The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

[Guest guest]

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those

who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay that! It just sucks. I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com" <RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com>To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Sucks all the way around!! It's per year but I have never had one before this. Gee, I wonder why the stocks of insurance companies went up when that was passed. Don't get me wrong either, I think everyone should have access to healthcare but does it have to happen at the expense of those of us middle-class people who already have it? Very irritating.

Amy

AmyIs that a $100 deductible per year? Hopefully not per occurrence! I could get my insurance through my employer, the State of Arizona, but that would also be a cadillac plan under ObamaCare. It's lousy, isn't it?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com" <RubyFireDragon76 (AT) aol (DOT) com>To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 4:31:50 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay that! It just sucks. I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:19:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

AmyIs that a $100 deductible per year? Hopefully not per occurrence! I could get my insurance through my employer, the State of Arizona, but that would also be a cadillac plan under ObamaCare. It's lousy, isn't it? SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 4:31:50 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay that! It just sucks. I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

I have a good friend in Michigan - the unemployment rate is over 20% and any insurance is a bonus - at the chain she is working at there are at least 3 college graduates working for minimum wage and it isn't 40 hours per week

I know down here my sister is an Army veteran and she uses that insurance

A good friend who started college with me in 1966 prayed she could get her 20 years in and retire - she worked from her practicum/student teaching at the neighborhood school 6 blocks from her home - and that is what she did

now the additional qualifications beyond Bachelors are as money based as the psychology ones

To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 8:28:00 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

AmyIs that a $100 deductible per year? Hopefully not per occurrence! I could get my insurance through my employer, the State of Arizona, but that would also be a cadillac plan under ObamaCare. It's lousy, isn't it?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 4:31:50 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay

that! It just sucks. I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:19:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com writes:

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I

did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be

enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

last night on the news someone had a duhhhh moment and said oh gee many docs are not taking medicare and where is everybody going for treatment - old docs are full - new docs refuse to take medicare/medicaid - the clinic of OU residents is crap

To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 11:33:37 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

Sharon,

Sucks all the way around!! It's per year but I have never had one before this. Gee, I wonder why the stocks of insurance companies went up when that was passed. Don't get me wrong either, I think everyone should have access to healthcare but does it have to happen at the expense of those of us middle-class people who already have it? Very irritating.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 9:32:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wobbletowalk@ yahoo.com writes:

AmyIs that a $100 deductible per year? Hopefully not per occurrence! I could get my insurance through my employer, the State of Arizona, but that would also be a cadillac plan under ObamaCare. It's lousy, isn't it?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 4:31:50 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay that! It just sucks.

I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:19:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com writes:

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an

attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be

enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy

[Guest guest]

Oh Amy... I agree with you. You had good insurance until the government decided to "fix" it. lolBut I differ in the respect that I don't think it's the government's job to provide insurance for everyone. You and I worked hard for what we have/had. I know there are people who cannot hold down a job because of disabilities or mental health issues. Those are the people who should get this help--not every single person in the US. I believe it takes away a person's initiative when everything is given to them. I am a believer in the American work ethic. Just my humble opinion:)hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. From: "RubyFireDragon76@..."

To: MSersLife Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 9:33:37 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

Sharon,

Sucks all the way around!! It's per year but I have never had one before this. Gee, I wonder why the stocks of insurance companies went up when that was passed. Don't get me wrong either, I think everyone should have access to healthcare but does it have to happen at the expense of those of us middle-class people who already have it? Very irritating.

Amy

AmyIs that a $100 deductible per year? Hopefully not per occurrence! I could get my insurance through my employer, the State of Arizona, but that would also be a cadillac plan under ObamaCare. It's lousy, isn't it?

SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 4:31:50 PMSubject: Re: The plight of teachers in the USA/ for Ruby and all teachers here

n,

No apology needed, it's just when I see a poll like that I think of the kids who make fun of their history teachers because they slept through class and don't care what has to be learned. I also think of the kids who would know it because they're the ones who get it done and whose parents show up for conferences to make sure they're getting it done. It's been a very hard year for education here in Michigan with the state cutting funding for public schools and the things they're doing to teachers. Not to mention, the one single thing we did get that was adequate, our health insurance, has been deemed "a Cadillac plan" by Obamacare so in order to avoid being taxed for it we had switch to another insurance plan which raises my premiums and causes me to have to pay a $100 deductible starting Jan 1. With ms how fast do you think I'll have to pay that! It just sucks. I have to wonder what does this state want? Do they want a massive teacher shortage because with the little respect they give the profession I don't see anyone graduating from college wanting to teach. Big morale problems for sure.

Amy

In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:19:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marionjrojas2002@ yahoo.com writes:

Amy, first of all, let me tell you that I was born in and spentmy first ten years of life in Michigan. I was married to a secondary school teacher, and as I was preparing to becomea licensed psychologist, I substituted in the public schools ofOakland, California. I am a strong advocate of teachers, ofteachers' unions, and of parents who encourage their childrento actually learn. My husband used to take the recalcitrant students aside--perhaps during a "recess"--and give them thespecial education which had not yet become required nor availableto many in the public schools.Also, as the widow of a teacher in the public schools, I know morethan most that teachers are the least well paid of all professionals!I did not intend an attack on all teachers, much less those who teachin the inner city.Please accept my apology; I am old enough to remember when teacherswere not so well-educated as most are today.Love to you all,n, wMS, 73

From: "RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com" <RubyFireDragon76@ aol.com>To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Mon, July 5, 2010 10:47:47 AMSubject: Re: (Sharon and n) Re: 26% of U.S. don't know....

Sharon and n,

Some of us do the best we can but some students refuse to listen, study or do the work in order to learn. Along with that, an education of any individual falls on many shoulders including the parents they have and the home life they are raised in. Public schools service all, not just the ones who can afford it. I by the way hold an academic major in my subject along with my degree as required by the state of Michigan. I'm also required to take graduate classes in order to maintain my certification. I pay for these classes out of pocket on top of the state reducing my salary by 3% because they need to cover the retiree benefits they cut out of their state budget. They didn't want to stop there either because another bill they can't get a majority on is circulating that would cut my salary an additional 5% to pay for further budget cuts. So even with all of this I still have to find the morale to be enthusiastic about teaching when I have students who sit there and refuse to do anything but show others how well they can screw off and ignore my class. So please understand, I agree not every teacher adequately teaches but education has many facets in order to be successful. Some of us work very hard to reduce those unflattering numbers in "polls".

Amy