oxylate issues

w/the die off as well as the detox cycling into metals dumping which it

invariably will...so you're already chasing a cats tail trying to figure out

what's going on adding in multiple supplements that they may or may not react to

can be tricky. The thing some do I believe to the detriment ( & believe me it's

hard not to as we learn so much & want to add in all the good stuff we've

learned about), but in the end low & slow with our kids I find to be the best

overall.

Regarding the Immusist shipping into India. I know personally from off-list

interaction it has shipped to many countries (Africa including Uganda where it

has a svery strong successful 9 year history with multiple very difficult

viruses all highly documented, Indonesia, Holland, UK, Germany, Alstralia &

Japan to name a few). I have been told that over the years it's been shipped all

over the world & has never been denied in any country they've shipped to. The

shipping is covered in the price, though not port taxes/import fees which would

be the receivers responsibility....it is shipped as soap & it is actually in the

whole food catagory, not a supplement or drug. Sadly, the only hold up has been

with the individual countries customs departments....so if you get stuff now

through, it should get through as well. It is generally shipped w/in 24 hours of

the order.

To further answer your ? about starting chelation w/it...No, I personally would

not. What I would do is get your basic protocol stabalized (vits/minerals, good

fats, liver/kidney supports & binders on board & stabalized). From a couple of

weeks of a stabalized protocol I would add the Immusist. The Immusist itself is

a strong anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, oxygenator). After slowly

working up in adding Immusist, a possible addition of dosage of the binders you

are already on would be the ideal to work toward with the shipping wait time.

If the B's you have available are giving her problems, go to the food & binders

to get your B's, especially if she's reacting to them. With the addition of the

Immusist you will already be increasing the absorption.

There is a lot of ?'s, hope I covered them all. If we have not, please let us

know further.

Blessings!!!

Rita

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Pallavi,

> > Below is a full chapter of a book...feel like I'm dumping 7 years of

> > Biomeds on you here (sorry in advance). I fully agree w/Channa & thank you

> > so much for the details you gave in your posts, I fully believe they are

> > clues to what we need to dig deeper into (mom detectives here ;o)

> > I'll explain further below from your clues but my mom-o-meter is sensing

> > you are low in essential minerals including zinc (I fully agree w/Channa,

> > look @ it..I'll point out some stuff below) in fact I'd go so far as to say

> > you are in a mineral derangement pattern I'd LOVE to see you do a Doctors

> > Data Hair test on this if you haven't already this is where you'd find the

> > mercury exposure, not in the toxic mineral section as our kids don't

> > excrete, but in the mineral derangement patterning (the problem being it's

> > not EXCRETING the blood & stool only show what's excreting whereas the hair

> > shows the mineral derangement patterning that is a byproduct btw, you will

> > also not necessarily see the mercury show up on this test either UNTIL the

> > body starts excreting it oh happy day even w/the behaviors that come w/it).

> >

> > To answer your ? is the detox reaction to Immusist " natural " ?

> > Answer depends on the child. Some do, some have a little, some have no

> > apparent immediate change (all thus far have long term improvements) & some

> > have immediate gains. I can usually narrow it down to the detox load

> > (including toxic metals, parasites, viral, bacterial loads) & also the

> > mineral deficiency involved. Of these, mineral deficiency (including adding

> > good vitamins w/the Immusist) is at the core of some of our docs protocols.

> > Parasite/worm treatment is also a huge consideration & the first thing to

> > treat (diagnosed or not as they tend to be difficult to lab test). Immusist

> > will also help w/the parasite/worm treatment but we have also see good

> > gains when helping it out some w/other parasite treatments on board

> > ( " skinny baby " could also be a clue here to parasite issues).

> >

> > Here's some of the additional clues I picked up on:

> > Dark circles (sometimes points to bad digestion/malnutrition issues see

> > below under " Physical Exam " allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies) "

> >

> > Gains w/chlorella: binder, superfood/alkalizing + high in mineral content

> > (threw up is probably a detox reaction, especially since the diet is high

> > in cilantro which is a mercury mobilizer but does not bind it you added the

> > binder but it probably had so much to mop up).

> > Did well w/Nutriveda this is also a clue w/it as a superfood: high in

> > minerals, w/Tumeric-great stuff!!, Guggul-liver support, Green Tea-high

> > antioxidant, Amalaki-immune support), Cinnamon-antifungal & aids

> > w/digestion & looking further at the ingredients it has Alfalfa-binder &

> > minerals, Lysine-anti-viral, digestive enzymes .looks like the Vit A is @

> > 50% PDV, Vit E is 100%, Chromium 100%, Zinc is only 34% (I think you're low

> > here, see comments on zinc below), & it does have some omega 3 & 6, Magnesium

> > is low (I'd really look @ that too). This would have increased some

> > minerals & also started some detox.

> >

> > Yes, it is possible to have a yeast flare, even w/in a few days especially

> > w/an increase in sugar intake & /or toxic metals dumping (esp mercury)

> > always kicks up yeast!!! A good example of this is one of the kids that we

> > met often @ our docs office I learned SO much there talking w/other moms in

> > the waiting room ;o)! This child had normal yeast labs, but they knew when

> > his speech dropped that they needed to come in. The mom would tell me how

> > absolutely amazing this was his speech would drop, they'd hall him into the

> > office, do an LED detox of yeast & right away his speech would dramatically

> > increase. Saw this w/one of our other WA children only @ a slower pace. I

> > agree w/Channa, if your child is doing better on GSE, I'd stay w/it.

> >

> > I fully believe you have started a detox & mercury is involved (one of the

> > clues here is the drooling ie " increased salivation " , also " irritability &

> > excitability " below is my notes on mercury symptoms). (Personally I would

> > not add AC right now you need binders but I believe w/the current detox you

> > need the minerals & other superfood properties as much adding one more

> > thing right now is not where I would personally go (also, Channa's klamuth

> > blue green algae by the company is high on my likes!):

> > " Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch,

> > hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure

> > symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches,

> > hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced

> > exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic

> > behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure.

> > July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning

> > side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory

> > disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to

> > touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking,

> > hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive

> > impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory

> > and in understanding abstract ideas. "

> >

> > I would not lab test all this right now considering your situation .I've

> > copied our docs " Clinical Signs for you below " to help you out. I'd

> > recommend you just go w/a safe dose of zinc for now. I'm also concerned for

> > your magnesium it's also a big player that's generally low.

> > Here's some clues from wiki " zinc deficiency "

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypozincemia

> > *one-third of the world population is at risk of zinc deficiency

> > *Zinc deficiency is the fifth leading risk factor for disease in the

> > developing world

> > *Zinc as an appetite stimulator

> > *zinc (14 mg per day) doubled the rate of body mass increase

> > *Studies have shown that zinc treatment results in a 25 percent reduction

> > in duration of acute diarrhea

> > *Plasma zinc levels have been found to be dependent upon vitamins A and D.

> > (being in India I assume your vitD is ok .but I'm thinking Vit A

> > here .antiviral/vitA )

> > *In rats, the " first visible sign " of zinc deficiency is a decreased

> > appetite (info on the sodium is interesting here)

> > *In India, zinc-deficient soils occupy almost 50% of the agricultural area.

> >

> > To help you with the clinical part of this since your doc is so far away,

> > I'm listing below some of Dr Amy Powerpoint slides in hopes this will help

> > you clues I always go to:

> >

> > " Supplements

> > • Essentials:

> > - Probiotics

> > - EFA's

> > - Minerals

> > - Magnesium or vit C to move the bowels

> > - Binders if detoxing

> > - Methylation support

> > - Very likely something to support metal detox

> >

> > Physical Exam

> > • Feel for swollen lymph nodes

> > • Look for allergic shiners (thyroid, food allergies)

> > • Look for discoloration around the mouth (often a sign of parasites)

> > • Feel skin texture, especially on the back of the arms (vit A, EFA's)

> > • Look where your child carries his/her weight

> > • Pupil dilation or brown spots in the iris

> > • Rashes or streaks

> > • Sock lines

> > • Skin color (gray, yellow)

> > • Growth curve patterns

> >

> > Clinical signs of parasites

> > • Rashes on the chest or neck

> > • Discoloration around the mouth

> > • Males often have risky behaviors

> > • Aggravations around the full moon (bloating,

> > irritation, etc)

> > • Pimples on the head within the hair

> > (newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNA

> > probe for better sensitivity)

> >

> > My favorites for treating parasites

> > (the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat)

> > • BioPure organic freeze dried garlic

> > • Rizol oils

> > • Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks

> > • Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeat

> > after 3 weeks)

> > • Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks)

> > • Alinia (prescription dose varies)

> > • YES Herbal liquid

> > • It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasite

> > medications with homeopathic support

> >

> > Clinical signs of viruses

> > • Hot and soft tissue in the forehead

> > • Tinnitus and noise sensitivity

> > • Fatigue

> > • Elevated WBC's when symptoms get

> > worse

> > • Enlarged lymph nodes

> > • Cold sores or canker sores

> >

> > Clinical signs of yeast/fungus

> > • Gas and bloating

> > • Lower abdomen is resistant to weight loss

> > • Kids- high pitched squealing, silly , flushed cheeks and stimming

> > • White coating on the tongue

> > • Brain fog and fatigue

> > • Vaginal or anal irritation/itching/redness

> > • Headaches

> > • Weakness/ fatigue

> > • Sugar cravings

> > • Stinky BM's

> > • Light sensitivity

> > • Rashes

> > • Memory loss or concentration difficulties

> > • Joint pain and morning stiffness

> > • Shortness of breath

> > • Sinus congestion

> > • Numbness and tingling

> > • Skin sensitivity

> > • Muscle aches and pains "

> >

> > Clinical Signs of Metal Toxicity

> > • Brown flecks in the eye

> > • Easily startled or anxious

> > • Teeth grinding

> > • Ridges or lines on the fingernails

> > • Chemical sensitivity

> > • Never ending yeast issues

> > • Regression with vaccines

> > • Noise and light sensitivity

> > • Labs are valuable here!!! "

> >

> > I believe as you've started in a detox reaction. Liver supports are

> > something you may want to consider. Additionally I would definitely

> > consider Alfalfa and/or Pectasol as additional binders, especially alfalfa

> > as it too is a superfood w/needed minerals. Also the constipation you gotta

> > get those bowels moving daily first off consider the magnesium depending on

> > your prior test levels (most of our kids are low) .

> >

> > In looking at your list of sups in relation to Dr Amy's Essentials: You

> > named chlorella, OLE /viridian, B6 B2 MB 12. (Note: Dr Amy says in her

> > powerpoint: " Olive leaf (I prefer a tincture mixed with Gingko) " so it

> > looks like you have some minerals w/the chlorella, an antiviral w/OLE, some

> > good B's on board. I'd consider zinc & probably a good multi-vit. I too

> > suspect parasites, look further at the clinical signs .especially watch the

> > behaviors w/the moon cycle. We've seen Immusist alone start to dump the

> > worms. Do a double-check w/the nails & eyes see your clues to these

> > clinical signs above.

> >

> > I'd definitely NOT share anything you are doing w/the speech therapist or

> > anyone else that does not " get it " . If all else fails in figuring this out,

> > go down to 1 drop of Immusist a day so you detox slower if you feel you

> > need to go down further then put 2 cups of water in a glass jar or pitcher

> > w/1 drop and give parts of this throughout the day. These things have

> > generally helped slow down the detox down to make it more comfortable for

> > all.

> >

> > Let us know if we can help further. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight

> > ) that always helps too!!

> > Blessings,

> > Rita

> >

> > (ps I trimmed all other messages....there were lots of ?'s/points. I tried

> > to answer throughout the prior 3 posts...I copied the posts in my Word to

> > try & cover all the points & keep track of them, if I missed anything or

> > did not make clear, just let me know, I'll be glad to assist further.)

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> warm regards

>

> Pallavi.S.Rao

>

[Guest guest]

hi thanks rita, channa n all of you..dont get scared...am not starting anything new...just got the suppliments stocked!!!!!!its been 5 months since she is on chlorella, GSE, et cjust adding immusist now as i have seen really good results with chlorella!

she is on MB12, B6,B2, n DMG all kirkman since ast 2 years... i would stop for a few weeks when i feel parasites are way beyond control and then  slowly  restart and increase the dosage...only now i have learnt the importance of enzyamatic forms (like folinic, R5P, 5mthf,P5p et)c so not giving everything together but slowly replacing the brands .

enhansa: am giving her organically grown turmeric pounded into powder with every meal since last 6 months and have seen her confusions going away( ike she used to show me the same tiger as cheetah sometimes, tiger sometimes,lion sometimes!!!!) but no increase in speech. so want to see if the enhanced curcumin will further help... will start with a low dosage though her body is used to curcumin..

5mthf: i just got it as my daughter struggles with sleep now and then ( of course with high parasites due to Bs)so seratonin/dophamine may be corrected . her sleep is better after starting 2000IU of D along along with aminos...i was thinking of melatonin but somehow it got better with D so the obvious culprit may be the D though we live in a sunny country sadly  with ACs on ):

aminos: the biggest gain i have seen in terms of speech is of course with carnosine.. gave it for 8 weeks as per clinical findings.. my non verbal daughter started proper approximations... it didnt go away completey like with Nutriveda....she is on ACL small dose for over a year now ... i can see a link now channa..i started it to bring her hyperthyroid under control ,it helped.. the head sweating stopped,body became cooler... because it so obviously increase the copper or rather collects it!!!! channa , you found the same result with copper suppliments.. i also started giving her cabbage family foods...somewhere i read taurine will increase hyperthyroidism...so with a thyroid child we have to observe everything.so am keen on aminos though her indian OAT diidnt specify anything ,but  i see most of the aminos are way beyond low from the compared specimen... perhaps that explains why she  does seemingly better on Nutriveda...

major hurdles are the on/off speech, sensory. which i am suspecting the result of heavy metal and parasites vicious circle.. its the first heal the gut or remove the metals...!!!

thats when i decided to try immusist.before heading towards anything stronger( which i will do only if hair mineral shows up) so Rita am trying everything which is minimally chemical first...if it doesnt workout in 6 or more months then will think of something new.. just collecting info about ALA  .

channa, you are an angel  thanks for helping with hyperthyroidism... will contact you in a week as am planning her clinical tests again..yep Noel, i cant come to US as husband is a Bureaucrat ... we are trying  but dont know if we can fight it without staying together .( though i wish sometime when i dont get info, frustrated with supplements,tests, therapists). no the situation has changed much as i struggled to get B1 n OLE in India.... you have done the right thing... her SLP is good but ABA.... initially i only did after reading the parents manual by catharine morris like Bhagavdgeetha... ( of course i had to order the book from US!!!).. could see lots of changes.. now got an american to come home 4 days a week for 2 hours ... just started with him seems to be pretty good ..but had to see. there is a huge dearth of properly trained ones here. 

floortime again through Books... not so consistent n sucessfull  as she has started school. no, she is very very anti social!!!!! the TLP helped and planning the next level.. she is on homeopathy as well.

searching for a good cranial therapist here,dont know how sucessfull i will be. please  dont come back till your child is completely recovered..sorry for the long mail...but its where i can speak openly and not feeling like an alien ..

hi channa , Rita n all other great moms reading it out there. i  read every mail ,but dont contribute much as am very  very new to bio med. but you all helped me so much, i have hit yet another road block.am writing from Bangalore ( India)

i have just started Immusist  2 drops a day .  before that my 4 year old , PDD-NOS ,global apraxia child was saying few words after 2 years of therapy ...now after a week of immusist she is refusing to say anything, her speech therapist is angry with me as she suspects am experimenting with my child...

on the good part, her cognition is just up ..even follows most of the instructions now.is it natural, does it happen with lots of kids.because nothing else has changed except adding immusist.

she is on chlorella( yayayema) OLE ( viridian)B6 B2 MB 12  even after adding immusist am continuing on these.she started drooling and biting everything so i suspected parasites and increased OLE that behavior stopped.. ( she doesn't do so well on GSE)

now she is very aggressive, doesn't co operate in school and therapy. she wants to do what she feels like doing..am clueless. dont want to stop immusist ( am greedy after reading about everybody).

should i add more binders...( i can get alfalfa, pectasol.. cant get charcoal )?y this tantrums..any known vitamin, mineral, amino deficiency)problem is DAN is 4 hours away flying...n even doesnt approve anything new...so dont know where to turn to except this group.please let me know what else can be the issue here.

waiting eagerly for ur replies..a huge thanks in advance.-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao

-- warm regardsPallavi.S.Rao