Guest guest Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 When I first found this forum, I eagerly read the messages and absorbed all the information. Then it began to depress me, so I stopped reading to avoid the pain of the similarities. I came back on for some new insight after a very upsetting weekend. My NADA lives far away most of the year and I only have to deal with her madness over the phone. I thought I had everything under control. Then in one weak moment I let it all back in. She returned for the summer and we invited her to my son's wedding. She's 90,and lives 3 hrs from me, so I hired someone to take care of her in the hotel (I would not have her in my home, I'm not that bad!). Since plans were progressing nicely, I asked her caretaker to drop her off at my house so that she could take the transportation with us to the church. You all know where this is going. It didn't take her 3 minutes to " start " the complaining, screaming, fighting, accusing, etc. etc. My sister and brother turned to me and said, " what were you thinking? " Long story short, the evening progressed nicely as we all avoided her. I feel sorry for her brother and sister sitting with her. Later on she must have been boiling mad as she screamed at the caretaker and actually threw her out of the hotel in tears at midnight, shaking her fist at her. Now remember, she's 90...you should have seen her at 40! Here's my dilema: I'm a professional, I have a lovely family, my husband is even a psychologist with a PhD. I know everything there is to know about BPD, and yet I still fall right into the rabbit hole. I can't seem to erase her. I get pulled back in time and again. Am I living in a fantasy? Do I need a mother that badly? Thanks for being there and listening. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 {{{{{Hugs}}}}} You are not crazy. I know that for me - I still want my nada to be Mom. I know she can't. It just isn't going to happen. But I still want it. Sigh. I went to visit my family over the 4th of July weekend. I was only there for the afternoon on Monday and morning on Tuesday. It was kind of funny. I have been very low contact and medium chill for quite a while now. Mom had to pull " jabs " from years ago (like almost 20 years ago) cuz she has no current ammunition. It was funny cuz I just don't respond when she says something inappropriate. > > When I first found this forum, I eagerly read the messages and absorbed all the information. Then it began to depress me, so I stopped reading to avoid the pain of the similarities. I came back on for some new insight after a very upsetting weekend. My NADA lives far away most of the year and I only have to deal with her madness over the phone. I thought I had everything under control. Then in one weak moment I let it all back in. She returned for the summer and we invited her to my son's wedding. She's 90,and lives 3 hrs from me, so I hired someone to take care of her in the hotel (I would not have her in my home, I'm not that bad!). Since plans were progressing nicely, I asked her caretaker to drop her off at my house so that she could take the transportation with us to the church. You all know where this is going. It didn't take her 3 minutes to " start " the complaining, screaming, fighting, accusing, etc. etc. My sister and brother turned to me and said, " what were you thinking? " Long story short, the evening progressed nicely as we all avoided her. I feel sorry for her brother and sister sitting with her. Later on she must have been boiling mad as she screamed at the caretaker and actually threw her out of the hotel in tears at midnight, shaking her fist at her. Now remember, she's 90...you should have seen her at 40! > Here's my dilema: I'm a professional, I have a lovely family, my husband is even a psychologist with a PhD. I know everything there is to know about BPD, and yet I still fall right into the rabbit hole. I can't seem to erase her. I get pulled back in time and again. Am I living in a fantasy? Do I need a mother that badly? Thanks for being there and listening. m > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Its, like, practically genetically and culturally programmed into our DNA to want and even to need to have our mother in our lives, even when our mother is clearly abusive. Its hard to overcome that level of conditioning/hard-wiring. It sounds to me like you are doing the best you can, and that is OK. You are trying to include your mother in your life sometimes and not cut her out entirely, even at an emotional cost to you. We each have to do what works for us, individually. Please don't beat yourself up for doing the best you can; you're doing better than I am at the moment. I had to withdraw totally from contact with my nada. Not a great choice, but, the lesser of two evils: I have to deal with the guilt of choosing my own needs, my own health, over nada's. So, please don't feel badly. You're OK, you're a decent, empathetic and compassionate human being. As you describe your 90 year old nada's behaviors, I can see what an absolute terror she must have been at 40: Ghengis Kahn in high heels. It doesn't make you a bad human being or a bad daughter to simply decline to be a punching bag and remove yourself from an abuser's reach. -Annie > > When I first found this forum, I eagerly read the messages and absorbed all the information. Then it began to depress me, so I stopped reading to avoid the pain of the similarities. I came back on for some new insight after a very upsetting weekend. My NADA lives far away most of the year and I only have to deal with her madness over the phone. I thought I had everything under control. Then in one weak moment I let it all back in. She returned for the summer and we invited her to my son's wedding. She's 90,and lives 3 hrs from me, so I hired someone to take care of her in the hotel (I would not have her in my home, I'm not that bad!). Since plans were progressing nicely, I asked her caretaker to drop her off at my house so that she could take the transportation with us to the church. You all know where this is going. It didn't take her 3 minutes to " start " the complaining, screaming, fighting, accusing, etc. etc. My sister and brother turned to me and said, " what were you thinking? " Long story short, the evening progressed nicely as we all avoided her. I feel sorry for her brother and sister sitting with her. Later on she must have been boiling mad as she screamed at the caretaker and actually threw her out of the hotel in tears at midnight, shaking her fist at her. Now remember, she's 90...you should have seen her at 40! > Here's my dilema: I'm a professional, I have a lovely family, my husband is even a psychologist with a PhD. I know everything there is to know about BPD, and yet I still fall right into the rabbit hole. I can't seem to erase her. I get pulled back in time and again. Am I living in a fantasy? Do I need a mother that badly? Thanks for being there and listening. m > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Annie, thanks for the kind words. I know you're right, and I have tried to include her in my life much more than my brothers and sister. They absolutely refused to have her to their homes years ago. I couldn't do it. It just feels wrong. But it's also wrong to let her ruin every holiday and family occasion. I fantasize how nice it will be, and it's not, each and every time without exception. I think I'm feeling this way because I know what I have to do, and it's just so hard. It's heartbreaking to have a parent alive and healthy that is like poison to you. Well that's a good analogy. If I won't drink poison, why would I have her in my life.  Thanks to this group, I know that I can't give in or weaken, or pretend anymore that she's going to behave and calm down. It's me who has to accept this and it's me who has to change. I'm putting up my wonder woman shield to protect myself and those I love. Nice talking to you. Thanks again, maureen Subject: Re: They never change, ever......so when will I get it? To: WTOAdultChildren1 Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 4:41 PM  Its, like, practically genetically and culturally programmed into our DNA to want and even to need to have our mother in our lives, even when our mother is clearly abusive. Its hard to overcome that level of conditioning/hard-wiring. It sounds to me like you are doing the best you can, and that is OK. You are trying to include your mother in your life sometimes and not cut her out entirely, even at an emotional cost to you. We each have to do what works for us, individually. Please don't beat yourself up for doing the best you can; you're doing better than I am at the moment. I had to withdraw totally from contact with my nada. Not a great choice, but, the lesser of two evils: I have to deal with the guilt of choosing my own needs, my own health, over nada's. So, please don't feel badly. You're OK, you're a decent, empathetic and compassionate human being. As you describe your 90 year old nada's behaviors, I can see what an absolute terror she must have been at 40: Ghengis Kahn in high heels. It doesn't make you a bad human being or a bad daughter to simply decline to be a punching bag and remove yourself from an abuser's reach. -Annie > > When I first found this forum, I eagerly read the messages and absorbed all the information. Then it began to depress me, so I stopped reading to avoid the pain of the similarities. I came back on for some new insight after a very upsetting weekend. My NADA lives far away most of the year and I only have to deal with her madness over the phone. I thought I had everything under control. Then in one weak moment I let it all back in. She returned for the summer and we invited her to my son's wedding. She's 90,and lives 3 hrs from me, so I hired someone to take care of her in the hotel (I would not have her in my home, I'm not that bad!). Since plans were progressing nicely, I asked her caretaker to drop her off at my house so that she could take the transportation with us to the church. You all know where this is going. It didn't take her 3 minutes to " start " the complaining, screaming, fighting, accusing, etc. etc. My sister and brother turned to me and said, " what were you thinking? " Long story short, the evening progressed nicely as we all avoided her. I feel sorry for her brother and sister sitting with her. Later on she must have been boiling mad as she screamed at the caretaker and actually threw her out of the hotel in tears at midnight, shaking her fist at her. Now remember, she's 90...you should have seen her at 40! > Here's my dilema: I'm a professional, I have a lovely family, my husband is even a psychologist with a PhD. I know everything there is to know about BPD, and yet I still fall right into the rabbit hole. I can't seem to erase her. I get pulled back in time and again. Am I living in a fantasy? Do I need a mother that badly? Thanks for being there and listening. m > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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