spacing out, attention disintigration-school evals

[Guest guest]

Here's a summary that appears to say that the " spacing out " we've seen with

the kids is related to a decrease in left visual awareness. has no

vision in her left eye, and would 'space out' in school. She just was not

taking in, processing, or putting out, any info. for periods of time. Does

this

hold true for any other kids who have the " space out " almost mini-seizure

appearance episodes ? new term in this article: " Spatial neglect "

_Entrez PubMed_

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\

16238670 & dopt=Abstract)

Can any of the professionals on-list pull the full article?

Another thought: is it common knowledge now that an edu. eval. should

determine whether the child learns best visually or via auditory pathways?

That

really is not self-evident by the physical state of these systems. In other

words, the most efficient learning pathways cannot necessarily be identified by

the particular physical sensory deficits, it has to do with deeper neural

functioning/processing, and I'll reiterate here that in most cases, an

evaluator

familiar with duel sensory impairments is the only person qualified to

accurately test and assess.

in Ma.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chantelle,

I wish I did know what to do about it. I'll keep researching-see if we can

find some more info.

The funny thing is, they didn't mention actual visual ability for the kids

in the study, but it doesn't really matter if the results are the same, it

just means the Chargrs have MORE reason to have this problem.

Does it feel like fatigue to you? like you're tired from taking in the

information, and need a break? Or do you just kind of come back from 'tuning

out' and realize you weren't hearing or listening to what was going on. In

other words, do you feel tired beforehand, or do you just realize afterwards

that you just 'took a break.' (if you know what I mean.)

I'll try to find more info.

in Ma.

[Guest guest]

That is EXACTLY what happens with me... i still get that happening. What can

be done about it? Do you know of any treatments?

Chantelle (CHARGEr 27)

>

> Here's a summary that appears to say that the " spacing out " we've seen

> with

> the kids is related to a decrease in left visual awareness. has

> no

> vision in her left eye, and would 'space out' in school. She just was

> not

> taking in, processing, or putting out, any info. for periods of time.

> Does this

> hold true for any other kids who have the " space out " almost mini-seizure

> appearance episodes ? new term in this article: " Spatial neglect "

> _Entrez PubMed_

> (

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

6238670 & dopt=Abstract

> )

> Can any of the professionals on-list pull the full article?

>

> Another thought: is it common knowledge now that an edu. eval. should

> determine whether the child learns best visually or via

> auditory pathways? That

> really is not self-evident by the physical state of these systems. In

> other

> words, the most efficient learning pathways cannot necessarily be

> identified by

> the particular physical sensory deficits, it has to do with deeper neural

> functioning/processing, and I'll reiterate here that in most cases, an

> evaluator

> familiar with duel sensory impairments is the only person qualified to

> accurately test and assess.

>

> in Ma.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

& Chantelle-

I just looked at both articles. The Balametrics one makes sense to me, but

I don't get the space-out thing. Help me get it. Chantelle- can you

explain what it's like for you?

Michele W

[Guest guest]

Chantelle,

Let me say a couple of things. You know I have no training, just some

experience. Also, some of the info I'm finding today is not straight forward

about CHARGE. Sometimes its very similar, and they are just looking at it for

different reasons. Sometimes, we can follow the findings backwards, and find

clues. And sometimes I'm staring at a report that I just know has a clue in

it, and its too technical for me to understand. And then comes the 'kind of

good, kind of bad' part. Even though the professionals are learning more

about what causes certain situations and conditions, I am not finding any new

methods offered for treating them.

So, we are left with what we already know, but thats ok-because what we

know, helps.

As you are going back to classes, and too, exercise is key to avoiding

that 'spacing out'. It's something we all do sometimes when our attention

is required for a long time,

and there are many reasons why it would happen more often to anyone with

Charge.

I know winter's coming, and getting out to walk is going to be an issue.

Plus, a good arm swing is really going to help, and you can't do that with the

cane. So, do you have a VCR or DVD player? Your computer plays DVD's,

right? I could suggest some different exercise tapes-one is a pilates tape

for

people who have scoliosis, so that you don't hurt your back. Beginning t'ai

chi is gentle enough not to hurt, and helps with balance, breathing,

stretching. These things are good because when you train the body, you train

the

brain.

And we can always throw open a window and high-step in place to music or

whatever you want to watch. This is " workin' it " in reverse-get help to

the brain through the body, you will see a good difference.

You know what I mean by " cross the midline " ? whether doing side-steps- one

foot crossing over or under the other, or karate punches across from one

side to the other instead of straight out. And can you draw big figure eight's

in the air? All those help alot.

And if you want to run a little experiment-when in class, doodle with your

left hand. I'm assuming your right handed, and let me know if that made any

difference at all.

And if I find anything new, I will get right to you.

in Ma.

P.S. How is your vision in the left eye?

[Guest guest]

I do both.

Sometimes its fatuige from trying too hard to listen/see but other times its

actual zoning out and i relize i missed stuff.

--

My spelling's kinda wobbly. It's good spelling but the letters wobble and

end up in the wrong places. - Winnie the Pooh

[Guest guest]

Chantelle-

That's really helpful. I also zone out here and there. I think all people

do to some degree. I'm guessing that this is more frequent and therefore

causes more problems. I'm just trying to find a way to relate so that I can

better understand. It'll be interesting to see if Aubrie's EEG shows

anything. When you zone out, is it something that others would notice or

would they think you're still paying attention? I mean, it seems that

others wouldn't notice it like a mini-seizure. It's different, I think. Am

I on the right track? Am I making any sense at all? :-)

Michele W

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From: CHARGE [mailto:CHARGE ] On Behalf Of

Chantelle McLaren

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:20 PM

To: CHARGE

Subject: Re: spacing out, attention disintigration-school evals

I do both.

Sometimes its fatuige from trying too hard to listen/see but other times its

actual zoning out and i relize i missed stuff.

--

My spelling's kinda wobbly. It's good spelling but the letters wobble and

end up in the wrong places. - Winnie the Pooh