Re: motor planning difficulty anybody?

[Guest guest]

My son had significant motor planning difficulties - in speech as well as gross and fine motor movements. The two treatments that helped us with this were occupational therapy & Floortime. We now have. I motor planning issues at all. In terms of biomedical interventions that helped, methyl b-12 shots & AC chelation were the biggest wows. Good luck - RuthSent from my iPhone

Hi;

I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the discussions going on here.

I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is that have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

thanks a lot in advance

ana

[Guest guest]

Same here as Ruth's case. My son is 3.5 years old now. He just got 3 hours of floortime by the school district at home for a month now and we have already seen some good progress. Nothing Biomedical from my side, except Methyl B12 oral from The Vitamin Shoppe (2ml daily in 2 divided doses)

Noel

 

My son had significant motor planning difficulties - in speech as well as gross and fine motor movements. The two treatments that helped us with this were occupational therapy & Floortime. We now have. I motor planning issues at all. 

In terms of biomedical interventions that helped, methyl b-12 shots & AC chelation were the biggest wows. Good luck - RuthSent from my iPhone

 

Hi;

I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the discussions going on here.

I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is that have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

thanks a lot in advance

ana

[Guest guest]

We overcame significant motor planning issues. Our two biggest wows were Cranio

Sacral Therapy (which in our area was offered through Boulder Community

Hospital's Behavioral Health Autism unit, but can be offered by physical

therapists, massage therapists, and chiropractors- try to ask around for a

referral because not all are qualified) and- surprisingly, treating for

parasites (that showed up on Metamatrix testing but not standard testing). The

parasite treatment affecting motor planning was a big shocker for us. But I

believe it has something to do with microscopic parasites in the fluid in the

ear canal, because at the same time Mia's balance issues cleared up. Her

proprioception (the sense of where your limbs are in space as related to you,

the ground, other people and objects) also dramatically improved at the same

time. She very quickly started drawing figures with arms and legs in the right

places, age appropriately, as opposed to the alien looking figures she had drawn

for so long- essentially an oval with a flat bottom and arms sticking out where

the ears belonged. A few days into full parasite treatment Mia drew a picture of

her Physical Therapist with a full body, fingers, toes, earrings, hair, and

eyelashes. I thought I was going to fall over dead.

The benefit from the Cranio Sacral work was substantial and built over a two

month period. The benefits from the parasite treatment came more quickly- over

about 4 days.

We also did traditional Occupational Therapy. Within this, spinning and heavy

lifting were of biggest help for us. We read the books " The Out of Sync Child "

and " Growing an In Sync Child " , and utilize techniques from these when Mia is

having trouble again (which inevitably coincides with renewed parasite issues,

which we track with a microscope), at times of transition where she might have

trouble planning in her mind what she needs to do to get to the new activity.

Our motor planning issues were significant. Mia would shut down and have

screaming fits every time we were going to go somewhere. She would refuse to put

on shoes and socks, jacket, etc. At the same time, she would really want to go

out (to the playground, friend's house. . .). But her terror over how to do

this- how to get out the door and get there, was overwhelming. Also, if we were

going to do something new- like go to the Children's museum, or go for a walk

someplace new, this would increase the terror and she would start with an

inability to do everyday things the moment she heard of the new event. Mia also

could not use any playground equipment without freezing and crying or screaming.

She could not sit on a bike. . .

Another thing we did when things were at their worst was we made pictures of how

to get from point A to point B. This could be a series of pictures on how to get

out the door (socks, shoes, coat, door, outside, car) or how to climb a ladder

at the playground (hands on bar, feet on bar, knees bent, straighten knees to

stand up, hands up, feet up. . . ). We also practiced social situations over and

over (how to say hello, how to answer basic greeting questions). But I must say

that for us, all of this was only bringing gains at a glacial pace until we did

the CST and then the parasite treatment. But I do feel that ALL of it was very

helpful and each built on the other.

All kids are different though, but this was our experience.

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> > Hi;

> >

> > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > discussions going on here.

> > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is that

> > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > thanks a lot in advance

> > ana

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Could please share your parasite treatment.

Thank you so much!

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> > >

> > > Hi;

> > >

> > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > discussions going on here.

> > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is

that

> > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > ana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Parasites, parasites and more parasites. If you think of all the nutrients that

help with speech they are the same ones that parasites eat and then leave us

malnourished. Treat parasites and replenish nutrients. Protozoa were

responsible for issues stemming from the ears, like balance, hyperacusis and

most sensory issues and gross motor delays. Augmentin and bactrim together

fixed fine motor. The big guns for worms (alinia, ivermectin, albenza) are

helping apraxia and also developing playground skills and bike riding.

All the vitamins and fats in the world did very little prior to hitting

parasites for a year and now they are doing their jobs quickly.

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> > >

> > >

> > > Hi;

> > >

> > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > discussions going on here.

> > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is

that

> > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > ana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Parasites, parasites and more parasites. If you think of all the nutrients that

help with speech they are the same ones that parasites eat and then leave us

malnourished. Treat parasites and replenish nutrients. Protozoa were

responsible for issues stemming from the ears, like balance, hyperacusis and

most sensory issues and gross motor delays. Augmentin and bactrim together

fixed fine motor. The big guns for worms (alinia, ivermectin, albenza) are

helping apraxia and also developing playground skills and bike riding.

All the vitamins and fats in the world did very little prior to hitting

parasites for a year and now they are doing their jobs quickly.

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> > >

> > >

> > > Hi;

> > >

> > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > discussions going on here.

> > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is

that

> > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > ana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everybody for sharing your experience.I am definitely going to sit

down with my DAN soon and follow up on all of these.

;did you get any specific tests done for this parasite

issue?and if yes;what showed up?I do feel my son has a bit of yeast issues as

sometimes he is giggly,goofy,silly etc.lets see what the doc says.

thanks

ana

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> > >

> > >

> > > Hi;

> > >

> > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > discussions going on here.

> > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is

that

> > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > ana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, motor planning is also a big issue for my son. I have suspected

parasites for a long time but did'nt know parasites could specifically related

to it. Our first two stool cdsa results were negative for parasites. My son is

potty trsined and it is extremely difficult to even collect stool samples for

cdsa. So testing myself w a microscope is probably not an option. I discussed w

my dan and he actually thinks that tapeworms could be beneficial. I think that I

will have to treat parasites myself. I am waiting for alinia as my son as he has

never done well on naturals. But my question is that is there any other testing

that can be done to prove there are harmful parasites in the child's system?

is

[Guest guest]

hi alexis,You can do a DNA test.Check thishttps://www.metametrix.com/clinicians/store/specimen-collection-kits/gi-effects-kitGrace

[Guest guest]

Thanks Grace! I checked the link and found the GI effects specimen collection

kit. Should I ask for Parasitology profile? Can you elaborate more on this test?

Did anyone get a positive result or in other words, how reliable it is?

is

>

> hi alexis,

> You can do a DNA test.

> Check this

>

https://www.metametrix.com/clinicians/store/specimen-collection-kits/gi-effects-\

kit

>

> Grace

>

[Guest guest]

They don't ship to Ireland don't know about UKLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:45:55 +0000To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: motor planning difficulty anybody? , does it mean u use humaworm once a yr now to keep parasites at bay??? Do u know if the ship to UK??Sent from my iPod We started with Flagyl, but our doctors would only do 10 days of treatment. So our problems returned. We did this 3 times until we were all extremely ill. Then I took a break, did limited diet (GFCF, low oxalate, low salicylate, avoiding foods we had tested specifically allergic or sensitive to), for almost 2 years. Eventually we did a natural combo of wormwood (to kill parasites) with milk thistle (to support liver cleansing) and breakstone (to support kidney cleansing). This was significant. It was several months later that we tried a more full spectrum parasite treatment that also supports organ cleansing. I asked on this list for recommendations and someone recommended Humaworm. I tracked it down online, and on other support groups, and found lots of great stories. So we tried it. It is a one-month protocol, one or two pills (depending on weight and age of child) in the morning on an empty stomach, one or two again at night. We came out of years of allergies, could eat more foods, my galbladder issues cleared up, we had significant gains in neurological issues (letter recognition, writing), fine and gross motor gains, sense of self gains (a new understanding of past, present and future, and her place in the world), weight gain and strength gains. . . . > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi;> > > >> > > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new> > > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the> > > > discussions going on here.> > > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is> > > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is that> > > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do> > > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?> > > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.> > > > thanks a lot in advance> > > > ana> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible to get the test without a doc?

Thanks

> >

> > hi alexis,

> > You can do a DNA test.

> > Check this

> >

https://www.metametrix.com/clinicians/store/specimen-collection-kits/gi-effects-\

kit

> >

> > Grace

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The tests don't work. Most parasites are outsied the digestive tract. If you

want to learn about parasites read books by Hulda and Simon Yu or google

presentations by Simon Yu (St Louis) and Dietrich Klinghardt (Seattle). In NYC

Leo Galland treats parasites too.

The. Motor planning issues come from the starving brain that is robbed of

nutrients by hungry parasites and that is constantly blasted with ammonia from

the parasites peeing in your system. They also eat your minerals which cause

the accumulation of heavy metals.

>

> , motor planning is also a big issue for my son. I have suspected

parasites for a long time but did'nt know parasites could specifically related

to it. Our first two stool cdsa results were negative for parasites. My son is

potty trsined and it is extremely difficult to even collect stool samples for

cdsa. So testing myself w a microscope is probably not an option. I discussed w

my dan and he actually thinks that tapeworms could be beneficial. I think that I

will have to treat parasites myself. I am waiting for alinia as my son as he has

never done well on naturals. But my question is that is there any other testing

that can be done to prove there are harmful parasites in the child's system?

> is

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Ryfe frequency therapy?Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:17 AMTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: motor planning difficulty anybody? The tests don't work. Most parasites are outsied the digestive tract. If you want to learn about parasites read books by Hulda and Simon Yu or google presentations by Simon Yu (St Louis) and Dietrich Klinghardt (Seattle). In NYC Leo Galland treats parasites too. The. Motor planning issues come from the starving brain that is robbed of nutrients by hungry parasites and that is constantly blasted with ammonia from the parasites peeing in your system. They also eat your minerals which cause the accumulation of heavy metals. > > , motor planning is also a big issue for my son. I have suspected parasites for a long time but did'nt know parasites could specifically related to it. Our first two stool cdsa results were negative for parasites. My son is potty trsined and it is extremely difficult to even collect stool samples for cdsa. So testing myself w a microscope is probably not an option. I discussed w my dan and he actually thinks that tapeworms could be beneficial. I think that I will have to treat parasites myself. I am waiting for alinia as my son as he has never done well on naturals. But my question is that is there any other testing that can be done to prove there are harmful parasites in the child's system? > is >[The entire original message is not included]=

[Guest guest]

Oh Caryn, how I wish we could have a loooong conversation. ! :)

What protozoa with the ears? What did Augmentin and Bactrium treat?

We still occasionally backslide (with the roundworm not really being affected by

the herbals so far) and I'd like to create/tailor a more specific regimen. I am

growing more open to prescription meds on some of these things now, our health

is good overall and if we can get a therapeutic dose and length of dosing, and

counter with supportive probiotics/nutrition coming out of it. . .

At the same time I am also really diving into understanding how to support the

immune system so that it doesn't allow these things- for example zinc deficiency

in the intestines favors parasites.

THANKS THANKS,

[Guest guest]

We did " Metamatrix GI Effects Stool Profile " . Yeast and mold showed, as well as

'parasite of unknown taxonomy " . As great as Metamatrix is, I am perplexed that

it didn't specifically identify the hookworms, whipworms, Giardia, and tapeworms

that we saw when we did our parasite cleanse. As I was tracking our parasite

treatment with a microscope, we also saw big yeast dumps. I am reminded that it

is important to remember that there are 10s of thousands of parasites, and only

perhaps a few thousand at best are identified, genetically coded, etc. I do

remember reading a study that detailed how 'unknown' parasites are showing up in

Autistic children.

>

> Thank you everybody for sharing your experience.I am definitely going to sit

down with my DAN soon and follow up on all of these.

> ;did you get any specific tests done for this

parasite issue?and if yes;what showed up?I do feel my son has a bit of yeast

issues as sometimes he is giggly,goofy,silly etc.lets see what the doc says.

> thanks

> ana

[Guest guest]

is,

Yes, Metamatrix below is what we did. This was our first test and it provided

the best information overall. We went to two other DAN doctors, and did other

tests. Parasites did not show up. We did multiple tests with our family doctor,

they showed up as 'will follow', which the doctor said meant something was there

but nothing conclusively identified. We finally did another Metamatrix test, and

parasites showed again. So finally, we treated.

Almost 2 years lost. . . .

On the tapeworm- I understand the concept that some helminths may keep

infection down of other, more harmful helminths, but for us, the tapeworms (we

all had one), were a significant problem. After passing them, the girls

immediately had huge gains in behavior, mood regulation, etc. I just truly

believe from our experience that the tapeworms were eating up so much of our

nutrients, and also harboring so much yeast (the tapeworm segments were

literally covered in candida), that they were clearly a problem. We still have

one remaining parasite at least, but our regressions from their recurrent life

cycles in no way touch the problems we had when we had tapeworms. I wish I could

have taken pictures of the tapeworms encrusted in candida. . . Yeast has been

very little of an issue for us now.

Also on the tapeworms, and any worms- they anchor into the intestines and so

cause permeability.

>

> hi alexis,

> You can do a DNA test.

> Check this

>

https://www.metametrix.com/clinicians/store/specimen-collection-kits/gi-effects-\

kit

>

> Grace

>

[Guest guest]

We started with Flagyl, but our doctors would only do 10 days of treatment. So

our problems returned. We did this 3 times until we were all extremely ill. Then

I took a break, did limited diet (GFCF, low oxalate, low salicylate, avoiding

foods we had tested specifically allergic or sensitive to), for almost 2 years.

Eventually we did a natural combo of wormwood (to kill parasites) with milk

thistle (to support liver cleansing) and breakstone (to support kidney

cleansing). This was significant. It was several months later that we tried a

more full spectrum parasite treatment that also supports organ cleansing. I

asked on this list for recommendations and someone recommended Humaworm. I

tracked it down online, and on other support groups, and found lots of great

stories. So we tried it. It is a one-month protocol, one or two pills (depending

on weight and age of child) in the morning on an empty stomach, one or two again

at night. We came out of years of allergies, could eat more foods, my galbladder

issues cleared up, we had significant gains in neurological issues (letter

recognition, writing), fine and gross motor gains, sense of self gains (a new

understanding of past, present and future, and her place in the world), weight

gain and strength gains. . . .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi;

> > > >

> > > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > > discussions going on here.

> > > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is

that

> > > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you

do

> > > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > > ana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, does it mean u use humaworm once a yr now to keep parasites at bay??? Do u know if the ship to UK??Sent from my iPod

We started with Flagyl, but our doctors would only do 10 days of treatment. So our problems returned. We did this 3 times until we were all extremely ill. Then I took a break, did limited diet (GFCF, low oxalate, low salicylate, avoiding foods we had tested specifically allergic or sensitive to), for almost 2 years. Eventually we did a natural combo of wormwood (to kill parasites) with milk thistle (to support liver cleansing) and breakstone (to support kidney cleansing). This was significant. It was several months later that we tried a more full spectrum parasite treatment that also supports organ cleansing. I asked on this list for recommendations and someone recommended Humaworm. I tracked it down online, and on other support groups, and found lots of great stories. So we tried it. It is a one-month protocol, one or two pills (depending on weight and age of child) in the morning on an empty stomach, one or two again at night. We came out of years of allergies, could eat more foods, my galbladder issues cleared up, we had significant gains in neurological issues (letter recognition, writing), fine and gross motor gains, sense of self gains (a new understanding of past, present and future, and her place in the world), weight gain and strength gains. . . .

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi;

> > > >

> > > > I am ana,mother to a 5yr old son diagnosed with ASD.I am a fairly new

> > > > member of this group and have been learning a lot through all the

> > > > discussions going on here.

> > > > I just had a talk with his therapist and she was saying that my son is

> > > > having difficulty in motor planning and stuff like that.My question is that

> > > > have any of you experienced this with your kids and if yes;what did you do

> > > > to help?which supplements/treatment/therapy?

> > > > Any inputs would be highly appreciated.

> > > > thanks a lot in advance

> > > > ana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We have seen blood parasites with both my kids and I'm not really sure how to tackle that.  I'm so bad with parasite regiments.  I think I don't know where to start.

[Guest guest]

You would probably like the Dr Simon Yu book. He believes in killing parasites,

chelation and restoring nutrients. He feels the 3 things together restore

health. He also talks about how viruses and bacteria are just products of

parasitic infections.

I am open to a long conversation. Feel free to email me. Caryn

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[Guest guest]

I do agree with Caryn in general, absolutely, but will add that if any test will

show parasites, the Metamatrix ones will. For us it allowed me to get some

understanding from Doctors and also to take the leap to give the supplement we

decided on, Humaworm, which has many things in it that Mia generally reacted to

historically. It helped me to truly believe in focusing in on parasites. Which

fundamentally changed our lives. But if you want to forego the $300-$500 test,

and just accept that EVERY American has parasite issues, especially those with

GI issues, and just treat based on symptoms (we used to do this 3 times a year

as a matter of course- my Grandmother and Mother in Law remind me of based on

their experience), that is a great option!!!

> >

> > , motor planning is also a big issue for my son. I have suspected

parasites for a long time but did'nt know parasites could specifically related

to it. Our first two stool cdsa results were negative for parasites. My son is

potty trsined and it is extremely difficult to even collect stool samples for

cdsa. So testing myself w a microscope is probably not an option. I discussed w

my dan and he actually thinks that tapeworms could be beneficial. I think that I

will have to treat parasites myself. I am waiting for alinia as my son as he has

never done well on naturals. But my question is that is there any other testing

that can be done to prove there are harmful parasites in the child's system?

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is what I'm about to embark on.....chelation and parasites...gonna give it the ole one -two and see.

-Tammy

Sent from my Kindle Fire

[Guest guest]

hi is,I did a comprehensive test for my son two years ago and no parasites and then another one to check for yeast that come positive (doctor's data). It was the beginning of our journey and I was doing most of the test that my DAN recommend. It was so expensive."....Now I'm going w/ my guts. I don't need test to tell me when my son has a yeast flare. So with the parasites I treat the entire family last year w/ mebendazole and no test at all. My sister come from Brazil and brought it for us. there you don't need a Rx to buy this type of medicine. She had already treated my niece w/ it and no problems. Most of pediatrician there treat all kids with it is so common and they treat every 6 months..... we did fine. So personally I don't do these stool test we don't have the money... I don't know if I helped you...grace

[Guest guest]

I don't think so unfortunately. Because of some ban on one of the ingredients I

suppose? It is a shame because it is truly a respectable and reliable product.

On thier website they list the herbal ingredients. When it is delivered it comes

with amounts of each ingredient.

We do it now every 90 days. 30 days on, 90 days off, 30 days on. It was such a

life changer, we want to hold our gains. And we are still seeing one remaining

parasite, microscopic roundworm (ascaris). I'm looking into all options to track

this down. There is a recommended natural that actually grows locally here,

wormseed. This will be my next step I hope. We are also stepping into the world

of organ cleansing using herbs and protocols, because parasites use different

organs for parts of their life cycles, or to get out of range of treatments. But

I am getting educated on prescription meds also because I feel that it is such a

significant issue to us that I should understand all options and their benefits.

>

> , does it mean u use humaworm once a yr now to keep parasites at bay???

Do u know if the ship to UK??

>

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> Sent from my iPod

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