Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

July 5, 2010

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

I do not know, but I am convinced that private schools do little better.We need to educate teachers better. Here in California, all teachers mustnot merely graduate in education, but in at least one academic major subject;I think that I should prefer that it be history! Not that anyone is being taught grammar and language usage, nor the basics of arithmetic and geometry--Of course it really does help that people (you and I being good examples)actually read and talk to the children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews,of whatever generation.As it happens, each of our children learned to read by about age three orearlier (we read to them), and I got curious about this. So, I asked my ownmother how old each of us was when we learned to read. The answer was,"I think by about age three." Then I asked my husband's mother. The answerwas "Hans (my husband) learned by about age three; Carl (dysgraphic and dyslectic) never learned at all."So, nowadays at least there used to be-- special help for children with learningproblems and/or developmental delays.I must admit that whether by computer, typewriter, by hand, or through books,or websites, it is just so important for each of us to become as literate as possible,and as knowledgable as possible. I cannot stop myself--endless curiosity.Today, I have been watching a PBS series on the National Public Parks--absolutely fascinating--they began in with Arizona, and are spreading northand west.I'm with you, Sharon. Kids are the future of the world!

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: MSersLife Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 1:08:07 PMSubject: (n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

I was floored when I saw this. What are they teaching in school if that many people don't know these basics? After I read it I asked my grandkids "who did we get independence from?" The 7, 12 and 15 year old answered correctly immediately. It took the 14 year old a few seconds longer to answer only because she was certain I was trying to trick her. Every day I read to the grandkids. Several days ago it was a true story about Sybil Ludington, a 16 year old who did a ride like Revere on April 26, 1777. It is so important that our children know about our history! What has happened to education?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:25:20 PMSubject: Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

This is is just crazy; I saw this on PBS--I believe it, but what bafflesme is that back in the Merovingian period, when I was a student, wewere actually TAUGHT all that!Thank you, Sharon!Love to you and to all really good teachers everywhere,n (a history buff)

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: Group <mserslife@yahoogrou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:21:41 PMSubject: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html

26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgT21lYCRoughly one-fourth of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain, according to a recent poll. How dumb are we?Apparently, pretty dumb.At least according to a new Marist poll, which says 26% of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain.That includes 20% who were unsure and 6% who thought the U.S. separated from another nation.So what country do people think the U.S. achieved its independence from?Among the countries mentioned were France, China, Japan, Mexico and Spain.The poll surveyed 1,004 Americans in June and had 3% margin of error.But hey, even our founding fathers made mistakes.Preservation scientists recently discovered Jefferson had originally referred to the American public as â€œsubjects,â€ then changed it to read â€œcitizensâ€ before the ink dried.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgTeO7fE

July 5, 2010

Hey Sharon,

Not much, had an MRI which shows my brain atrophying a bit because of "wear and tear" from 10 years of ms. Please, no one read into that. it effects my short-term memory a little but I'm still more than competent to teach once the summer's over. The problem with "fixing the system" as you put it is the states constantly cut funding to schools and not all states require the same things for graduation. The states are like 50 different entities with different curriculum requirements at the grade levels. So it's been suggested that maybe public education should fall under the federal government jurisdiction in order for there to be unity among the states and what is taught when. However, how big of a fit would be thrown by state and local governments over federal interference especially if the state still had to pay for it. So I don't think the system is broken as much as it is a complicated mess. Students still get an education and go to college at a higher rate in this country than anywhere else in the world. So don't read too much into one inane poll taken of what, 1,000 people no telling where and reason that our country's education system is failing. Polls can be manipulated to say anything.

Amy

AmyIt's so good to see you posting! How have you been? What are you doing for the summer?You know I didn't mean to denigrate you as a teacher. Right? I know you work hard and I know all about the continuing education required. I have a niece who has been teaching for over 20 years now so I get it. With all that said though the system appears to be broken somehow for so many kids or we wouldn't have 26% who don't know these basic history facts. I don't know what the solution is but there is something very wrong somewhere. I know you agree, Amy. hugs

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com" <RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com>To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

In a message dated 7/4/2010 5:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

I do not know, but I am convinced that private schools do little better.We need to educate teachers better. Here in California, all teachers mustnot merely graduate in education, but in at least one academic major subject;I think that I should prefer that it be history! Not that anyone is being taught grammar and language usage, nor the basics of arithmetic and geometry--Of course it really does help that people (you and I being good examples)actually read and talk to the children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews,of whatever generation.As it happens, each of our children learned to read by about age three orearlier (we read to them), and I got curious about this. So, I asked my ownmother how old each of us was when we learned to read. The answer was,"I think by about age three." Then I asked my husband's mother. The answerwas "Hans (my husband) learned by about age three; Carl (dysgraphic and dyslectic) never learned at all."So, nowadays at least there used to be-- special help for children with learningproblems and/or developmental delays.I must admit that whether by computer, typewriter, by hand, or through books,or websites, it is just so important for each of us to become as literate as possible,and as knowledgable as possible. I cannot stop myself--endless curiosity.Today, I have been watching a PBS series on the National Public Parks--absolutely fascinating- -they began in with Arizona, and are spreading northand west.I'm with you, Sharon. Kids are the future of the world!

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sun, July 4, 2010 1:08:07 PMSubject: (n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

I was floored when I saw this. What are they teaching in school if that many people don't know these basics? After I read it I asked my grandkids "who did we get independence from?" The 7, 12 and 15 year old answered correctly immediately. It took the 14 year old a few seconds longer to answer only because she was certain I was trying to trick her. Every day I read to the grandkids. Several days ago it was a true story about Sybil Ludington, a 16 year old who did a ride like Revere on April 26, 1777. It is so important that our children know about our history! What has happened to education?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:25:20 PMSubject: Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

This is is just crazy; I saw this on PBS--I believe it, but what bafflesme is that back in the Merovingian period, when I was a student, wewere actually TAUGHT all that!Thank you, Sharon!Love to you and to all really good teachers everywhere,n (a history buff)

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: Group <mserslife@yahoogrou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:21:41 PMSubject: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html

26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgT21lYCRoughly one-fourth of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain, according to a recent poll.

How dumb are we?Apparently, pretty dumb.At least according to a new Marist poll, which says 26% of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain.That includes 20% who were unsure and 6% who thought the U.S. separated from another nation.So what country do people think the U.S. achieved its independence from?Among the countries mentioned were France, China, Japan, Mexico and Spain.The poll surveyed 1,004 Americans in June and had 3% margin of error.But hey, even our founding fathers made mistakes.Preservation scientists recently discovered Jefferson had originally referred to the American public as â€œsubjects,â€ then changed it to read â€œcitizensâ€ before the ink dried.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgTeO7fE

July 5, 2010

AmyIt's so good to see you posting! How have you been? What are you doing for the summer?You know I didn't mean to denigrate you as a teacher. Right? I know you work hard and I know all about the continuing education required. I have a niece who has been teaching for over 20 years now so I get it. With all that said though the system appears to be broken somehow for so many kids or we wouldn't have 26% who don't know these basic history facts. I don't know what the solution is but there is something very wrong somewhere. I know you agree, Amy. hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From: "RubyFireDragon76@..."

To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

I do not know, but I am convinced that private schools do little better.We need to educate teachers better. Here in California, all teachers mustnot merely graduate in education, but in at least one academic major subject;I think that I should prefer that it be history! Not that anyone is being taught grammar and language usage, nor the basics of arithmetic and geometry--Of course it really does help that people (you and I being good examples)actually read and talk to the children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews,of whatever generation.As it happens, each of our children learned to read by about age three orearlier (we read to them), and I got curious about this. So, I asked my ownmother how old each of us was when we learned to read. The answer was,"I think by about age three." Then I asked my husband's mother. The answerwas "Hans (my husband) learned by about age three; Carl (dysgraphic and dyslectic) never learned at all."So, nowadays at least there used to be-- special help for children with learningproblems and/or developmental delays.I must admit that whether by computer, typewriter, by hand, or through books,or websites, it is just so important for each of us to become as literate as possible,and as knowledgable as possible. I cannot stop myself--endless curiosity.Today, I have been watching a PBS series on the National Public Parks--absolutely fascinating- -they began in with Arizona, and are spreading northand west.I'm with you, Sharon. Kids are the future of the world!

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sun, July 4, 2010 1:08:07 PMSubject: (n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

I was floored when I saw this. What are they teaching in school if that many people don't know these basics? After I read it I asked my grandkids "who did we get independence from?" The 7, 12 and 15 year old answered correctly immediately. It took the 14 year old a few seconds longer to answer only because she was certain I was trying to trick her. Every day I read to the grandkids. Several days ago it was a true story about Sybil Ludington, a 16 year old who did a ride like Revere on April 26, 1777. It is so important that our children know about our history! What has happened to education?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:25:20 PMSubject: Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

This is is just crazy; I saw this on PBS--I believe it, but what bafflesme is that back in the Merovingian period, when I was a student, wewere actually TAUGHT all that!Thank you, Sharon!Love to you and to all really good teachers everywhere,n (a history buff)

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: Group <mserslife@yahoogrou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:21:41 PMSubject: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html

26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgT21lYCRoughly one-fourth of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain, according to a recent poll. How dumb are we?Apparently, pretty dumb.At least according to a new Marist poll, which says 26% of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain.That includes 20% who were unsure and 6% who thought the U.S. separated from another nation.So what country do people think the U.S. achieved its independence from?Among the countries mentioned were France, China, Japan, Mexico and Spain.The poll surveyed 1,004 Americans in June and had 3% margin of error.But hey, even our founding fathers made mistakes.Preservation scientists recently discovered Jefferson had originally referred to the American public as â€œsubjects,â€ then changed it to read â€œcitizensâ€ before the ink dried.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgTeO7fE

July 5, 2010

Scary, isn't it? It's been mentioned at times and the government has tried crap like No Child Left Behind. The problem is they don't fund their "reforms" adequately and they become defunct when a new administration takes over. Currently, they have Race To The Top aka school reform by dangling that carrot of funding over schools so they will compete for it. It's very insulting because changes have to be made BEFORE they'll give the funding and it's given on their judgement of who's met the expectations the best. Ah government, I don't know why we don't want them in our education systems.

Amy

I am totally against the federal government taking over education. I hope that isn't seriously being considered by anyone?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com" <RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com>To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 5:11:16 PMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Hey Sharon,

Not much, had an MRI which shows my brain atrophying a bit because of "wear and tear" from 10 years of ms. Please, no one read into that. it effects my short-term memory a little but I'm still more than competent to teach once the summer's over. The problem with "fixing the system" as you put it is the states constantly cut funding to schools and not all states require the same things for graduation. The states are like 50 different entities with different curriculum requirements at the grade levels. So it's been suggested that maybe public education should fall under the federal government jurisdiction in order for there to be unity among the states and what is taught when. However, how big of a fit would be thrown by state and local governments over federal interference especially if the state still had to pay for it. So I don't think the system is broken as much as it is a complicated mess. Students still get an education and go to college at a higher rate in this country than anywhere else in the world. So don't read too much into one inane poll taken of what, 1,000 people no telling where and reason that our country's education system is failing. Polls can be manipulated to say anything.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 6:31:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wobbletowalk (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

AmyIt's so good to see you posting! How have you been? What are you doing for the summer?You know I didn't mean to denigrate you as a teacher. Right? I know you work hard and I know all about the continuing education required. I have a niece who has been teaching for over 20 years now so I get it. With all that said though the system appears to be broken somehow for so many kids or we wouldn't have 26% who don't know these basic history facts. I don't know what the solution is but there is something very wrong somewhere. I know you agree, Amy. hugs

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

In a message dated 7/4/2010 5:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com writes:

I do not know, but I am convinced that private schools do little better.We need to educate teachers better. Here in California, all teachers mustnot merely graduate in education, but in at least one academic major subject;I think that I should prefer that it be history! Not that anyone is being taught grammar and language usage, nor the basics of arithmetic and geometry--Of course it really does help that people (you and I being good examples)actually read and talk to the children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews,of whatever generation.As it happens, each of our children learned to read by about age three orearlier (we read to them), and I got curious about this. So, I asked my ownmother how old each of us was when we learned to read. The answer was,"I think by about age three." Then I asked my husband's mother. The answerwas "Hans (my husband) learned by about age three; Carl (dysgraphic and dyslectic) never learned at all."So, nowadays at least there used to be-- special help for children with learningproblems and/or developmental delays.I must admit that whether by computer, typewriter, by hand, or through books,or websites, it is just so important for each of us to become as literate as possible,and as knowledgable as possible. I cannot stop myself--endless curiosity.Today, I have been watching a PBS series on the National Public Parks--absolutely fascinating- -they began in with Arizona, and are spreading northand west.I'm with you, Sharon. Kids are the future of the world!

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sun, July 4, 2010 1:08:07 PMSubject: (n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

I was floored when I saw this. What are they teaching in school if that many people don't know these basics? After I read it I asked my grandkids "who did we get independence from?" The 7, 12 and 15 year old answered correctly immediately. It took the 14 year old a few seconds longer to answer only because she was certain I was trying to trick her. Every day I read to the grandkids. Several days ago it was a true story about Sybil Ludington, a 16 year old who did a ride like Revere on April 26, 1777. It is so important that our children know about our history! What has happened to education?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: marion j rojas <marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:25:20 PMSubject: Re: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

This is is just crazy; I saw this on PBS--I believe it, but what bafflesme is that back in the Merovingian period, when I was a student, wewere actually TAUGHT all that!Thank you, Sharon!Love to you and to all really good teachers everywhere,n (a history buff)

From: Sharon <wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com>To: Group <mserslife@yahoogrou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 9:21:41 PMSubject: 26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html

26% of U.S. don't know who we declared independence from

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgT21lYCRoughly one-fourth of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain, according to a recent poll.

How dumb are we?Apparently, pretty dumb.At least according to a new Marist poll, which says 26% of people in this country donâ€™t know that the U.S. declared its independence from Great Britain.That includes 20% who were unsure and 6% who thought the U.S. separated from another nation.So what country do people think the U.S. achieved its independence from?Among the countries mentioned were France, China, Japan, Mexico and Spain.The poll surveyed 1,004 Americans in June and had 3% margin of error.But hey, even our founding fathers made mistakes.Preservation scientists recently discovered Jefferson had originally referred to the American public as â€œsubjects,â€ then changed it to read â€œcitizensâ€ before the ink dried.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_26_of_us_dont_know_who_we_declared_indepence_from_marist_poll.html#ixzz0sgTeO7fE

July 5, 2010

I am totally against the federal government taking over education. I hope that isn't seriously being considered by anyone? SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 5:11:16 PMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....